McCain on immigration reform: “I’m glad I did it”
posted at 1:16 pm on June 27, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Via Byron York. We know he’s planning to revisit the issue — the day after he’s inaugurated, no less — but the lack of remorse is news to me. What happened to that “lesson” he supposedly learned about securing the border first?
College betting is obviously an interstate commerce issue
(So Nevada should not have the right to have sports betting?)
The issue has been dead for years
(Despite your efforts, and I thought you were running on effectiveness, so how can it be dead?)
I haven’t won on every issue. I didn’t win on immigration reform, but I’ll go back at it. And I’m glad I did it.
Watch the Meet the Press clip linked up top to remind yourself of how uncomfortable he was, even when he was spouting garbage about having learned his lesson, with saying that he’d veto his crap amnesty bill if it landed on his desk as president. He succeeded in dodging the question entirely with Russert, in fact, but was finally badgered into saying that he’d veto it — almost en passant — at the Reagan Library debate three days later. It comes right at the beginning here, around 35 seconds in. Exit question: Why on earth would he feel compelled to say he’s glad he pushed for a bill that the base hates with a nuclear passion? I understand he has to walk a tightrope between Latino voters and border-enforcement conservatives, but that’s precisely my point: This isn’t how you behave on a tightrope. This is him flipping the bird to amnesty opponents. What gives?
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McObama or ObaMcCain…whats the difference?
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 2:19 PM
This is about the fourth time I’ve posted these.
1. Border security,..real, not virtual, with teeth.
2. Sanctuary cities- Remove federal funding or punish some other way.
3. Big time fines and jail time for employers using illegal labor, if it is a pattern of abuse. If employers have to break the law to run a profitable business, maybe they shouldn’t be in that business.
4. Eliminate free social services for illegals.
5. Eliminate anchor baby benefits.
6. Deportation isn’t an issue. They will leave voluntarily as has been shown in several states.
a capella on June 27, 2008 at 2:19 PM
only a child would equate ‘maturity’ with selling out your convictions to vote for mccain.
laughable.
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 2:20 PM
You’re funny. Please go over to DailyKos and they will tell you what’s the difference between the two.
terryannonline on June 27, 2008 at 2:20 PM
A bit naive, JetBoy. Someone is going to be blamed, and punished, for stupid and costly policies like global warmism and amnesty.
Accuse me of derangement all you want, but it seems to me that I’m thinking more clearly, and farther ahead, than you are. I don’t hate McCain, I hate his policies and what they’ll do to the Republican party.
misterpeasea on June 27, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Maybe or maybe not but I could go vote for them and not feel like I just sold my soul and shot my dog. I would love to vote for someone instead of voting against someone else. I can’t sell myself out again on a liberal with an R by his name. If we don’t stop were just gonna get more of the same. We made it thru Jimmy Carter 1 and we’ll make it thru Jimmy Carter 2.
Big Orange on June 27, 2008 at 2:22 PM
you only think there is a difference. captain queeg has taken every opportunity to
work withsurrender to the democratswhat makes you think he’ll change?
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Large numbers of poor immigrants from other countries have been coming into the USA for many years, and have not caused any problems that have not been outweighed by the benefits of having them here. The 12-20 million illegal immigrants in this country are already here, and I think getting them (or their children) on the path to becoming Americans would be a better idea than deporting all of them.
Also, your comment seems to assume that we will simply give away citizenship and/or voting rights to those who are here, but that’s not the case, even with the immigration reform bill from 2007. You seem to be afraid that letting more people into this country, or recognizing the ones who are already here, will jeopardize your political agenda, which only goes to show how feeble it really is.
Big S on June 27, 2008 at 2:23 PM
Amen
Big Orange on June 27, 2008 at 2:25 PM
I have a vision of the future ….
Date: June 27, 2016. Location; a right wing blog, somewhere on the internet.
Republican #1
“I can’t believe we are expected to vote for Tim Brown for President. The man favors nationalization of industry. That’s not conservative!”
Republican #2
“So who are you to say what’s conservative or not? Besides, the Democrats are running John Smith, and he favors nationalization of industry PLUS he wants to make everybody live in communes. We have to go with the lesser of the two evils.”
Republican #1
“Look, we don’t have to d that. We can vote for somebody other than these two if we want.”
Republican #2
“When’s the last time somebody other than a Democrat or Republican won the White House? A non-vote for Brown is the same as a vote for Smith.”
Republican #1
“But a vote for Brown is a vote for socialism! If we want conservatism we need to support the conservative candidate.”
Republican #2
“I’m starting to think that you’re a moby for Smith. If we don’t support Brown then Smith wins That’s what you want, right?”
Republican #1
“No, I want us to elect a candidate who believes in freedom and the Bill of Rights and America.”
Republican #2
“The time for that was the primaries. Now we must vote for Brown. I know, he’s not great, but we must support him now or we’ll be living in communes!”
Fade to black.
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 2:26 PM
and you’re not thinking long-term.
even if queeg is slightly better than obama, republicans and conservatism will get the blame for whatever happens in the next 4 years…and it ain’t lookin pretty..
better to rebuilt an actual conservative movement, and let the moderate republicans go down big-time, than elect queeg.
bottom line:
if you get queeg, then conservatism is over, finished kaput…but thats what you want, isn’t it?
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 2:27 PM
You are exactly right Limerick. Its just incredibly frustrating. I would be happy to hear someone make a compelling case in favor of illegal immigration. To tell you the truth, when this issue really heated up I tried very hard to find any reason, any reason at all that people like George Bush and John McCain were so adamant about it. I would listen carefully every time they talked about the issue. I wanted to hear the reason they found themselves on the other side of the issue. I really wanted to hear the words that made me say, “ahhhh, I get it now. That makes alot of sense. I never took that into account.” Unfortunately, every time they spoke they stumbled through a bunch of tired and easily debunked talking points and occasionally called me racist, lazy, unpatriotic and/or xenophobic along the way. Not only was their argument illogical but their tactics were dispicable. Attempting to sneak the bill through. Attempting to pull the wool over the eyes of everybody who actually cared enough to pay attention. They lied to us. They deceived us. They attempted to tell us we were of the minority opinion despite what the polls told us. Remember Teddy Kennedy calling a news conference to show us the boxes of letters they received in favor of “Comprehensive Immigration Reform.” Only later we found out the boxes were all completely empty. It was a show. It was a giant lie. It was cowardice on full display. It was taking a page right out of Stalin’s playbook. It was Kafkaesque. And our boys, who we have spent so much time defending were proudly standing there, all too happy to stab us all in the back. It was the moment I truly learned we need to keep our eyes on these people. Sure, I already knew that but now that was really drilled home. Keep your eyes on these scumbags. They are trying to sell us out.
I just thing some people are very slow to learn that all of these characters are bad right now. None of us should have any loyalty to a singular person or party. People and parties betray us. Now all we have is our ideas. Now all that matters is issues. The time to clean house is now.
Zetterson on June 27, 2008 at 2:27 PM
Love all these arguments.
You don’t like McCain, blame yourselves. He didn’t get the nomination by rigging the ballot box. Why are you bashing McCain for being McCain? You should be bashing yourselves for letting the party slip in a direction you don’t like. We are playing the classic ‘victim’ story out here.
What Ameripundit, and Squid were trying to point out (I hope this is right) is that some of us believe in working to fix what we have and not make something new. If you want something new then by all means make it. I hope you succeed.
And Flenser…..my first wife and family are immigrants from Central America. My second wife and family are immigrants from Europe. They are just as right leaning as anyone on these boards.
Limerick on June 27, 2008 at 2:27 PM
A voice of reason. Thank you.
JetBoy on June 27, 2008 at 2:27 PM
2016. So you’re an optimist.
JiangxiDad on June 27, 2008 at 2:28 PM
6 of one, 5.9 of the other.
MB4 on June 27, 2008 at 2:28 PM
Before I knew Amnesty’s name
And heard it’s wail and whinin’
I had a country and it had me
And the sun was always shinin’
But then one day Bush and McCain betrayed me
And left me far behind them
And now I’m lost, so gone and lost
Not even God can find me
MB4 on June 27, 2008 at 2:30 PM
yeah die a little slower…I think I’d rather have quick…..
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 2:31 PM
So what if he has worked with Democrats? Aren’t you sick and tired of all the bickering.
No Democrats are Bad!
No Republicans are Evil!
You are like George Bush!
Well, you are like Jimmy Carter!
terryannonline on June 27, 2008 at 2:31 PM
What gives is a liberal is running as a Republican which is nothing new given the past 4 to 8 years.
The Dems already won this election. The only question is by how much. Is it going to be Dem lite as in McCain or a complete rout with Obama. Either way the conservatives have lost this election.
Anyone voting for McCain is just perpetuating the current one party system as well as re-enforcing the RINO-fication of GOP. Careful now, don’t want to spill your kool aid.
voiceofreason on June 27, 2008 at 2:31 PM
Yes, because whoever they like less is who we should vote for. They liked Hillary less than Obama. Did you do your duty and vote for her in the primaries?
Hmmm, maybe that’s why McCain slipped through to the nomination.
And JetBoy, the assertion that the republican primaries are not over are about as naive as can be. He is the candidate. The only thing that would keep him from the nomination would be death, and I’m pretty sure he’d come back as a zombie if that happened.
MadisonConservative on June 27, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Come and listen to a story about a man named Juan
A turncoat senator, he barely managed to keep enough conservatives mislead,
Then one day he was shootin his mouth off at some conservative dude,
And up through the ground came a leafing crude.
Lettuce that is, green gold, plantation tea.
Well the first thing you know ol Juan’s campaign chest is that of a millionaire,
Agri-business said “Juan move yourself up there”
Said “El Presidency is the place you ought to be”
So he loaded up his wife’s private jet to move to Washington.
D.C., that is. Lobbyists, payoffs.
Well now its time for Juan to say goodbye to all his campaign spin.
And Juan would like to thank you suckas’ fer kindly votin’ him in.
You’re all invited back again for 2012 for all this mockery
To have a heapin helpin of Juan’s lack of hospitality
LaRasa hospitality that is. Set a spell Gringo, Take a deep breath now.
Y’all can go to Hell now, y’hear?.
MB4 on June 27, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Possibly strategic If his campaign is working on a plan to woo California Latinos and force Barack to defend the state with ads. Maybe St. Barack overspends in and his fundrasing decreases.
Or McCain’s internal numbers from Florida are worrying him.
Theworldisnotenough on June 27, 2008 at 2:34 PM
There are no benefits to having them here. The problems, on the other hand, are immense.
I see. Are you even vaguely aware that they vote for the left by a huge margin? Does that bother you at all? Who do you expect to be voting Republican sixteen years from now?
You sure have a short attention span, because in your preceding sentence you said that we should put “them” on a path to citizenship. They sure looks like “giving away citizenship” to me.
Wow.
I was under the impression that it was your political agenda as well. Was I wrong? Are you coming clean as a left wing troll? What exactly is your political agenda?
Perhaps we need to find out who exactly is supporting McCain. It sure looks like they are pro-war liberals, who buy into the entire liberal agenda apart from Iraq.
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Sounds about right. Probably has been true for some time.
We have far left/socialists (called Democrats in our country) and centrist-left (called Republicans). Still two parties. Plus an un/under-represented conservative class.
How very European of us. I suppose it won’t be long before we’re called Nationalists (or Nativists?).
JiangxiDad on June 27, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Um, aren’t you anti-war?
It’s not like you were going to vote for McCain in the first place. Were you?
terryannonline on June 27, 2008 at 2:36 PM
If the absence of bickering means capitulation to your idealogical enemies and betrayal of personal values, then NO!!
Darksean on June 27, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Speaking for myself, I’d much, much rather bicker with Democrats than compromise my principles to them.
Stand for something, or fall for anything.
thirteen28 on June 27, 2008 at 2:37 PM
I am starting to wonder if Maverick wants to lose this election. He only wanted the nomination to defeat a conservative, get a liberal in the WHite House and become the Great Statesman by cutting deals with the enemy. He hasn’t given me any reason to doubt that theory.
David in ATL on June 27, 2008 at 2:38 PM
this isn’t ‘bickering’ this is a clash of worldviews.
notice how republicans ALWAYS compromise their principles to work with the democrats
the democrats NEVER EVER EVER compromise to work with republicans.
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 2:38 PM
I repeat, half the commenters here are pro-war liberals.
I’m not tired of the bickering. I am tired of indulging pro-war liberals as they turn my party into a carbon copy of the one they destroyed, then left.
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Amnesty supporters use the most dishonest and disingenuous arguments.
Not true. In the past, they came here to assimilate, which the illegals today are not as interested in. And even in the past, there were problems - crime and poverty. Not to mention their politics.
More importantly, in the present, the illegals are causing huge problems. Ask California, Arizona, Texas, Nevada, New Mexico. Ask Atlanta, GA. Google “Florencia 13.”
Of course you do, but there are a couple of problems. Lots of them have no interest in becoming Americans. They want jobs, and they want to send their money back to their relatives, and they want to move home when it’s time to retire. And they will deport, and are deporting, themselves. And finally, WHY do you think it’s a better idea?
Wrong. That’s exactly the case for the amnesty bill from 2007. And it’s not just citizenship and voting rights, it’s instant access to the welfare state.
Letting more people from a socialist tradition into this country, or granting citizenship and voting rights to them, is a threat to CAPITALISM and REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY.
And terryann: please don’t go into the light. McCain got much less than half of Republican votes in the competitive part of the primary, and good ol’ Huckster helped him split the vote.
misterpeasea on June 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM
You cannot run a country based on anecdotes. The facts are that immigrants are bad for the country economically and politically.
So, what do your “right leaning” immigrant relatives think of Americas open borders policy?
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 2:42 PM
I’m sorry but people have to compromise. I will use an analogy. I’m a Christian. There are many things I disagree with because of my beliefs. I don’t drink alcohol, engage in pre-marital sex, etc. However, I live in a world where people do those things. So for civility I don’t say a word about people drinking alcohol. Am I capitulating my Christian beliefs because I don’t say anything? I don’t think so.
terryannonline on June 27, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Your religious decisions don’t affect the entire nation. Your political decisions do.
MadisonConservative on June 27, 2008 at 2:44 PM
mccain does just the opposite of ’saying nothing’…he actively goes along with the agenda of the left.
he’s joining them at the bar!!! to drink the liberal kool aid
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Pretty much, we’re getting taken leftward by sellouts like McCain. McCain “compromise” to advance conservatism in the long run, he and the rest of the RINO brigades want us to move leftward, just “not so fast.” They tried that in the UK, its now turning into a fascist hellhole. No thanks.
doubleplusundead on June 27, 2008 at 2:45 PM
thats right, if mccain gets in, conservatism is over in this country for a generation.
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 2:46 PM
I would agree, but the problem with your entreaty is that the other side has no interest in compromise as it has traditionally been defined. To the left, compromise means not giving in and making the other side give you all you want. That’s not compromising to me. Is giving everything away compromising to you??
Darksean on June 27, 2008 at 2:47 PM
The bill would have given Z visas to those who passed an initial background check. The Z visas could be used to stay in the USA, and after eight years, would have made the holders eligible to apply for a Green Card, on the condition of paying fines, etc. If a Green Card is obtained, it takes five years to reach the point at which an application for citizenship can be filed. Based on this, I can count at least 13 years, with at least three mandatory reviews, before citizenship, and therefore, voting rights, may be granted to any illegal immigrant. This is not “giving away citizenship”.
The only conversations I’ve had with you have dealt with things like creationism in public schools, gay marriage, and immigration. I vehemently disagree with you on these things, but rest assured, I’m not a lefty.
Big S on June 27, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Lousy analogy.
Others engaging in pre-marital boinkage or knocking back a few after work doesn’t force you to compromise on your principles by doing the same.
thirteen28 on June 27, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Hey, but all that sweet talk is so persuasive! It just makes us want to run right out and
PICK LETTUCEvolunteer for John McCain!Nichevo on June 27, 2008 at 2:47 PM
That’s a stupid analogy. To be on point, you’d have to have said that you “compromised” by only getting drunk on weekends, and only having pre-marital sex every other month. That would be a correct analogy with McCain.
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 2:48 PM
REHASH REHASH…
He’s said on many earlier occasions, including before and after his public confession of “lesson learned”. We understand that WE MUST BIND MCCAIN. Step one: remind folks that the only trust in McCain’s immigration drive is his desire to finish what he started. It marks a certain personality trait: stubborn self righteousness as his life is insulated from the negative effects and will benefit from the “positive” effect of cheap labor for his wife’s business and free open beer trade across the western hemisphere. Back in the 1970’s bottled drink truck drivers in Arizona earned $35-50K a year with union benefits when new home mortgages around the Valley of the Sun (PHX) ranged around $400/600 month, a fine blue collar career opportunity for American highschool graduates. The only folks benefiting from immigration reform are the illegal aliens. McCain and the RNC can send us a thousand letters requesting money. But until Fred Thompson’s platform is officially endorsed by the GOP and McCain, I will not give them a dime.
maverick muse on June 27, 2008 at 2:48 PM
But that’s my point. News flash: The country doesn’t only include conservatives. It includes liberal. It includes moderates. We have to work with people that don’t agree with us. That’s just reality.
terryannonline on June 27, 2008 at 2:48 PM
I guess you have a good point if you assume the issues being debated aren’t important. Apparently you missed yesterday’s SCOTUS ruling where 4 libtard justices tossed the 2nd amendment under the bus …… imagine what would have happened with just 1 more libatrd on that bench.
What I am sick of is people complaining about other people passionately fighting over matters that they believe are important.
David in ATL on June 27, 2008 at 2:49 PM
I’m sorry but people have to compromise. I will use an analogy. I’m a Christian. There are many things I disagree with because of my beliefs. I don’t drink alcohol, engage in pre-marital sex, etc. However, I live in a world where people do those things. So for civility I don’t say a word about people drinking alcohol. Am I capitulating my Christian beliefs because I don’t say anything? I don’t think so.
Would you stand in front of Christ and offer that as a defense for not carrying out the Great Commission?
Big Orange on June 27, 2008 at 2:49 PM
No, they don’t, but even if they did, why is it conservatives and Republicans who are always the ones compromising their principles and values?
They don’t have to
capitulatecompromise. They could stand by their principles and have blessed gridlock.Compromise and bipartisanship produce really crappy results. See, e.g., the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, sponsored by good ol’ John McCain and Russ Feingold.
misterpeasea on June 27, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Maybe you’re not a lefty per se but you are a Nanny Stater, favoring things like gun bans and smoking bans. You’re no friend to conservatism. In fact, I’ve never once seen you articulate conservative philosophy, not once, even on those rare occasions where you happen to stumble upon a position that meshes with general conservative consensus.
doubleplusundead on June 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Thank God Jesus didn’t compromise.
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM
I don’t think that I will rest assured. You already admitted to taking the left wing position on immigration, gay amrriage, and the public schools. Where do you stand on other issues?
To make it easy, just tell me what issues you agree with the right on. I get the feeling that will be a shorter list.
Then explain how massive Third World immigration does not threaten those issues.
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM
McCain’s Day Of Repudiation
The more McCain talks — about wicked “speculators,” about how he reveres ANWR as much as the Grand Canyon, about adjusting the planet’s thermostat, etc. — the more conservatives cling to judicial nominees as a reason for supporting him. But now another portion of his signature legislation has been repudiated by the court as an affront to the First Amendment, and again Roberts and Alito have joined the repudiation. Yet McCain promises to nominate jurists like them. Is that believable?
- George Will
MB4 on June 27, 2008 at 2:52 PM
Wow! McStupid really knows how to unite the base, doesn’t he? I can’t wait for the coverage of his upcoming visit to Mexico.
james23 on June 27, 2008 at 2:52 PM
abortion is always the issue to tell if someone is liberal or conservative.
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 2:52 PM
We don’t work with them. We show them our ideas, we show the proof that they work, and we show the failures of the opposing ideas. If people have the interest in seeing success in this nation, they choose our ideas. If they like the ones that sound better, they choose those.
MadisonConservative on June 27, 2008 at 2:53 PM
I wouldn’t necessarily say that is true. Look at the only president they’ve had in the past twenty years: Bill Clinton. Do you think the ultra-liberals agreed with every legislation Billy Jeff passed? NO!
terryannonline on June 27, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Tell it to the Marxists, I’m done compromising, the line is drawn.
doubleplusundead on June 27, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Which, if it didn’t happen in something like 24 or 48 hours (for all 20 million applying) then that background check was waived.
Beautiful, gorgeous plan. It would keep out ALL the undesireables, eh?
Darksean on June 27, 2008 at 2:54 PM
News flash: Working with other people does not require you to engage in self abasment and repudiation of your own beliefs, while embracing the beliefs of others.
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 2:54 PM
Like the Mexican drug cartels whose turf wars have arrived? I take it you live nowhere near Arizona or southern Texas.
Shay on June 27, 2008 at 2:54 PM
The country also includes bank robbers, rapist, drug dealers…etc should we also compromise with them? Lower the standards of what is illegal? Let em rob every other bank?
Big Orange on June 27, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Flenser, you are on FIYAH today!
Darksean on June 27, 2008 at 2:55 PM
That’s an interesting comment, seeing as probably, oh, about 95% of the country are immigrants or children of immigrants…It think that is what they said about the:
Italians
Irish
Chinese
Jooooos
You know how they screwed up this country…
right2bright on June 27, 2008 at 2:56 PM
It also includes Islamic Jihadists, KKK members, Communist sympathisers and sexists. Newsflash, the country doesn’t only include sane people. Do you suggest we work with them too? All you have is your own beliefs. All you have is what you know is right. All you can do is fight for it and not compromise with the, at best, misinformed, at worst, evil. To compromise accomplishes nothing but moving towards being misinformed and/or tolerating evil.
terryannonline, you strike me as sheltered. Naive, yet good hearted. A naturally conservative person who hasn’t yet been mugged. You still have not seen, first hand, the ugly side of life. You havn’t touched the hot stove.
Zetterson on June 27, 2008 at 2:57 PM
QFE
we will see souters and kennedys if mccain is elected president
chasdal on June 27, 2008 at 2:58 PM
I sure know how people like you screw up the country.
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 2:58 PM
That’s an idiotic comment, seeing as 100% of the population of every country are immigrants or the children of immigrants.
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 3:00 PM
thats par for the course for right2stupid
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Nanny Stater? Ha! The only reason why I’m fine with certain kinds of gun bans (I support restrictions on very powerful weapons in public places) and smoking (if health codes can regulate food, water, and surface cleanliness in restaurants, why not the air in them? I do support an “opt-out” for smoking bans, though) is that I don’t think they’re going to make or break the country. I do not feel as though my freedom is threatened because I can’t tote a rack of automatic rifles around on the back of my pickup truck, or light up a cigarette in any establishment I choose.
Big S on June 27, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Conflating legal immigrants with illegals, another favorite tactic of the pro-illegal immigrant crowd.
thirteen28 on June 27, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Are you saying that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are the equivalent to “Islamic Jihadists, KKK members, Communist sympathizers and sexists”?
Because if you believe that then we will be deadlock country that can’t accomplish a single thing for decades.
terryannonline on June 27, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Big S, still waiting for that list of issues you agree with the right on.
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Heh. Just when I start to get vexed with you, you go an butter me up by calling him Billy Jeff. But BJ didn’t pass the legislation, the Republican Congress did. And BJ didn’t compromise, he was dragged kicking and screaming. How many times did he veto, or threaten to veto, the welfare reform that he now brags about? And also notice: we get much better results when liberals compromise than when conservatives compromise.
Like he said:
Yeah, now add in McCain’s great idea to “de-emphasize” voter fraud enforcement, and I start getting a bit paranoid about his intentions.
misterpeasea on June 27, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Let me see: four times five is twelve, and four times six is thirteen, and four times seven is … … oh dear! I shall never get to twenty at that rate!
Sigy on June 27, 2008 at 3:04 PM
who decides what is ‘very powerful’??? hmmm?? and if you can’t take a gun in a public place, then you might as well not have them.
your freedom is threatened whether you realize it or not..its like Bonhoeffer said, if you don’t stand for freedom now, on things that don’t affect you personally, then when they do affect you personally it will be too late…
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 3:06 PM
First off, kiss all of that goodbye if Obama wins. That’s my main point. No use busting on McCain now, the primaries are over.
Second, I agree with most of that. Not the part about self-deportation tho. Have any precedent at all for it?
One thing you, and so many, have ignored….the economic ramifications of mass deportation. Not to mention, we ARE talking about human beings here, the vast majority of which are good, family people…hard-working…and simply, at this point, cannot just go down to some federal office and apply for citizenship. They’ll be deported immediately, and that scares them more than anything else.
You’re being too cut-and-dry. Most issues I too see in black and white, but this particular one doesn’t work that way.
JetBoy on June 27, 2008 at 3:06 PM
yeah pretty much, since they side with the islamic jihadists and their economics are a little to the left of uncle Karl Marx…
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 3:07 PM
well i you think those two have America’s best interests at heart than that one poster was right about you being kind-hearted and naive.
chasdal on June 27, 2008 at 3:07 PM
somehow we managed all these centuries without them…whassa matter can’t cut your lawn without a brown-skinned serf to do it for ya??
this illegal immigration is a throwback to slavery…exploit them for their labor, and pretend to care about them….right.
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Are you saying that we should not compromise with “Islamic Jihadists, KKK members, Communist sympathizers and sexists”? How uncompromising of you.
(Sexists? What the hell is that doing in there? Only a lefty thinks that “sexists’ are the same as the KKK. And I’m pretty sure that Ted K is a sexist.)
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Funny, because I see Alito and Roberts… because of McCain and his successful attempt at blocking the filibuster over them.
Derangement at it’s finest.
JetBoy on June 27, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Zetterson wrote that part, I didn’t.
terryannonline on June 27, 2008 at 3:11 PM
And Byrd is KKK.
And by policy votes, a great majority of them are communist sympathizers. One’s even a member of the socialist party.
So, yes, I guess that IS what we are saying…
Darksean on June 27, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Look, “JetBoy”, it’s been explained to you mutliple times that nobody is talking about “mass deportation” but you. So how about you shut up about it now?
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Economics, generally (Keeping taxes low, Free Trade, etc.)
Most foreign policy issues
Affirmative action
Education reform
Energy policy (although I think things like ANWR are over-hyped on the right)
Health care (to a large extent, anyway)
The Second Amendment guarantees an individual right (although I disagree about the extent of that right)
No to the Fairness Doctrine
Tort reform
…
Thare are many more, but they are not really hot-button issues, so they don’t get discussed too often.
Big S on June 27, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Haven’t people responded to you several times on this thread already about that?
I was in Phoenix recently. A big local TV news story was about an elementary school that was closing during the school year, and featured upset parents and children and staff. Why was it closing? The overwhelmingly Latino student body had simply “disappeared.”
JiangxiDad on June 27, 2008 at 3:13 PM
No, is that what I said? But they may be Communist sympathizers now that you mention it.
Your point was that we have many different political ideologies in the mix and we should be willing to compromise with them. What is a political ideology though? It is nothing more than a series of beliefs. A way of seeing the world. Being a KKK member is part of a series of beliefs. It is a political ideology. We Conservatives are often compared to them by stupid people who use terms like “nativist” and “racist”. A KKK member would, by today’s standards be considered very very far out on the right wing of the political spectrum. If, according to you, we should be willing to compromise with people accross the political spectrum why should we be unwilling to compromise with a current day member of the KKK sitting way off to the right side of the political spectrum?
You might say that is crazy. You might look at that and say why would I ever compromise with someone I know is wrong? Someone I know has a warped view of the world. Well, thats what all thinking people should be saying about Nancy Pelosi.
Zetterson on June 27, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Blind McShamnesty sycophantism at its finest.
Darksean on June 27, 2008 at 3:13 PM
All these centuries? What, TWO? And last time I checked, the US was founded by immigrants.
btw I do cut my own lawn, thank you. And please, feel free to pay $5.00 for a head of lettuce, and get some overpaid union workers to build your new deck.
Think, will ya?
JetBoy on June 27, 2008 at 3:13 PM
There was once an experiment done where first graders were given a choice between getting one cookie now or two cookies an hour later.
Were you and Squid Shark in that experiment years ago? Did he ever admit that he should have followed you lead and also waited the hour to get the two cookies?
MB4 on June 27, 2008 at 3:13 PM
I refuse to believe that anybody is stupid enough to believe this, so I can only assume it’s dishonesty.
McCain did not block the filibuster of Roberts and Alito. He did enable the filibuster of many other judges though.
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 3:13 PM
yeah but he stayed in first grade!
right4life on June 27, 2008 at 3:14 PM
:-P
Admittedly, that made me laugh out loud
JetBoy on June 27, 2008 at 3:15 PM
Truly, you don’t see a big difference between Giuliani supporting Manhattan Republicans such as yourself, and other conservatives?
JiangxiDad on June 27, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Had to look up sycophantism to make sure it was even a word!
Darksean on June 27, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Reading through this thread there is one thing I believe that we can all agree with (even AllahP)….
We’re scroomed. (courtesy of MB4, I believe)
Limerick on June 27, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Yes JD…I’ve seen the responses. And like yours, it says nothing about it being successful. The latino student body did not “disappear”, nor did they return to LAtin America. They just went to a neighboring state. Here. So, how is the problem fixed?
JetBoy on June 27, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Big S
Now, can you explain how the creation of millions of new left wing voters will not do damage to all of the things you just mentioned?
I assume you oppose Obama because of his stance on all those issues. Hispanics love Obama much more than McCain, in spite of McCains frantic attempts to suck up to them. How does Hispanic “immigration” into the US not make Obama style policies inevitable?
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Lettuce? Friggin lettuce? You best come up with something better than lettuce and I’ll build my own damn deck.
Big Orange on June 27, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Duh….
I dunno. Maybe if all the states followed suit, there would be no more states left for the criminals to run to?
flenser on June 27, 2008 at 3:20 PM
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