Alleged CIA report: Bin Laden has kidney disease, mere months to live

posted at 1:45 pm on July 1, 2008 by Allahpundit

The CIA says it’s never heard of the report, other counterterror experts say stories about Osama’s health are conflicting, and by best accounts the trail went stone cold years ago. And yet here we are with a dynamite leak, conveniently just a few days after the NYT bombshell about administration paralysis in the search for Bin Laden. I don’t want to say “I question the timing,” but I question the timing:

Now, the CIA has produced a report saying that bin Laden has long-term kidney disease, and may have only months to live, two U.S. officials familiar with the report tell TIME. The agency ostensibly managed to get the names of some of the medications bin Laden is taking, and one U.S. official familiar with the report, which came out between six and nine months ago, says it concluded, “Based on his current pharmaceutical intake [we] would expect that he has no more than six to 18 months to live and impending kidney failure.”

That prognosis, along with some on-the-ground intelligence and a well-aimed Hellfire missile, will get you a dead terrorist leader. Close watchers of the al-Qaeda terror network find such reports inherently unreliable. “It’s trying to make a diagnosis from thousands of miles away with only fragments of the medical chart,” says Paul Pillar, former top analyst and deputy director of the CIA’s counterterrorism center, who now teaches at Georgetown University. Says Frances Fragos Townsend, who stepped down last November as chief of President George W. Bush’s Homeland Security Council, “I’ve read all the same conflicting reports [on bin Laden's health] that people have talked to you about. I never found one set of reporting more persuasive than another.”

The CIA, for its part, is disavowing the claims attributed to the report. “I have found no one here familiar with this alleged report or the analytic line it supposedly conveys,” says Paul Gimigliano, a CIA spokesman. “The fact that anonymous sources attribute views to the CIA is not, by itself, reason to believe the agency actually holds those views,” he says.

Yeah, note that the two sources cited in the piece are identified merely as “U.S. officials,” not CIA. The best recent window onto Osama’s whereabouts that I’ve read is this “Deep Background” post from NBC, which addresses the kidney rumors head on: “He does NOT have kidney failure and does NOT need dialysis. He has had kidney stones. He is also seen as somewhat of a hypochondriac. He is missing a toe, lost in a battle against the Soviets. He reportedly has an enlarged heart and chronically low blood pressure, which he treats with drugs.” Maybe it’s the heart condition that’s responsible for his “pharmaceutical intake”? Exit question: If Bush has known for six to nine months that Bin Laden has only six to 18 months to live, what was he doing in London a few weeks ago asking for help with one last push to kill or capture him before he leaves office? And if the answer to that is that he wants to bring him to justice before death denies him the chance, then what’s with the delay on giving the order for Special Ops to go in as chronicled in the NYT piece?

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I heard that five years ago. Scary that apparently I heard it that much earlier than the CIA….

Think_b4_speaking on July 1, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Richard Miniter effectively destroyed the rumor that bin Ladd3e3n has liver disease in his book “Disinformaion, 22 media myths that undermine the war on terror.”

Miniter shows that there is no proof whatever that bin Laden has any liver disease.

Warner Todd Huston on July 1, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Yeah, definitely accient news. Wasn’t he on dialysis back in Tora Bora? Those kidneys are holding up remarkably well.

NeighborhoodCatLady on July 1, 2008 at 1:50 PM

“U.S. officials,” – Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame?

kirkill on July 1, 2008 at 1:50 PM

And if the answer to that is that he wants to bring him to justice before death denies him the chance

I don’t know, but I would hope that would be his attitude. He doesn’t deserve a natural death.

Esthier on July 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Um… he’s only had months to live for 8 years…

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/kidney.asp

Beo on July 1, 2008 at 1:54 PM

BERT IT EVIL!!!!

right4life on July 1, 2008 at 1:57 PM

Osama should be trying to get into the U.S. at whatever cost, he would get Constitutional protections AND first-class medical care courtesy of the American taxpayer. Hell, Baracky would probably make him his campaign manager.

Bishop on July 1, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Bin Laden has kidney disease, mere months to live

Maybe he’ll hang on long enough to see if Americans vote for Obama. He and all the other world terrorists would welcome a change in DC, less of their friends being killed on the battlefield ..

wise_man on July 1, 2008 at 1:59 PM

We can get info on his prescriptions but not his whereabouts???? Just station troops at the pharmacy (there is probably only one in the area) and grab him when he picks up his next set of drugs.
/sarc

HawaiiLwyr on July 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM

I think Bert killed him a long time ago. We’ve been chasing the wrong target all these years. It’s really Bert! Bin Laden is a distraction! Bert is the real culprit! Distraction!

Weebork on July 1, 2008 at 2:04 PM

You guys, Bu$h is waiting until the next Yearly Kos convention to spring the big news of an Osama capture, thus wrenching the spotlight away from the real story of people powered government. Duh.

VolMagic on July 1, 2008 at 2:04 PM

You mean to tell me that the mujahedeen can’t afford a dialysis machine for Ol’ Sammy’s cave?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 1, 2008 at 2:06 PM

VolMagic on July 1, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Sadly, a lot of the nutroots actually believe that.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 1, 2008 at 2:07 PM

We can get info on his prescriptions but not his whereabouts???? Just station troops at the pharmacy (there is probably only one in the area) and grab him when he picks up his next set of drugs.
/sarc

HawaiiLwyr on July 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM

Your comment in the <sarc> tag is probably more accurate than you think. If intel knows that certain medecines are being funneled to bin Laden, you can bet they’re probably following the stream. At least I would be.

Beo on July 1, 2008 at 2:07 PM

I don’t know, but I would hope that would be his attitude. He doesn’t deserve a natural death.

Esthier on July 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Deserve it or not, if he’s not dead yet, die already. I could care less how.

Those who said that he’d rejoice that Obama wins, I don’t think so. His kind love having a raison d’etre to fight.

Entelechy on July 1, 2008 at 2:09 PM

I heard he has a terminal case of taco neck as well.

Chuck Schick on July 1, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Ditto the first poster.
Just drop a MOAB on him, that will settle it.

Christine on July 1, 2008 at 2:15 PM

If intel knows that certain medecines are being funneled to bin Laden, you can bet they’re probably following the stream. At least I would be.

Beo on July 1, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Yep, that sure smells funny to me. Sounds more like a recycled fourth hand rumor than, say, a prescription slip. Because if we were actually that close, I’d like to think he’d be all boxed up by now.

TexasDan on July 1, 2008 at 2:15 PM

That picture of bin Laden with “Evil Bert” always cracks me up!

CP on July 1, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Bin Laden died back in Dec 2001 when we bombed the caves at Tora Bora. What I can not understand is why the government and media keeps hyping the fact of him being alive. This guy was a media whore that was releasing 2 to 3 videos a month, but after he died there has not been a single verifiable video, photo or recording to prove otherwise. When are people going to wake up to this fact?

JeffinSac on July 1, 2008 at 2:19 PM

I would prefer that he die of lead poisoning from multiple rifles fired by American Forces!

old trooper on July 1, 2008 at 2:22 PM

There were rumors of bin Laden’s kidney disease and being on dialysis circulating around the French press (including on TV) about four and five years ago, always followed by a video showing bin Laden supposedly commenting on current events (if translations from Arabic are to be believed). If Bin Laden was really on dialysis, somebody should have been able to track the meds to his hideout, and call down a Hellfire on him.

I’ll believe bin Laden had kidney disease when the autopsy results come in, and hope that it’s performed ASAP.

Steve Z on July 1, 2008 at 2:23 PM

JeffinSac on July 1, 2008 at 2:19 PM

That 04 pre election vid was pretty good fake then.

Limerick on July 1, 2008 at 2:25 PM

I’ll believe it when I see his corpse.

Bob's Kid on July 1, 2008 at 2:29 PM

No! He will be missed~

carbon_footprint on July 1, 2008 at 2:30 PM

That picture of bin Laden with “Evil Bert” always cracks me up!

CP on July 1, 2008 at 2:17 PM

EVIL BURT is a web CLASSIC!!!

Burt doing drugs with ernie…raping prairie dawn..hanging with Hitler and Klan…even at the JFK assasination…

he’s behind the evil in the world today…

right4life on July 1, 2008 at 2:30 PM

That prognosis, along with some on-the-ground intelligence and a well-aimed Hellfire missile, will get you a dead terrorist leader.

When you care enough to send the very best.

hillbillyjim on July 1, 2008 at 2:31 PM

I heard that five years ago. Scary that apparently I heard it that much earlier than the CIA….

Think_b4_speaking on July 1, 2008 at 1:48 PM

heh. CIA rehash sh*t as a diversion.
Whenever the CIA say anything, look out.

maverick muse on July 1, 2008 at 2:37 PM

That 04 pre election vid was pretty good fake then.

Yes it was, but exactly as you stated it was fake and NOT verified.
Was Bin Laden’s last video faked?

The point of departure for the debate is something not noted at the time: that of the 25 minutes of video tape, only three and a half minutes, were moving video. The rest was covered by a still image or a frozen still. Moreover, the still covered the only time references on the 25 minute of tape— references to political developments in Iraq, Britain and France. This lead to the suspicion that the video is not new, but disguised to appear as new.

Yes I can get some old voice clips of Bin Laden and dub them over pictures also.

Last time they had a verified record of his voice was during the Tora Bora fight on a hand-held transmitter

You have proof besides some fake videos please post it.

JeffinSac on July 1, 2008 at 2:39 PM

He’s been pushing daisies for over six years.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on July 1, 2008 at 2:40 PM

He’s just a figurehead. Besides, he’s a CIA creation. Can’t they help patch up their own guy?

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JammieWearingFool on July 1, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Just station troops at the pharmacy (there is probably only one in the area)

Don’t bet on it. There’s probably a CVS on one side of the cave entrance and a Walgreen’s on the other. Then, across the donkey path, you’ll have a Rite-Aid. Super Wal-Mart is everywhere so there’ll be one in there. We’ll need more troops.

slug on July 1, 2008 at 2:43 PM

I call BS. I think it Lawrence Wright’s “The Looming Tower” where the myth of OBL’s kidney disease was exposed. I believe it was a supposition based on a rumor of a sighting at a hospital.

landshark on July 1, 2008 at 2:47 PM

I remember the kidney disease rumors from all the way back in 2001, and would assume that they’re still bunk. But the bit about the enlarged heart is interesting. Given that along with his thinness and height, I wonder if he has Marfan syndrome?

Blacklake on July 1, 2008 at 2:50 PM

JeffinSac on July 1, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Er…think we are crossed up here. I agree that the 07 vid was most likely a fake. Gateway Pundit did a side by side comparison of it with the 04 vid. The 04 Vid, in which our pal referenced both Bush and Kerry came out on October 29th.

That vid is the comparison vid that your source, MSNBC and Gateway Pundit used against the 07 video.

Either way there is no ‘proof’ one way or the other. I hope the SOB is dancing with the worms.

Limerick on July 1, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Wow, I didn’t know dead people could get kidney disease….

Clark1 on July 1, 2008 at 3:12 PM

This reminds me of all the coverage when Arafat was transferred to France in ’04. I’m supposed to care that a terrorist thug is dying? Sorry, kiddos, my caring button malfunctions about this time every time.

mjk on July 1, 2008 at 3:12 PM

He’s dead, and has been for a long time. The CIA should instead focus on a disinformation campaign saying that he died of a heroin overdose.

Our intelligence agencies probably know he’s dead with reasonable confidence, but can’t afford another black eye thus don’t want to say so without an actual body.

Hollowpoint on July 1, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Apparently, mountain (cave) air is great for staving off kidney disease. He has lasted for years with this affliction…so we’ve been told.

ej_pez on July 1, 2008 at 3:37 PM

This reminds me of all the coverage when Arafat was transferred to France in ‘04. I’m supposed to care that a terrorist thug is dying? Sorry, kiddos, my caring button malfunctions about this time every time.

mjk on July 1, 2008 at 3:12 PM

And the fact that he had some mystery disease that just so happened to have the same symptoms as AIDS, but the French ran interference for him by denying it.

Hollowpoint on July 1, 2008 at 3:45 PM

How do we really know Osama is even alive?

Terrye on July 1, 2008 at 4:22 PM

by best accounts the trail went stone cold years ago.

Yes, the trail went cold when he died. I still believe, based on my experience and the opinions of the Afghans I worked with, that he has been dirt napping for a long while now.

I suppose I wouldn’t be too upset if I was proved wrong by more recent evidence of his demise. Heh.

major john on July 1, 2008 at 7:08 PM

I heard he was seen with Elvis and D. B. Cooper at an oxygen bar in West Covina.

Seriously, the guy’s dead. He’s been dead, is dead, and, will stay dead. Dead. Dead. Dead.

trigon on July 1, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Bring him back here in a tailor made body bag. Hold the ice.

Zorro on July 1, 2008 at 7:33 PM

He has been dead for years.

Johan Klaus on July 1, 2008 at 7:33 PM

He is visiting Jimmy Hoffa

Wade on July 1, 2008 at 7:58 PM

I’m not even in the CIA, and I can tell you for a fact that Osama is dead.

SoulGlo on July 1, 2008 at 9:21 PM