agreed–though we don’t know what causes sexual orientation.

dedalus on July 3, 2008 at 1:08 PM

It doesn’t matter what causes it. What matters is behavior. We cannot be forced to accept relationships.

Rose on July 3, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Rose on July 3, 2008 at 12:44 PM

agreed–though we don’t know what causes sexual orientation.
agreed.

He does make the allowance for divorce in the case of sexual infidelity. Paul gave a further allowance in the situation where an unbelieving spouse chooses to leave a believing one. He said that the believing spouse if called to peace in such a situation and so is not bound to the unbelieving spouse. However if the unbelieving spouse chooses to stay divorce is not allowed.

Rose on July 2, 2008 at 11:51 PM

Paul and Jesus are strongly opposed to remarriage. I think Paul instructs men not to divorce their wives, though wives might leave their husbands (1 Corinthians). In that letter he also instructs believers to stay with non-believers if the non-believer chooses not to leave.

Seems clear that the marriage laws in the U.S. are substantially out of line with the spoken words of Jesus and the written words of Saint Paul.

Isn’t that what I am saying? I don’t see how you can see promiscuity of any kind being accepted by Jesus just because he didn’t specifically mention any particular type.
Rose on July 2, 2008 at 11:26 PM

OK. I’m not making a case that the NT permits homosexuality. I’m making a case that it forbids 2nd marriages, following divorce. Jesus not only answered the Pharisees but emphasized the point later to his apostles.

That’s fine, but the schools are saying that these children should only be taught one point of view and that is that homosexuality is ok. That is not the job of the school. They need to stay out of it.

Rose on July 2, 2008 at 11:28 PM

I agree.

People should not be forced to accept that which they find unacceptable. We should be allowed to form our own opinions based on religion or science or whatever without the government saying we don’t have the right to. Freedom of association without the government interfering. Freedom to teach our children that certain behavior is inappropriate. The new education law in CA denies us those freedoms.

Rose on July 2, 2008 at 10:06 PM

You have a right to teach your children that homosexuality is wrong in the same way that you can teach them that gambling, drinking alcohol, eating meat, smoking, having an abortion, or working on Sunday is wrong. They’d need to recognize that some tax-paying citizens don’t share the same point of view.

The fact that Paul who was the apostle to the Gentiles confirmed the Jewish view of sexual behavior strongly suggests that there was no consensus among the apostles who lived with Jesus that those views were open to discussion.

Rose on July 2, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Paul, like Jesus, was more restrictive about divorce than the law of Moses. Certainly, remarriage or sex after divorce was wrong. Wouldn’t Jesus’s word on divorce supercede whatever the other’s said?

On to important things. The reason that Christ did not speak on homosexuals is two-fold. One is that there were no homosexuals – it was a death penalty offense (thus no recidivism). Two is that nobody asked him what he thought about it (as far as we know).

Keep in mind two points. One – there is no such thing as a homosexual there is only a person who performs homosexual acts. Two – there is no such thing as gay marriage because marriage is a design that is self-contained and capable of unassisted reproduction of its kind (called a family).

And one last point is that none of this depends on religion or spiritual truth – it is readily observable with the five physical senses.

Homosexual behavior is both deviant and a manifestation of arrested maturity being acted out sexually.

Mary Magdalen was never referred to in the New Testament as a prostitute. Jesus cast seven demons out of her but it doesn’t
say what kind they were.

Rose on July 2, 2008 at 1:27 AM

Oh my. Somebody actually reading the Book.

How are we going to have fun if you do that? :)

He’s a lying, smooth, snake oil salesman who will say or do anything to get into the White House. Anything. To anyone, anytime, anywhere, any way. After he gets in…all bets are off. He’ll rule us with an iron fist and his ignorant, know nothing puppet Congress will grant him his every wish. We are so screwed.

UnEasyRider on July 2, 2008 at 6:53 PM

Agree with everything, but the iron fist, I think he will have a liberal fist up his you know what, and he will do their bidding.

How many flip-flops can he get a free pass on? He flipped on FISA, the second amendment, gay marriage, Iran, Iraq, welfare reform, NAFTA, and the list goes on.
Obama has a list of flip-flops that would destroy most candidates. The media would be all…