Phoenix man killed at home by three Mexican militiamen in military gear, or maybe not
posted at 4:08 pm on June 26, 2008 by Allahpundit
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See-Dub is outrageously outraged, and needless to say it wouldn’t be the first time some sort of paramilitary unit has exploited the porous border, but I can’t find any evidence that the suspects (a) were Mexican soldiers, (b) were ever on the Mexican side of the border, or (c) are even Mexican citizens. The PDFs of the police documents here claim that one of the suspects admitted he was in the Mexican military but Phoenix cops later denied it. Fox News’s story on the murder says they’re Mexican citizens, but the Arizona Republic report on which it’s based doesn’t include that detail. So what we may have here are “merely” three Americans with helmets and AR-15s carrying out paid assassinations for drug cartels. Whew!
And to think, I was all set it to tie it to Captain Amnesty’s surprisingly small lead in his home state. Anyway, if you’re still jonesing for righteous border-related indignation, just read this. All will be well.
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misterpeasea on June 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM
LIB-THINK>Obviously the fence is not working
/LIB-THINK>
landlines on June 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM
I’m not sure if it’s better or worse.
Poncho Villa wasn’t part of the Mexican Military either, and look what happened.
Anyone up for a second Punitive Expedition?
Nessuno on June 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM
I guess they don’t need no stinking badges.
AverageJoe on June 26, 2008 at 4:21 PM
I wonder what McCain thinks. I don’t care whether or not these people were Mexican Military (oxymoron of the day) or not. They could very easily be. Thats all that matters.
Zetterson on June 26, 2008 at 4:21 PM
I too have read a lot of conflicting reports on this… I think it’s best to wait for time to sift out fact from fiction on this one.
In any case, I hardly think these guys were acting on behalf of the Mexican government when they attacked, so I don’t buy into a lot of the overheated rhetoric I’ve seen elsewhere about “acts of war”. At worst, it’s corrupt members of the Mexican military doing what corrupt people with easy access to weapons and a willingness to kill innocents do best.
ChePibe on June 26, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Police Sgt. Tranter says in the radio interview at least 2 were Mexican nationals here illegally.
Want to bet all 5 or 6 aren’t the same demographic???
With body armor and automatic weapons, planning to ambush the police.
Looks like an invasion to me!
fred5678 on June 26, 2008 at 4:25 PM
this could be a good thing…they may be getting rid of mexican gangsters in this country for us….saving us the trouble….
right4life on June 26, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Allahpundit ,Please call the newspaper by it’s proper name, is the Arizona Repugnant!
The Arizona Repugnant wouldn’t make note of the criminals nationality unless they were non Hispanic. That’s just the way things are here. If this was some other guys (read white, black or asian) then the Repugnant would be splahing it all over the front page. Half truths and just plain biased BS are the SOP for the Repugnant. That’s why I don’t read the Repugnant and why I listen to KFYI for my news.
It’s nice to see drug shooting become more and more common in the metro area. I’m glad these types of things are no longer isolated to the border. Time to get my arse to the CCW class.
BTW, I glad to see these guys ran out of ammo when they were going to bushwhack the cops otherwise our handtied, thanks Mayor Gordon, police officers would have been hurt badly.
VikingGoneWild on June 26, 2008 at 4:29 PM
You are correct, the problem is the government is so disjointed it is hard to say if they were acting on behalf of the government that allows chaos to exist along the border. Turning your back, or not providing security, or being paid off by drug dealers, is not responsible government.
So you may be correct that these kind of acts are not “official”, they are officially acknowledged as being uncontrolled.
How many judges and police have been killed trying to stop drugs coming across the border? And how few dealers are caught?
right2bright on June 26, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Sounds like it’s time to unleash Zombie Black Jack Pershing.
DelD on June 26, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Thank you for setting the record straight on the Repugnant. Personally I refer it to the “RAG”, and did so for a long time before Bruce Jacobs started.
Viking’s right on the Repugnant. There was a serial rapist apprehended a couple months back in a town called Chandler. I recall that the Repugnant was the only news outlet that did not report the guy is an illegal. That paper is also the personal mouthpiece of our disasterous governor and Phoenix’s equally disasterous mayor so take anything from it with a grain.
Brass Pair on June 26, 2008 at 5:06 PM
¡O Aztlan glorioso!
Viva La Raza!
¡Muerte a los americanos!
(Coming soon to YOUR neighborhood)
Gracias por nada chulos políticos del Washington DC
LegendHasIt on June 26, 2008 at 5:11 PM
I don’t think your lame press releases feigning “outrage” are gonna cut it anymore, Mr.Bush and Mr.Chertoff.
As your lawyers argued on behalf of another cartel drug trafficker in the Ramos and Compean case, “Because they don’t have the money to feed their families. That’s why they do it.”. Isn’t it your argument that the dead border agent was standing in the way of one of your beloved traffickers trying to feed his family, Mr.Bush and Mr.Chertoff?
Buddahpundit on June 26, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Indeed. It’s apparently a US citizen’s duty to take bullets from Mexican drug traffickers so they can feed their families. I mean, what about the (drug traffickers’) children? What about the children? I just love “compassionate conservatism.” /barf
Django on June 26, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Wow, red meat post with only 16 comments after 2 hours.
Allah did a swell job of talking this one down.
Nessuno on June 26, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Don’t believe the Az Rep. - they shill for open borders. Notice the 4 in the Honda are still outstanding (Narrative). Also they were wearing Phx PD Raid shirts! Phx PD higher ups are trying to spin this to cover Harris policy!
Kat13 on June 26, 2008 at 6:05 PM
McCain thinks you should shut your bigoted mouth. McCain doesn’t understand your pathetic, mindless fidelity to rule of law.
McCain gives no credence to your conspiracy theory about how legalizing tens of millions of illegal alien criminals from a socialist tradition AND simultaneously cutting back on voter fraud enforcement efforts could possibly have a negative effect on the Republican party, or America.
That’s what John McCain thinks.
misterpeasea on June 26, 2008 at 6:06 PM
I imagine that most people are watching the live stream thread, (despite the sound problems)….
Thinking that this is an insignificant problem…. and what the heck… it is occurring in ‘flyover country’, so it doesn’t bother them much anyway.
LegendHasIt on June 26, 2008 at 6:06 PM
This post was more worthy of a “Baghdad Bob” pic then a red meat pic…
[baghdad bob]
para-military mexican drug cartel
un-documented assassinshit squads aren’t operating in arizona…[/baghdad bob]
liquidflorian on June 26, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Yep, and the azz-hat mayor Gordo is threatening Sheriff Arpaio (the nations toughest sheriff) with a “civil rights” investigation for enforcing immigration laws saying Arpaio is only going after them (illegal immigrants) because they have brown skin…
How can someone violate the civil rights of an illegal non-American citizens? Worse yet, why is this azz-hat mayor Gordo going after Arpaio for doing the right thing by enforcing our laws? Why…because Gordo is a typical lefty moonbat…that’s why!
Liberty or Death on June 26, 2008 at 6:28 PM
AP, check out the preliminary Phoenix PD documents (PDF) at KFYI.
The Phoenix PD officers involved believe they are military operators.
desertdweller on June 26, 2008 at 6:33 PM
So a group of paramilitary types roll up across the street, wearing full black BDUs, carbines and Phoenix PD Raid shirts.
Why call 911?
Oh, they’re illegal immigrants with military training? What’s the news?
Too many parts of our homeland security are proven broken by this incident. Where’s one to start???
desertdweller on June 26, 2008 at 6:37 PM
To call Flash Gordon “is a typical lefty moonbat” is an insult to typical lefty moonbats. He is an EXCEPTIONAL lefty moonbat!
Brass Pair on June 26, 2008 at 6:58 PM
If that paper said the sky is blue I’d have to go outside and look. Piece of crap rag, worst I’ve seen anywhere.
Shay on June 26, 2008 at 7:30 PM
Easy solution to the border problem. Let the BCTs training for deployment in Iraq and Afghanistan, spend 2-3 months training on our southern border. Have BP agents inbedded with each patroling unit. This gives the BP help and trains the soldiers on how to control a border and get more “trigger” time as required.
Claimsratt on June 26, 2008 at 7:34 PM
“Anyway, if you’re still jonesing for righteous border-related indignation, just read this. All will be well.”
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AP, what are you doing on this site? I mean, really.
fabrexe on June 26, 2008 at 7:37 PM
All Quiet on the Southern Front.
aengus on June 26, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Were they driving cars with ‘Hispanics discovered Florida’ plates?
Bicyea on June 26, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Somewhat after the Apalachee, the Calusa, the Choctaw, the Creek, the Miccosukee, the Timucua and perhaps their earlier ancestors ‘discovered’ it?
LegendHasIt on June 26, 2008 at 9:51 PM
by purchasing firearms and getting ready … the lid is going to pop off the can someday …
AZ_Redneck on June 26, 2008 at 10:01 PM
I agree with the other Arizonans calling the state’s largest newspaper the Repugnant. The NYT of the West–no credibility.
jgapinoy on June 26, 2008 at 10:33 PM
…”but I can’t find any evidence that the suspects (a) were Mexican soldiers, (b) were ever on the Mexican side of the border, or (c) are even Mexican citizens.”
Duh, they aren’t soldiers, they’re members of the drug cartels masquerading as Phoenix police or ICE agents. Like it or not, the Mexican drug cartels are moving north. The victim was a Jamaican drug runner who was not signed up with the Mexican cartels.
Dig a little deeper AP, you might find something other than wishful thinking. The 3 men in custody ARE Mexican nationals.
Christine on June 27, 2008 at 12:11 AM