Kos: I’m holding off on donating to Obama, even though it doesn’t matter what I do

posted at 6:40 pm on July 1, 2008 by Allahpundit

Via LGF. True enough — it doesn’t matter what he does, at least at the national level. If only he sincerely realized that instead of issuing spiteful, unintentionally comic, thinly veiled calls to action like this.

[T]here is a line between “moving to the center” and stabbing your allies in the back out of fear of being criticized. And, of late, he’s been doing a lot of unecessary [sic] stabbing, betraying his claims of being a new kind of politician. Not that I ever bought it, but Obama is now clearly not looking much different than every other Democratic politician who has ever turned his or her back on the base in order to prove centrist bona fides. That’s not an indictment, just an observation.

Now I know there’s a contingent around here that things Obama can do no wrong, and he must never be criticized, and if you do, well f*** you!…

Ultimately, he’s currently saying that he doesn’t need people like me to win this thing, and he’s right. He doesn’t. If they’ve got polling or whatnot that says that this is his best path to victory, so much the better. I want him to win big. But when the Obama campaign makes those calculations, they have to realize that they’re going to necessarily lose some intensity of support. It’s not all upside. And for me, that is reflected in a lack of interest in making that contribution.

That’s it. No need to freak out. It is what it is. Others will happily pick up the slack. We’re headed toward a massive Democratic wave, and what I decide to do with my money means next to nothing, no matter how much hyperventilating may happen on this site’s comments and diaries about it all.

This at least has the virtue of being clear-eyed about the realpolitik involved, however dour it might be in tone. Other, more Kmiec-esque Obama acolytes can’t shrug off the betrayal of their principles that easily, and thus have to perform mental gymnastics to reconcile their support for him with their own overweening sanctimony. See Karl’s post today for a particularly egregious, yet predictable, example of that. Mark my words, the final chapter of Sullivan’s long journey left from Bush apologist to Obama apologist is going to end with him lyrically defending the Messiah’s decision next year to commit to some sort of sustained troop presence in Iraq, thus completing the circle. Hitchens should use it as fodder for a novel. He’s already got the first line written.


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Gee, Kos sounds a lot like the kind of anti-McCain true conservatives we keep hearing from on righty blogs.

Big S on July 1, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Obama is selling out these imbeciles at about an issue a day now. By November, Obama is going to be soiling blue dresses.

Chuck Schick on July 1, 2008 at 6:45 PM

it doesn’t matter what he does

You got that right, it doesn’t matter what he says or does, or how much vitriol the KO’s kids spew because they are nothing more than misguided moonbats the lot of them!

Hopefully reason and sanity will prevail in the next election and perhaps the KO’s kids will realize once and for all how truly irrelevant they are!

Liberty or Death on July 1, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Gee, Kos sounds a lot like the kind of anti-McCain true conservatives we keep hearing from on righty blogs.

Big S on July 1, 2008 at 6:44 PM

So true. Change a few words and it is practically a typical comment at HotAir–hell, even one I would write.

Guess that means if Obama makes this move right, there really won’t be any reason to choose McCain over him.

What’s a conservative to do then?

JiangxiDad on July 1, 2008 at 6:49 PM

/sarc

JiangxiDad on July 1, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Gee, Kos sounds a lot like the kind of anti-McCain true conservatives we keep hearing from on righty blogs.

Big S on July 1, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Except that Obama is a hardcore leftist moving to the center a little bit, McCain is basically a centrist, he never had our heartfelt support to begin with, nice try at building an equivocation, but you FAIL

doubleplusundead on July 1, 2008 at 6:55 PM

Gee, Kos sounds a lot like the kind of anti-McCain true conservatives we keep hearing from on righty blogs.

Except that Kos was on-board the Obama Bus until he let them down. The anti-McCain conservatives, such as myself, were never on-board the Straight Talk Express.

But keep sneering at the people wise enough to not trust a word McCain says. We’re obviously the idiots…

HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 6:57 PM

By November, Obama is going to be soiling blue dresses.

Chuck Schick on July 1, 2008 at 6:45 PM

Heh, I hope he doesn’t forget to bring cigars…

Liberty or Death on July 1, 2008 at 6:58 PM

JiangxiDad on July 1, 2008 at 6:50 PM

I’m just noting that although each party’s “base” would prefer ideological purity (however defined) from its nominee, these politicians understand that they must move to the center to stand any chance in the general election in November. This is not a new phenomenon, but the fact that we’re hearing so much outcry from the “bases” of the parties is. I think that has more to do with the fact that this is the first election in the “new media” age where primary fights were waged in both major parties, than it does with anything the candidates are doing.

Big S on July 1, 2008 at 7:00 PM

doubleplusundead on July 1, 2008 at 6:55 PM
HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 6:57 PM

You are correct. I left that out of my analysis.

JiangxiDad on July 1, 2008 at 7:00 PM

God Bless the Kos kids… from the comments section (one of my faves!)I don’t know about you, but I smell dissension in the ranks! LOL!!

Listen genius – ANAL REAMING NOT GOOD!! (5+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
DJ ProFusion, philimus, Matt Z, txvoodoo, MA Voter

Ok, so moveon is shutting down their ads – great, let the cry babies do what they want. That ‘betray us’ ad was stupid. The way to get to people in the middle – those who will change their minds – is not to call a general a “betrayer” of the people. Sure, the progs snicker and like it. That doesn’t cut it in middle America. Maybe in San Fran and Seattle, but not in large chunks of the country. You need to make a coherent case to persuade people – not just name call. THAT is what Obama is referring to. If moveon can’t take criticism, then they’ll just take their ball and go home I guess. Whatever, maybe they’ll be happier under a President McCain and a Republican administration again. Wankers.

I’m still trying to figure out why telecom immunity is so bad – they were told to do it by the government. Shouldn’t the people in charge (namely Bush et al) be the ones that are prosecuted for this??? I don’t think he is getting immunity. Who gives a s*** if ATT is getting immunity? That’s what you clowns are upset about?? Seriously Kos, grow the f*** up. No really, grow the f*** up.

If Obama did everything you wanted him to do, he would not get elected. Sad, but true. He needs to move to the center a bit (or, what is probably the case – PRETEND to move to the center a bit).

People in RED states will not vote for him if he doesn’t. Why can’t you get that through your head? An ultra-progressive will never win in a nation that elected GW Bush not once but twice.

SO, STFU, and stop crying in your milk already.

Oh, and don’t worry Kos, there are plenty of us who truly believe in progressive causes that we will overlook his faults and donate the max – simply because we don’t need Republicans in power any longer. Of course, it looks like you are okay with that.

By the way, who would you like appointing Court justices for the next 4 years? That alone is worth MY $2,300. I don’t care whether the prez is Obama, Clinton or Carter. If you allow a Repub to get in power for the next 4-8 years, this country is in for some anal reaming – and I don’t mean the good kind.

by Joan Evan on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 12:23:52 PM PDT

Makes me wanna get the checkbook out for McCain… Ha!

Califemme on July 1, 2008 at 7:02 PM

Kos is pulling some reverse psychology here to coordinate with Obama’s head fake to the center: If the extreme left is furious with him can Obama be as bad as the right says he is?

Dusty on July 1, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Califemme on July 1, 2008 at 7:02 PM

Change a few proper nouns, and it sounds like an argument from a righty blog. The commenter even managed to use the Supreme Court as his/her trump card.

Big S on July 1, 2008 at 7:06 PM

these politicians understand that they must move to the center to stand any chance in the general election in November.
Big S on July 1, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Besides reiterating what the two said above, (that conservatives were never originally McCain supporters), I never like the use of the term “center” anymore. I’m old enough that that has simply meant too many things.

It is no virtue to take the center in our present ideological standoff.. McCain does not have to take the center to win–especially against someone so demonstrably liberal as Obama. It’s simply something McCain want to do.

JiangxiDad on July 1, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Great screen cap Allah. You’ve captured the true punk in him.

Zorro on July 1, 2008 at 7:08 PM

this country is in for some anal reaming – and I don’t mean the good kind.

by Joan Evan on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 12:23:52 PM PDT

good kind?

JiangxiDad on July 1, 2008 at 7:09 PM

these politicians understand that they must move to the center to stand any chance in the general election in This is not a new phenomenon, but the fact that we’re hearing so much outcry from the “bases” of the parties is.

Big S on July 1, 2008 at 7:00 PM

I disagree, the outcry seems to be coming much more from the left than the right, in particular from the extreme KO’s left. They remind me of a kid throwing a tantrum when he doesn’t get his way or gets what he wants.

The extreme left and the KO’s kids want/expect very specific things from Obama (like out of Iraq, etc.) if he becomes president and anything less will be seen as a betrayal in their eyes. Since Obama is an empty suit he will fail to come through on most of his promises and like a spoiled child the KO’s kids will throw a tantrum whenever Obama fails to deliver!

Liberty or Death on July 1, 2008 at 7:10 PM

good kind?

JiangxiDad on July 1, 2008 at 7:09 PM

LOL!

Is there any other kind?!?

Califemme on July 1, 2008 at 7:13 PM

It is no virtue to take the center in our present ideological standoff.. McCain does not have to take the center to win–especially against someone so demonstrably liberal as Obama. It’s simply something McCain want to do.

JiangxiDad on July 1, 2008 at 7:06 PM

You are far too optimistic about the strength of down-the-line “conservative” ideology in the USA these days. Kos and his brethren are also too optimistic about the strength of down-the-line “liberal” ideology. Any candidate who homes to win in November must do very well among moderate voters.

Big S on July 1, 2008 at 7:14 PM

If you allow a Repub to get in power for the next 4-8 years, this country is in for some anal reaming – and I don’t mean the good kind.

by Joan Evan on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 12:23:52 PM PDT

So Joan, you have plans Saturday?

Chuck Schick on July 1, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Change a few proper nouns, and it sounds like an argument from a righty blog. The commenter even managed to use the Supreme Court as his/her trump card.

Big S on July 1, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Amazing isn’t it? I truly didn’t think they were “progressive” enough to look down the road that far… I guess I should have known better though, considering they are the party of the 20 ft sea level rise in 100 years and all… heh.

Califemme on July 1, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Here’s to hoping this nitwit with the bad haircut gets eaten alive by his moonbat minions when things don’t turn out the way they want.

Bon Appetit!!

Et tu Brute on July 1, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Ths summer is starting to warm up….. can’t wait for the conventions.

Seven Percent Solution on July 1, 2008 at 7:20 PM

I disagree, the outcry seems to be coming much more from the left than the right, in particular from the extreme KO’s left. They remind me of a kid throwing a tantrum when he doesn’t get his way or gets what he wants.

This site alone has hosted more than a few tantrums a day since McCain has secured the nomination. Just because Obama’s a bit behind McCain in his turn to the center does not mean that the tantrums are not very similar.

The extreme left and the KO’s kids want/expect very specific things from Obama (like out of Iraq, etc.) if he becomes president and anything less will be seen as a betrayal in their eyes. Since Obama is an empty suit he will fail to come through on most of his promises and like a spoiled child the KO’s kids will throw a tantrum whenever Obama fails to deliver!

Liberty or Death on July 1, 2008 at 7:10 PM

…and the extreme right wants very specific things from McCain, such as ANWR drilling, a double-layer wall on the border with Mexico, a “defense” of marriage, etc. Neither side is going to get everything it wants.

Big S on July 1, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Reminds me of something Trotsky might have said about Lenin.

(While cheerfully signing thousands of death warrants for annoying anti-collectivists.)

The Party above all!

profitsbeard on July 1, 2008 at 7:49 PM

Are those tire tracks on Markos?

Screw him.

hillbillyjim on July 1, 2008 at 7:53 PM

good kind?

JiangxiDad on July 1, 2008 at 7:09 PM

I believe Ed referred to it as an, er, precondition here

cthulhu on July 1, 2008 at 8:07 PM

Obama is now clearly not looking much different than every other Democratic politician who has ever turned his or her back on the base in order to prove centrist bona fides.

You mean he’s trying to, y’know, look sane. You’d think that the loopy left would eventually figure that out.

But then, there’s Einstein’s definition of insanity…

mojo on July 1, 2008 at 8:10 PM

and the extreme right wants very specific things from McCain, such as ANWR drilling, a double-layer wall on the border with Mexico, a “defense” of marriage, etc. Neither side is going to get everything it wants.

Big S on July 1, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Interesting analysis. So it is the “extreme right” that wants the border CLOSED to illegal immigration…no one else. And it is the “extreme right” again that wants to drill ANWR and other places to get this country moving towards energy independence..no one else.

It is the “extreme right” that wants a defense of marriage act to counter the years of erosion brought to the American family unit….no one else.

I guess it’s the “extreme right” that also stands alone against amnesty for illegal aliens, destroying the American economy in order to stop man-made global warming, Habeas Corpus rights for terrorists and the 2nd amendment???

Neither side is going to get everything it wants eh??

Tell me Big S….is this country more or less liberal than when you graced the planet with your presence?

The leftists in this country do not compromise…EVAH. They shrink back into the shadows and work the system under the radar and reappear when the time is right. This country has been and is being dragged into socialism.

Why don’t you drop the “extreme right” tag and call us what you REALLY want to call us. Bitter clingers!

You would have us all be content with whatever the R party hands us.

Well…we “bitter clingers” disagree with that and you can plan on hearing about it until we cease to exist.

If you do not like hearing “tantrums” about John McCain, go back to the echo chamber.

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Neither side is going to get everything it wants eh??

Tell me Big S….is this country more or less liberal than when you graced the planet with your presence?

It’s not as liberal as it was when I was young. It got more conservative for a while, and now it’s getting more liberal again. These things go in cycles.

As for my point about the “extreme right”, I was only referring to those who refuse to compromise at all on the issues I mentioned. Anyone who thinks McCain is just as “liberal” on these issues as Obama falls into that crowd. There are a few of them who frequent this blog. Pay attention.

Big S on July 1, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Anyone who thinks McCain is just as “liberal” on these issues as Obama falls into that crowd.

Liberal enough to lose my vote, that’s for sure…

There is no compromise on securing the border. Attrition through enforcement is a darn effective strategy for combating illegal immigration. But nooooooo, McCain is still on his Comprehensive Immigration Reform high-horse. What. A. Joke.

You wanna vote for that loser go right ahead. Attentive folks know better.

HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 8:43 PM

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 8:10 PM
Big S on July 1, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Guys hold the friendly fire and focus the attack on that crypto Muslim Marxist Anti-American crack smoking pig Obama.

elduende on July 1, 2008 at 8:43 PM

Guys hold the friendly fire and focus the attack on that crypto Muslim Marxist Anti-American crack smoking pig Obama.

Lovely hyperbole. Obama is the candidate shifting to the right. McCain continues to drift further and further left. Who to trust…

HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 8:49 PM

There are a few of them who frequent this blog. Pay attention.

Big S on July 1, 2008 at 8:33 PM

I do pay attention.

Tell me where JM and BO differ on the man-made global warming issue.

Tell me where JM and BO differ on “comprehensive immigration reform”.

Tell me where JM and BO differ on GITMO.

Tell me where JM and BO differ on domestic drilling.

Tell me where JM and BO differ on how to handle “BIG OIL COMPANIES”.

I never said that JM was AS liberal as BO on EVERYTHING, but he sure does hit a few eh?

One thing I have noticed. NOT ONCE has a McCain supporter on this site EVER responded to a critical post with “You know, you’re right. John should listen to these concerns”…NEVAH!

They ALWAYS respond with the “extreme right” tag followed by, “STFU”.

How to win friends and influence VOTERS!!!

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 8:56 PM

/sarc
JiangxiDad on July 1, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Thank you for clarifying that.
:)

wise_man on July 1, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Guys hold the friendly fire and focus the attack on that crypto Muslim Marxist Anti-American crack smoking pig Obama.

Lovely hyperbole. Obama is the candidate shifting to the right. McCain continues to drift further and further left. Who to trust…
HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 8:49 PM

According to the American Conservative Union, Obama scored an 8. McCain? 83.

So, according to you, Obama is “shifting to the right” – in policy, right? Or is he doing this for appearances only. And McCain, who has a score of 83, he must be at something like a 40 now, right? According to you.

Maybe you need to read this so you wouldn’t be so ignorant of the facts.

ACU Ratings for the Likely 2008 Presidential Candidates

Who to trust? Not you, obviously.

wise_man on July 1, 2008 at 9:06 PM

Lovely hyperbole.

Wow you’re right what was I thinking? Obama is clearly in the center now. How could I have missed that. Oh well those sneaky “America loving” democrats have done snookered little ol me. Guess we’ll all have to vote for the crack smoker… oops I mean upstanding centrist healer.

elduende on July 1, 2008 at 9:07 PM

wise_man on July 1, 2008 at 9:06 PM

I already caught you peddling those ACU ratings in another thread, wise_man. You have no credibility. McCain’s score over the last 10 years is among the lowest — if not THE lowest — for GOP congressmen. McCain scored a 65 in 2006. He. Is. No. Conservative.

You have no credibility; nor does McCain.

Wow you’re right what was I thinking?

I truly don’t know, ’cause your last couple posts demonstrate a complete lack of seriousness. Let me demonstrate by quoting a couple phrases you used to describe Obama…

•crypto Muslim
•Marxist
•Anti-American
•crack smoking
•pig

Grow up, edlduende. Grow up. Name-calling just demonstrates your inability to make a coherent argument. Obama may not be your cup o’ tea, nor is he mine, but demonizing him in such a way is totally unnecessary.

Display a little decency and lay off the absurd hyperbole.

HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Hey Talon and Hebrew to you.

Seriously and all hyperbole aside.

For the record I am an Hispanic ex military hard right hawk and I vehemently disagree with McCain on Gitmo, the border, the global warming fraud, and his untenable stance on energy, and throw in his stance on firearms, and his attacks on free speech.

You will not find me telling you to vote for this man but I am going to vote for him because the wretch the Democrats have given the nomination to is absolutely incompetent and dangerous for our country. Obama represents a clear danger to all of us. Half of the democrats already sense this and that is why I think McCain is playing to their side. Aside from that I think McCain will be more malleable to us than Obama.

elduende on July 1, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Aside from that I think McCain will be more malleable to us than Obama.

Malleable is not a trait I want in my Commander In Chief. By all means, vote for McCain. If he represents your values, opinions and beliefs then so be it. But every time I read a thread here dotted with comments condemning true conservatives it just makes me sick.

I’m going to vote my conscience, and that ain’t Obama or McCain.

HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 9:31 PM

The democrats are playing for keeps, decency is not going to keep this man out of the White House. You may buy that notion but the circles I run in won’t get the message unless it is as strark and raw as that.

crypto Muslim – Under the Hadith if your father is Muslim you are Muslim unless you renounce Islam after puberty. Maybe he is maybe he isn’t. He did run to the one institution in Chicago not in the hands of Louis Farrakhan that sounds pretty militantly anti American and anti Jewish to me. His ties to the Palestine and Muslim lobby has been established.

Marxist- Obama’s career had been enabled by the most radical members of the SDS and the Weather Underground Marxist radicals holdover from the last generation. When he first sought office in 1996 he sought their support to get elected under their party platform. He lost.

Anti-American- the failure to leave his Church in Chicago and his myriad of anti-American supporters are enough to question his patriotism frankly he would get more respect from me if he stuck by his earlier position and not wore the flag lapel pin the man does not have a right to wear it.

crack smoking – a man named Sinclair http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/ has made allegations of that nature and worse. Where there is crack smoke there is crack fire.

elduende on July 1, 2008 at 9:39 PM

HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Ok peace brother. cease fire. We are on the same side but we’re not going to see eye to eye on this. I respect your position.

elduende on July 1, 2008 at 9:43 PM

elduende on July 1, 2008 at 9:39 PM

You’re not really helping your argument…

HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 9:47 PM

HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 9:31 PM

You have a drink of your choice coming for that post.

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 9:52 PM

You have a drink of your choice coming for that post.

Stoli & Red Bull. Make it a double. ;)

HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 9:54 PM

Stoli & Red Bull. Make it a double. ;)

HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 9:54 PM

Done.

E-mail or fax???

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 10:01 PM

The pros use Blackberry Messenger.;)

HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 10:10 PM

The pros use Blackberry Messenger.;)

HebrewToYou on July 1, 2008 at 10:10 PM

I guess I need an upgrade then.

Can’t do that with T-Mobile.

And here I thought I was on the cutting edge! DOH!!!

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 10:28 PM

I’m holding off on donating to Obama

As if…

right2bright on July 2, 2008 at 12:52 AM

…this country is in for some anal reaming – and I don’t mean the good kind.

by Joan Evan on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 12:23:52 PM PDT

That right there…that pretty much says everything you need to know about the person who said it.

On the one hand, it could just mean that this…person, we’ll say, enjoys non-conventional sexual practices. To each their own, I suppose.

On the other, taken in the context of it’s post, one could presume that the “anal reaming” of “the good kind” is this person’s way of describing their personal view of what “good” leaders do to people of opposing political viewpoints, which judging by what I’ve seen from the Kosis, means screwing everyone who doesn’t agree with them.

Like I said, says a lot about the person who wrote that…

SuperCool on July 2, 2008 at 6:59 AM

Kos to his True Master, Darth Soros:

Kos: MASTER! MASTER! CAN I BREATHE NOW, MASTER?

Darth Soros: NO, MINION! YOU MAY NOT!

Kos: YES MASTER! SUFFOCATING GOOD! gasp…gasp…SUFFOCATING GOOD, MASTER! gasp…gasp…

pilamaye on July 2, 2008 at 7:09 AM

lol, pilamaye

Seriously, though, Obama’s money machine is principally driven by young liberals who are influenced by sites like the DailyKos and groups like Moveon and so forth. If those groups are feeling betrayed enough to start withholding donations, that could seriously crimp Obama’s money stream. It has already been reported that Obama only out-raised McCain by $1.5 million or so in May. The June numbers will be interesting.

And to everyone here who analogizes Obama’s move to the center to any flip-flopping by McCain, please don’t. McCain is ever-so-slightly right of center and has been fairly stable in his views over the years. He’s not a true conservative, no, but other than Thompson, none of our major contenders for the nomination (e.g. Giuliani and Romney) were either. We can take comfort in the fact that McCain is right on Iraq, is willing to do some kind of drilling, and is a major deficit hawk.

Outlander on July 2, 2008 at 7:38 AM

Oh goodnes, “betraying his claims of being a new kind of politician.” LOL. He’s just seeing that now?

jtorres138 on July 2, 2008 at 8:40 AM

elduende on July 1, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Well stated and I agree completely, McCain despite his faults is the the only option for POTUS (as far as I’m concerned) and having Obama as POTUS would not only be a disaster for this nation it could prove to be dangerous as well considering we are waging a war we need to win!

Liberty or Death on July 2, 2008 at 2:20 PM