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posted at 7:19 pm on July 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
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June 18th being a mere five days after this story about Powell conspicuously refusing to say whom he’ll endorse broke big on the wires. Hmmm:

Peggy Cifrino, Powell’s spokeswoman, confirmed that the presumptive Democratic nominee and the retired chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff chatted June 18, one-on-one for about an hour at the Armed Forces Benefit Association, where Powell rents space…

Cifrino said that Powell and Sen. John McCain met the week prior in Arlington.

The blogosphere is abuzz with speculation that Powell could back the Democrat, a sign of his disaffection with the Republican Party and the Bush administration. The nod could, of course, also carry weight with voters concerned about Obama’s lack of foreign policy experience. In poll after poll, the only consistent question in which McCain bests Obama is on the matter of who is best able to handle national security issues. A Powell endorsement of Obama would certainly be a blow to the Arizona senator’s chief selling point — that he is better prepared to be commander in chief.

Not the first time the two have met for an “informal” chat. The last time I wrote about this, I speculated that Powell would be invited to give a Zell Miller-esque keynote at the Democratic convention. Rather than revisit that, let’s approach this from the cold-eyed pragmatic perspective: If you’re Powell, what’s to be gained from endorsing McCain over Obama? He’s 71 years old (which is reason enough to laugh at the rumors of him being either of their VPs). Figure he has 10 years of political influence left if he’s lucky. Which party’s likelier to dominate the government over that time? Which party’s brand is tarnished? Which foreign policy view is a former Secretary of State who allegedly tried to talk Bush out of invading Iraq more likely to be sympathetic to? And then there’s this. Honestly, the true surprise at this point would be if he endorsed McCain, not Obama.


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I don’t understand him. If he likes Obama, why did he already send $2,300 to McCain?

amerpundit on July 1, 2008 at 7:23 PM

I read somewhere that Chuck Hagel would like to be Obama’s VP. And McCain has co-opted half the Democratic platform. Hell, why don’t we all just join the Democrats and try to influence them from inside. Damn, I’m jaded.

flenser on July 1, 2008 at 7:24 PM

At least the event didn’t take place a day later. Then we would have had to listen to Obama make another lying speech about how something that didn’t lead to his birth, lead to his birth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth

RightWinged on July 1, 2008 at 7:25 PM

We all know that if Powell endorse Obama its for one reason and one reason only and not because he thinks Obama would make a better Pres.

thmcbb on July 1, 2008 at 7:25 PM

This is a given…but the SecState job is Powell’s if he wants it under Barry…though VP is not out either. I just think Barry will go with some ‘White Marxist Dude’ for VP just to get the right ‘color-balance’…not that he thinks that way and I must be a total racist for bringing that up.

AUINSC on July 1, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Does Powell’s endorsement really matter?

doodleduh on July 1, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Just another R.I.N.O.

TooTall on July 1, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Being straight, Powell should know better. He really should. If he doesn’t, he is (and I use the term with all due response) an idiot. If he does, and he back Obama he is a Traitor. I’m not sure about Powell yet, which is why he is in the ‘undecided’ list at http://www.countryaboveself.com where so far, people think he is a Patriot. But then again, those same people cannot bring themselves to think Stephen Colbert is a Patriot and they are proud of voting their favorite websites as Traitors. Again, Powell SHOULD know. Not that he does. But he can’t be a total dolt. I admired Powell greatly a few years back for his stance and for his logic, but now I’m not sure.

ilitigant on July 1, 2008 at 7:27 PM

Boy, I wonder what else Powell and Obama have in common that could lead Powell to want to vote for him.

Hmmmmm…

It's Vintage, Duh on July 1, 2008 at 7:27 PM

Who cares who Powell endorses?

Maxx on July 1, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Powell burned his bridges with real Republicans years ago- even before it was learned that the bastard knew the “leaker” was his deputy but he let the adminstration twist in the wind over the made-up Plame scandal.

If Obama wants a filthy disloyal operative, he’s more than welcome. We’ve got a filthy disloyal Judas of our own at the TOP of the ticket!

highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 7:32 PM

I don’t understand him. If he likes Obama, why did he already send $2,300 to McCain?

That was for the primary. By that time Obama was just returning from Egypt.

ninjapirate on July 1, 2008 at 7:36 PM

Powell loves the military. It’s his life.

He’ll endorse McCain.

SteveMG on July 1, 2008 at 7:37 PM

I never liked him…….he wasn’t right..in the head.

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Powell is a man I once thought would be the first black POTUS if he endorses Obama he’s done for good and the endorsement can be dismissed as being due to same reason that Obama garners 95% of the black vote. Racism.

elduende on July 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Powell loves the military. It’s his life.

He’ll endorse McCain.

SteveMG on July 1, 2008 at 7:37 PM

I think he loves the military about as much as Wes Clark does…it was a great gig while it lasted, but it’s over and he’s moved on…to become a politician.

AUINSC on July 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Powell, other than a soldier, is a has been never been. Total disgrace as Secretary of State and partially responsible for the world opinion of the USA today. Black Jimmy Carter…

Wade on July 1, 2008 at 7:41 PM

The people here ragging on powell are the flesh eating bacteria on this Republican rotting corpse.

ninjapirate on July 1, 2008 at 7:42 PM

Oh, and please STFU.

ninjapirate on July 1, 2008 at 7:43 PM

Read John Bolton’s book.” Surrender is not an Option”.. my impression of Powell was greatly influenced.

MNDavenotPC on July 1, 2008 at 7:43 PM

Powell burned his bridges with real Republicans years ago- even before it was learned that the bastard knew the “leaker” was his deputy but he let the adminstration twist in the wind over the made-up Plame scandal.

True. But bear in mind that the leaker is working for McCain and might be SecState in a McCain WH.

flenser on July 1, 2008 at 7:45 PM

I don’t endorse Colon Powell, so there.

redrock on July 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Powell probably thinks that he gave his credibility away to the Republicans – via the UN WMD presentation – and that he’s got a free pass now to do whatever he wants. He may think he’s got a much better chance influence Obama than McCain, or to dominate the news as a traitor to Republicans, and to revive his relevance while connecting to a new generation. Most of the Left will immediately forget everything they ever disliked about him.

Sorry to say, but I suspect Robert Novak knew what he was saying today on Fox, and that Powell is just biding his time to endorse Obama with maximum impact. If he doesn’t, it will be the first time he’s grown in my estimation in many years. Otherwise, it’s been a long slide down ever since “We’re going to cut it off, and we’re going to kill it.”

CK MacLeod on July 1, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Uh oh.

- The Cat

MirCat on July 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM

flenser on July 1, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Considering, cranky old bastard himself almost jumped in as Kerry’s VP/SECDEF I guess loyalty isn’t to McCain’s campaign.

Beyond that, Powell was an awful SECSTATE. He refused to travel overseas! I would hope that McCain’s people are smarter than that but I’ve really got to question that assumption when McCain is campaigning in Columbia (the country not the city in SC) while Obama is campaigning in the Midwest.

highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 7:55 PM

We all saw enough of Powell in his brilliant work as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs during the First Gulf War. Great decision he made there. The USSR was collapsing, taking Russia out of the middle east for the first time in a long while, and Powell thought it best to leave Saddam festering over the oil fields, even after Saddam showed what he was willing to do when he intentionally dumped 40,000,000 barrels of oil into the gulf and lit just about every single oil well in Kuwait on fire. At that point, anyone with a brain understood that Saddam had to go … except Powell and Bush Sr.

I care about Powell’s endorsements, as a negative.

Oh, and the “Powell Doctrine” is a joke. A total joke.

progressoverpeace on July 1, 2008 at 7:55 PM

Oh, and please STFU.

ninjapirate on July 1, 2008 at 7:43 PM

Ok…just send us an e-mail when it is OK for us to post opinion again…We’ll wait patiently here, sitting on our hands until you say it is OK..and please, make sure and tell us what opinions to have…we don’t want to get it wrong again and offend you!

AUINSC on July 1, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Powell’s no Lieberman, that’s for sure.

MrScribbler on July 1, 2008 at 8:02 PM

Ok…just send us an e-mail when it is OK for us to post opinion again…We’ll wait patiently here, sitting on our hands until you say it is OK..and please, make sure and tell us what opinions to have…we don’t want to get it wrong again and offend you!

No ninjapirate is absolutely right, most of the people here should STFU. The comment section here turned into another embarrassment to right leaning blogs.

lowandslow on July 1, 2008 at 8:04 PM

No ninjapirate is absolutely right, most of the people here should STFU. The comment section here turned into another embarrassment to right leaning blogs.

lowandslow on July 1, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Why are the comments an embarassment? Explain why and maybe you could convince others if you tried.

AUINSC on July 1, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Powell is a man without a home. Armitage burned his credibility in the Plame fiasco. The only thing he offers Obama is the visual image of senior black leadership.

JAW on July 1, 2008 at 8:12 PM

I’ll call your bluff, ninjapirate , should you be so inclined, perhaps you’ll attempt to enforce that comment with action…. otherwise try being a bit more civil.

MNDavenotPC on July 1, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Why are the comments an embarassment? Explain why and maybe you could convince others if you tried.

AUINSC on July 1, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Telling others to shut up is a mark of those who hold an position they can’t defend. There are McCain supporters here who routinely tell others to shut up because they cannot defend the hypocrisy, lies, and treason that marks John McCain vis-a-vis social conservatives and evangelicals. Since McCain’s actions are indefensible, the line of attack is to silence the critics.

Nobody should fear ideas and those that disagree should argue their position instead of telling others to shut up.

highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 8:18 PM

The only thing he offers Obama is the visual image of senior black leadership.

JAW on July 1, 2008 at 8:12 PM

And his military success during ODS.

highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Nobody should fear ideas and those that disagree should argue their position instead of telling others to shut up.

Did ninjapirate tell people to STFU because of their “ideas and positions”? He told them to shut up because of the mere suggestion that Powell may endorse Obama some posters here decided to attack him.

“I never liked him…….he wasn’t right..in the head.”

That doesn’t embarrass you AUINSC?

lowandslow on July 1, 2008 at 8:26 PM

highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Spot on!!

There are many echo chambers on the net, this place has never been one of them.

Perhaps those that recommend to others with different views STFU should CTFC. (Change The F’in Channel) Or read the Constitution……which ever is easier.

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Did ninjapirate tell people to STFU because of their “ideas and positions”? He told them to shut up because of the mere suggestion that Powell may endorse Obama some posters here decided to attack him.

“I never liked him…….he wasn’t right..in the head.”

That doesn’t embarrass you AUINSC?

lowandslow on July 1, 2008 at 8:26 PM

He didn’t bother to explain it Dude…and neither did you..

This was his ‘defense’ of Colin Powell:

The people here ragging on powell are the flesh eating bacteria on this Republican rotting corpse./blockquote>

So, no, I’m not embarrassed…are you?

AUINSC on July 1, 2008 at 8:32 PM

lowandslow on July 1, 2008 at 8:26 PM

I will type SLOW for you….OK???

That line was from the movie “Brave heart”……I guess you missed it.

You are easily embarrassed???

Well see if these words embarrass you….

Shoe?

Mega-Phone?

Grunties?

Now for the biggie!!!

Wankel Rotary Engine?

I typed slow, I swear.

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 8:33 PM

I never had an affinity to Powell. He seems to love positive feedbacks instead of attacks. Since he was connected to Bush, the MSM have labeled him in a negative way. Now that Obama is the flavor of the month, Powell will once again be highly regarded by the MSM.
I hate that cowardice. All for expediency.

jencab on July 1, 2008 at 8:35 PM

lowandslow on July 1, 2008 at 8:26 PM

One more thing lowandslow…I never did trust Powell. AP used the word “maverick”…..it is an accurate description.

John McCain…Maverick

Colin Powell…Maverick

I DO NOT TRUST EITHER OF THEM.

If that embarrasses YOU………YOU have the issue.

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 8:39 PM

I typed slow, I swear.

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 8:33 PM

I’m NOT picking on Talon here but could we dispense with the whole “I will type slow for you” insult? It’s just stupid! The audience isn’t reading real-time.

If you must, the appropriate insult is to state that you are using really small words so the reader will understand.

highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 8:43 PM

The people here ragging on powell are the flesh eating bacteria on this Republican rotting corpse.
ninjapirate on July 1, 2008 at 7:42 PM
Oh, and please STFU.
ninjapirate on July 1, 2008 at 7:43 PM

LOL, troll says what?

wise_man on July 1, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Did ninjapirate tell people to STFU because of their “ideas and positions”? He told them to shut up because of the mere suggestion that Powell may endorse Obama some posters here decided to attack him.

“I never liked him…….he wasn’t right..in the head.”

That doesn’t embarrass you AUINSC?

lowandslow on July 1, 2008 at 8:26 PM

It’s funny that you know what ninjapirate intended by his comments, BTW. Pretty mad mindreading skilz you have there.

AUINSC on July 1, 2008 at 8:44 PM

I read somewhere that Chuck Hagel would like to be Obama’s VP.

flenser on July 1, 2008 at 7:24 PM

I read that, too. I’ve also read some comments by libs at Fark and other places who think that Hagel would be a good choice because he’d bring some Republicans over to vote for Obama. Bwahahahahahaha! I really hope Obama chooses Hagel. He’ll drive away whatever “Obamicans” there are.

As for Powell, he might make a better fit as Obama’s SecState than he did as Bush’s.

aero on July 1, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Mr. Powell has been confused for years, or has used the system, from both ends, depending which one he needed.

Also, he sleeps with Alma. See Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Entelechy on July 1, 2008 at 8:48 PM

I think Obama has found his VP.

Tinian on July 1, 2008 at 8:51 PM

I think Obama has found his VP.

Tinian on July 1, 2008 at 8:51 PM

Hard sell. Powell was an inept SECSTATE but he was the guy who went to the UN before the US invaded Iraq. Claims of being mislead aside (which are absurd) does adding a “Republican” like Powell to the ticket do anything for Obama. Wavering Republicans aren’t going to flock to Obama for choosing Powell. Most Democrats hate Powell even more than Republicans do. What does Powell add to the ticket.

My guess, Powell will replace Wes Clark as the national security/military advisor for the Obama camp. Ultimate payoff for Powell SECDEF in an Obama administration.

highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 8:59 PM

highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 8:43 PM

Yer killin’ me!! LMAO!

OK….small words it is then.

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 9:01 PM

Sorry, but to most blacks race trumps party affiliation.
There are exceptions, praise be to Allah.

carbon_footprint on July 1, 2008 at 9:02 PM

We all know that if Powell endorse Obama its for one reason and one reason only and not because he thinks Obama would make a better Pres.

thmcbb on July 1, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Tell us. Be specific. What’s your proof? I eagerly await your information.

The Race Card on July 1, 2008 at 9:04 PM

Sorry, but to most blacks race trumps party affiliation.
There are exceptions, praise be to Allah.

carbon_footprint on July 1, 2008 at 9:02 PM

So most blacks are more racist than most whites? Am I understanding this correctly.

The Race Card on July 1, 2008 at 9:05 PM

I never thought Powell would be”movin’ with the homies”. If he does it will be disappointing and historically devastating for him.

MaiDee on July 1, 2008 at 9:08 PM

Whatever Powell’s views on domestic matters are, I think he is more concerned about foreign policy and is looking for something other than the Neoconservative retards that have destroyed the Republican Party. The only chance the warmongers have at the Presidency requires a lot of racists to vote for McDole. Thanks for ruining my party jackasses, or at least former jackasses mugged by “reality”.

And for the blind supporters, you are to blame for the coming socialism. The state will run health “care” because you guys couldn’t crack a damn book, read a news story by anyone other than a mouthpiece for this mess.

LevStrauss on July 1, 2008 at 9:08 PM

Wavering Republicans aren’t going to flock to Obama for choosing Powell.
highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 8:59 PM

Possible. Most “wavering republicans” are looking for any excuse to not support McCain, sit back and do nothing while more Obama supporters vote for and help to elect Obama … and then smugly state that “it was McCains fault” that they didn’t vote for him as Obama is sworn in. I wouldn’t put it past them to actually vote for Obama to make this happen, they are so divorced from logic and reality.

wise_man on July 1, 2008 at 9:09 PM

carbon_footprint on July 1, 2008 at 9:02 PM

From what source(s) have you gleaned such valuable and disturbing “facts?”

For all of you who seem to believe that skin color determines social values, please help me understand how black people came to be this way. And, how do we prevent all of you whites from becoming just as racist?

The last thing America needs is for most whites to support and or acquiesce to racism. Black racism has been a real problem for our nation.

***
Clearly America is made up of more than two races. But we’re binary culture. So I generalized thusly.

The Race Card on July 1, 2008 at 9:12 PM

wise_man on July 1, 2008 at 9:09 PM

Yes it is my fault. I will be physically be keeping millions of people from going to the election booth. It has nothing to do with the past eight years. You have to love the blind followers, they have no shadow, only scapegoats. Look over there!

LevStrauss on July 1, 2008 at 9:19 PM

Powell is not going to be the VP choice. He may be popular but black/black is never going to happen. Just like jew/jew or catholic/catholic or mormon/mormon. It is not uncommon for people to contribute $$$ to both sides of the aisle. Powell may be a donk but he may also be a friend of McCain’s, therefore the donation(s).

Blake on July 1, 2008 at 9:23 PM

LevStrauss maybe you don’t know how the election will work. All of the people who are voting for Obama will be counted along side all of the people who vote for McCain, and in each state, the winner of the vote will get that states electoral votes, and the president will be elected based on who has the highest number.

If you – an many more like you who think the same – don’t take part of the electoral process and stand up to be counted, then Obama will win because his supporters will definitely be voting for him. Then, it will be ‘your fault’ when Obama becomes the next president. I assume that you know what an Obama presidency will be like.

wise_man on July 1, 2008 at 9:25 PM

LevStrauss on July 1, 2008 at 9:08 PM

So which is it??

“Neocon retards”, “blind followers” or “warmongering racists” that are responsible for the coming doom?

I saw no mention of “spineless, a-moral, chicken-shits” in your list of evil. I guess they were absent that day?

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 9:28 PM

And, how do we prevent all of you whites from becoming just as racist?

The Race Card on July 1, 2008 at 9:12 PM

That’s easy.
1. Acknowledge the enormous improvements in race relations, and in the opportunities available to everyone these days.

2. Celebrate black conservatives, and tell the race baiters and hustlers to STFU.

3. Support black conservatives for political office. Quit the Uncle Tom attacks.

4. Acknowledge the skewed voting patterns in the AA community in favor of Obama, and recognize that the vast majority of Obama voters are white.

You meant it sarcastically, but what the hell.

JiangxiDad on July 1, 2008 at 9:30 PM

wise_man on July 1, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Sorry but Neoconservatives, the “intellectual” power behind our foreign policy, believe in a lot of kooky stuff. Just read Leo Strauss. If that is “virtue” I want nothing to do with it. I might not believe in religions but at least I am honest. Throw in some Machiavelli and you have an “interesting” foreign policy.

LevStrauss on July 1, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 9:01 PM

Thanks for humoring me and taking my comments in the way they were intended!

highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Let them have him. After the armitage scam he’s proven he has no honor. He belongs in the democrat party.

peacenprosperity on July 1, 2008 at 9:40 PM

The first poster nailed it. If Powell donated to McCain’s campaign, that it solid evidence that he’s a McCain supporter.

There is no counter-evidence. What’s up with all these fantasies?

The busting on Powell is juvenile.

Pythagoras on July 1, 2008 at 9:54 PM

highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Thank YOU for posting them!!

I hope you have a wonderful Independence Day!!!

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 9:57 PM

There is no counter-evidence. What’s up with all these fantasies?

The busting on Powell is juvenile.

Pythagoras on July 1, 2008 at 9:54 PM

Well, how do you interpret a hour meeting with Obama? And if he did send $2300 to McCain, why is he saying now that he is undecided? Why not just say that he’s supports McCain now..if, in fact, he does? There’s a lot of smoke, even if there is no fire yet in sight.

AUINSC on July 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Do you honestly think that Powell would hitch his name to and endorse an empty suit neophyte whose every major mistake would be laid at his doorstep?

Powell might very well decide to sit this one out and endorse no one.

GarandFan on July 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Hard sell. Powell was an inept SECSTATE but he was the guy who went to the UN before the US invaded Iraq. Claims of being mislead aside (which are absurd) does adding a “Republican” like Powell to the ticket do anything for Obama. Wavering Republicans aren’t going to flock to Obama for choosing Powell. Most Democrats hate Powell even more than Republicans do. What does Powell add to the ticket.

My guess, Powell will replace Wes Clark as the national security/military advisor for the Obama camp. Ultimate payoff for Powell SECDEF in an Obama administration.

highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 8:59 PM

Logically thinking, that’s a rational evaluation. But we’re not dealing with a rationally thinking voting population. Or an honest media.

If Powell threw Bush under the bus he would be a huge (political) rock star. That temptation might very well get the best of him.

Tinian on July 1, 2008 at 10:01 PM

If Powell threw Bush under the bus he would be a huge (political) rock star. That temptation might very well get the best of him.

Tinian on July 1, 2008 at 10:01 PM

True enough, but would that garner votes for Obama?

Contrary to this whole “Bush’s third term” nonsense, McCain’s victory or defeat is going to be outside the current administration. There are no coat tails this year.

highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 10:10 PM

So most blacks are more racist than most whites? Am I understanding this correctly.

The Race Card on July 1, 2008 at 9:05 PM

I’ll go ahead and say yes.

Dem primary: Didja see where 90% of blacks voted for Bambi, while 55% of whites voted for Hillary? And that proved that whites are racist. And blacks get away with a lot more racism than whites do.

misterpeasea on July 1, 2008 at 10:11 PM

I hope you have a wonderful Independence Day!!!

Talon on July 1, 2008 at 9:57 PM

Back at ya!

highhopes on July 1, 2008 at 10:11 PM

So most blacks are more racist than most whites? Am I understanding this correctly.

The Race Card on July 1, 2008 at 9:05 PM

I don’t think that CF said that. The stats speak for themselves, dearest TRC. I don’t understand the stats at all, given the history of the dems, but I have given up on them (the 90+%) – it is what it is – all should deal with it.

Blacks are no longer the majority of the minority. It’s the Latinos. In a few years all this will not matter any more. One day, hopefully sooner than later, all groups will be more informed and more liberated from all parties.

Entelechy on July 1, 2008 at 10:12 PM

I should also have added that of the many blacks with whom I work and am otherwise acquainted, most live more conservative lives than many here – yet, with hardly an exception they’ll vote D.

We talk about it, often, to no avail. They even agree on most of the issues with the conservative side, but when it comes down to it, it is what it is. It no loger puzzles me, or it does, but I’ve given up on it.

No, I’ve never tried to convert anyone. These are just discussions.

Entelechy on July 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Does Powell’s endorsement really matter?

Not to me or perhaps you. However, It will to a hell of a lot of independents and those on the proverbial fence.

Claypigeon on July 1, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Two words:

Affirmative Action

omnipotent on July 1, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Blacks are no longer the majority of the minority. It’s the Latinos. In a few years all this will not matter any more. One day, hopefully sooner than later, all groups will be more informed and more liberated from all parties.

Entelechy on July 1, 2008 at 10:12 PM

What are the odds of a significant shift of blacks away from the Democrat party as the Democrats start pandering to Hispanics more and more?

misterpeasea on July 1, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Obama might find Powell useful if he has to throw Gen. Wesley Clark under the now-famous bus. Powell as an adviser would in some minds provide a measure of counterweight to McCain’s perceived advantage in foreign policy matters.

However I think GerardFan is right.

Powell might very well decide to sit this one out and endorse no one.

hillbillyjim on July 1, 2008 at 11:21 PM

No, I’ve never tried to convert anyone. These are just discussions.

Entelechy on July 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Shoot. I do…all the time

As much as I loathe race-baed biases in favor or against anyone, in my personal life I really really like to have fun with racial reality.

I always get a kick out of explaining away the fears about Republicans to ultra-liberal whites and watching them deflate with confusion at the black man waiving a Constitution at them. Generally blacks are not as entertaining of converts, but hey good times are had by all….meaning me.

I personally think that collectively there is something about having lots of black people on your side that is just cool. I agree that it sucks that as conservative as most are, fewer blacks bet on red.


I don’t think that CF said that.


You’re right. But in all my years of living I have learned to trust my instincts about weather, food, people and life in general. I’ve been online since the mid 90s. And I’m a superhero with psychic abilities. Though I eschew the word “psychic” it basically sums up my range of powers.

That being said. I kinda know what I’m talking about, like all the time, like even when I’m wrong. So whatever I say goes…’cause I’m a bear riding a bull through the world’s longest swap meet.

Is this thing on?

The Race Card on July 1, 2008 at 11:59 PM

thing = brain

The Race Card on July 1, 2008 at 11:59 PM

That being said. I kinda know what I’m talking about, like all the time, like even when I’m wrong. So whatever I say goes…’cause I’m a bear riding a bull through the world’s longest swap meet.

Is this thing on?

lol–very descriptive; sounds like our economy lately…

hillbillyjim on July 2, 2008 at 12:14 AM

“For many black conservatives, the key political mission is to bring repair and success to the Black community…”

The Republican party needs to champion black conservatives and help them in the above mission.

Stop pandering to them as a group and start appealing to them as individuals. They don’t need the party, the party needs them.

labrat on July 2, 2008 at 12:32 AM

McCain should throw Powell under the bus.

He’s proved himself poor at warfare (the shameful and unnecessary aftermath of the First Iraq War- vaporously called “The Gulf War”- which necessitated the Second Iraq War ), lousy at intelligence estimating (WMD speech at UN), a bad judge of character (Armitage), and indecisive about what he wants (McCain? Obama?)

Barry’s got plenty of room under his Trailways.

profitsbeard on July 2, 2008 at 12:38 AM

I would rather have Oprah’s endorsement…

right2bright on July 2, 2008 at 12:47 AM

Is this thing on?

The Race Card on July 1, 2008 at 11:59 PM

Dear TRC, so sorry that I didn’t check back in here sooner.

You are indeed crazy psychic :)

On a serious note, you’re great. Believe it or not, I do understand you. You have no idea how much fun I have with people as the days are long. It’s incredibly rewarding to be different/unique, if one is secure.

Entelechy on July 2, 2008 at 1:22 AM

Entelechy on July 2, 2008 at 1:22 AM

Word up.

The Race Card on July 2, 2008 at 1:35 AM

And…yeah I already knew that stuff about you. You know, the whole psychic superhero thing. But I appreciate your penchant for clarity.

The Race Card on July 2, 2008 at 1:46 AM

Yeah AP is right this isn’t going to be a real shocker….I mean c’mon he’s black. Statistically, with somewhere around 90% of black Democrats supporting Obama, the number has to be high as well in the general election.

My guess that it would close to 90% of blacks in America that will vote for Obama in November (unless a past affair with a white woman springs up out of nowhere) Otherwise the black community is in lock step to vote for Obama.

Colin Powell while an honorable fellow, wasn’t know for his strong conservative values or really was only a quasi-GOP star. I agree with AP, it would be more of a surprise if Colin Powell backed McCain.

sheryl on July 2, 2008 at 2:26 AM

sheryl on July 2, 2008 at 2:26 AM

So because a majority of blacks vote Democrat that means that every single black votes Democrat? I’m not following you here. Regardless of the candidate 85%+ of blacks in America vote Democrat; would you say the same thing about Powell if there was a white Democratic candidate and it was likely 90% of blacks would vote for him/her?

Nonfactor on July 2, 2008 at 6:16 AM

I read somewhere that Chuck Hagel would like to be Obama’s VP

flenser on July 1, 2008 at 7:24 PM

Powell’s no Lieberman, that’s for sure.

MrScribbler on July 1, 2008 at 8:02 PM

Obama/Hagel
McCain/Lieberman

That’ll stir things up.

soundingboard on July 2, 2008 at 6:32 AM

Powell is a man without a home. Armitage burned his credibility in the Plame fiasco. The only thing he offers Obama is the visual image of senior black leadership.

JAW on July 1, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Don’t kid yourself. Powell, who thinks very highly of himself, was humiliated after the yellowcake incident. He had opposed invading Iraq (as he did before Gulf War I, until Saddam marched into Kuwait while Powell was busy building up forces in Saudi Arabia). He felt, wrongly, that Bush and Cheney had manipulated him and injured his dignity. Armitage took revenge for his boss by stirring up the Plame controversy.

This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with Powell’s glorified image of himself.

Nichevo on July 2, 2008 at 7:01 AM

Senator Obama will lose 50 of 50. There are two reasons for this. First, he is more liberal than McGovern (who lost 49 of 50) so there will be few Republican crossovers and true independents do not support politicians this liberal. Second, and no one is addressing this directly and this is the real killer for him, the LARGE number of regular DEMOCRATS (working class Joe’s) that are racist. He will lose and lose huge.

CC

CapedConservative on July 2, 2008 at 7:08 AM

I predicted back in early Feb. that Powell would back Obama. On Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer he seemed to be headed in that direction.

I posted the short video HERE

I pretty much saw this coming when Powell knew that Richard Armitage was the Plame leaker and let the Bush administrationers take the hit.

Powell is a new kind of Republican.

Amy Proctor on July 2, 2008 at 10:04 AM

“So because a majority of blacks vote Democrat that means that every single black votes Democrat? I’m not following you here. Regardless of the candidate 85%+ of blacks in America vote Democrat; would you say the same thing about Powell if there was a white Democratic candidate and it was likely 90% of blacks would vote for him/her?”

If Harry Reid crossed party lines to vote for Mitt Romney I would say the same thing I’m saying about Powell. I would say Reid was motivated by the religion they share.

Black conservatives (the majority not all but a lot) I believe will vote for Obama because he’s black. Plus with Obama tacking so far to the right now, it will be even harder for them to vote for McCain.

sheryl on July 2, 2008 at 2:28 PM

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