Grand jury refuses to indict Texan for killing two burglars next door
posted at 7:38 pm on June 30, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Remember Joe Horn? He’s a free man, as of this afternoon. I didn’t follow the case last year when debate was raging, but ABC has a gripping account of the particulars. He was on the phone with 911, shotgun in hand, watching two burglars rob his neighbor’s house in broad daylight; the operator told him to stay put and that the cops were on the way, but Horn replied that he couldn’t let them get away with it and couldn’t be sure that they wouldn’t make a move on his house next. So he went outside, caught them coming out of his neighbor’s house, told them to stop, and when they didn’t he shot them both — dead, both in the back, although per the Chronicle link above one of the suspects ran towards him before veering away, which is how he ended up hit from behind.
The legal justification is supposedly the “Castle Doctrine,” a subset of Texas’s self-defense law that lets you defend yourself and your property by firing on an unlawful intruder without having to “retreat” first. Having spent the past hour poring over the statutes and giving myself a migraine, it seems to me there are two gray areas: One, whether Horn is to be thought of as defending his home, his neighbor’s home, or himself when the shootings occurred, and two, whether having the right to “stand your ground” (i.e. not retreat) entitles you to precipitate a confrontation that could have been avoided by simply not doing anything. The sections that authorize defense of property (9.42 and 9.43) do allow for deadly force — but only at nighttime in the case of burglary, presumably because it’s harder to tell what a burglar’s packing in dim light and also because a burglar who’s coming through the window at an hour when he knows people are likely to be home is likely to be a bolder, more dangerous burglar. The Horn shootings happened in broad daylight. Which means if he’s off the hook, it has to be on grounds that he was protecting himself, not his property, during the confrontation with the burglars. Per section 9.32, deadly force can be used if “immediately necessary” to save yourself from being murdered and/or robbed. That’s arguably reasonable in Horn’s case (although there’s no word of them producing a weapon), but what if he had just stayed in the house and avoided them entirely? Enter subsection (c):
A person who has a right to be present at the location where the deadly force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force is used is not required to retreat before using deadly force as described by this section.
There’s the “stand your ground” provision. If it justifies him leaving the house to face them down, it’s not so much an exemption from the duty to retreat as an affirmative right to advance. And how was deadly force “immediately” necessary if it could have been prevented just by sitting tight? He’s got the shotgun and he’s watching them; if they try to come in his house, they’ll never know what hit them. Eh, whatever. It’s not worth parsing the statutes too finely since ultimately it’s in a (grand) jury’s hands and they’re not going to send an old man to jail for shooting two felons caught in the act, whatever the felony and time of day.
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Now that meat is RED, dog!
omnipotent on June 30, 2008 at 7:43 PM
This is GREAT News!
I don’t care if it was broad daylight or the dim of night. I don’t know anyone who is so self centered that they would watch their neighbor getting robbed blind. The Jury did right for this Mr. Horn!
It is time to take back America, neighborhood by neighborhood. Town to City to State.
upinak on June 30, 2008 at 7:44 PM
I’m glad he’s not going to prison for shooting a couple criminals who needed killin, but yeah- he should’ve stayed in his house. From what I remember when this first hit the news he almost certainly went further than the law allows, but I’m not sure I’d have voted to indict him either.
Hollowpoint on June 30, 2008 at 7:45 PM
BTW, the burglars were illegals, FWIW.
omnipotent on June 30, 2008 at 7:45 PM
It may not be ok in the eyes of the Supreme Court, but it’s ok with me. Death penalty for burglary, basically.
Jaibones on June 30, 2008 at 7:45 PM
While I don’t think people should lose their lives for stealing property, I also wouldn’t mind having Mr. Horn as my neighbor.
Note to potential Texan burglars: When a man holding a shotgun tells you to stop, stop.
VolMagic on June 30, 2008 at 7:47 PM
How about a statute that requires citizens, if able to do so, to confront and neutralize bad guys?
That would rock.
flipflop on June 30, 2008 at 7:47 PM
A new twist on the “Welcome Wagon”.
bloggless on June 30, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Entering or leaving. Under the law the citizen has the right to knock ‘em down. You may use deadly force to protect property, not just life. That’s how I understand it.
Limerick on June 30, 2008 at 7:48 PM
The world is a better place without burglars. The lesson taught to them by Joe Horn and the state of Texas is, it doesn’t pay to be a burglar.
FloatingRock on June 30, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Alright people, let’s not celebrate too early! Will the ACLU file a civil suit? I bet yes.
bloggless on June 30, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Hardly “red meat”, Ed.
My collie says:
Oh, and BTW, don’t mess with Texas.
CyberCipher on June 30, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Great news. I remember the video about this.
Joe Horn for Vice President.
Hog Wild on June 30, 2008 at 7:50 PM
If someone is trying to steal part of your life, don’t you have the right to steal part of his…like the last part?
right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Oops. That was AP’s post. Sorry Ed.
CyberCipher on June 30, 2008 at 7:50 PM
I’m looking around for some sympathy for the deceased burglars. I know I left it around here somewhere. Hmmmm….guess I’m out. Too bad. I’m sure the relatives of the deceased will soon show up in CIVIL court, arguing ‘unlawful death, excessive use of force, etc etc’. The deceased were just making a ‘collection’ for their church. Obviously got the wrong house number. They’d turned to a new life. Salt of the earth. Would not hurt a fly. Tremendous human beings. Etc etc etc……..
GarandFan on June 30, 2008 at 7:51 PM
I would love to see this go to trial though. Good luck finding a single juror here to convict him. This would be a perfect case for jury nullification.
The anti-OJ case if you will.
Vigilante on June 30, 2008 at 7:54 PM
All I want to know is…did he use 0 or 00 shot? Shotguns are great equalizers and they allow for a little error in accuracy when it comes to target acquisition.
Wyznowski on June 30, 2008 at 7:54 PM
I thought he was wrong for going outside and not following the orders of the police on the 911 line. However, I’m sick of crime, criminals, and those who make excuses for them. If you are going to break into someone’s house, there is always a chance that some day you will murder an innocent person. Horn eliminated a future threat. The burglars knew the score, i.e., they could get shot.
Blake on June 30, 2008 at 7:55 PM
about time some Americans showed common sense. let’s hand it to the grand jury. this is neighborhood watch at its best.
Let’s guess how many robberies happen in this neighborhood in the future?
Allah you are truly a betamale. Anyone that goes on someone else’s property for criminal intent desreves to be shot and killed be it from the landowner, the police or from a neighbor or even a passerby.
this was why back in the 50 and 60’s we didn’t have as many child molesters. those people were handle by the locals.
unseen on June 30, 2008 at 7:57 PM
I believe the sticking point was that they charged him, not one but both. I have a friend who lives in Houston and followed the story closely. Apparently both men were found dead on his property meaning they had both run toward him once he made his presence known.
bj1126 on June 30, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Looks to me like the burglars attempted to assault him after he told them to stop. At that point it became an issue of self defense and split second decisions. Can’t say I blame the old timer. Not only that but the prosecution would have had a tough time convicting this guy with a Texas jury.
Troy Rasmussen on June 30, 2008 at 7:58 PM
AP, you sound disappointed he wasn’t indicted. You’ve been living in NYC too long.
jaime on June 30, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Joe Horn for Homeland Security Chief!
“We WANT him on that wall, we NEED him on that wall!”
SuperCool on June 30, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Maybe people are just tired of being victimized and watching other people be victimized. If this was back in the 1800s or before, nothing would be written about this except that the two “scoundrels” got what they deserved. Go back and take a look at the old newspapers from back then and see how things were handled. It’s pretty interesting.
Yeah, yeah, I know, we’re not in the 1800s anymore. So all of a sudden, here in the 1900s and 2000, we’re so much smarter and so much more sophisticated than people were back then? I think not.
Personally, I think people were a lot more safer back then. There was low tolerance for crime. There was no insurance back then, so no one could get their money back, or their belongings back, that were stolen. Remember, these men were thieves! Not innocent victims. They used to hang horse thieves. What if we did that now for carjackers? Hmm….
Sometimes, people step up and do the right thing. Unfortunately, the right thing is no longer politically correct. I get amused when I think of some of the media that we have now being transported back to the 1800s. They wouldn’t last a second. Actually, I get quite a laugh when I think of it.
I personally think the Grand Jury is to be commended for not indicting him.
lsbblack on June 30, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Texas, my Texas…what do you want to bet the DA didn’t try too hard to get a conviction?
Sue on June 30, 2008 at 8:00 PM
This is great news. I heard it on the way home on the Michael Berry show. The majority of the callers agreed with the decision. Just like the host said if instead of going out and getting a job you would rather steal from hard working people just know that we Texans have guns and we have no patience or sympathy for you.
Go Joe Go!
atxcowgirl on June 30, 2008 at 8:00 PM
I loved the response by one of the dead men’s fiance` ” I wanted him convicted, he took the law into his own hands”
Dang betcha sister, and the world is better now that your boyfriend pining for the fjords.
GoodBoy on June 30, 2008 at 8:03 PM
It’s because of people like Joe Horn that I pine to live in Texas someday.
MB007 on June 30, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Isn’t this in contrast, stark contrast, to that idiot senator that ranted about putting a little girl on the stand and making her life miserable because she was raped by a man.
What a difference in state attitude…I’ll take Texas, you can have the other state that wants to protect rapists…
right2bright on June 30, 2008 at 8:07 PM
I thought he was gonna get it too. The third shot is what I thought did it. But good for him, I am glad he was not charged.
Squid Shark on June 30, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Oh, it just gets better and better. I’m disappointed you didn’t flag this, AP:
misterpeasea on June 30, 2008 at 8:09 PM
How stupid to you have to be to commit a burglary in Texas?
If they had not advanced forward when he told them to stop then I might feel sorry for them. They didn’t, end of story.
aengus on June 30, 2008 at 8:10 PM
I will love to have ole Joe as a neighbour. I will give him the names (a mug shot if possible) of all my bill collectors, tell him they are “known felons”, then go on vacation for a month.
Bye, bye, student loan! HA! HA! HA!
RMR on June 30, 2008 at 8:10 PM
Shoot them for stealing then shoot them again for bleeding on the yard.
Big Orange on June 30, 2008 at 8:11 PM
common sense prevails…….for now.
maynila on June 30, 2008 at 8:11 PM
something tells me a lot of the commenters here would have voted to acquit the murderers of Emmett Till 50 years ago. Not a perfect parallel, but one to think about.
crr6 on June 30, 2008 at 8:11 PM
free Ramos and Compean……………….
maynila on June 30, 2008 at 8:12 PM
I’m surpised Justice Stevens didn’t cite this in his dissent in Heller. “You see, you can defend your home with a shotgun. You don’t need a handgun.”
Wethal on June 30, 2008 at 8:12 PM
I don’t know about that but I hear Quanell X is planning a protest.
As was stated these were illegal invaders, and one had been sent to prison and deported (obviously that didn’t work).
atxcowgirl on June 30, 2008 at 8:14 PM
There is no parallel of any kind. The only slight similarity is that Emmet Till is deceased and so are these burglars.
aengus on June 30, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Heh. I think this last sentence will put an end to their crime spree.
Big Orange on June 30, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Since our legislature only meets every other year (and even then limited to 120 days-max) I wouldn’t expect any gun law changes unless the Governor calls a special session. To do that Perry knows he would be run out of town on a rail.
Limerick on June 30, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Not a perfect parallel? Not a parallel at all, jackass. Emmett Till didn’t committ a crime, and was abducted and murdered.
I’m going to see if I can get you banned for that.
misterpeasea on June 30, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Who is Quanell X? Let me guess…”community organizer,” maybe?
Wethal on June 30, 2008 at 8:17 PM
It’s a bit more nuanced then that isn’t it?
The story goes that the perps were on his property when they were shot. He didn’t shoot them on someone else’s property. I had thought that was the big discussion at the time that this news broke and the cops that were coming down the street (not uniformed, iirc) confirmed that fact. Maybe my memory is fuzzy on this, but I remember at the time assuming this would be the outcome.
Spirit of 1776 on June 30, 2008 at 8:18 PM
The Bronson Bill.
doubleplusundead on June 30, 2008 at 8:19 PM
You are disgusting. And, having read your previous posts, I see that you know nothing about, as far as I can tell, anything, I see no reason why you continue to comment here.
VolMagic on June 30, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Maybe Mr. Horn could move to DC for a while…
d1carter on June 30, 2008 at 8:21 PM
No doubt about it. A guy with a shotgun can’t afford to let you run a little bit, duck behind a tree and pull a pistol on him while he’s out of shotgun range.
Buddahpundit on June 30, 2008 at 8:22 PM
+1
VolMagic on June 30, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Bullseye.
(pun intended)
Rodent on June 30, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Not even remotely parallel, the two cases are entirely dissimilar except that both involve loss of life.
FloatingRock on June 30, 2008 at 8:23 PM
FYI
atxcowgirl on June 30, 2008 at 8:25 PM
There, there, try not to pee your pants. Nanny will take care of you. Don’t be afraid.
jaime on June 30, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Good idea but there would have to be exceptions: children, pregnant women (women in general?), the disabled. How about able bodied men aged 18-50?
aengus on June 30, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Sorry for repeating…. that’s the problem with walking away from the computer for a while before hitting submit.
FloatingRock on June 30, 2008 at 8:26 PM
A DA who doesn’t want to try to hard, and a grand jury who refuses to indict. It’s a beautiful thing.
Maybe more illegals will move from Texas to other areas that want them. Maybe Gavin Newsom could pay for radio ads telling texas illegals where they should flee.
wise_man on June 30, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Well isn’t this refreshing,sanity and logic
prevails,all hail to common sense,two goons
who won’t reaffend!
And look at the bright side,it denies the
ability for a lefty judge to set these two
free on a technicality,if they were alive!
Heres the MSM unbiased headlines I’ll make up!
“Bible clinging bitter Republican shoots two
innocent felons in the back while trying to
surrender”! pa————–lease!
canopfor on June 30, 2008 at 8:27 PM
…I love my state.
And my NRA membership.
TexasJew on June 30, 2008 at 8:28 PM
What something could possibly tell you that? The Leftist’s Handbook on Overreaching Troll-dom?
It’s one thing to gleefully toss the occasional grenade, you go straight for the most outrageous A-bomb you can imagine.
Sick.
Maquis on June 30, 2008 at 8:28 PM
You’re fine. No prob.
aengus on June 30, 2008 at 8:29 PM
I’m thinking of moving to Texas
Dollayo on June 30, 2008 at 8:30 PM
crr6-
Adding crap where unnecessary is the sign of a incontinent sphincter muscle.
In your case, pseudo-intellectually with your bogus Emmett Till “comparison”.
Emmett Till was not robbing anyone.
But, if Emmett Till had pulled a gun and defended himself, he would then have some similarity to Joe Horn.
Your pure b.s. false analogy slanders a guy standing up against thieves (and potential rapists and killers) by bringing up a notorious racist killing and is an insult to Horn, and the intelligence of anyone with a shred of common sense.
profitsbeard on June 30, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Sure they or LULAC will try to file a civil suit and that will get kicked out too.
Both of those robbers were illegal aliens. They did not have the right to be in this country, period.
Nahanni on June 30, 2008 at 8:31 PM
WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
It is long past time where this should even be a question.
More states need to enact laws like this, and more people need to do exactly as he did.
YES, in fact I AM saying that those two robbers deserved to die.
Yes, in fact he was right in putting them down.
This country exists and was founded on the idea of Life Liberty and Property. They changed Property to “pursuit of happiness” only because they did not want to give weight to the slave owners arguments.
Had the $#it-bags NOT chosen to commit the crime, they would be alive. That is should be all the common sense one needs when looking at this story.
They CHOSE to commit the crime, they no longer get any sympathy from me. Put ‘em down and two less scum bags walking around is how I see it.
Voidseeker on June 30, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Since I don’t live in America,somebody breaks in my house
there going to see the business end of my Mossberg 410.
pump,and I dare say,Canada the brave and the free,they’ll
probably lock me up forever!
canopfor on June 30, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Just click the “slideshow” on that link to the story. You will see Mr. X and his entourage.
Vigilante on June 30, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Yeah but also because they respected language and “pursuit of happiness” sounds much better and describes what they meant much better, I think.
aengus on June 30, 2008 at 8:34 PM
It’s risky business stealing other peoples property. Those punks found that out the hard way.
Zorro on June 30, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Fixed. Enjoy your B&, tool…
Can some one tell me, who was monitoring the case closer, what were the police waiting for? Wasn’t there a detective on scene watching this go down?
liquidflorian on June 30, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Just a couple of illegal alien criminals, doing the burglaries that lazy Americans wouldn’t do.
Congratulations to the grand jury in Texas for using some common sense. Let’s hope that the civil jury in the inevitable wrongful death suit against Horn has enough guts to do the same.
AZCoyote on June 30, 2008 at 8:35 PM
I’m kinda surprised you can still have guns in canada..
but God Bless Texas!!
right4life on June 30, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Even if you just hurl verbal insults at them you’re likely to be dragged up in front of the HRC.
aengus on June 30, 2008 at 8:36 PM
I remember this when it first hit the news and I was worried sick for the old timer who acted as his generation (and Mine…70 yrs) would act…If one or two of these kinds of crimes were met with exactly this reaction by the general public, every damn day, crime would drop to near nothing….All competent adults should be readily armed so as to equal the playing field with these miscreants who cheat society because laws and lawyers have made it nearly impossible for them to be confronted…and what pisses me off even more is the fact that they flaunt it, hire an attorney, and have right back at it…Hooray for the old timer and hooray for Texas…I’d like to think all of my neighbors here in Beaver Utah would do the same…in fact, I’d bet on it…
b4lucy on June 30, 2008 at 8:36 PM
There is an inverse relationship between Joe Horns and burglars.
hoi polloi on June 30, 2008 at 8:36 PM
I haven’t read the other comments, but let me just say that down in my gut, this is great news. I know where you’re coming from, AP, but he was right, and those thugs were wrong and are dead. I know there will be a lot of people who will cry vigilantism, but if you don’t want to get shot, don’t find yourself in someone else house taking their things. Personally I would love to have a guy like Horn in my neighborhood.
Weight of Glory on June 30, 2008 at 8:40 PM
The detective who showed up on-scene was just getting out of his car when he actually saw the shooting occur. He stated he didn’t even have enough time to register what was going on before the two went down. Then he himself ducked for cover because he didn’t want Joe to mistake him for a “get away driver”. He did state that he saw one of the illegals make a move toward Joe before he fired.
Vigilante on June 30, 2008 at 8:41 PM
something tells me a lot of the commenters here would have voted to acquit the murderers of Emmett Till 50 years ago. Not a perfect parallel, but one to think about.
crr6 on June 30, 2008 at 8:11 PM
There’s no similarity of any kind between those two cases; and to try to infer there is, frankly, stupid. Clearly it is intended as yet another attempt to conflate criminals with minorities. There is a very distinct difference between racially motivated actions (as the Till case very clearly was), and actions directed against criminals (as this case very clearly is).
Minus infinity for stupidity.
TABoLK on June 30, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Seems to me that there should be a notion that you can act on your neighbor’s behalf in an emergency when they are away and enjoy the protections of law when doing so. So it doesn’t matter to me where the bodies landed.
pedestrian on June 30, 2008 at 8:41 PM
It’d probably be better if you thought about it and drew some parallels on your own. But here’s a clue.
Nobody should be above the law. Even people who are in the majority numerically and culturally.
And of course to state a point which should have been obvious, the main reasons it isn’t a perfect parallel are that Emmett Till wasn’t committing a crime (although the jury which acquitted his murderers might have disagreed), and he was a kid.
crr6 on June 30, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Pasadena, Texas is in the Houston Ship Channel area (think of Gilley’s – “Urban Cowboy” area) with lots of huge refineries that has undergone a huge change over the past 35 years from a 100% Anglo community to an exploding Hispanic influx and lots of illegal immigrants. Gangs and crime have exploded and the older retirees are particularly vicimized.
Hard-working people, mostly and scared about what has happened to their once-lawful city.
TexasJew on June 30, 2008 at 8:42 PM
I wonder if the District Attorney is up for re-election in November and how his polling data looks.
Generally a justification, like self defense, would be outside the scope of grand jury proceedings. It sounds like they just refused to indict. God bless Texas.
bigbeas on June 30, 2008 at 8:43 PM
More on the dispatcher/Horn conversation here ,,,,
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/17/national/main3517564.shtml?source=mostpop_story
The perps were in his yard.
Limerick on June 30, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Horn’s attorney, Tom Lambright, has said his client believed the two men had broken into his neighbor’s home and that he shot them only when they came into his yard and threatened him.
The two suspected burglars, Hernando Riascos Torres, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30, were unemployed illegal immigrants from Colombia. Torres was deported to Colombia in 1999 after a 1994 cocaine-related conviction.
Nahanni on June 30, 2008 at 8:45 PM
But race shouldn’t be discussed at all in relation to this case! It’s always those doggone liberals who bring it up!
crr6 on June 30, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Because it worked out so well the last time :)
- The Cat
P.S. I see it not as much as protecting property as much as what is the burglar willing to do to get it/get away with it? It’s about not waiting until he has the upper hand. Or waiting until he comes into your house with your wife/kids/dog/cat/squirrels in the attic.
P.P.S. Then again, let him try to tangle with a Texas squirrel.
MirCat on June 30, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Above the law? LOL…
Sorry ccrSICKs, he was within the law. Texas law. Come on down. We are right friendly here, unless you’re a crook.
Limerick on June 30, 2008 at 8:47 PM
I haven’t read the statute closely, but wasn’t there a section dealing with lawsuits? Unless you were convicted of illegaly shooting the person, you are immune from lawsuits?
I’m sure someone else who is more familier with legalese can’ answer this one accuratly.
And good luck to the ACLU if they try. I would hazard a guess the suit will go against them 5 minutes after the jury gets the case. :)
evilned on June 30, 2008 at 8:47 PM
If someone feels threatened, they can and should protect themselves.
It’s not like someone was walking along the sidewalk. You are in a whole different category when you are participating in a crime.
wise_man on June 30, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Absolutely.
Weight of Glory on June 30, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Quanell and his posse are already walking the beat.
Look for Sharpton, Jackson , Jackson Lee and the rest
to do their camera pimp before the nitely so-called news.
Texyank on June 30, 2008 at 8:47 PM
What is your problem?
wise_man on June 30, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Heh.
Weight of Glory on June 30, 2008 at 8:48 PM
OK, thanks… But i still don’t get it… Only one dude shows up after so long on the phone? I got caught doing doughnuts in a parking lot and had five cruisers on me in less then a minute… WTF?
liquidflorian on June 30, 2008 at 8:49 PM
AllahPundit is a lawyer and while he explores possible gray areas in this post it is not at all established that Joe Horn was acting “above the law”.
Those are two main reasons. The other main reason is that Joe Horn didn’t abduct these burglars, tie heavy cotton gin fans to their necks with barbed wire, torture and dismember them and then try to cover up the killing and pretend it never happened.
aengus on June 30, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Well, I would’ve preferred he wounded them, but c’est la vie.
I don’t think, considering this crowd, that the meat is quite as red as AP thought.
But it is delicious.
SouthernDem on June 30, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Doesn’t the law hold that if a death results from a person’s committing a felony, then the felon is responsible for that death? Is this a double-felony-murder-suicide?
mikeyboss on June 30, 2008 at 8:54 PM
From the local Radio station
http://www.ktrh.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html??feed=121300&article=3895787
Texyank on June 30, 2008 at 8:54 PM
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