Obama’s Illinois votes on guns

posted at 4:57 pm on June 30, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

As Robert Novak noted today, voters could find it difficult to get a read on Barack Obama’s real feelings about the rights of gun owners and the constitutionality of gun bans.  Obama has certainly made his position opaque with a number of contradictory statements in this campaign.  Perhaps the tribulations of Hale DeMar and the legislative response to an act of self-defense can help make Obama’s impulses a little more transparent.

Hale DeMar confronted a burglar in his home in December 2003 and shot him twice, forcing the burglar to flee and to seek medical care.  Police arrested Mario Billings at the hospital, but they also charged DeMar with a misdemeanor for owning a handgun:

A 55-year-old Wilmette man was charged Thursday with weapons violations after he shot and wounded a burglar in his home more than a week ago.

Hale DeMar, of 35 Linden Ave. in the north suburb, was charged with a misdemeanor for violating a state law that required firearm owners to have a valid Firearm Owner’s Identification card, Wilmette police Officer Roger Ockrim said in a news release. DeMar was also cited for violating a village code that prohibits possession of handguns in Wilmette, the release said. Violation of the ordinance is a petty offense carrying a maximum fine of $750 upon conviction.

At the time, Wilmette had its ban in place for 14 years.  When the state legislature discovered that Wilmette had essentially charged DeMar for defending his home, several members moved a new law that essentially barred prosecution on handgun bans that arose from incidents of true self-defense.  That bill, SB2165, was filed within three weeks of the incident, and took four months to wend its way through the legislature.

On May 25, 2004, the bill finally passed both houses — but without the support of Barack Obama.   He voted against SB2165, which didn’t even go so far as to remove the Wilmette handgun ban, but only prevented enforcement in cases of real self-defense.  It passed nonetheless, 41-16.

However, the governor vetoed the bill almost three months later, while the legislature was out of session.  The original sponsor, Edward Petka, then moved to override the veto in November, and Obama didn’t vote at all on this day.  The veto got overridden anyway.

If Obama really believed that the DC gun ban “went too far”, as he said last week, then why did he vote against SB2165, which didn’t even go as far as Heller in its scope?  Protecting a citizen who successfully defended his home against a criminal who could have done great harm to his family seems like a reasonable, moderate position to take — especially for someone who now professes opposition to outright gun bans such as the one in Wilmette.  Instead, Obama voted to allow victims like DeMar to get victimized a second time by a criminal-justice system more interested in disarming law-abiding citizens than in prosecuting the real perpetrators of crime in the community.

Barack Obama’s record looks clear on guns.  He not only supported gun bans, but he supported prosecuting acts of self-defense.  (via Hot Air reader Meg K.)


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Those pesky internet blogs…always digging up these pesky little truths…

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Barack Obama’s record looks clear on guns.

Come on Ed.

We all know Obambi views are clear as crystal.

Being a modern Democrat would be enough. But the fact he’s also a flaming marxist liberal solidifies it.

He’s a gun grabber, plain and simple.

catmman on June 30, 2008 at 5:04 PM

No guns allowed on da bus. Just run right over the 2nd Amendment.

Brat on June 30, 2008 at 5:06 PM

Wilmette will suspend enforcement of the ban while attorneys decide whether the ruling applies to them, said Village President Chris Canning.

From the Chicago Tribune.
It’s been a non-enforced law for some time but it’s nice to see it go.

CBarker on June 30, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Let’s ask Obama if the Chicago ban is unconstitutional.

mad saint jack on June 30, 2008 at 5:07 PM

wow. too bad only a very few people will see this at all. let alone see it for what it is.

bbz123 on June 30, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Here’s a link to the trib article.

Beware of spontaneous running video on the page though.

CBarker on June 30, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Nuance. Too bad all of that is too complex for the average Democrat voter.

kirkill on June 30, 2008 at 5:10 PM

Lying elite moonbat

pat on June 30, 2008 at 5:11 PM

A what? A village code!

What kind of (Takes a Village)Village has this
kind of crazy code,and been prosecuted for protecting
your family!

Uumm,a little of the beaten path,but didn’t Obama
say,that after conception,a father’s job wasn’t done,
so where’s Obama’s compassion on this guy defending
his home!

Question,Has Obama ever fired a gun,owned a gun,ever
hunted,lets make this even simpler,has Obama ever
operated a nice sling-shot!

canopfor on June 30, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Its A BO that BO does not know. Bringing up his record does noting for his kids while he eats his waffles.

BroncosRock on June 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM

They try to portray this guy in editorials (DeMar) as a premeditated killer that lay in wait of a burglar to shoot, after a set of house keys came up missing.
Doesn’t really matter to me if they had keys or broke a window.

CBarker on June 30, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Change We Can Believe In (yakkkk)

Dingbat63 on June 30, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Wait a tick,sumpin ain’t right with this,
Obama braggs about nasty dirty politics
coming out of Chicago!

And we’ve all heard how colourful Chicago’s
past has been,and Obama doesn’t support guns!

Me thinks someone should do a background check,
after all,with the Lib’s whinning about fiearms,
Obama might get the codes to the entire nuclear
arsenal!!!!!—————–jus sayin!

canopfor on June 30, 2008 at 5:23 PM

Mr. Malleable never studied to live by Matthew 7.

Contemplate the US Constitution as “truth”:

Everyone who hears words of truth and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of truth and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it was completely destroyed. The crowds were amazed because this teaching was given from one emminating authority, and not as their teachers of the law.

maverick muse on June 30, 2008 at 5:26 PM

“SB2165 isn’t the SB2165 I knew.”–BHO

maverick muse on June 30, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Bunch of Racists.

SARCASM

Rick on June 30, 2008 at 5:29 PM

I’m shocked…
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sarcasm off

Kaptain Amerika on June 30, 2008 at 5:30 PM

Just went back and re-read the article again.

voters could find it difficult to get a read on Barack Obama’s real feelings

Gee Bob, ya think?
Brilliant.
sarcasm dripping all over…

CBarker on June 30, 2008 at 5:34 PM

He was obviously voting to protect his constituents from those pesky suburban homeowners.

Buddahpundit on June 30, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Wow. Burglar in house. Bang. You get pinched. Only in America Libland.

Contrasting story today from Texas. Man no-billed by grand jury for shooting two burglars breaking into his NEIGHBOR’S house. Would that have been a murder charge in Illinois?

Limerick on June 30, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Great find, Captain Ed!

Obama was part of the overridden minority, even in his own state!

But he’s for CHANGE. You don’t like his positions, he’ll CHANGE them!

Steve Z on June 30, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Obama voted against gun ownership before he voted for it.

winemkr on June 30, 2008 at 6:18 PM

But Barack is so winning-looking.

And clean.

(All of these annoying facts about guns and dealing with dictators and crazy preachers and terrorist pals are merely things to be ignored by the true believers as Obama plods forward on his “inevitable” march to the Oval Office.)

Barry’s campaign strategy:

My positions? Heck, I can be in any position you want!

(Doubled-jointed, with faces to match.)

profitsbeard on June 30, 2008 at 6:27 PM

now he’s throwing guns under the bus?

MarkTheGreat on June 30, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Damnit Ed, that doesn’t count. He meant to vote ‘present’. A simple mistake, that’s all.

hillbillyjim on June 30, 2008 at 7:00 PM

It’s a good thing there’s a lot of wheels on the BHO train, ’cause they come off with a high degree of regularity. The one’s he doesn’t toss under the bus, that is.

JimK on June 30, 2008 at 9:02 PM

These facts could make an effective ad to show the shameless lies of Obama.
.
It seems that democrats value this trait.

Right_of_Attila on June 30, 2008 at 9:05 PM

If Obama, or anyone else for that matter, wants my arms, then I have one simple thing to say to them: molon labe!
Μολὼν λαβέ

I wonder how the warrior societies in history would have responded to: “Alright everyone, listen up! You may only have a short sword, but no battle axes, maces, or long swords in your homes, understand?”

Send_Me on June 30, 2008 at 9:45 PM

As Robert Novak noted today, voters could find it difficult to get a read on Barack Obama’s real feelings about the rights of gun owners and the constitutionality of gun bans.

PUHL-LEEEZ Novak, get your head out of your arse. All the Illinois voters have to do is read Barack Hussein Obama’s past voting record to see exactly where he stands. He was anti-2nd Amendment Rights. His NEW political position isn’t surprising at all. Tip, that’s why his main breakfast dish is waffles…Jeez!

byteshredder on June 30, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Not to worry. The NRA is sure to have a read on every single bit of usable Obama Second Amendment history.

Once the NRA decides the time is right the ads are going to be factual and devastating. They will have the details that will be impossible for Obama to deny as being his.

Yoop on July 1, 2008 at 12:20 AM

The NRA’s info on Obama is here.

Here is an audio clip with John Lott on the Roger Hedgecock radio show.

Lott talk about how he knew Obama in Chicago and Obama told him that no one should be able to own guns.

The Lott interview starts after the half-way point in the audio clip.

mad saint jack on July 1, 2008 at 1:41 AM

Here’s a pleasant dream: Obama on “Meet the Press” listening to Tim Russert quoting Obama’s contradictory statements on gun control, then asking how these statements can be reconciled.

Of course, the Changeling would dismiss the entire matter as a distraction, and would probably add, “This isn’t helping my kids.”

Or he would characterize it as questioning his patriotism, and he recently informed us that he won’t tolerate that.

glendower on July 1, 2008 at 8:34 AM

Obama voted against gun ownership before he voted for it.

winemkr on June 30, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Bambi never voted for gun ownership. Hell, he hardly ever votes at all on anything. Wouldn’t want to leave a record behind for the voters to judge.

RickZ on July 1, 2008 at 8:35 AM