Audio: Comprehensive immigration reform “will be my top priority yesterday, today, and tomorrow,” says McCain
posted at 4:53 pm on June 28, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Top priority overall or just top domestic priority? Iraq and the economy can wait, I guess. The clip comes, via reader Edgar M, from today’s appearance before NALEO, in which he and Obama took turns to see who could pander most cravenly on immigration. Truth be told, there’s little new here: Lip service is duly paid to securing the border despite the questioner’s emphasis on comprehensive reform “and not just enforcement,” and he recycles his old line about illegals being “God’s children too” as a way of insinuating, a la his crony’s notorious remarks about telling “the bigots” to shut up, that one really can’t oppose amnesty and be a minimally decent human being. Par for the course.
It’s nice to know, though, that the very first 100 days of a McCain administration will be consumed with an internecine fight on the right to stop his next round of crap legislation from passing. Can’t wait. If you’re curious to see what Obama said in reply, here’s a recap from Reuters. To the left, of course (minus Mickey Kaus), McCain’s problem is that he isn’t a big enough amnesty shill. Exit quotation from Obama, demonstrating a charming obliviousness to the fact that he himself flip-flopped on nearly every issue he commented on this past week: “If we are going to solve the challenges we face, we can’t vacillate, we can’t shift depending on our politics.”
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LegendHasIt on June 28, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Oh, well that’s comforting…
mimi1220 on June 28, 2008 at 9:53 PM
that is just a flat out stupid comparison. one is a constitutionally created district the other is a party created primary system. and you think they are similar? how about i just dont vote the candidate the liberals selected to run on the republican ticket? and i withhold my money? thats move better than pulling up my life and moving.
chasdal on June 28, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Uh, dude? I think you are smoking something. Not only do I question his ideology, I question his qualifications!
Come to think of it, I question BOTH candidates ideology. Did you miss the memo?
wccawa on June 28, 2008 at 10:00 PM
How did I know someone would come up with the “It’s a federal city” thing…
Again, as I stated, I do agree that “well, you can move” is a bogus argument as it stands.
But the comparison I made is definitely applicable here. The whole “you can move” scenario. The USA is the USA. Where within our borders you choose to live is a choice. There’s no legislation holding you back from moving.
Here, I’m only playing “devil’s advocate”…from what I have heard. I’m simply only asking.
JetBoy on June 28, 2008 at 10:03 PM
or “playing both sides of the street” is the way some people refer to it. kinda like yesterday where you kept trying to shoot down a border fence and make it look completely useless but later claimed you were in favor of securing the border. also yesterday i stated you were very incosistent and seemed trollish. you are reinforcing that opinion tonite.
chasdal on June 28, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Let’s get this straight…when I play devil’s advocate, I will say so. I’ve been posting here for at least 2 years now. If you haven’t figured me out by now, that’s your problem. You failed to address anythin I just stated.
McCain derangement….how can anyone really fight it?
JetBoy on June 28, 2008 at 10:12 PM
All McCain seem to do is give conservatives more reasons not to vote for him.
wrath187 on June 28, 2008 at 10:17 PM
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did any of you nutcases actually BELIEVE Juan McCain when he said “secure the border first”??
You actually BELIEVED it when he said that?
Boy are you stupid.
I voted for Romney. I’m not dumb.
amen
Roger Waters on June 28, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Texas Gal,
Went with the Bushmills. Good choice.
A bit more of a bite over the tongue. Nice warmth. Just “sweet” enough. A bit more “stout” than the Jameson but a nice sipper nonetheless. Thanks!
Go to the liquor store for a new bottle of the ole Irish, spend 45 minutes in the damn place…
catmman on June 28, 2008 at 10:19 PM
This, more than anything, encapsulates how the next four (eight?) years will go.
wccawa on June 28, 2008 at 10:21 PM
*heartache*
hehe…Nothin’ against ya, Texgal, but Tullamore Dew outdoes Bushmills by far!
Agreed, there’s nothing BAD about Irish anything….
But next time, try that Dew.
You won’t be sorry.
JetBoy on June 28, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Oxymoron of the day.
JetBoy on June 28, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Exactly….Wake up!!!! Wake your family up, Wake your neighbors up, your friends, your towns people, your coworkers…I’m not advocating WAITING!!! but the opposite. I am advocating ACTION!!!
elraphbo on June 28, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Hey Jetboy,
Look up the word “oxymoron”. That way, you wont look so stupid next time you use that word.
You’re welcome
Roger Waters on June 28, 2008 at 10:42 PM
‘Comprehensive reform’ means “find a way to please everyone’, or ‘only propose legislation that couples border security with citizenship for illegals.’
I’ve got no faith that McCain will do thing one to improve our border security. SECURE THE BORDER FIRST, then figure out how to deal with the 20M illegals have have here.
BTW, is the number 20M needing to be updated? We’ve been saying “12-20 Million illegals” for a couple of years now. Perhaps we need to update the number to 25M?
cannonball on June 28, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Yeah, catmman it does have just enough bite, and a rather thick but not-too-sweet honey taste. Good sippin’ whiskey!
I’m so glad you like it.
LOL .. Jetboy! I have to be loyal to my Northern Ireland ancestors. It’s from the County of Antrim, so were they.
Now my recommendation for a Scot Whiskey is Cutty Sark, bottled by one of my other ancestors… ;)
Texas Gal on June 28, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Only desperate trolls bring up “mass deportation” in their shilling for McCain/shamnesty/etc…
They’re unworthy of engaging in any discussion of illegal immigration.
nottakingsides on June 28, 2008 at 10:53 PM
heh…I knew it! Northern Ireland…My ancestors are from the south…Counties Kerry and Cork. lol As for Scotch, I do prefer a nice, smooth single malt…Glenlivet. But alas, it’s all good!
JetBoy on June 28, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Or is it…Only desperate trolls bring up “shamnesty” and think McCain will grant instant citizenship to millions of illegals. But we won’t vote for him because we still believe the primaries are on and there’s no such person as Obama”….??
JetBoy on June 28, 2008 at 11:00 PM
i addressed plenty of what you said yesterday. things havent changed. you still thing mccain will be good on economy, energy, etc. i stated yesterday why he wouldnt be. also you said yesterday you would ignore me and i could ignore you. and then 10 minutes later you were replying to post of mine. one that wasnt addressed to you. keep trolling
chasdal on June 28, 2008 at 11:01 PM
hey jetboy, if you arent ignoring me yet explain this. back in dec/jan mccain said he got it, we the people didnt want “comprehensive immigration reform”, he implied it was over. yet now he says it will be his most important issue practically. so, how can you support a candidate who blatantly lies like that? dont you think if you “hold your nose” and vote for him it does nothing to discourage this kind of behavior? and no lesser of two evils answers. i dont buy that kinda reasoning. no one term can destroy America like you mccainiacs try to claim. thats the kinda crap you read on DKos and DU about bush so lets try to be better than that if you choose to answer.
chasdal on June 28, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Some folks just focus on the “moron” part of that word because it is more relatable to their everyday vocabulary.
My personal pet peeve- the rampant use of the non-word “irregardless.”
highhopes on June 28, 2008 at 11:09 PM
How silly. McCain’s amnesty scheme would require at least a couple of weeks before drug dealers and gang members are granted no-questions-asked citizenship.
Why are you so hard over on giving citizenship to people who flaunt our laws?
highhopes on June 28, 2008 at 11:12 PM
When did I EVER say THAT? I’ve repeatedly said the USA will survive no matter what.
Dear gawd, do you people ever read?
You’re absolutely right. I should just ignore you. Thanks, that’s the most intelligent thing you’ve ever posted.
JetBoy on June 28, 2008 at 11:14 PM
McCain doesn’t need Conservatives to win…he’s made that pretty clear…so it’s easy to see that the “masses” in favor of him don’t really care about conservatism either.
So we’ll just have to wait and see I guess…
elraphbo on June 28, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Very true, highhopes.
I just find it very funny when people use words beyond their mental vocabulary and end up looking more foolish than if they had just stayed in their “safe zone” of monosyllabic words.
Take JetBoy for instance….
Roger Waters on June 28, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Yeah there were still opponents in the primaries then. Now that he’s clinched the nom, he can “Straight Talk”
innominatus on June 28, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Look. I agree, the law is the law. In that case, let’s either all agree to start deporting every illegal for any reason, we catch ‘em, we deport ‘em. That’s the LAW.
Or…as McCain suggests, rightfully, that we all work to some amicable conclusion to this.
Again…Is this really, really the number one issue with those against McCain? Immigration and amnesty? really?
Everything else is second rate?
It’s McCain or Obama in the White House next year. Dear gawd, people…WAKE UP! The primaries are OVER!
JetBoy on June 28, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Who will the next president be? I keep hoping McCain can convince me he deserves my vote…
Then he opens his big, stupid, arrogant, pandering mouth and i can’t stand the thought of being part of the disaster he will bring.
Maybe if he picks a decent VP like Palin or Romney but I fear it will be more like Lieberman or Hillary.
dhunter on June 28, 2008 at 11:22 PM
before Hill. dropped out I wasn’t sure if she would be worse than McCain. (kinda like Ann Coulter) but now I find myself asking if he would be worse than BHO….gawd I can’t believe I’m asking myself THAT!!!
I’m actualy missing Hillary… *sshhhhiverrr
elraphbo on June 28, 2008 at 11:23 PM
*sigh of sighs*
“deserves” your vote? If you don’t vote McCain, it’s a vote for Obama. Lather, rinse, repeat…
Once again…
The.
Primaries.
Are.
Over.
JetBoy on June 28, 2008 at 11:24 PM
yeah McCain with a lib/Dem as vice….that would just cement the arguement Conservatives have been making about him….
At least I could say “I told you so” to all those dumb asses.
elraphbo on June 28, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Upon further reflection:
This is the third (or maybe more) in a series of comments that have been made in the last few days (”I’m glad I did immigration reform”, the remarks from the closed-media conference last week, etc.) that a.) should have been known ahead of time would cause a firestorm on the right, and b.) bring about instant “clarifications” designed to ameliorate that right. One of these would be more than enough to make a campaign that was truly worried about securing its base cautious. Instead, we get a diet of red meat…raw…
No. These are not mistakes. In my opinion, this is most likely a reconnaissance-in-force, designed to see if any of the talk of significant hardcore conservative opposition that has been is going to finally coalesce into some kind of action. If signficant backlash is not encountered, then, like Sherman at Atlanta in ‘64, Team McCain will now feel reasonably confident they can cut loose, swing wide, and live off the land. They have probably done the math–they may think there will gain more from indies/Dems who feel that at the end of the day Obama just is not the man, but McCain is palatable, than from the conservatives they will lose.
Further, they know that time is running out for any significant insurgency within the right.
We must simply make a decision now. There is a small window of opportunity to make something happen for this fall–in or out of the party–but not for long. There is a small window to gather enough organized conservative grass roots strength to bring the McCain Team somewhat back to the reservation via pure power ploys, and in such a way that does not make him seem like a tool of the hard right–but not for long. And there is a fairly large window of time to just say we’ve had enough with McCain, the GOP, and the whole shebang and just start the insurrection/new movement right now.
But we must finally act. So I am willing to do so, and to actually put all my talents, such as they are, in service to such a cause–despite the fact that I actually have quite a bit to lose in doing so. But the defence of liberty requires no less.
The McCain campaign, if this is a series of trial balloons to see how resolute the conservative opposition is to candidacy, has made a potentially fatal error. This is because not only have they revealed some true feelings on a policy issue that I disagree with, but like Charles II, they indicate to me that the Man who Would be King simply cannot be trusted to not try to do one over on the cause I hold dear some day….
Horatius on June 28, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Jetboy needs to realize that McCain is moving the Republican Party to the Left and in this 2 party system that is not a good thing….Wake up Jetboy…As long as BHO doesn’t win in a land slide he wont be able to do ANYHTING significant and we could end up better off in ‘08…either way it’s not so simple…McCain is DANGEROUS to this country. no doubt
elraphbo on June 28, 2008 at 11:31 PM
It’s ok, they also believe he’s for offshore drilling now, having been persuaded to change his mind there too.
But seriously, vote for McCain. Both candidates are going to put cap-and-trade and/or carbon taxes in place, and whoever does will get the blame for the next recession/depression that will result from that action.
The Republicans can WIN this one. Really, lets get our party’s name tied to the next great depression. Otherwise Obama will take the presidency, and the publicity of tanking the U.S. economy. You want to let Obama have that?
gekkobear on June 28, 2008 at 11:32 PM
McCain will win. Mark my words. Just wait until the first two debates are done. You’ll see.
And again, I’m not willing to put this country through an Obama presidency just because I want a more conservative presidential candidate.
That’s selfish. I love America more than my own petty personal wish-list.
JetBoy on June 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM
but what if and this is a big WHAT IF the American Spirit, ingenuity and fervor pull us through despite McCain or Obama.
You paint a glum picture gekkobear…
Maybe we should hitch our wagons to the big R, Maybe this is the time for a (forgive me for stating it) a 3rd party…
elraphbo on June 28, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Jetboy your just towing the Party line…
Live by it, die by it…
elraphbo on June 28, 2008 at 11:45 PM
I think you misunderstood me.
I mean, people don’t question what his ideology IS. Not whether they agree, I mean I think we have an accurate view of them both and what they represent.
I didn’t not mean the value of their ideologies, just what they are.
Spirit of 1776 on June 28, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Yes they should move if that’s what they want. DC is a separate place and was designed to be so. It’s not really comparable to the primary issue.
Spirit of 1776 on June 28, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Oh crap, LegendHasIt.
Chuck Effing Hagel is preparing the way for the next wave of fascism:
misterpeasea on June 28, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Agreed, there’s nothing BAD about Irish anything….
But next time, try that Dew.
You won’t be sorry.
JetBoy on June 28, 2008 at 10:34 PM
I had ‘em both in me hands I did.
Never fear. The Dew will be the next bottle I buy!
: )
catmman on June 28, 2008 at 11:55 PM
I knew what you meant Spirit. wccawa might not be smoking something. He might have had some liquor early today :)
Entelechy on June 29, 2008 at 12:06 AM
To be frank, I pleasantly find we always understand each other.
And I am about to join him in spirit, or uh, spirits:)
Spirit of 1776 on June 29, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Whenever I nearly convince myself that voting for McCain would mitigate the impact of the inevitable hardship we will face in the next four years, he goes and makes a statement like this one.
I will do my duty and vote the lower part of the ticket this November. As for voting for McCain, I cannot in good conscience contribute to the wholesale giveaway of this great nation, so he will have to do it without my support.
Both McCain and the Obamessiah seem to be intent on destroying or fatally injuring my country. I would rather the Obamessiah and his Marxist brethren receive the blame than a counterfeit conservative.
The damage a McCain presidency would do to the reputation of the Republican party and Conservative movement would take decades to repair if it can be repaired at all.
Now I have to go weep.
DeathB4Tyranny on June 29, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Juan McCain’s dictonary – Regular dictionary
Straight talk = Speak with forked tongue
Comprehensive immigration reform = Selling out the country
Rape = Seduction
MB4 on June 29, 2008 at 12:15 AM
I should have guessed that you’d pick the most advantageous to Obama source. I thought you were referring to polls. May both drive you crazy on election night.
Entelechy on June 29, 2008 at 12:18 AM
McCain/Kennedy
STAY HOME ‘08
DfDeportation on June 29, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Faith is believing what you know aint true.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on June 29, 2008 at 12:24 AM
The last time we had a democrat congress and a democrat president it only lasted two years. I also think that it would be better for the democrats to receive the blame for the problems a liberal agenda will cause.
Rose on June 29, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Intrade, which is on RCP, is the only odds making outfit that I know of. These are people who are actually putting their $ up. Not a perfect gage but better than anything else I know of.
MB4 on June 29, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Hear my my fellow conservatives! From where the sun now stands I will support John McCain no more forever [updated].
- Chief Joseph (Thunder Rolling Down From the Mountains)
MB4 on June 29, 2008 at 12:32 AM
No way I’m clicking on that link. Just the excerpt you quoted reinforces my belief that the end of America is near.
I’m already standing on the ledge.
Much more of that kind of stuff and even Entelechy won’t be able to talk me down.
A nice world that the ignorant left and the ‘hold your noser’ majority have brought about.
I hear talk, on the floors of Congress, the State House and the local City Council that 50 years ago would have resulted in indignant outrage and fisticuffs, followed by impeachment;
Tar and feathers, followed by impeachment 100 years ago
And lynch mobs, (with no need of impeachment following) 150 years ago….
All it is met with now is possibly a fatalistic sigh from the few peasants that even hear about it, and a “Well, OK, I’ll sign on to that if you will sign on to MY proposal, and we can split the cash rakeoff from both.” from our ‘leaders’.
Just as an aside, was there EVER a Senator named Chuck that isn’t also what his name rhymes with (And I ain’t talkin’ Schmuck, either.)???
LegendHasIt on June 29, 2008 at 1:06 AM
The really disgusting, disheartening thing is that EITHER one of them could gather more than 15% in ANY even remotely honestly designed and analyzed poll.
LegendHasIt on June 29, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Legend, of course all your statements/questions were rhetorical…here are just thoughts…
No, you would not, I’m certain. Here’s the impossible which makes thinking souls miserable so often
You’re not alone in this. The more you know the world, the more you see its flaws and miseries. It is on the one hand like the natural beauty in the pictures on your site, and all the miserable rality on the other.
Voltaire consumed himself with the thought of reverting to being like the simpleton old lady who goes to the river to wash the clothes with a wooden paddle, sing, think of her kids, and simply be happy; or remain Voltaire, the erudite, but not so happy. He always chose the latter.
I saw an interview once on PBS of the mother of a famous actress (those of yesteryear, not the fluzies of today). She had been married 4 times, and never happy. When the mother was asked “why, she was smart, beautiful, successful, why not happy?”, the mother said “because she was a thinking person”. Much to reflect on.
No, and it is good this way. You must reflect on Voltaire’s choices. It’s either one or the other, and you must choose.
Yes, to you it will be. You must treasure it, and continue to enrich your mind. It is your greatest asset. The world will be pretty oblivious to you, me, and all others. We make our reality, mostly. Of course things also happen to us, which we did not choose, some pleasant, some not so much. Then we have family obligations, most of which are not pleasant. Fortunately we can choose our friends and lovers.
Rander here. Just acquied original sets of “The Ayn Rand Letter” and “The Objectivist” booklets, edited by her. Also an envelope with the Ayn Rand 33 cents stamp on it.
When I had no idea who Ayn Ran was, yet, others would say to me “you sound just like Ayn Rand”, not by accent but by content, passion and impatience.
Life is very hard for all, with a few glittering moments. For her, for you, and for a few others, it is extremely sobering, and sometimes exhilarating. You must rekindle the latter because you’ve simply suppressed that possibility because of your obligations. Don’t let reality completely overtake your imagination, your mind, your dreams, and your spirits. Easier said than done for many of us because duty calls us daily.
You’re not any of those characters, you’re LegendHasIt, and that’s even better.
Entelechy on June 29, 2008 at 1:12 AM
“Immigration will be my top priority,” says he at the end of the clip.
Hint to the candidate: Try the NATIONAL SECURITY of your fellow 300 million tax-paying citizens as your TOP PRIORITY…BEFORE the personal demands of 20 million criminal invaders from other countries and their local taxpayer-funded advocates. You answer to the VOTERS and you work for US.
THEY give us the finger and scream in our faces, “You can’t deport us all!” They’re using you and laughing at the rest us. I work in the swamp of it and see the damage to Americans and legal residents with my own eyes.
AmericanDad on June 29, 2008 at 1:18 AM
As someone who lives in Georgia’s #1 GOP ounty – Gwinnett County: My large extended family had a gathering today where I played this for them. For 30 seconds afterwards you could hear a pin drop. Afterwards several who had been trying to talk me out of staying home in November said they had decided to join me. This has the potential to give Obama Georgia and the election. What phoney Manchurian candidate Juan McCain is!
bill30097 on June 29, 2008 at 1:50 AM
Maybe it has come time for the soil of Liberty to once again be refreshed with the blood of tyrants
bill30097 on June 29, 2008 at 1:51 AM
What FDR brought, was an introduction into socialism.
Johan Klaus on June 29, 2008 at 1:53 AM
What Obama will bring is flourishing socialism and an introduction to communism.
Entelechy on June 29, 2008 at 1:56 AM
Mrs. McCain, San Diego County Would Like a Word
MB4 on June 29, 2008 at 2:09 AM
Why do we have a southern border again? Not much point to even having it, much less watching it, really.
spmat on June 29, 2008 at 2:35 AM
It seems like McCain’s fatal flaw is that he continually refuses to step away from his stump speech and explain himself. If by “comprehensive immigration reform” he means “a redux of last summer,” (which is most likely,) then he has once again epically failed. If he wants to attract more conservatives and common sense folks, then he needs to explain himself. What exactly will he do? What plans does he want to enact? Any ideas for criminal illegal aliens? Any reform at ICE? So far, he has been hesitant to step away from the “secure the border” lip-service and delve into specific propositions. He speaks in obtuse terms like “tamper-proof ID” and “temporary worker program.” ID for whom? Temporary worker program for whom? How will it be enacted? What will it cost? What are the implications? I hate to bring this video up again, but I think it’s necessary:
http://www.fresnobee.com/updates/story/685737.html
For reference, the question about immigration I asked was “Besides ’securing the borders,’ what lessons did you learn from comprehensive immigration reform?” His response? Stump speech, with a little greater emphasis on “securing the border” to pander to our conservative central CA/Fresno audience that has felt the effects of immigration quite keenly. In asking the question, I sincerely hoped he would provide me with some new answers. I was somewhat disappointed.
MB007 on June 29, 2008 at 2:49 AM
Also for reference, the video clip is Townhall, Part Five.
MB007 on June 29, 2008 at 2:53 AM
Now that I am living in the Nazareth of the Pacific, I am definitely writing in Fred Thompson, because the POTUS will be decided and anounced before I even vote.
AZCON on June 29, 2008 at 2:58 AM
:-)
LegendHasIt on June 29, 2008 at 2:58 AM
Yep. He brought about the beginning of the end of that great old American virtue of self reliance. From his day forward, most Americans have expected the government to step in when they encounter a bit of bad luck or fail to make wise decisions.
FDR gave us a cancer that has finally metastasized throughout the body.
LegendHasIt on June 29, 2008 at 3:14 AM
He CAN’T explain himself. He doesn’t have the actual understanding to explain 49% of the things that he wants; he only knows that he wants them. Another 49% of the things he wants, he could explain them… but if he did, only a couple of thousand people would vote for him.
That leaves us with about 2% of things that he can honestly offer as reasons why smart folks would want to vote for him.
OK, OK…. My MDS and decades old personal dislike made me exaggerate his failings. Lets make it 45%, 45% and 10%… That’s fair.
LegendHasIt on June 29, 2008 at 3:26 AM
He can’t explain himself because he is not himself, you see.
Sigy on June 29, 2008 at 3:33 AM
“They are God’s children”….and what are we Americans who fought tooth and nail to stop your stupid legislation…the spawn of satan? This pandering scumbag will never get my vote. Hero or not…he’s a RINO and I loathe him and his liberal policies to the utmost. Baldwin ‘08 or Barr ‘08 for me.
Livefreeordie on June 29, 2008 at 3:45 AM
Please take a look at numbers for a bit here…
We spend more money on illegal alians than the Iraq war.
Illegal Aliens have muredered more people than died in 9/11 and Iraq combined (last 5 years).
Saddam did not kill anyone I know… even though I was in Desert Strom, yet I do know 2 people murdered by illegal aliens…
This invasion is MUCH more of a threat to our society, and its citizens, than Iraq ever was… yet you will applaud McCain’s stance on the WOT, while not condenming somthing which kills Americans every single day.
Open your eyes…
Romeo13 on June 29, 2008 at 4:06 AM
Well..I for one will still NOT be voting for Obama!!!! Even tho I hate what McAmnesty has said here, I can only hope and pray that the Congress will keep him from passing ANY amnesty. We all worked last summer to stop Bush’s plan and I say we can do it again!
I hope everyone commenting in this thread is a member of NumbersUSA, which has actively been fighting against illegal immigration for several years. I have gotten many friends to join buy sending them the NumbersUSA website. The feds are now enforcing the laws against hiring illegals, landlords are not renting to illegals and the fence is being built, slowly but it is being built. Illegals are running back to Mexico in droves according to reports in the press.
Illegal immigration IS a big campaign issue and McCain has stepped in a pile of dog poop with this comment….and I am sure he will be hearing about it. This was a bad move on his part for sure!
btw…did anyone hear that the Mexicans are planting trees alongside the fence as a sort of “protest”? ugh..Im thinking its so the Mexicans can use the trees to climb the fence. I hope they are putting some electrical wile around the top of said fence.
becki51758 on June 29, 2008 at 6:59 AM
my thought exactly
maverick muse on June 29, 2008 at 7:15 AM
“Sanctuary cities”
Can’t give another inch for another cross country marathon.
maverick muse on June 29, 2008 at 7:19 AM
misterpeasea on June 28, 2008 at 8:05 PM
Disappointing to hear that from you. To believe that argument requires a shortage of life experience compounded by a heavy dose of insulated academia. Beware of the ill that sets into motion from immature presumptive sophistry. $.02
maverick muse on June 29, 2008 at 7:32 AM
I’ve been mildly heartened in recent months as Mac’s campaign has emphasized his pretty solid health reform and tax cut plans. But stuff like this just proves his passion is on the issues he’s most liberal on. When he talks global warming, campaign finance and amnesty, he exudes sincerity. But when he talks about conservative reforms on health and taxes, it seems so forced. And is anyone buying the “secure the borders first?”
Not sure any of it matters though, as Obama is attracting millions of new voters and will likely walk away with it.
thankful on June 29, 2008 at 8:53 AM
Are we certain that McCain is not Obama’s stalking horse?
OldEnglish on June 29, 2008 at 9:26 AM
He couldn’t even get half of the Dhimmicrats to vote for him. They had to not count Florida and Michigan to even put him over the top. He was SELECTED not elected to go to the general. Look behind the drive-by media’s curtain. BHO is toast when it comes to the general. He’ll only get the coastal crazy states.
Mojave Mark on June 29, 2008 at 9:30 AM
McCain! you’re lucky Obama sucks worse than you.
ajmontana on June 29, 2008 at 9:31 AM
It appears from the news media positioning, academia, and those indoctrinated by both that this great country is about to take a huge left turn.
The result will be economic disaster.
I find it hard to believe the American people will accept it. Gasoline at $7 to $10 will cripple the economy beyond recognition.
This country can and will survive unless the socialists can import and indoctrinate enough souls that will accept the substandard quality of life that will result.
When “the soil of Liberty is refreshed with the blood of tyrannts”
I hope and believe it will be the blood of the socialist Dems and their RINO enablers like John McCain.
Thanks for the quote bill30097.
dhunter on June 29, 2008 at 9:33 AM
The reason it takes so long is due to people like you who refuse to support one, prefering to back a Democrat in Republican clothing instead. Don’t complain about the lack of a decent third party while voting for McCain.
If America is going down the tubes, and it is, the fault lies not in the politicians or the parties, but in the people. They need to stand up and start voting for what they (allegedly) believe in. Or shut up about what they (allegedly) believe in. They cannot continue to vote for socialism while mouthing platitudes about liberty and freedom. And I’m thinking mainly of Republican voters here.
flenser on June 29, 2008 at 9:49 AM
And the congregation bowed their heads and murmured, Amen…
Beto Ochoa on June 29, 2008 at 9:50 AM
I think they are competing with each other to see who can suck most badly. And they are running neck and neck at present.
flenser on June 29, 2008 at 9:51 AM
Third parties don’t flourish here for two much, much bigger reasons then E. Namely we don’t have a parlimentary system (yea!) and the spoils system. The spoils system, as it is right now, makes it next to impossible for a 3rd party to exist without the demise or transformation of one of the big 2.
Spirit of 1776 on June 29, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Ein Dilemma
Johan Klaus on June 29, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Of course, we don’t need a parlimentary system to have third parties. We need a grown-up election system, which means no winners with a mere plurality. Think “instant run-off”.
flenser on June 29, 2008 at 10:07 AM
Your position is clear, and you argue it forcefully. But something still doesn’t add up for me in your analysis. To have gotten to the point we are, with a socialist and quasi-socialist running (not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to frame the argument), we must be further gone than most will admit to. After all, one of them is going to be the next President.
Since that’s the case, why do you merely advocate voting for a relatively unknown third party candidate as the source of the solution? To save the country, wouldn’t much greater action be called for? No calls for mass demonstrations? No calls for civil disobedience? No calls for any physical resistance?
Why is your “solution” any better at stopping the damage this time around than the “solution” of trying to manage the “quasi-socialist” once he wins?
Is yours simply a variation on the theme of preferring to let the damage be done by the Democrats?
JiangxiDad on June 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Why don’t we have an instant run-off system? Because the duopoly recognise it as a threat to their stranglehold on power.
flenser on June 29, 2008 at 10:09 AM
That’s a very constructive idea.
JiangxiDad on June 29, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Bipartisanship=to heck with the U.S. citizen’s wishes.
Johan Klaus on June 29, 2008 at 10:22 AM
This sort of fatalism is not, dare I say, very conservative. Or not very Reaganite. I don’t accept your basic assumptions. I don’t accept that the next President must be one of the two socialists. He may be, but the failure in that case lies with the voters.
People can pretend all they like that they don’t like MCain and would prefer somebody else. Actions speak louder than words.
Well, I’m admitting to it. In fact I’m trying to get the smug and complacent McCain backers to admit it.
No. I think that there is a lot more to that argument then people here will concede, but I’m not simply saying that. I’m trying to get people to believe in themselves. I’m trying to get people to shake off their European style apathy and acquiescence to the steady centralization of power, under both parties.
It’s clear from reading the comments sections on “conservative” blogs like this that there are many Republicans who support socialism, defined as “rule of the technocratic elite”. I’m here to make the Hayakian/Reganite argument to liberals. (By which I mean, HA commenters.) Saving the country has to start with individual people, then with individual political parties.
I think it is possible for a third party run to succede, given what contemptible scum the Dems and Reps have put forward. I also think that third party runs don’t even need to win to succeed. Once they start to siphon off votes from the duopoly, one or both of the two parties tries to co-opt the issues the third party is running on.
Many people here like to claim that Perot was a disaster for the right. Leaving aside the fact that most of the people saying this voted for Clinton in the ninties, the reality is that his large share of the vote spurred both parties to be more responsive to the people. We not only got a conservative Congress, we got a Democratic President who was notably to the right of the current Republican contender.
flenser on June 29, 2008 at 10:35 AM
All you need to know about Ayn Rand.
flenser on June 29, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Good.
JiangxiDad on June 29, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Payng your stupid taxes should be the priority yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Dave Rywall on June 29, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Rumors of my state of inebriation are greatly exaggerated.
Indeed, I must have misunderstood the original post… a thousand pardons. Now, then, can we please resume debating the merits of a McCain and/or Obama presidency? Because I think I’m nearly sober again.
wccawa on June 29, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Thank you for the link. I had not been aware of either Ayn Rand or Atlas Shrugged. Having read the article, I now know why. What a load of stuff and nonsense!
OldEnglish on June 29, 2008 at 11:24 AM
mccain just cares more than all us evil racist homophobic bigoted sexist conservatives do….
about getting his lawn mowed by dark skinned serfs working for slave wages…..
right4life on June 29, 2008 at 11:26 AM
PLEASE! Unaware, and you read one, albeit interesting article on Randism, and declare it bankrupt? Preposterous. That’s not doing your due diligence.
JiangxiDad on June 29, 2008 at 11:52 AM
This thread is at 397 comments as I post
I am getting peppered with emails from ‘GOP’ related sources filled with the ‘hold your nose and vote’ arguments for McCain.
The link posted explains that bad conservatives, fed up with GOP betrayals, want to teach GOP politicians a lesson by voting in worse politicians
Based on his prior behaviour I have no certainty that McCain will honor any promises. I can’t forget McCain’s tactics on Shamnesty. I know McCain has an advisor who helped position Souter for the Supreme Court.
This election is like taking daily enemas from your enemies without compensation
Eat it or the dog will make more on your lawn kind of seduction
McCain could not let me have one tiny moment of pleasure over the Court gun decision without making me worry about the possible need to arm up and overthrow the army of paid mercenaries he is forming of people from other nations
Was it Vietnam? What makes this guy such a sadist?
entagor on June 29, 2008 at 12:10 PM
JiangxiDad on June 29, 2008 at 11:52 AM
OE/f sockpuppet
maverick muse on June 29, 2008 at 12:33 PM
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