How stupid is Wesley Clark? Update: Joe Repya responds

posted at 8:31 am on June 30, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

After decades in the news business, Bob Schieffer may have thought he’d heard it all — until yesterday on Face the Nation, when he interviewed Wesley Clark. Clark came as a surrogate for the Barack Obama campaign and attacked John McCain’s military service, saying that he was “untested and untried”. After Schieffer pointed out that McCain commanded the largest naval air squadron, had honorably endured over five years of torture as a POW in Vietnam, and had been on the Senate Armed Services committee since Obama was in college, Schieffer asked how Clark could claim that McCain was “untested and untried”. Clark stunned him with this answer:

Because in the matters of national security policy making, it’s a matter of understanding risk, it’s a matter of gauging your opponents and it’s a matter of being held accountable. John McCain’s never done any of that in his official positions. I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands of millions of others in the armed forces as a prisoner of war. He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee and he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn’t held executive responsibility. That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded wasn’t a wartime squadron. He hasn’t been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn’t seen what it’s like when diplomats come in and say, `I don’t know whether we’re going to be able to get this point through or not. Do you want to take the risk? What about your reputation? How do we handle it publicly?

At which point, Schieffer — after a stunned moment — pointed this out to Clark:

SCHIEFFER: I have to say, Barack Obama has not had any of those experiences either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down. I mean…

Let’s point out a few things about Barack Obama:

  •  In “the matter of national security policy making.” Barack Obama hasn’t ever done anything.
  • In the matter of gauging your “opponents”, Obama wants to meet with them without preconditions despite having no national-security, military, or diplomatic experience.
  • Barack Obama hasn’t been on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
  • Barack Obama hasn’t had any executive experience.
  • Barack Obama hasn’t commanded anything, in wartime or not.
  • Barack Obama hasn’t dealt with diplomats in any capacity at all.
  • Barack Obama hasn’t ordered the bombs to fall, although to be fair, he has associated himself with someone who has — William Ayers.

Not only can every argument Clark made get applied more to Obama than to McCain, he has now made it clear that the Obama strategy is to demean and belittle McCain’s military service — and by extension, military service in general.  This will undoubtedly play very well among Obama’s nutcase fringe supporters as well as idiotic fired commanders of NATO, but that’s a mighty thin list of voters.  The rest of the nation will hear these attacks and stand aghast at the dishonorable and outrageously stupid disparagement of a lifetime of service to this nation and understand with crystal clarity the radical nature of Barack Obama and his team.

Nor is this the first such attack on McCain’s service.  Democrats have belittled it on several occasions now.  In May, it was Bill Gillespie, another Obama backer in Georgia and a candidate for the House.  In the same month, Senator Tom Harkin questioned McCain’s mental state for having willingly served in the military.  In April, Jay Rockefeller accused McCain of being more or less a coward for being a military pilot, and again in May the New York Times quoted unnamed Senate colleagues of McCain suggesting that he didn’t understand the Vietnam War because he didn’t fight on the ground and spent most of it lounging around Hanoi in a POW camp.

John McCain put his life on the line for his country.  Barack Obama has not.  While I have never thought that military service was a prerequisite to public office, it certainly gives one a lot more experience and is an asset for the presidency.  And as a bottom line, a candidate whose campaign denigrates military service shows himself as unfit for the role of Commander in Chief.

Wes Clark has done Barack Obama no favors, and as the record shows, it’s not just Wes Clark.  The Democrats plan on attacking the military throughout this campaign.  Obama cannot expect anyone to buy his claims of “a new kind of politics”, unless Obama means that he plans to plumb new lows in class and intelligence in 2008.

Update: The legendary Lt. Col. Joe Repya (ret.) of the 101st Airborne — a man I’m proud to have as a friend — responds in his new Eagle’s Nest blog:

Barack Obama and the National Democratic Party should immediately denounce and dismiss General Clark from any future campaigning in this election year, but he and the Democrats will not! As Ed Morrissey points out, this is a planned attack on John McCain’s character.

The Obama Campaign, using their surrogates, have attacked McCain’s age, mental state, bravery and honesty. Is this the “change” that everyone wants in Washington? A ambitious young politician bent on personal destruction of an opponents record and accomplishments? How dare Obama and his minions attack the military record of John McCain. Where and when did Obama serve? What sacrifice has he or his family made on the battlefield? ….

Listen people, I have met General Wes Clark and I can tell you he is no General David Petraeus, anymore then Barack Obama is the quality of John McCain!

Col. Repya is not one to mince words.  Expect to hear more about this from Joe, and keep an eye on his new blog as he gets settled into the (obsessive) routine of blogging.  (And yes, I warned him about the obsession ….)


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I’m no big McCain fan by any stretch. But look at the quality of ex-military men Obambi has around him:
Gen. Merrill McPeak (actually part of the Obambi campaign)
Gen. Wesley Clark (cheerleader, jockey)
Two of the biggest military losers of the last half-century.
catmman on June 30, 2008 at 12:58 PM

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Don’t forget Jimmie Carter and his service as a Nuke-U-Lar engineer, before he got bounced out of the Navy and claimed he was needed to run the family peanut farm.

Right_of_Attila on June 30, 2008 at 2:17 PM

I wonder if Bob sees this Barack/Hillary thing as a Scheiffer/Couric thing?

Oh, Wesley…about countries that never attacked us…

The irony.

Black Adam on June 30, 2008 at 2:21 PM

I think what Clark said, basically, is meaningless. Afterall, being shot down and being a POW does in fact NOT automatically qualify you for the job of presidency.

But there goes that damn liberal media again. attacking the left while not attacking the old tax dodger’s best pal, Joe Momentum for bring out all four suites of the “scare” card.

Monkei on June 30, 2008 at 2:30 PM

I’m convinced that the idiot Dems think that they are “swift boating” McCain by questioning his service. It actually never occurs to them that the reason that Kerry was derailed by the swift boat vets is because he really was a coward, a liar and a traitor. They think it’s just because the GOP found military types to attack him…….

Priscilla on June 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM

“How stupid is Wesley Clark?”

Sounds like a gameshow.

I’ll say not as stupid as damp sponge, but more stupid than a cinder block.

Am I close?

SuperCool on June 30, 2008 at 2:39 PM

“How stupid is Wesley Clark?”

Well, first you’d have to know how stupid any human can be, then drop that amount by at least 50%
You’d be in the ballpark.

Sasnak on June 30, 2008 at 2:39 PM

I hereby rename the general to Wussley Clark.

Next to the terms male wuss there s/b Wussley’s picture.

What a weasel!

Entelechy on June 30, 2008 at 2:40 PM

How stupid is Clark? Divide Forrest Gump by 2 and multiply by a grapefruit.

HotAirExpert on June 30, 2008 at 2:55 PM

How did this idiot ever get promoted to General? Did he get promoted to his level of incompetence? He once wanted to attack Russian soldiers temporarily holding an airport in Kosovo, until he was (fortunately) overruled by a British general who didn’t want to start World War III.

That British general? General Sir Mike Jackson.

So, in answer to Ed’s question, “how stupid is Wesley Clark,” Michael Jackson has more brains (and strategic military sense) than he does.

;-)

baldilocks on June 30, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Virus-X on June 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM

I’m not disagreeing with you here but just how relevant IS McCain’s military experience (over 30 years ago) to the job of President in 2009?

I wish more politicians were veterans but isn’t the reason why we “should” be voting for McCain in November is all the wonderful things he has done in the Senate? Isn’t that where his supposedly relevant experience for the Presidency really came to fruition?

highhopes on June 30, 2008 at 3:09 PM

I hereby rename the general to Wussley Clark.

Next to the terms male wuss there s/b Wussley’s picture.

What a weasel!

Entelechy on June 30, 2008 at 2:40 PM

I used to call him “Weasley” Clark, but I have to say I like your idea better. “Wussley” it is.

thirteen28 on June 30, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Judgement! Judgement! Yes General Clark, Obama has excellent judgement. Shall I start mentioning all the class acts he was associated with over a stretch of twenty years in Chicago politics?

Tell me something General Clark, did a bomb ever go off too close to you when you were in the military?

tazmebro on June 30, 2008 at 3:28 PM

I know this sounds awful, but I HOPE the Obama camp allows Weasley to continue making these kinds of statements. It will only help McCain more. KEEP ‘EM COMIN’, MS. CLARK! You weasel!

MsUnderestimated on June 30, 2008 at 3:34 PM

What a dumb ass this fool is. He just sunk any hopes in his plitical future by exposing his utter stupidity.

Nice job!

saiga on June 30, 2008 at 3:39 PM

I really can’t stomach this guy.

Maxx on June 30, 2008 at 3:43 PM

That British general? General Sir Mike Jackson.

So, in answer to Ed’s question, “how stupid is Wesley Clark,” Michael Jackson has more brains (and strategic military sense) than he does.

;-)

baldilocks on June 30, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Oh. My.

Texas Gal on June 30, 2008 at 3:46 PM

bobama is consistent in ONE matter; he fails to deliver apologies (and fails to accept apologies). Just as Clark is endorsing himself vs. McCain for POTUS, Rush replayed the endorsement Clark made for Kerry/POTUS on the very military experience that Clark denigrates McCain for having under his belt.

PATRIOTISM? Love of your fellow American to the point where McCain, a prisoner of the VietCong, when offered to be released as a favor to his Admiral father refuses partiality and stays in prison, suffering with his fellow American captured service men. Stuff that in your crack, BO!

bobama attempts to place himself on McCain’s heroic level by endorsing himself instead of castigating Clark or even simply apologizing in fact to McCain directly. bobama by inference blames McCain’s campaign by equating the two campaigns in his flop of an excuse for himself, lifting himself above himself.

Audacity is not a desirable attribute. Audacity repulses allies and enemies alike, utterly lacking diplomacy. BHO is the quintessential audacious POTUS candidate pickling in his own dope hope.

bobama’s qualifications: zero falling quickly into the negative black hole of audacity without quality or substance. He is unwilling to acknowledge his professional inferiority so he’s stuck with his limitations having spent all of his time honing the teleprompter delivery. That skill only qualifies him to be a newscaster. That bobama is unwilling/unable to address his deep Constitutional failings carries into his illegitimate “expertise” of law. In all substantial matters BHO fails to deliver anything beyond voter registrations and illicit favors for criminals.

Now as ubertards wield their machetes, they scream “moral superiority” to cleanse the earth with conservative blood, calling conservatives selfish little bastards for disagreeing with them on capitalism or the value of the Enlightenment or the US Constitution. “BOBAMA! YOU ARE OUR LAST HOPE! WE WILL HAVE UNLIMITED POWER!”

“Just say no.”–Nancy Reagan

maverick muse on June 30, 2008 at 3:57 PM

I think what Clark said, basically, is meaningless. Afterall, being shot down and being a POW does in fact NOT automatically qualify you for the job of presidency.

Monkei on June 30, 2008 at 2:30 PM

But taking a Swift Boat to Cambodia on the orders of the President-elect does? You really need to get out more.

The problem is that Clark condemned the exact same behavior he exhibited yesterday, in 2006:

“I live by a simple rule. If you wore the uniform, if you served your nation with honor, and especially if you fought and were wounded in battle, then you have earned the right to be treated with respect.”
“That’s why I am so outraged that the Republican party has systematically attacked the wartime service and patriotism of veterans who are running for office as Democrats. It is despicable — the sign of a party more concerned about hanging onto power by any means possible than with giving veterans the respect they have earned.”

Gen Wesley Clark (Ret) October 2006

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2008 at 4:03 PM

“The guy who almost started World War III,” (Aug. 3, 1999), The Guardian (U.K.):

“No sooner are we told by Britain’s top generals that the Russians played a crucial role in ending the West’s war against Yugoslavia than we learn that if NATO’s supreme commander, the American General Wesley Clark, had had his way, British paratroopers would have stormed Pristina airport, threatening to unleash the most frightening crisis with Moscow since the end of the Cold War.”

“I’m not going to start the third world war for you,” General Sir Mike Jackson, commander of the international KFOR peacekeeping force, is reported to have told Gen. Clark when he refused to accept an order to send assault troops to prevent Russian troops from taking over the airfield of Kosovo’s provincial capital.”

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2008 at 4:07 PM

John McCain has never suggested that his military service alone qualifies him to be President of the United States. He is running on 26 years of public service in addition to his military service.

He refused to make military service an issue against George Bush in 2000 or against any of the other GOP candidates this time around. He defended John Kerry against the SBVFT in 2004.

It is a massive indicator of the Democrats’ fear of McCain that they think it is necessary or helpful to attack his military record. The Democrats never, ever, ever thought McCain would win the Republican nomination. They expected to be running against a “chickenhawk” like Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney who did not serve.

rockmom on June 30, 2008 at 4:18 PM

He refused to make military service an issue against George Bush in 2000 or against any of the other GOP candidates this time around.

How was military service an issue against GWB? Bush served in the National Guard. Cranky old bastard went out after GWB on the angle that running a large state wasn’t nearly sufficient experience to run the nation. He also went out after Bush on the faith angle and that cost him South Carolina and the nomination. McCain spent the next eight years seeking to undermine the GOP and eradicate any trace of social conservatism and evangelical support from the agenda. That’s why he’s going to lose in November. All those social conservatives and “Jesus Freaks” might vote for him as the lesser of two evils but there won’t be the grassroots support that got GWB elected twice.

Face it, McCain is just not a candidate that conservatives can support without feeling filthy afterward. McCain is a political Judas who has betrayed conservatives too many times to count. He is a mean bitter old man who still holds a grudge that he lost the nomination in 2000. He almost jumped parties in 2004. McCain may or may not be better than Obama but he’s not somebody that Republicans are willingly supporting in large numbers. None of that is going to change because McCain clearly doesn’t care about attracting traditional Republicans to his cause.

highhopes on June 30, 2008 at 4:28 PM

(Not gonna read all the comments, so my apologies if other people have already said this:)

Well, Clark is about as ‘book smart’ and high IQ as they come.

As far as translating that to the real world, he is an abject failure and a complete imbecile.
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But To play the headline game: “How stupid is Weaselly Clark?”:
He is so stupid that by comparison, McCain seems to be at least average.
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The Dems HAVE to try to attack McCain in these specious manners as Clark, Kerry etc. do…. If they attacked him on his political positions, Other than Iraq and to a lesser extent, general militery defense, the average Democrat voter would prefer McCain to the empty suit that is their nominee.

LegendHasIt on June 30, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Isn’t this a distraction to the campaign and the real issues?

Sergei on June 30, 2008 at 4:52 PM

How was military service an issue against GWB? Bush served in the National Guard

highhopes

Uh, gee, Bush’s ANG unit sent people to Vietnam. Are you implying that National Guard service is inferior to what McCain did?

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Way to misread my comments. What I meant was that McCain COULD HAVE gone after Bush, the way the Democrats did, as a draft dodger. He didn’t. He could have gone after Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee for not serving at all. He didn’t.

rockmom on June 30, 2008 at 5:06 PM

How stupid is Wesley Clark?

Apparently smart enough to keep breathing, but not much smarter than that.

Mallard T. Drake on June 30, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Yes, John McCain’s no leader. All he did was to get shot down in combat and refuse to make a deal with the enemy when “cooperation” would have assured an early release. Meanwhile Obama’s future supporters were spitting on returning US troops and calling them “killers”.

You call him “Wesley Clark.” I call him “Wesley Barf.”

MaiDee on June 30, 2008 at 5:27 PM

How stupid is Clark? Divide Forrest Gump by 2 and multiply by a grapefruit.

HotAirExpert on June 30, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Bwahahahahaha!!!!!! You nailed it!

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GT on June 30, 2008 at 5:27 PM

I don’t think Barack Obama was even ever a Boy Scout…….

Seven Percent Solution on June 30, 2008 at 5:29 PM

This is what happens when you pander to the crowd who cheerfully voted for a guy who proudly “loathed the military”…

Texas Rainmaker on June 30, 2008 at 5:34 PM

I’m reading through the comments and…well,one thing’s go to be clear here:

This guy is not speaking off the cuff here. There’s no way I’m going to believe that this guy’s just out there spilling this bilge out of his own bucket.

This was a set piece all the way. Even if Barry disowns it, it came from the campaign.

Bet on it.

In fact, this way Barry gets a twofer. He gets to take a smack at Maverick with his little toy soldier mouthpiece, then her gets to magnanimously sort of take it back.

Typhoon on June 30, 2008 at 5:37 PM

rockmom on June 30, 2008 at 5:06 PM

How on earth is flying F102s “draft dodging”??? To me, you make the comment without having any idea about how difficult the Delta Dagger was to fly. All jokes about fighter jocks aside (Farva’s comic strip about the fictional Lt. Ken “Barbie” Dahl is a riot). Any fighter pilot flying planes 35 years ago, without the help of modern flight control systems, mission equipment packages or GPS, where planes were designed without any data from supercomputer modeling, took their lives into their hands (similar examples from planes designed back in that day: the Republic F105 Thunderchief wasn’t called “THUD” for nothing; and the Lockheed F104 Starfighter was notorious for being a widowmaker). So to me the charge simply doesn’t wash.

As for the political wh0re that is Wesley Clark, Nate Hale (Spook86) of In From The Cold reminds us about Clark’s famous meeting with Serbian war criminal General Ratko Mladić back in 1994.

If we were serious as a nation about the heinous nature of the good General’s offenses against humanity, Clark’s flippant and irresponsible behavior in this instance should have earned him a date with a firing squad.

At least Clinton fired Clark after Clark almost started WWII with the Russians…

Wanderlust on June 30, 2008 at 5:44 PM

In fact, this way Barry gets a twofer. He gets to take a smack at Maverick with his little toy soldier mouthpiece, then her gets to magnanimously sort of take it back.

In fact, something that occurred to me as soon as I saw it. I believe this was orchestrated all the way, and is therefore merely a sample of the depths to which the Dems will sink to gain power.

psrch on June 30, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Does this not expose the depths of desperation that defines the “soul” of the present day Liberial/Socialistic/Democatic Party?

bucko36 on June 30, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Clark is a blow hole without any steam.

He screwed up the Air Force without thinking twice on what would happen to the People dealing with the Aircraft or the Pilots, of all planes, not just Fighter Pilots.

Tha man is a walking nightmare and is the epitomy of a flawed OC system.

If you don’t believe me, ask anyone who has served in the AF while he was in. That man is a walking nightmare and a complete ignorant fool! Anyone listening to him is usually incompetent themselves or has absolutely no common sense.

upinak on June 30, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Monkei:

Oh please, if Wes Clark had not been in the military he would not be up there running his mouth. The Democrats might not much like the military, but they don’t mind having a man in uniform around if they can use him.

I keep hearing how long the war in Iraq has been, the endless war, blah blah blah. Well our involvement in Iraq has lasted about as long as McCain’s detention and torture. Think about that.

McCain has proven he loves his country. Obama has proven he wants to be president. Real bad. That is the difference.

Terrye on June 30, 2008 at 6:11 PM

Clark is a miserable excuse for a military man. He’s so busy kissing Obama’s boots and putting down McCain, I don’t think he’s even considering how it makes him look.

I’m not crazy about McCain for President, but the more I see of Obama and the people that he uses for his dirty work, the less I want to see this loser in office. Since the only other choice is McCain, he’ll get my vote, no matter how much I have to shower afterwards.

hachiban on June 30, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Wesley Clark is that kiss ass kind of officer that men loathe.

TheSitRep on June 30, 2008 at 6:15 PM

How stupid is Wesley Clark?

I’d give up 10 points and still put money on a slug.

RFA on June 30, 2008 at 6:15 PM

highhopes:

If any conservative can listen to this kind of crap out of a guy like Wesley Clark and still have trouble voting for McCain…they are not real conservatives. They are cry baby sore losers that can not get past the fact that their guy did not get the nomination and so they will suck up to the likes of Obama or Clark to get even.

BTW, a lot of National Guard pilots went on active duty. I have had relatives in the Guard who have been activated to serve in every war since WW2. maybe you don’t think much of the National Guard, but they are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Not to mention doing duty on the border. Just because you have a pathological hatred of McCain does not make it ok to go after the Guard.

Terrye on June 30, 2008 at 6:16 PM

Terrye on June 30, 2008 at 6:16 PM

Terrye, just ignore the losers who do that.

Guard, Active or otherwise (which means DoD) understand. Those who either have no bearing or don’t take the time to ask are just not worthy of a response. If you ignore people like that, they either wisen up, show just how ignorant they are or other. And you can figure out the other.

upinak on June 30, 2008 at 6:18 PM

I keep hearing how long the war in Iraq has been, the endless war, blah blah blah. Well our involvement in Iraq has lasted about as long as McCain’s detention and torture. Think about that.

McCain has proven he loves his country. Obama has proven he wants to be president. Real bad. That is the difference.

Terrye on June 30, 2008 at 6:11 PM

Well said.

Typhoon on June 30, 2008 at 6:19 PM

And by the way highhopes, Bush is out campaigning for McCain right now, apparently he does not consider him to be a Judas.

Terrye on June 30, 2008 at 6:20 PM

And if real Republicans did not want McCain to be the nominee, he would not be. They voted for him. Most Republicans respect McCain’s service to his country, they consider it more important than ideology or any one issue. That is why he won.

Terrye on June 30, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Even if we accept your fantasy that the Swift boat veterans fabricated their charges against Kerry, why were so many willing to believe Kerry capable of the deed? JiangxiDad on June 30, 2008 at 9:57 AM

Everyone to a man, on his boat crews, has backed Lt. Kerry to the gunwales!

The only reason “so many [were] willing to believe” is because negative advertising and spin in political campaigns works. Lee Atwater, Karl Rove and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth as exemplars’ come to mind.

J_Gocht on June 30, 2008 at 6:32 PM

This man irks the asbolute hell out of me.

upinak on June 30, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Had sad and shabby all of the Obama-holics are going to feel on the day after Barry loses the election in November.

They not only will have backed a tyro loser and squandered their reputations on his shallowness, but tried to slander a decent man on the way… merely to gain a slimy political edge.

Hope they all have nightsweats for years, and wake screaming: “NOT THE BUS, BARRY! NOT THE BUS!

profitsbeard on June 30, 2008 at 6:46 PM

Don’t forget Jimmie Carter and his service as a Nuke-U-Lar engineer, before he got bounced out of the Navy and claimed he was needed to run the family peanut farm.

Right_of_Attila on June 30, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Add Murtha…Kerry

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 6:49 PM

The only reason “so many [were] willing to believe” is because negative advertising and spin in political campaigns works. Lee Atwater, Karl Rove and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth as exemplars’ come to mind.

J_Gocht on June 30, 2008 at 6:32 PM

the other reason is the swift boaters were telling the truth, unlike John ‘I served in Vietnam and got 3 gold hearts for cutting myself shaving’ F(ing) Kerry!

remember how JF(ing)Kerry say he was ordered into Cambodia, by NIXON, before nixon was president?? it was an amusing lie.

right4life on June 30, 2008 at 6:51 PM

purple hearts, sorry.

right4life on June 30, 2008 at 6:53 PM

How does focusing on Wesley Clark’s comments help Michelle Obama’s children?

Travis Bickle on June 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM

How does focusing on Wesley Clark’s comments help Michelle Obama’s children?

Travis Bickle on June 30, 2008 at 6:54 PM

you’re right of course…its just another sign of racism sexism homophobia, bigotry, etc

/sarc off

right4life on June 30, 2008 at 6:55 PM

The question shouldn’t be “how smart is Clark?”, but “how smart is Obama?”…and the answer is very.
He is using human’s shields to keep his hands clean.
He is like the dictator sending out a hit man to kill an opponent, then coming buy and paying for the funeral and vowing to get the man who did the killing…

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 6:56 PM

The question shouldn’t be “how smart is Clark?”, but “how smart is Obama?”…and the answer is very.

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 6:56 PM

I absolutely disagree. It’s a long, long, long way to November.

A long way.

Barry’s campaign is the ultimate campaign of style over substance; of nothingness wrapped up in a shiny wrapper. He and his handlers obviously believe that they can sell anything to the dolts that pull the levers.

They can’t. Barry’s way too slick, and he’s not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. This looks clever now. But come about September, it’s going to look fake, tired, and old.

Typhoon on June 30, 2008 at 7:05 PM

I guess Jim Jones would have been a good president according to Gen Clark.

TroubledMonkey on June 30, 2008 at 7:10 PM

purple hearts, sorry. right4life on June 30, 2008 at 6:53 PM

Into the sauce again, are you r_4_l…?

For a guy so far into the right for life, I’m rather amused at your repetitive use of the verb “(F) ing” in your posts…

Cool“(F)ing” man!

J_Gocht on June 30, 2008 at 7:10 PM

He has no proven judgment — okay, in 2002 he said Iraq would REQUIRE, “a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.”

Well, he was right about that — but strangely he is willing to ignore his own judgment on this one. He said REQUIRE, but is now willing to forgo that requirement for the sake of political posturing.

That’s about all her got right in his famous, “Dumb War,” Speech.
David

LifeTrek on June 30, 2008 at 7:13 PM

Everyone to a man, on his boat crews, has backed Lt. Kerry to the gunwales!
J_Gocht on June 30, 2008 at 6:32 PM

This is from the website you linked, thanks for having it disprove what you wrote…I guess that puts you, on the smart scale, one rung beneath Clark.

Kerry used an old picture of himself and other swift boat crewmen in Vietnam in one of his campaign ads, but only one or two of the 19 officers in the picture really support him
This is mostly true.
There are conflicting reports but either one or two of those pictured supports Kerry; eleven have signed letters saying they do not support him, four say they are neutral, and 2 have died.
Eleven of them, George Bates, Thomas Heritage, Terrance Costello, Robert “Rocky” Hildreath, Robert Elder, William Houle, George Elliott, William Schumadine, Al French, Larry Thurlow, and Jim Galvin, asked Kerry to stop using their pictures in his campaign materials.

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 7:13 PM

The question shouldn’t be “how smart is Clark?”, but “how smart is Obama?”…and the answer is very.
He is using human’s shields to keep his hands clean.
He is like the dictator sending out a hit man to kill an opponent, then coming buy and paying for the funeral and vowing to get the man who did the killing…

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 6:56 PM

And exactly how well is this going to play with the average non-moonbat voter? I’d have to imagine it wouldn’t play well at all. Not only is he denigrating McCain’s military service and Senate record, but he’s drawing attention to the fact that Obama has little to none of either.

I’d be tempted to think that Clark (a Clinton stooge) is actively trying to derail Obama to open the way for Hillary in 2012.

Or maybe he’s just stupid. Could go either way, really.

Hollowpoint on June 30, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Typhoon on June 30, 2008 at 7:05 PM

You are too literal, I didn’t say the smartest, or smart in all things…but for right now this little ploy is working, and will keep working as long as the MSM allows it.
When the MSM finally (if ever) decide the heat is too much, they will give him a little shove and he will change tactics.
We know, but then we aren’t the ones he is concerned with…a lie is very effective, by the time a good defense is created the attacker is moving on. Read my analogy again about the hit man, it applies.

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Or maybe he’s just stupid. Could go either way, really.

Hollowpoint on June 30, 2008 at 7:15 PM

The point is, he is not saying it, he is singing the praises of McCain, it is his “hit men” that are saying it. Obama steps back and shakes his head, and says he doesn’t agree, but every one the right to his opinion, and he would be hesitant to attack the service of Clark, just like he wouldn’t attack McCain’s service.
Everyone swoons and says what an admirable man Obama is, listen the little speech, he holds in disdain anyone who would criticize someone who was willing to sacrifice his life…meaning he won’t criticize Kerry, Murtha, Clark either. Once again my analogy of the hit man, and then paying for the funeral holds true.
We know it is a farce, but the person watching the 6:00 news won’t…

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 7:23 PM

From General Wesley Clark’s Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark

Rumors persisted that Clark was forced out due to his contentious relationship with some in Washington D.C.; however, he has dismissed them, calling it a “routine personnel action,” and the Department of Defense said it was merely a “general rotation of American senior ranks.” However, a NATO ambassador told the International Herald Tribune that Clark’s dismissal seemed to be a “political thing from the United States.”General Hugh Shelton would say of Clark during his 2004 campaign that “the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I’m not going to say whether I’m a Republican or a Democrat. I’ll just say Wes won’t get my vote,” though Shelton never elaborated further on what these issues were.

Nuff said….

Hog Wild on June 30, 2008 at 7:24 PM

Hollowpoint on June 30, 2008 at 7:15 PM

How about those who served under Clark answer your question. That is about as logical as you can get.

I bet you that they have NO respect for that man. And those that say they do, either served before or after Clark was the General.

Clark will prove he is a complete idiot. Give it time. He is good that way!

upinak on June 30, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Hillary in 2012.

Or maybe he’s just stupid. Could go either way, really.

Hollowpoint on June 30, 2008 at 7:15 PM

That will happen if Obama wins, just because he is incompetent.

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 7:25 PM

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Yeah and if we were voting now, you’d have a point.

But we’re not. We’re voting in November. And that’s way too long for this sleazy show to run.

Typhoon on June 30, 2008 at 7:32 PM

What are the odds that if Obambi is elected President, Gen. Clark will become Secretary of Defense?

I wouldn’t bet against it happening.

MrLynn on June 30, 2008 at 7:36 PM

Terrye on June 30, 2008 at 6:16 PM

Nice tactic straight from the Dem playbook…

Clark attacks McCain, so you attack us… who have nothing to do with it…

Way to gain support for your candidate there dude. Any sympathy I had because of the attack, just got wasted.

Romeo13 on June 30, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Aw, I got my ‘Liberate Iraq’ yard sign from Joe Repya, way back when. He was really nice (and awesome).

Tanya on June 30, 2008 at 7:44 PM

McCain has proven he loves his country. Obama has proven he wants to be president. Real bad. That is the difference.

McCain has mentioned that he did not even love his country until he was a POW. McCain doesn’t want to be president really bad? McCain only wants to be president but not really bad? Idiocy.

Terrye, wake up.

Monkei on June 30, 2008 at 7:50 PM

What are the odds that if Obambi is elected President, Gen. Clark will become Secretary of Defense?

I wouldn’t bet against it happening.

Gee, even if that did happen it would still be twice as good as having another 4 years of McSame and another Rumsfeld clone.

Amazing how you GOP hacks can even begin to complain about the Dems when we have had to endure 8 long years of the shrub and his team. Mr. 23 percent.

Monkei on June 30, 2008 at 7:52 PM

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Yeah and if we were voting now, you’d have a point.

But we’re not. We’re voting in November. And that’s way too long for this sleazy show to run.

Typhoon on June 30, 2008 at 7:32 PM

Granted, I broke my crystal ball, so I have to just talk about what is happening now.
Wait until they find out that McCain was the other guy in the bathroom stall…

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Amazing how you GOP hacks can even begin to complain about the Dems when we have had to endure 8 long years of the shrub and his team. Mr. 23 percent.

Monkei on June 30, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Actually, we do spend long, sleepless nights feeling the pain of the poor Dems who have had to endure a President other than Al Gore or John Kerry. Really. We’re sensitive that way.

At least you have Pelosi and Reid. You know- the ones leading the 19 percent Congress. How’s the battle against the “culture of corruption” and for transparency and lowering gas prices working out? I seem to remember them promising they’d get on that… assuming they’ve cleaned all the cash out of their freezers.

Hollowpoint on June 30, 2008 at 8:09 PM

The post [of J_Gocht] clearly states all personell do not agree with Lt. Kerry’s account[s]. right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 7:13 PM

Of those who served in Kerry’s boat crew, only Stephen Gardner joined SBVT.[18] He was not present on any of the occasions when Kerry won his medals, including his Purple Hearts. Gardner appeared in two of the group’s television advertisements.

All other living members of Kerry’s crew supported his presidential bid, and some frequently campaigned with him as his self-described ‘band of brothers’. Kerry crewmembers have disputed some of SBVT’s various allegations: “totally false” (Drew Whitlow), “garbage” (Gene Thorson), and “a pack of lies” (Del Sandusky).[19][20][21]

As a olde Vietnam Vet my “ownself”…havin’ served on five missions from 1962 to 1966 with the US Army Special Forces…
I’m G..damn certain I’ve appeared in photos, somewhere in time and space, that said: I approved of my previous personal ridicules exercise[s] of complete dumb fuckery and that I actually believed the significance propaganda of the “domino theory” if Vietnam fell…!

Today I renounce all those beliefs and verbalizations… I was fed a load of “bovine feces” by all those sorry political bastards that sent me and 52,803 other dead, sorry, bastards, to WAR in Vietnam…!

Heckler and Kochs…J_Gocht!

Long live the Republic of Vietnam…!

I still love the US of A!

J_Gocht on June 30, 2008 at 8:10 PM

The claims that Wes Clark makes on Obama’s behalf are absolutely breathtaking in their audacity. The Dope with Hope from Chicago has absolutely no executive experience nor proven judgment. He appears to need handlers and scapegoats easily tossed aside when he is questioned. Obama has never demonstrated being accountable for his statements nor his votes… when he does vote.

On what basis can any Obama supporter (like Clark) claim that the Dem candidate has an understanding or “sensitivity” to the issues at stake in national, economic, or international arenas? What is the evidence?

How do Obama supporters (like Clark) expect to ensure diplomatic strategies/success “with more reliance on other tools” if there is not a stick of “military force” as part of the arsenal? The Left’s unchallenged claims that we are in a “plight” abroad is contrary to the alliances we have formed and and those we have renewed/strengthened, the damage that has been done to the AlQaeda leadership, and the growing security/political strides that have taken place in Iraq since the surge.

Clark was mouthing rehearsed Obama-campaign talking points in that interview without demonstrating in any fashion a credible reason why the glib community organizer is capable of the leadership of this nation.

onlineanalyst on June 30, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Monkei on June 30, 2008 at 7:52 PM

GOP Hacks huh.

Interesting how the GOP or any conservative is a Hack, but the Democrat run Congress is trying everything in their power to keep the people at bay, and trying to tax them out of house and food and hell God help us our gasoline! But you can sit there and say that it is ALL the GOP’s fault!

So explain to me how the GOP Hacks and Conservative Hacks are ruining your life? I would love to hear this one.

upinak on June 30, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Hollowpoint on June 30, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Are you sure the Democratic led congress is only 19%, I thought it was the lowest in the history of congress…has Pelosi unionized her farm workers on her vineyards yet, or is she still complaining that farm workers are underpaid and overworked…Hollowpoint, how many contracts did Feinstein funnel into her husbands businesses? Has Murtha apologized for calling innocent men murderers, or has Pelosi asked him to be censored?
I am losing count and track of so many of these things…maybe that Monkei guy can help us out, he seems to know a lot about these Dems…

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Monkei on June 30, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Actually on second thought. I don’t want to hear what you have to say. I got enough drama going on with Oil then to hear you bitching and whining about stupid crap that you have no clue about and I already know you have no common sense to save yourself with.

So here I go to work off my butt some more. Have at it Monkei… you certainly don’t need to tell me how big and wannabe bad you are.

upinak on June 30, 2008 at 8:17 PM

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Don’t forget one of my favorites: Pelosi’s compassionate and caring charge to raise the minimum wage to help all those poor people…except the ones in American Samoa, because one of her hometown companies didn’t want the minimum wage raised in American Samoa.

misterpeasea on June 30, 2008 at 8:26 PM

I am losing count and track of so many of these things…maybe that Monkei guy can help us out, he seems to know a lot about these Dems…

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Perhaps he’ll be along to explain it to us misguided reichwinger wingnuts after he’s done sacrificing a waffle on the altar in front of his Obama shrine. I just hope he had room between the life-sized statues of Che and Carter in his parent’s basement.

Hollowpoint on June 30, 2008 at 8:28 PM

HOW DARE YOU QUESTION HIS PATRIOTISM! lol.

bigbeas on June 30, 2008 at 8:44 PM

The claims that Wes Clark makes on Obama’s behalf are absolutely breathtaking in their audacity. The Dope with Hope from Chicago has absolutely no executive experience nor proven judgment. He appears to need handlers and scapegoats easily tossed aside when he is questioned. Obama has never demonstrated being accountable for his statements nor his votes… when he does vote.

Look, the Obama campaign had its hand up ol’ Wes’ backside, making his lips move, for the express purpose of giving Obama the opportunity to demonstrate his humility and patriotism. Wesley Clark hasn’t had an original thought since he left West Point.

uncivilized on June 30, 2008 at 9:08 PM

Uh, gee, Bush’s ANG unit sent people to Vietnam. Are you implying that National Guard service is inferior to what McCain did?

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Just the opposite dude. Comprehending what you read will make life much more fulfilling.

highhopes on June 30, 2008 at 9:15 PM

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Audacity is mead-a-fore a leader…!

J_Gocht on June 30, 2008 at 9:15 PM

Monkei on June 30, 2008 at 7:52 PM

What an apropos name for an Obama supporter. hey monkey ever worn a uniform? (and I mean an American uniform and prison uniform does not count) In fact, have you ever served your nation at all in any capacity? (community organizer and activist does not count). I doubt it. How hypocritical and pathetic to deride someone’s military service while never having worn the uniform! At least clarke weasel that he is wore the uniform.

Please keep trying to smear McCain on this issue so that your overlord loses in a landslide. Actually I’m looking forward to the day when your Marxist pig of a candidate can go back to his all important community organizing.

elduende on June 30, 2008 at 9:20 PM

What I meant was that McCain COULD HAVE gone after Bush, the way the Democrats did, as a draft dodger. He didn’t. He could have gone after Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee for not serving at all. He didn’t.

rockmom on June 30, 2008 at 5:06 PM

Unfreaking believable how far you McCain apologists will go to prop up cranky old bastard. GWB was not a draft dodger and there is no evidence to support that premise yet you are calling cranky old bastard a stand-up-guy for merely not slandering an opponent with lies. Personally there isn’t anything honorable in that. Yet you suggest that McCain COULD have slandered others meaning you think such tactics are acceptable. Likewise, show me where military service is even a requirement for the Presidency. There is no dishonor in not serving so long as you don’t do it the way Clinton did. Yet you give McCain credit for not calling people who didn’t serve draft dodgers. That’s not something to give credit to a candidate for if you are being intellectually honest- it SHOULD be the expected norm.

I clearly have a different standard than you bitter hate-filled McCain supporters.

highhopes on June 30, 2008 at 9:21 PM

If any conservative can listen to this kind of crap out of a guy like Wesley Clark and still have trouble voting for McCain…they are not real conservatives. They are cry baby sore losers that can not get past the fact that their guy did not get the nomination and so they will suck up to the likes of Obama or Clark to get even.

First off Terrye,

I never said anything untoward about the National Guard, that was another of you “shut the f**k up and vote McCain” apologists who has a reading comprehension problem. My point was just the opposite- that McCain shouldn’t get credit for NOT going out after GWB’s service because there is no reason why cranky old bastard should demean service in the National Guard. Do you all really have to be as bitter and hate-filled as McCain to support the man?

I also made the point that voting for McCain and supporting him the way GOP loyalists supported GWB is going to be difficult what with the fact that McCain has alienated the grassroots of the party. They may cast their vote for cranky old bastard but they are not going to mobilize the base, donate to the campaign or otherwise support a man who loathes social conservatives and evangelicals with a palpable hatred visible in the glowering look he takes on whenever he is in a crowd of real Republicans.

Finally, if you are really as old as you claim, you should be ashamed of yourself for calling others crybabies when they have legitimate disagreement with a Presidential candidate. The America I know isn’t as intolerant as you McCain supporters are. WHY CAN’T I VOICE MY DIFFERENCES WITH MCCAIN WITHOUT BEING ATTACKED BY YOU? Shame on you!

highhopes on June 30, 2008 at 9:30 PM

highhopes on June 30, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Hey, guys and girls…

It’s OBAMA…!

J_Gocht on June 30, 2008 at 9:31 PM

The only two things that are infinite are the Universe and Wes Clark’s stupidity and I’m not certain about the Universe.

Murphy9 on June 30, 2008 at 9:41 PM

Isn’t this the same Wesley Clark who was removed (as in fired) from a NATO Command by a previous president. I sure hope he is the VP Pick for Obama.

Ghostbuster on June 30, 2008 at 9:45 PM

Did Wesley Snipes replace Wesley Clarks’ eyeballs?

Coronagold on June 30, 2008 at 9:54 PM

Murphy9 on June 30, 2008 at 9:41 PM

Ghostbuster on June 30, 2008 at 9:45 PM

My soldier …
You dah guys…!

J_Gocht on June 30, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Really, very.
And he’s an Ass, to top it off.

bridgetown on June 30, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Other’s… have defined my place…!

J_Gocht on June 30, 2008 at 10:18 PM

The Saddest Thing About Barack Obama’s Available Military Expertise…

…is that though he has Wes Clark in his corner, the only person he knows with the experience of getting a bomb on target is Bill Ayers.

-http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/

LOL

elduende on June 30, 2008 at 10:22 PM

A big welcome to Lt.Col Joe!

Dr. Bob on June 30, 2008 at 10:34 PM

The irony of Clarks statements though, is that if you add Obama’s legislative experience and Clarks Military experience they only equal a fraction of McCain. The Dems best hope in this election is to ignore the fact that they are running against a war hero and career legislator and just keep spouting empty platitudes. But they cannot do so. That is why they are the dems, and that is why we love them so. Keep it up Wes.

AntonDomi on June 30, 2008 at 10:35 PM

The only two things that are infinite are the Universe and Wes Clark’s stupidity and I’m not certain about the Universe.

Murphy9 on June 30, 2008 at 9:41 PM

Borrowed from Einstein, right?

Entelechy on June 30, 2008 at 11:02 PM

A: probably not as dumb as B. Hussein, who doesn’t know the beginning of the Declaration of Independence.

corona on June 30, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Don’t forget one of my favorites: Pelosi’s compassionate and caring charge to raise the minimum wage to help all those poor people…except the ones in American Samoa, because one of her hometown companies didn’t want the minimum wage raised in American Samoa.

misterpeasea on June 30, 2008 at 8:26 PM

I did forget, thanks for reminding it’s a classic…

right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 11:36 PM

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