It was the Irish. They attacked us on 9-11.

Johan Klaus on July 2, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Being Irish, I must correct. It was 7-11; at the 7-11, to be precise. /sarc

Justice Department to Allow FBI to Investigate Innocent People

and said absolutely nothing about:

Among the factors that could make someone subject of an investigation is travel to regions of the world known for terrorist activity, access to weapons or military training, along with the person’s race or ethnicity…

So now all the lefties are going nuts by claiming Bush is doing something they claimed he didn’t do enough of prior to 9/11.

The BDS in this country is going to walk us right into another 9/11.

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Bible:
Book of stories written by man. open for interpretation. cherry picked by church. possibly re-written. Top 10 key elements pretty tame, tolerant and sane.
Koran:
Transcription of Alla’s word. no room for interpretation. verbatim from day one. Pretty darn scary for a white man.

So, when the Koran says, “kill the infidel”, I take that as some serious shit…

wow. just wow. were there beheadings that i haven’t heard about in Obama’s church? I had no idea!

However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for moderates to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of unicorn hunting

You know, I think we see this elsewhere also, not just in the Muslim community, the removing of extremist. Obama for 6 years after 9/11 watched his church pastor and I would venture, some members, do some very extremist things and extremist rhetoric. Also, we seen an extremist on video yesterday, that hijacked a song, and hijack a celebration, to push her agenda. Everyone there did nothing, and even applauded her.

My point is, there are some very extreme things happening, and people are staying silent, so I dont completely blame those in the mosques, they may not agree with it, but they are not saying anything also.

I don’t know, as far as catching terrorists and preventnig attacks, it seems to have been working for the Brits.

apollyonbob on July 2, 2008 at 9:00 PM

now if only they would stop releasing them!

Most Germans were not NAZI’s, but they were silent until it was too late. Most Muslims are not radical, but they are silent. I hope that they speak out before it is too late.

Johan Klaus on July 2, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Soooo…they would be the consenters…right?

MB4 on July 2, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Exactly!!

the FBI can build “threat assessments” of individuals based on public records

Kind of like Hillary did back under the Clinton co-presidency.

The idea that the leaders should – or even have the right – to abdicate this responsibility is the reason why trust of Western politicians is at an all-time low and liberals such as yourself are not merely opposed but reviled.

aengus on July 2, 2008 at 10:31 PM

Worth repeating.

But my apologies for bringing up the tired subject of race in a topic on racial profiling.

Hahaha. Okay that is a clever and fair statement. :)

I didn’t call anyone racist. I was just making the point that a legitimate discussion on this issue would probably need to include somebody who might be potentially discriminated against by racial profiling. Like someone of Arab descent.

If you were interested in a legitimate discussion on this issue you might have said this in your first comment.

However your first comment read:

I take it you’re not Arab.

The implicit question here is how dare one suggest the implementation of racial profiling? It might hurt the feelings of Arabs.

There is no racial problem with Arabs as a race but the fact that a vast majority of Arabs embrace a violent, supremacist religion is a massive problem. Muslim Arabs can and should be identified racially for this reason.

And if this policy should cause one or more innocent Arabs to be unfairly delayed (as I, a white non-Muslim have been stopped at an airport in the interests of fairness) what then?

Cry yourself to sleep.

The idea that a Government’s duty to protecting the lives of its citizens ought to forgo its responsible because it might cause emotion distress to Muslims or Arabs is perverse and totally immoral.

The idea that the leaders should – or even have the right – to abdicate this responsibility is the reason why trust of Western politicians is at an all-time low and liberals such as yourself are not merely opposed but reviled.

Most Germans were not NAZI’s, but they were silent until it was too late. Most Muslims are not radical, but they are silent. I hope that they speak out before it is too late.

Johan Klaus on July 2, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Daily we hear reports of violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists on every inhabited continent. We try to wish it away with the myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’, telling ourselves the Islamic agenda has been’ hijacked’ by a ‘tiny minority of extremists’ and that soon the huge, silent, moderate majority of Muslims will take charge and change things. However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for moderates to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of unicorn hunting.

Moderate Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No moderate can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammed himself did. Also, the Qur’an condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call moderates are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Qur’an. Moderates will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”

Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of moderates, making them irrelevant.
- A_Plague_on_Both_Houses (JihadWatch)

Its an important distinction as the propaganda campaign – waged by Muslims and Western politicians alike – to convince us that Islam is a religion of peace is a house of cards that ought to be knocked down.

aengus on July 2, 2008 at 9:49 PM

“I am astonished by President Bush when he claims there is nothing in the Quran that justifies jihad violence in the name of Islam,” jailed Islamic scholar Abu Qatada said almost six years ago. “Is he some kind of Islamic scholar? Has he ever actually read the Quran?”

Nearly six years after September 11, nearly six years after first visiting the Islamic Center and proclaiming ‘Islam is peace’, Mr. Bush has learned nothing.
- Diana West

But my apologies for bringing up the tired subject of race in a topic on racial profiling.

crr6 on July 2, 2008 at 10:11 PM

But we were attacked by the Irish.

Maybe hes an Arab Christian who is opposed to Islamic terrorism?

crr6, your attempts to win every argument by pretending your opponents are racists don’t amount to anything. You’re the intellectual equivalent of amoeba passing in the night.

If you ever deign to offer an honest argument then we’ll all be happy to debate you.

aengus on July 2, 2008 at 9:21 PM

I didn’t call anyone racist. I was just making the point that a legitimate discussion on this issue would probably need to include somebody who might be potentially discriminated against by racial profiling. Like someone of Arab descent.
But my apologies for bringing up the tired subject of race in a topic on racial profiling.

The changes would allow FBI agents to ask open-ended questions about activities of Muslim- or Arab-Americans, or investigate them if their jobs and backgrounds match trends that analysts deem suspect.

To the logician all things should be seen exactly as they are.

I take it you’re not Arab.

crr6 on July 2, 2008 at 9:14 PM

It was the Irish. They attacked us on 9-11.

If people don’t like it, they can drive to wherever they need to go. Flying is not a right.

The bible is a pretty violent book as well.

It is a book with lots of passages that describe violence. It doesn’t say go out and kill people for all time until they surrender to your religious doctrine. Nowadays this is considered a subtle difference but really it is the difference between living in Iowa and living in Neptune – its not comparable.

Robert Spencer calls it the difference between descriptive and prescriptive violence.

In any case I do not understand opposition to violence as a concept of human existence. Violence exists, man did not invent it.

I know that argument doesn’t hold water, but claiming that every Muslim lives their directly from the Quran is equally as naive as thinking that all self-proclaimed Christians wait until marriage to have sex.

I didn’t say that every Muslim lives their life directly from the Quran.

You said:

Assuming I hadn’t been radicalized, I would be disgusted by the way terrorists have spit on my religion and used it for disgusting acts of violence.

You above statement that not every Muslims follows their religion to the letter is an implicit admission that Muslims who do engage in terrorism are not spitting on their religion but in fact observing it to the nth degree.

Its an important distinction as the propaganda campaign – waged by Muslims and Western politicians alike – to convince us that Islam is a religion of peace is a house of cards that ought to be knocked down. Muslims refrain from terror in spite of Allah’s alleged revelation to Mohammed to convert, subjugate or kill the infidels.

It’s an AP story so I’ll leave the quoting at that.

Citizens arrest!! Citizens arrest!! Pay the fine, AP.

aengus on July 2, 2008 at 9:29 PM

The bible is a pretty violent book as well. I know that argument doesn’t hold water, but claiming that every Muslim lives their directly from the Quran is equally as naive as thinking that all self-proclaimed Christians wait until marriage to have sex. I know that argument doesn’t make any sense either, but I’m just saying.

Look at the articles Michael Totten has done lately, from the Balkan region. The countries there have significant Muslim populations whose women are completely westernized and very few of them wear head scarves.

I know this doesn’t jive with what I said about being okay with profiling, but I’m sorry, I’d be more concerned with the potential loss of human life that a minor inconvenience such as being profiled is a small price to pay for a supposed insult to my religion.

lorien1973 on July 2,2008 at 8:51PM.

lorien1973:Are you mad,HRC in Canada might think your
besmirching Canadian bacon,tread carefully!

or,

The ACLU might slap with a cease and desist
order on besmirching the “pig”!(im kidding)
hahahah—–:)