Quinnipiac: Majorities in four battleground states want troops in Iraq until it’s stable

posted at 10:10 pm on June 26, 2008 by Allahpundit

Via Ace, a taste of true hope and change:

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Good news for Maverick? It surely ain’t bad, but Greg Sargent notes that Obama leads him in all four of these states notwithstanding the surge in opinion. My hunch is that improvements in Iraq don’t do much for McCain except to neutralize the issue: The public thinks the war was wrong and credits Obama with getting that right, so even if McCain ends up being right on the surge it ends up, at best, a wash. That’s a hell of a lot better than the GOP expected this issue to play 18 months ago, but it’s hard to imagine a further shift before November so profound that calling for a renewed, expensive, extended commitment to Iraq actually becomes a political asset.

In any case, winning in Iraq is more important than McCain’s campaign, a point he himself (to his great credit) concedes. Polls like this may not save the GOP, but they’ll make the great flip-flopper think twice before doing anything rash. “Tactical readjustments” indeed.


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Reality sets in.

jgapinoy on June 26, 2008 at 10:12 PM

ronsfi, immitation is flattery…coming soon…

CNN learned today that Sen. Obama threw withdrawal from Iraq under the bus. Mr. Moulitsas’ head exploded but Mr. Obama’s support hasn’t suffered much beyond that.

Entelechy on June 26, 2008 at 10:22 PM

That’s a pretty bad poll question. The second option involves withdrawing the troops also and has a vague use of the words “more stable.”

Nonfactor on June 26, 2008 at 10:27 PM

I bet the track of the percentage increase is related to the percentage decrease of this.

Weight of Glory on June 26, 2008 at 10:29 PM

HA! And again I say HA! Screw you and the horse you rode in on 60′s wackadoos.

thatcher on June 26, 2008 at 10:31 PM

AP. You left out “modalities of the withdrawal”

…”Mr Obama frequently points out that he will consult US commanders on the ground and the Iraqi government about his withdrawal plans. “We have a great deal of flexibility about the modalities of the withdrawal but we are clear that it will take place under an Obama administration,” said a senior Obama adviser.

Nelsa on June 26, 2008 at 10:32 PM

a wash is as good as you can hope for, too many are brainwashed and think the war was all about WMD, Saddam was innocent, Bush lied, etc…

To change perceptions alot, you have to correct the above presuppositions many have.

jp on June 26, 2008 at 10:32 PM

The poll has a bit of a “push-poll” aspect to it as it says, “all out within 16 months” and last I heard Obama says, “all of our combat brigades out in 16 months.

Quinnipiac either has an agenda or they are very sloppy.

MB4 on June 26, 2008 at 10:35 PM

In any case, winning in Iraq is more important than McCain’s campaign

Win what?

MB4 on June 26, 2008 at 10:40 PM

I hate to give democrat voters too much credit, but maybe they realize Obama can’t withdraw the troops no matter what he says.

SouthernGent on June 26, 2008 at 10:45 PM

But wait! There’s MORE!
“…Senior advisers to Mr Obama say the campaign is constantly monitoring and debating its response to the situation on the ground in Iraq. But they say that Mr Obama has no plans to modify his timetable for US troop withdrawal. However, Mr Obama and some of his most senior foreign policy advisers have been dropping tantalising hints that there might be a new flexibility over their definition of “withdrawal”

Go figure…new flexibility over their definition of “withdrawal”… Means they leave their options open based on which way the polls go.

Nelsa on June 26, 2008 at 10:46 PM

The only thing Obama has gotten right is his name. His judgement on the Iraq war was and is opposite the opinion of the vast majority of both houses of Congress at the time. What is it about Saddam that Obama liked so much that he would have left that monster and his baby monsters in power? Maybe Obama is envious of Hussein’s authority.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on June 26, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Shhh….don’t tell Obama. The flip-flop is already pending as it is.

Missy on June 26, 2008 at 10:50 PM

That’s a pretty bad poll question. The second option involves withdrawing the troops also and has a vague use of the words “more stable.”

Nonfactor on June 26, 2008 at 10:27 PM

We it would obviously be more stable if our troops stayed longer unless you believe that they are causing the problems.. LOL

Chakra Hammer on June 26, 2008 at 11:02 PM

I’m voting for Mac but what the hell are we even thinking about WI and MI for? He’d be better off defending VA and NC.
WI and MI are not going to be battlegrounds.

Limerick on June 26, 2008 at 11:05 PM

It’s baffling. Ask most of the questions on an issue by issue basis and we kill the libs. Low taxes, stable Iraq, immigration enforcement, school choice, more drilling, gay marriage ban, judges that interpret the constitution etc. etc. Yet, more people support Obama who’s against these things, because people want this snake oil pitch of “hope” and “change.” Geez, what an informed electorate.

edbarnes on June 26, 2008 at 11:20 PM

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on June 26, 2008 at 10:47 PM

maybe its the middle name he might fell a connection or something. A long lost relative?

unseen on June 26, 2008 at 11:20 PM

Limerick on June 26, 2008 at 11:05 PM

Mi might. With the total screw up of the state economy by the dems they might just vote for change (rep) this time around.

unseen on June 26, 2008 at 11:22 PM

If I were a grand pubah of the RNC I might be tempted to use energy prices as a way to attack the 18% approval do nothing democrat congress and the Obamination.

But hey, I’m just an engineer.

jukin on June 26, 2008 at 11:33 PM

Gulp.

But if I really wanted to tweak AP, I would remind him of his prediction of a GOP stampede to abandon Iraq that was coming in… March.

So I guess I did want to tweak him.

How does it play by Fall? Probably not a visible plus, but Nixon could probably have said the same thing. Should be a bit closer than ’72 though.

Karl on June 26, 2008 at 11:41 PM

Well, it has the added benefit of guaranteeing Obama to pull a waffles on the “surge” ala FISA, NAFTA and Public Financing, which oughta piss off the “defeat is the only option” nutroots.

Topsecretk9 on June 26, 2008 at 11:44 PM

So I guess I did want to tweak him.

Better watch it Karl, he’s libel to label that “tweak” as “screaming” at him.

Topsecretk9 on June 26, 2008 at 11:46 PM

Is that Phil Gramm pictured beside McCain?

maverick muse on June 26, 2008 at 11:48 PM

I am not saying McCain will take either of these states however….

The only people really paying attention to the POTUS race are us political junkies. The only thing most Americans know about the Messiah is “Hope and Change”. Once the GOP and McCain introduce them to the “Real” Messiah they may change their minds. Also remember the Messiah is for NO MORE drilling and McCain is for more drilling. American’s are for LESS $$$$$ coming out of there wallets at the gas pump. Time will tell.

ordi on June 27, 2008 at 1:08 AM

Obama is ahead in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

Accept President Obama for your own good.

It’s not healthy to live in fantasy land.

alphie on June 27, 2008 at 1:12 AM

It’s not healthy to live in fantasy land.

Like this fantasy?

Topsecretk9 on June 27, 2008 at 1:22 AM

And we all know how accurate newspapers and polls are right.

We all remember this President

ordi on June 27, 2008 at 2:17 AM

alphie on June 27, 2008 at 1:12 AM

It’s my life, and I’ll live any damn where I want to.

And now I can legally protect my family from those imaginary bad folks.

Squiggy on June 27, 2008 at 6:33 AM

but Greg Sargent notes that Obama leads him in all four of these states

According to who, the media polls? I learned after Florida never to trust them.

JeffinSac on June 27, 2008 at 7:14 AM

I think some of you are missing the point. There are a lot of reasons why people vote the way they do and poll the way they do. I think there will be a fairly large group of voters in this election who are going to vote for Barack Obama no matter what he says and does, and no matter what John McCain says and does, because they are madder than hell at Republicans and want to punish the party, period. That’s why these polls about issues are at odds with the horse-race polls of the candidates.

If Barack Obama wins this election it will be 100% because of George W. Bush. It is dumb for us to assume that because he isn’t on the ballot, people won’t be voting against him.

rockmom on June 27, 2008 at 10:00 AM

rockmom on June 27, 2008 at 10:00 AM

+1

I live the the reddest of red states. I find few people talking redstate politics.

Limerick on June 27, 2008 at 10:21 AM