Christian conservatives come to terms with the general election
posted at 5:15 pm on July 2, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Yes, Christian conservatives believe in marriage — even marriages of convenience. According to Time Magazine’s Michael Scherer, leading Christian activists have made the decision to actively support John McCain, as they eye the alternative:
At a meeting Tuesday in Denver, about 100 conservative Christian leaders from around the country agreed to unite behind the candidacy of John McCain, a politician they have long distrusted, marking the latest in a string of movement that bodes well for McCain’s general election prospects among the Republican base. ….
The group included leaders like Phyllis Schlafly, the long-time leader of Eagle Forum; Steve Strang, the publisher of Charisma magazine; Phil Burress, a prominent Ohio marriage and anti-pornography activist; David Barton, the founder of WallBuilders and Donald Hodel, a former secretary of the Interior, who previously served on the board of Focus on the Family. Jim Dobson, the head of Focus and an outspoken critic of McCain, did not attend. The McCain campaign was also not directly represented at the meeting.A second person who attended the event, but asked not to be named, said that the group was motivated principally by a desire to defeat Barack Obama. “None of these people want to meet their maker knowing that they didn’t do everything they could to keep Barack Obama from being president,” the participant said. “You’ve got these two people running for president. One of them is going to become president. That’s the perspective. That that’s the whole discussion.”
The reality of the binary political system has caught up with the evangelical base. No one expects them to love the choice in front of them, but it is encouraging that they recognize the need to make the choice. As Sherer’s source notes, either Obama or McCain will occupy the White House in 2009, and the truth is that there will be stark differences in how this country will proceed between those two possibilities.
The real question will be whether this means an enthusiastic effort from the evangelical faction, or a damning-by-faint-praise action. That may depend on McCain’s choice of VP. If he selects someone with a strong background on social issues, such as a Sarah Palin or a Mike Huckabee, it could get very enthusiastic. Mitt Romney may not swing the needle much either direction.
Can even an enthusiastic effort from activists like Phyllis Schlafly and Tony Perkins help John McCain win over disaffected evangelicals? I’d say it would be a big boost to McCain, but it also comes with its own set of ties, and reasonably so, to ensure that they have a voice in his administration. The adage goes that he who wants to partake of the banquet must first set the table, but the host has his own obligations to make sure everyone gets a seat.
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John McCain – I still can’t believe I’m going to have vote for this clown.
What a lousy situation the GOP has put itself into.
jake-the-goose on July 2, 2008 at 5:18 PM
As a Christian conservative myself, I’m still very proud to say that I will not be voting for McCain come November. My state is guaranteed to swing for the man anyway; thus, I am still writing in my man Fred!
I can’t stomach or stand Obama, nor can this country afford him… yet nor can I completely toss my conservative principles aside and vote for McVain.
Jockolantern on July 2, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Exactly my feelings. Not that my vote will matter much in Illinois but I’d really like to want the person I’m voting for to be the best possible candidate – not just the best of the whats left.
alilianstrom on July 2, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Huckabee. Yes he will bring a large chunk of the Christian right along for the ride. They’ll take the seats given up by the independents and BlueDogs.
Palin, on the otherhand, will bring a chunk of those same Christian groups, some of the ladies, and keep the independents and BlueDogs in the pack.
Limerick on July 2, 2008 at 5:24 PM
As a vet I cannot stomach how the libs are savaging McCain’s military service, so I will vote for him with that in mind. He is not my first choice but this isn’t turning out to be a great year anywhere in politics so I will take what I can get.
Bishop on July 2, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Ed, are your trying to start a fight?
upinak on July 2, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Lim, as this state has a large evangelical (freak show) following. I don’t think I could stomach another Huck-a-wannabe VP revolution.
upinak on July 2, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Second look at Huckabee!
lorien1973 on July 2, 2008 at 5:31 PM
In my post I list the Huckabee support as a washout. It giveth and it taketh away.
Limerick on July 2, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Picking Huckabee is John McCain’s surest way to lose my vote. And I’m willing to put up with a lot to defeat Obama.
phronesis on July 2, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Palin for veep!
Seriously. Huck or Mitt on the ticket might make me give up politics altogether, and go to the happy place where the “11% had no opinion” ignoramuses reside.
salmonczar on July 2, 2008 at 5:34 PM
I guess that all depends on what the meaning of sex is and what the meaning of is, is and what the meaning of stark is.
MB4 on July 2, 2008 at 5:36 PM
I don’t know what’s so different about this election… I’ve always had to choose between two candidates I don’t particularly care for. In every situation, I vote for what I feel is the lesser of two evils. I don’t think any candidate that I could wholeheartedly, unreservedly support could ever rise to national prominence, let alone be elected president. So I do what I always do… weigh my options, and make my choices. Sometimes I pick a winner, and sometimes I’m not so lucky, but there has not yet been a time that I’ve wished to change my vote. (OK, maybe once… in 2000, I voted for Larry Browne, or Harry Browne, or whoever the Libertarian candidate was… in retrospect, I wish I had cast my vote for Bush.)
TSUGambler on July 2, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Obama will probably replace three supreme court justices
bnelson44 on July 2, 2008 at 5:38 PM
And it starts….
upinak on July 2, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Well if you think that McCain is a clown and yet you are still going to vote for him anyway, then I would say the it is you and not itself that the GOP has put into a lousy situation.
MB4 on July 2, 2008 at 5:39 PM
McCain no longer needs Huckabee to win over the Christian Right; they’re now in his camp. Why would he need Huckabee?
Rather, this might indicate that Romney is now a more palatable VP choice, since more evangelical leaders are on board McCain’s train.
There are way more of us who want to see a strong economic choice in VP, or a VP who carries conservative street cred and smart demographic. Romney or Palin. The only two choices, in my opinion.
To borrow from 1992, it’s still the economy, stupid.
beatcanvas on July 2, 2008 at 5:39 PM
All we can do is wait and see.
upinak on July 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Just for the record, as an evangelical, those names and organizations mean very little to me in terms of my own personal involvement. I have never really thought of the republican base as being organized and mobilized in the same fashion as the democrat base. So we’ll see how far this goes, but I don’t think it will go that far. Plus, in two days McCain will do or say something that pisses everyone off again, and will cancel this out anyways.
Weight of Glory on July 2, 2008 at 5:46 PM
No on Huck – emphatic NO. If Huck is the VP pick, McCain will lose most independents and even put Utah into play thanks to Huck’s thinly-veiled anti-Mormon bigotry on display in the primaries. McCain would get hoisted on his own retard for that pick, and deservedly so.
Now the MILF with glasses on the other hand …
thirteen28 on July 2, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Lord, I hope it isn’t Huckabee. I’m an evangelical, but I’m not a idiot. Populism is a Democrat/liberal position, not a conservative one. Wesley Clark has me almost convinced to vote for McCain, though here in CA, any vote against a Demo is a protest vote. I may as well vote for Ronald Reagan, for Heaven’s sake.
But Sarah Palin? To quote Craig Ferguson, “Man, that’s sexy!” I just hope that she and Bobby Jindal can come to prominence together.
sondiehl on July 2, 2008 at 5:47 PM
A vote for anyone other than McCain is a vote for Obama. All I have to do is see the picture of Bill Ayers standing on the flag, saying “guilty as hell, free as a bird” and I have no problem voting for McCain. I had not planned to support him financially, but it seems it must be done. The thought of an Obama presidency is revolting. Obama wants to be the first to smoke crack in the White House.
Zelsdorf Ragshaft on July 2, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Please note, I am not the one who referred to Palin as a MILF.
sondiehl on July 2, 2008 at 5:48 PM
I understand your sentiments and admire your conviction, however as a former Fred supporter myself I have to say that while I would of preferred to have seen Fred get the nomination it was not to be, and since this is the reality of the situation I must also face the reality that for the sake of our country’s future Obama must not be elected POTUS, therefore I will be voting for McCain as the alternative (Obama) as POTUS in the current world climate (GWOT, etc.) is much to risky to our nations future.
So again while I respect your convictions and understand your frustration that Fred was not nominated I would hope you would reconsider not voting as the outcome in this upcoming election is IMHO one of the most important elections in our nations history.
Just my 2-cents…
Liberty or Death on July 2, 2008 at 5:48 PM
PA 21
OH 20
VA 13
IN 11
MO 11
CO 09
Obama 243 (-27) current InTrade 65
McCain 210 (-60) current InTrade 30
So with those states in mind which is bigger, the Christian Right or the Independent blocks?
McCain has a tough road to pull 60 out of that group of 85.
Limerick on July 2, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Obama wants to expand the funds for faith based initiatives. I think they were a stupid idea to begin with.
Obama will use his hijack faith based initiatives to gobble up the social capital and community report of faith groups while watering down their witness. All you got to do is believe in Obama you’ll get loaded with cash.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/07/obama_v_bush_on_faithbased_ini.asp
ninjapirate on July 2, 2008 at 5:53 PM
You aren’t going to vote because Fred isn’t running? And to top it off, you aren’t going to vote because you Think Obama equals McCain… am I right?
If you met Fred and told him that, I bet he would look at you quizically and say something to the point of “You are an Idiot!” but with a little more subtle meaning then myself.
I am also a Fred-Head and with that said, if you don’t vote it shows what a complete waste you are to begin with. Hold your damn nose and vote FFS! Or just stay out of Politics all together!
upinak on July 2, 2008 at 5:53 PM
The despicable attacks on McCain’s service record and his readyness to be Commander in Chief solidified my willingness to not only vote AGAINST Obama but now to vote FOR McCain. I am still very angry at those deliberate, baseless attacks on this man, when those doing the attacking are supporting the most unqualified empty suit waffler this country has ever had as a major party nominee for the oval office. AUGH, I am still pissed off about that. How dumb to they think we are?
If McCain picks Governor Palin as his veep, I will even DONATE to his campaign and go out and recruit some voters for him. I am in a swing state (Michigan), and I think it just could go red this year, first time since Reagan.
karenhasfreedom on July 2, 2008 at 5:55 PM
I live in Pennsylvania. I have no choice but to vote for McCain. Not that I care what James Dobson has to say anyway.
rockmom on July 2, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Politics in a representative democracy is the art of the possible. And what’s possible ebbs and flows, becomes more or less, becomes Reagan or McCain. If you’re looking for the more satisfying art of my-way-or-the-highway, that’s a different political system altogether.
RBMN on July 2, 2008 at 5:56 PM
If it(MI) does I’ll work my tail off to help get you reimbursed!
Limerick on July 2, 2008 at 5:56 PM
The main value of these endorsements is that it denies the MSM and Democrats something they can use to undermine McCain. As long as these folks stayed on the fence the “McCain fails to win over evangelicals” meme was going to continue. At least we can put out that can of trash.
rockmom on July 2, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Obama’s expansion of the faith based initiatives will come with strings. He will only send money into the inner cities, AND stipulate that the faith entities have to hire anyone, not just people who are the same faith. So it could come to pass that IF this empty suit somehow finds his way into the oval office, church’s could be forced to hire people who are everything that their church’s beliefs are opposed to. So Obama is very calculating in this move that he made in this area this week. He is such a despicable empty suit.
karenhasfreedom on July 2, 2008 at 6:01 PM
With those states in mind, how about John Kasich, former Congressman from Ohio and raised in PA? He’s also well-spoken, conservative, pro-life, looks young, and doesn’t have the baggage that some other Ohio Republicans have. Indiana and Missouri shouldn’t be a problem, and Virginia has lots of military folks who would turn out for McCain unless Obama picked Webb as his running mate.
As for Colorado, McCain needs to push opening up the Rockies for shale-oil development (800 billion barrels+), which would bring huge numbers of blue-collar jobs to Colorado. If McCain can hold VA, and Kasich can pull in either OH or PA, McCain can win.
By the way, Limerick, is Michigan among Obama’s 243 or McCain’s 210?
Steve Z on July 2, 2008 at 6:07 PM
This is why I think Michigan is in play. Although this economy has been ravaged by mis-management and this state’s inability to face the reality of the global economy (as opposed to sucking from the tits of the Big 3 auto makers financials), the demographics could possibly cause a swing this election cycle.
Michiganders are not bitter and do not cling to their religion, so this remark by the empty suit offended working blue collar democrats. Also, Hillary’s supporters are VERY ANGRY the DNC stole delegates from her and created a phantom split in the delegate count that was not even reflected in the election results. Put those 2 issues and combine them with Obama’s flip flops on guns, gay marriage, etc, I just don’t see him getting the lower income white voters and a decent portion of the tradition soccor mom liberal voters. I think this state just could be in play this time. And this state has more Hispanics than before and they don’t like Obama.
Put that together with the fact that the city of Detroit has lost population in droves, the outter regions of the state could overcome the solid democratic vote that usually comes out of Wayne Country where there used to be 3 million democratic voters. And most of the UAW family members I have are NOT going to vote for Obama, yet they voted for the Dem ticket in the last 4 election cycles.
karenhasfreedom on July 2, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Are you sure you read my post? I said I supported Fred and wanted him to get the nomination, but that didn’t happen so I WILL vote for McCain despite his shortcomings as there is no way I would vote for Obama-the-empty-suit at this critical junction in our nations history.
Please read and comprehend all of my post before insinuating Fred would call me an idiot…regards.
Liberty or Death on July 2, 2008 at 6:11 PM
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That makes about 4 million of us……
Think_b4_speaking on July 2, 2008 at 6:13 PM
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The first four on that list > 60, and I am almost ready to put money on those in McCain’s column.
Think_b4_speaking on July 2, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Weird, my last post just never came up. I was trying to explain why I think Michigan is in play. I think Obama’s comment on bitterly clinging to guns and religon pissed off a lot of the working class folks who traditionally are part of the Democratic base in this state. Obama’s flip flop on gun control will hurt him here, we have a lot of hunters in Michigan. A lot of Hillary’s supporters are still FURIOUS at how the DNC made up their delegate split that in no way reflected the vote here in the primary. The lower income working class white people are not supporting Obama. Detroit has lost a huge amount of their population and they used to dominate the election outcomes just based on the sheer size of the population of Wayne County. My UAW family members are not voting democrat this election cycle for the first time in the last 4 presidential elections. There are a lot of things going on here that could put this state in play, surprisingly. McCain has been running a really good ad here that I think is specially written for Michigan voters.
karenhasfreedom on July 2, 2008 at 6:16 PM
upinak, again please re-read my post…we can’t afford your steaming head to melt more of the polar ice caps…hehe!
Liberty or Death on July 2, 2008 at 6:16 PM
I did re-read your post. My apologies.
I am going to blame it on the sun… which we are finally getting, even if it isn’t the highest of Temps.
upinak on July 2, 2008 at 6:23 PM
I apologized! GEEEEZ. I can barely read the computer screen… it is all blue.
Up here we are like Moles in the sun. DA LIGHT DA LIGHT, I AM BLIND!
upinak on July 2, 2008 at 6:26 PM
No problem my Alaskan friend, you Alaskan’s aren’t used to how the sun can bake your brain (especially after a few beers) like us Arizonan’s do…have a great 4th upinak!
Liberty or Death on July 2, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Meh…I’m still not pulling the lever for either guy in November. I’ll vote the down-ticket stuff, but I’ll abstain otherwise.
Jimmie on July 2, 2008 at 6:34 PM
Try an Alaskan Amber. I have a feeling you will fall in love with it.
As for the 4th, I am doing the old Hatcher Pass road. Very cool, very OLD road via Hatchers Pass (an old Gold mine) and driving (ok 4xing) over the Talkeetna Mountain Range! Watching the Fireworks from 5K feet! And go swimming at Summit Lake!
Hope you have an awesome one with your family!
upinak on July 2, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Try an Alaskan Amber. I have a feeling you will fall in love with it.
Funny you should mention Alaskan Amber, it’s one of my favs!
Sounds like a good time…if I was there I’d get some fishing in too! Talk about heaven, celebrating our nations independancebeing with the family in the cool mountains, watching fireworks from 5k, drinking an ice cold Alaskan Amber, and hauling in some big fish…it doesn’t get much better than that!
Liberty or Death on July 2, 2008 at 6:42 PM
People say that about every presidental election. Just four years ago getting Bush elected over Kerry was the most important thing in our nations history. Funny how that works.
flenser on July 2, 2008 at 6:47 PM
I am going with the former Marine BF, aka Teddy Bear! No fish at the top of the mountain pass… BUT Sheep Creek has a good run of King salmon we will be going to on Saturday.
Yep good times for sure. And swimming in a 39 degree lake is an unusual experience!
upinak on July 2, 2008 at 6:51 PM
That’s what I’m talkin’ about. Eff it; McCain.
Jaibones on July 2, 2008 at 6:54 PM
Please give Teddy Bear my best and thank him for his service for me!
brrrr…39 degrees..talk about ‘shrinkage!’
Liberty or Death on July 2, 2008 at 6:54 PM
I hear you, but I wasn’t one of those saying that in 2004, but I am saying it now because (again IMHO) this next election IS the most important election in our nations history.
Liberty or Death on July 2, 2008 at 6:57 PM
well I’m a ‘trailing’ christian, non-activist…and I’m not going to vote for McObama for any reason.
I’ll sit this one out, or vote constitution party.
right4life on July 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM
These are trying times, this election is very important, ther is a war on dontcha know.
Squid Shark on July 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM
He may not be your political choice, but buddy this guy is no clown and you need to learn the difference.
rplat on July 2, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Ahhh, its fun to throw away your vote, it is alot like sex. It feels great when you are doing it, but when you wake up the next morning you wonder why…
Squid Shark on July 2, 2008 at 7:00 PM
I would say that the anti-mccain feild looked rather clownish in Feb.
Squid Shark on July 2, 2008 at 7:01 PM
You will vote for McCain though, for the very same reason you just cited. Unfortunately, if we want to keep Obama out, we really have no choice.
However, there is a side of me who wants him to win. I view it like the US is similar to an alcoholic. We has to hit rock bottom before we can see what we has done to ourselves before we can turn it around.
I just don’t have the guts to let it happen that way.
Pcoop on July 2, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Per Red State Update, this year it’s: F’ It! McCain
Mibrilane on July 2, 2008 at 7:04 PM
sorry, I’m not going to throw my principles away to vote for McObama.
honestly I’d rather have Obama win, and be stabbed in the front, than captain queeg, and stabbed in the back.
and if mccain wins, conservatism will be dead for a generation or more. the republicans have decided to become the moderate party, no thanks. they think I have no where else to go. keep dreaming.
right4life on July 2, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Free advice to any whiners about Sen. McCain at this point: Just shut up, salute sharply and smile sweetly when you salute ma’ams and sirs.
Anybody want the far-leftist flip-flopper Obama in charge now after the past 2 weeks?
HotAirJosef on July 2, 2008 at 7:05 PM
damn, just heard that 12 year old girl was found dead…lots of sick s*bs in this country…
right4life on July 2, 2008 at 7:05 PM
If I keep getting this sick feeling in my stomach over immigration…I will do what you are doing…No way McCain can take California so I will use a protest vote to give John and the GOP a reality check of their own.
RedLizard64 on July 2, 2008 at 7:08 PM
Teddy Bear is up at his cabin, finishing the damn thing off I hope. I certainly will let him know you said that.
As for the rest. Please vote. Hold that nose! Check, click, fill in, and swallow deeply as it is a hard pill. But think about it this way….
1. Obama could be taking half your paycheck and you wouldn’t have a say so. And it won’t even be for Health Care.
2. We could be sitting on the verge of another jihad attack here in the U.S. and with what Obama is doing, no one can blame Bush or anyone else if Obama gets what he wants. And that would be to stop everything that was put in place to fight Terrorism here.
I think of McCain as a stepping stone to hopefully something better.
upinak on July 2, 2008 at 7:08 PM
John McCain gave up a lot for this country. It really saddens me to see people who call themselves conservatives treating the man with such disrepect. Even if you do not want to vote for him, he is not a traitor or a clown or a cranky old bastard or any of the other juvenile and stupid names pretend Republicans call him.
I guess there really is not a lot of difference between far left and far right after all. Two sides to the same coin.
Add to that the fact that the loudest crybabies can not even manage to get anyone they do like elected. They just bitch and yammer about everyone. If they weren’t attacking McCain my guess is they would be going after whoever did get the nomination.
Terrye on July 2, 2008 at 7:10 PM
you know I’ve gotten to the point that if it happens in a blue area, who cares?
they don’t want us at war, they’ve been stabbing our troops in the back for the last 7 years, so if they get their way, then let them get the results of their beliefs/actions.
right4life on July 2, 2008 at 7:11 PM
This is good news. I have little in common with the evangelical Christians, but I agree that Sen. Obama is an unsuitable presidential candidate. He seems like a nice guy, but his policies are wrong-headed and he’s not nearly ready for the responsibilities of being President. Sen. McCain has some policies that worry me (comprehensive immigration, global warming stuff, etc.), but the sort of judges he would pick have to be better than those of Sen. Obama. Then there’s the whole War on Islamofascism….
Jill1066 on July 2, 2008 at 7:15 PM
What a lousy situation the GOP has put itself into.
jake-the-goose on July 2, 2008 at 5:18 PM
That about sums up the Christian backbone. You don’t like something yet you do it anyway lest you face the fires of Hell…kind of like getting up early on Sunday for church. Don’t worry you goofy hypo-christians, when McShame doesn’t win (or if you vote for O) you can always play the “plesae forgive my sins” card with jeebus and all will be forgiven. A C-note in the collection plate won’t hurt either.
DanKenton on July 2, 2008 at 7:15 PM
You must not be old enough to have voted for Ronald Reagan. :)
Kowboy on July 2, 2008 at 7:18 PM
I did…and threw up.
right2bright on July 2, 2008 at 7:18 PM
I’m a Christian…read my post big boy…not all Christians are mamby-pamby.., some of us say what we mean and mean what we say..our word is our bond, and we weren’t afraid to join the military “in defense of our country”.
RedLizard64 on July 2, 2008 at 7:20 PM
Umm right, I happen to be one of those who decided to go back into the Military. I got out for being stabbed in the back under the Clinton regimee. Resigning and rejoining back in march and going litterally back in Sept for training then off to god knows where, I would rather not chance the Obam-n-ator-wannabe anywhere near the Military or the National as a whole.
I can think of many things that would happen under Obama, unlike McCain.
upinak on July 2, 2008 at 7:21 PM
Palin is a fine governor, but she cannot help McCain where he desperately needs the most help – with the economy and with a ground organization. If McCain has half a brain, the winner in the veep race will be Mitt. If anyone is ready to serve on day one, it’s Mitt Romney.
Buy Danish on July 2, 2008 at 7:25 PM
Sounds like a great time upinak, please hoist a beer and drink a toast to ou great nation!
Don’t worry, I will be voting for McCain and it won’t require holding my nose because I understand that a non-vote is a vote for Obama and while McCain isn’t my first choice Obama would be my last choice!
In other words I’d need more than a clothes pin on my nose to vote for Obama, I’d need a lobotomy…so if for some reason you hear a rumor that I voted for Obama you can be assured that if the rumor is true you’ll find me staring blankly at a wall and drooling on myself in some mental institution!
Cheers!
Liberty or Death on July 2, 2008 at 7:26 PM
I don’t blame you. given the way democrats stab the military in the back, and that half the country doesn’t appreciate what the military does, I don’t see why anyone would want to join.
its really sad, its gotten to this point.
I’m afraid mccain would betray the military too….he’s betrayed conservatives at every turn…he’s in it for mccain.
right4life on July 2, 2008 at 7:26 PM
Huckabee would be a mistake. Considering how the word “theocracy” has been thrown at President Bush, it will only be worse with the Huckster as a running mate and more effective because of the way he ran his campaign.
aikidoka on July 2, 2008 at 7:28 PM
What a foolish post. Not because you diss Christians, that comes with the territory, but because if the Christians take a firm stand you would say they “don’t bend”, they are set in their ways, they won’t compromise, but when a group does then they don’t have a back-bone.
I notice you take pot shots, but you are hidden behind a keyboard in your aunt’s basement…so that make you, a “virtual brave soldier of truth”?
And what is with the “fires of Hell”? You are doing way to much comic book reading, you have got to expand your vocab.
And I always notice, when a person first starts out condemning Christians, they can never quite say or write the word Jesus. You know that is biblical, did you know that?
right2bright on July 2, 2008 at 7:30 PM
right4life:
Your MDS is truly astounding, almost pathological. You do not have to vote for the man, but considering what he sacrificed for his country he should not have to endure a lot of character assassination from fanatics on the left and right.
Saying that McCain would betray the military is purely isane. Crazy. With friends like you the GOP does not need enemies. And considering the fact that you and your MDS buddies can not come up with an alternative people can stomach maybe you should spend more time wondering what you are doing wrong, rather than obsessively launching attacks against the nominee. It is getting tiresome and weird.
Terrye on July 2, 2008 at 7:35 PM
What a surprise, some of the whiners who can’t have it totally their way, gives it to Obama.
Let me see, when was the last protest vote, awww yes, Clinton with Perot helping…that worked.
Good thinking guys, we will let the Dems control congress and the Oval office for 8 years, how many justices 2 or 3?
right2bright on July 2, 2008 at 7:36 PM
I wouldn’t be suprised if you were a fan of the (ir)rational response squad.
Even more proof would be that you would mistake that for a compliment.
aikidoka on July 2, 2008 at 7:36 PM
he’s also restricted our speech, and is for open borders.
newsflash: he is a politician. and he’s thrown conservatives under the bus whenever he’s felt the need, why wouldn’t he do the same to the military?
right4life on July 2, 2008 at 7:38 PM
right, when has he “restricted” our freedom of speech?
upinak on July 2, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Cancel your Internet subscription.
Darth Executor on July 2, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Not if the dems get a veto-proof majority.
Darth Executor on July 2, 2008 at 7:55 PM
mccain feingold..haven’t you heard of it????
right4life on July 2, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Hey ED you forgot Huck wants BO to be killed. At the NRA convention he made a comment about someone was shooting at BO.
BroncosRock on July 2, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Right……..and I don’t. McCain’s not Obama. That’s good enough for me.
BacaDog on July 2, 2008 at 9:31 PM
I WILL NEVER SUPPORT MCCAIN, REGARDLESS OF THE CONSEQUENCES.
There is no viable candidate on the ticket this election cycle, and I’m not voting for the lesser of two evils.
madmonkphotog on July 2, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Well if a “horny” fella like you wont vote for him, he must be outta luck.
Squid Shark on July 2, 2008 at 10:14 PM
I resent being called a pretend Republican. I never pretended to be a Republican. I’m a conservative. As to the name calling, ever heard of the 1st Amendment? And Backdoor John did start it when he called pro border enforcement folks ‘bigots’. Free speech includes not only your mindless butt kissing Terrye but also the criticisms people have about the GOP’s suckwad candidate. Get used to it.
It must be even more fun to throw away all your principles except for ‘Win at any cost,’ since so many of you McCainiacs are doing it. You mock those who won’t vote for McCain; any number of principled reasons have been given. Those of us not voting for McCain understand the risks of Obama winning. Speaking for myself, I’m furious that the GOP and people like you have saddled us with this worthless candidate. It grates on me that having stuck us with him, your lot now rides around like you’ve got some kind of moral imperative. We must support McCain or the world will end. Like it or not, the Dems are going to win an election sooner or later. As bad as it may be, it’s a fact of life. And when they do win, all we will have are our principles and beliefs. They will pass their horrible policies, and we will have to endure until the next election. Principles are what you have when everything else gets taken away. If you lose everything, do you become a thief, or do you just bust your a** until you get your life back? Laugh if you want, bozo, but I won’t give mine up for anyone. McCain went out of his way to p*ss on issues important to me for the last 8 years. His underhanded tactics with the amnesty bill caused me to suspend all contributions to the GOP until him and Lindsey Graham left office. I never imagined at that time he would get the nomination. Needless to say, after all that, I wouldn’t vote for him if you set my head on fire.
As I said in another thread, if the GOP was truly concerned about the future of this country, they would have run a better candidate. Every time I hear something about McCain, it’s another bit about immigration reform, or he’s pandering to yet another latino group. The only thing he seems to care about is amnesty, which a large number of people oppose. The issue of concern to a large number of people, gas prices, is being completely ignored by Backdoor John, beyond the ‘Oh, I guess the states could drill or something if they feel like it.’ I find it hard to believe he’s not informed on public sentiment regarding these issues, so the only thing I can assume is he doesn’t give a f***. The only thing about McCain that cheers me up is the distinct possibility he will choose Huckabee as his VP. Whether Huckabee is truly a moron, or merely contrives to sound like one, he will rival old Baghad Bob for riveting my attention as to what horribly stupid thing will come out of his mouth next.
austinnelly on July 3, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Don’t be a fool. McCain may be a goofy choice for the Republicans but BHO will just usher in untold misery for Americans and for the rest of the world. There’s going to be a lot more Americans in body bags if BHO takes office. Consider your vote a vote AGAINST BHO.
Mojave Mark on July 3, 2008 at 2:03 AM
You should vote FOR John McCain because he has been the most qualified of all the candidates to be Commander in Chief, he will be in the position of nominating two or three Supreme Court justices and has promised for years to nominate strict constructionists, he was right about the Iraq War and thus showed his knowledge of military matters and he is a pro-life fiscal conservative (he can rightly be called a fiscal hawk).
In contrast, Obama is not qualified to be Commander in Chief, will nominate and with a Democrat Senate have appointed left wing judges, still talks about withdrawal from Iraq, has no knowledge of military matters, is a big Government spender and is pro-abortion.
Phil Byler on July 3, 2008 at 7:30 AM
Being a New Yorker I can if I choose just sit this one out since the state is in the tank for the Marxist, however I am going to be responsible and choose the best man who is running which is McCain although my issues with him are very long. Sometimes you have to make a choice and the thought of an Obama/Soros presidency is chilling.
Hilts on July 3, 2008 at 8:11 AM
Don’t be a fool and a child. If you get Obama you will have 8 years of him and the damage to this country both home and abroad will be immense.
Hilts on July 3, 2008 at 8:13 AM
Well, this Christian Conservative is having a very, very hard time “coming to terms with the general election”. Right or wrong, I supported Bush; none of the choices before these primaries made me a bit happy. This is the worst election of my lifetime.
Mrs. Happy Housewife on July 3, 2008 at 8:33 AM
Right now, I’m teetering on the fence in regards to voting for McVain (I’m most certainly not voting for The Messiah) or just staying home on election day. If McVain chooses Hickabee or some other evangelical hypocrite, he will have effectively tossed away my vote.
Vic on July 3, 2008 at 8:57 AM
And in so doing they have put us in the same situation.
abcurtis on July 3, 2008 at 9:30 AM
Let’s take a look at this. None of us here like McCain – that’s a given. That’s because we dont know what he will do. He MIGHT appoint conservative judges, he MIGHT secure the border, he MIGHT win the GWOT, he MIGHT do a lot of other things. On the other hand, he MIGHT not do any of those things.
However, we know what Obama WILL do – He WILL appoint liberal judges, he WILL not control the border, he WILL raise taxes, he WILL surrender the GWOT to the bad guys, he WILL expand government control over our lives. This is of course with the backing of a democrat majority in Congress. We know the repubs wont do anything to stop it.
So based on what McCain MIGHT do as opposed to what Obama WILL do, I have to go for McCain. Dont like it, but that’s how it is.
abcurtis on July 3, 2008 at 9:36 AM
This Christian Conservative is with you Mrs HH.
abcurtis on July 3, 2008 at 9:38 AM
This Jewish conservative is as well. I feel your pain.
Hilts on July 3, 2008 at 9:44 AM
abcurtis you put it quite correctly and succinctly. MCain might have some Reagan in him or he might have some Nixon/Lyndon Johnson in him. Obama has McGovern in him.
Hilts on July 3, 2008 at 9:47 AM
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