Competing visions for drilling?
posted at 8:55 am on June 26, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The New York Times reports that both Democrats and Republicans have turned the corner on offshore drilling and will now try to move their strategies into law. Clifford Krauss notes that the Democrats favor a mandate-laden bill that would force oil companies to expedite their work on existing leases, while Republicans want to expand the territory available to oil companies on the outer continental shelf. Despite the pessimistic quotes Krauss gathers from analysts, the industry strongly favors the Republican approach:
The two political parties have settled on markedly different strategies for improving domestic oil supplies to help lower gasoline prices.
Republicans want to end the 27-year ban on offshore drilling along much of the nation’s coastline, while Democrats want to force companies to speed up exploration in certain offshore areas that they already control. A version of the Democratic plan may come to a vote in the House of Representatives as early as Thursday.
But oil experts say that neither approach will give drivers any relief in the short run from prices that stood Wednesday at nearly $4.07 a gallon, on average. They say the simple reality is that no one knows how much oil is to be found offshore, how difficult producing it would turn out to be or how many years that might take.
And oil companies, amid a global drilling frenzy, are stretched so thin they will be hard-pressed to take on big new projects anytime soon. More than 400 major drilling and production projects are competing for engineers, rigs, seismic equipment and steel to build platforms, and the costs of doing the work have skyrocketed.
Well, if that’s true, it doesn’t appear to worry the oil companies. They see the GOP strategy as the better of the two. One impact of expanded research would be the creation of jobs and a big boost to the economy. Private sector work expands to meet demand, a concept that apparently eludes Congress — hence our current economic issues in energy — as well as the analysts contacted by Krauss, who normally does good work at the Times.
Democrats complain that millions of acres of OCS leases have hardly been touched by the oil companies, but the industry disputes that characterization as a deception. They have to do a number of surveys, which can take years, to determine whether to drill even test holes — and where to put the drill if they do. It’s a fascinating process, as I discovered myself on an API-sponsored trip to Houston and Corpus Christie last year. The technology has vastly improved over the last two decades, but even then the cost of a dry hole is still $80 million. Oil companies want to get it right as often as possible.
When Congress allowed more drilling in the Gulf, we discovered six times the reserves that we had once thought existed there. Exploration of the OCS could produce similar finds, or perhaps even greater reserves than that. Brazil has found fields that rival the Saudis off its coast, and we have much more coastline than Brazil. Right now, estimates of the banned areas of the OCS say that it holds 17.8 billion barrels of oil, and over 75 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. Even without finding more reserves, that could seriously lower our need for foreign oil and help resolve the supply crisis as well as calm speculation in the oil markets.
Critics say it would take years to get the oil to market, and that it won’t affect gas prices in the short term. We have been warning about the supply crisis while India and China expand their energy needs, and after 9/11, when everyone should have understood the national-security implications of the vast transfers of American wealth to overseas oil producers. Had we taken action then, we would already be bringing that oil on line. If we dither for another seven years, we will still be seven years from a solution and worse off. It’s time to start thinking long term.
It looks like we’ve gotten Democrats and Republicans to agree to that much. Now we need to make sure that we implement a strategy that gives us the greatest flexibility, one that identifies our actual resources and attempts to access them. The Republican strategy does that. The Democrats want to continue to put blinders on our energy industry.
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This further isolates both Barry da Douchebag and his witless acolytes, whose political philosophies – such as they are – span the left-right continuum, despite their race-based fealty to the New Messiah, a hard left weenie.
The conventional wisdom is that if gas prices are up, the party in charge is in trouble, and I certainly understand that. But how does anyone look at our politics and not blame Democrats for high oil prices? They effed up, there, and they obviously know it. Next: how does the boy genius not know that, and how does he come out and basically declare that $140/barrel oil is “just a good start”?
He’s an idiot, and he reads his own press clippings.
Jaibones on June 26, 2008 at 9:05 AM
Buy Danish,
You might have called it, with Barry da Douche flip-flopping to a pro-drilling position, but I still say his ego won’t let him do it.
Jaibones on June 26, 2008 at 9:06 AM
God, they must really think people are stupid. Most people not in Congress actually are capable of appreciating the long term. Especially after they’ve heard the “no short term solution” argument for about 20 years.
BigD on June 26, 2008 at 9:06 AM
The govt leases the rights to the oil companies, then the oil companies pass the cost on to us. Good thing Uncle Sam is taking care of business.
Akzed on June 26, 2008 at 9:07 AM
Neither party got too excited about this till it became a political hot potato due to $4.00 gas. Now, the handwriting is on the wall and they are scrambling to create a perception they have a clue. Meanwhile, the price of food skyrockets due to the corn/ethanol boondoggle and we’ll continue to pay the gasoline pump price for their failure to address the issue earlier. What a crew!
a capella on June 26, 2008 at 9:09 AM
We need a NEW political party…
Democrat
Republican
Libertarian
Puma
WILDCAT !
singlemalt_18 on June 26, 2008 at 9:12 AM
“Necessity is the mother of all invention”
from the “Republic” by Plato
ANWR, ANWR, ANWR, McCain’s going everywhere but there. I think he’s afraid of Gov Palin!
patrick neid on June 26, 2008 at 9:12 AM
alzed:
Would you care to enlighten us as to how you think oil should be produced?
jerryofva on June 26, 2008 at 9:13 AM
Democrats have turned the corner? That’s a rather generous assessment of the Times story. My assessment is that they have a strategery to bluff their way through this situation by pretending they are doing something, when in fact all they are doing is placing further burdens and restrictions on the producers. In short, The Democrats want to continue to put
blindersshackles on our energy industry.Indeed, the Democrat plan is a bit like saying that during a famine the solution is to tax the farmers more, and further that if we hold a gun to the farmers head he will magically grow food.
Buy Danish on June 26, 2008 at 9:16 AM
It’s funny seeing her big smile on two posts at HotAir at the same time. She’s the “It Girl”. Her name is everywhere!
Jaibones on June 26, 2008 at 9:17 AM
If the Dems keep trotting out the “pennies off the price” and 10, no wait, 20, no wait, 30 years before we see oil actually pumped, they are going to get HAMMERED in November. That’s the same stupid hustle they try to get us to swallow about global warming, er, climate change, or that the surge hasn’t made a difference because of, er, benchmarks.
John the Libertarian on June 26, 2008 at 9:18 AM
I am sick and tired of the “it would take years before” argument used by the democrats. If they had not blocked ANWR years ago, the oil would now be flowing into the system.
rbb on June 26, 2008 at 9:18 AM
I know this is a bit in the weeds, but one of the reasons they don’t have a clue is that they are picked up and driven around town everyday in taxpayer-funded-and-filled Lincoln Navigators. I submit to you that most of them don’t drive much at all, let alone pump their own gas.
BigD on June 26, 2008 at 9:21 AM
What is never mentioned is that the Dems policy (like most of theirs) punishes a lot of their union base. More oil exploration would mean good paying jobs for oil field workers, pipeliners, steelworkers and all the associated industries involved.
TugboatPhil on June 26, 2008 at 9:30 AM
The Democratic version makes no sense (big surprise there).
They claim that the oil companies are not drilling in the areas they currently leasing, in an effort to keep supplies tight and prices high. If this were true, why would they be so eager to get congress to allow them to lease more territory that they aren’t going to drill anyway?
The Democratic version also makes no sense economically. These same oil companies are scrambling to find and drill territories all throughout the world. Yet supposedly they have land, with oil, here in the US that they aren’t drilling?
This also ignores the fact that every other oil company in the world, that isn’t based in the US, is also scrambling to find and drill. The US oil companies only control about 5% of the world’s known reserves. For them to attempt to restrict supplies means that they are forgoing huge amounts of potential income, yet reaping only 5% of the benefit from higher prices. This makes no sense. But then again, demagouges rarely do.
MarkTheGreat on June 26, 2008 at 9:30 AM
Not sure much more but I get the point.
yakwill83 on June 26, 2008 at 9:32 AM
should have added..Brazil is not the tiny country I once knew.
yakwill83 on June 26, 2008 at 9:34 AM
Liberals start with the assumption that capitalists are both evil, and as ignorant of economic forces as liberals are.
From there it’s easy to see why they honestly believe that only govt can do good.
MarkTheGreat on June 26, 2008 at 9:35 AM
Funny how “it will take years” never comes up when Lefties discuss “alternative energies”.
Saw an neat article about Pratt and Whitney’s new Turbofan engine – they have worked on it for two decades; it’ll save 15% on fuel. Seems like a meager gain in today’s rhetoric.
SlimyBill on June 26, 2008 at 9:39 AM
Democrats really haven’t turned a corner, they’ve just kicked the can down the road. What they’re basically saying is that in areas where oil drilling has been going on for anywhere from 30 to 80 years, they have no problems with oil drilling going on. Big whoop.
The problem is that even with new recovery techniques, there’s only so much you can get out of a mature and declining oil and/or natural gas field, and eventually you have to look elsewhere. It’s the “elsewhere” part that Democrats still have a problem with, which the Times tries to downplay by claiming the oil companies have enough leases they’re not using.
jon1979 on June 26, 2008 at 9:40 AM
To Mark the Great: Was that a typo or on purpose about the “demagouges”?
Dems who gouge us are demagouges?
Steve Z on June 26, 2008 at 9:48 AM
I’m not letting the GOP off the hook on this one. They had a majority and failed to use it. Bush also signed off on the ethanol bill. That was the silver bullet intended to make us all ignore what was coming. The whole crowd has dithered and dabbled, more interested in pork/re-election than voters. My wife brought home $140 worth of groceries yesterday,..in four small bags. Energy costs are going to have a tremendous impact on quality of life and it’s happening very rapidly.
a capella on June 26, 2008 at 9:50 AM
Libwads have lost the argument and they know it. They keep recycling the same old ideas: wind, solar and biofuels – none of which will move traffic efficiently and without collateral economic damage.
When an alternative to petroleum combustion is developed, a major role in the research will have been played by the same energy companies libwads want to de-profit and punish, thereby by slowing down the very result they want to bring about. Stupid X 10.
whitetop on June 26, 2008 at 9:50 AM
1. The democrats policies, and obstruction by the environmentalists caused this problem, and everyone thinks the voters are going to ask the people who caused the problem to fix it?
2. No short term solution? What do you think the high cost of crude oil, and refined products is doing to demand? It forces people to restrict their use of the product. This has all ready started.
rockhauler on June 26, 2008 at 9:53 AM
Isnt that the truth!
If I hear one more Dem say..conserve, conserve..I may vomit! They all need to hear from their Constituents demanding they drill! If they go on recess without doing anything…I for one, will spend the 4th sending nasty e-mails to my Reps and Senators.!Time to impeach these buffoons and vote them out of office.
becki51758 on June 26, 2008 at 9:57 AM
Drill deep into the skulls of Congressional Democrats.
May not be any oil there, but we’ll never know until we try.
NoDonkey on June 26, 2008 at 9:58 AM
I’m going to attach a 20-ft-tall windmill to the top of my minivan! It will look fantastic with my Obama ‘08 bumper stickers.
aero on June 26, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Consider the irony. Tourism will suffer greatly. What makes New Orleans tick? So, taxpayers are supposed to help rebuild a tourist attraction no one can afford to visit.(shakes head and trudges off mumbling to self)
a capella on June 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM
a capella on June 26, 2008 at 9:50 AM
The Republicans had a majority, but not a big enough one to overcome the filibuster.
They tried two or three times to pass a bill opening both the OCS and ANWR, but the Democrats filibustered it to death.
MarkTheGreat on June 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM
I want to see someone make the comparison to both the Manhattan Project and WWII when we were able to rapidly create and deploy huge amounts of men, materiel and machinery to defeat enemies on two major fronts. All in under 5 years. Why would we not expect that good old American ingenuity would bring new oil to market in under 5 years? The 10 year figure is pure BS and as mentioned above is NOT an acceptable excuse for not pursuing our reserves. Most Americans are capable of thinking long term in spite of waht the fools in DC believe.
The FACT is that the socialists in the Democrat party do NOT want to increase supply. They prefer high prices and will make every attempt to keep them high.
Drilling on existing leases is a great ruse to fool the ignorant masses but eventually the truth will get out.
DerKrieger on June 26, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Ditto. Ditto. Dems want us to believe that they can tax our way out of the energy crisis, and that venting our anger by punishing the oil companies will somehow bring us more energy.
Meanwhile they would lavish huge subsidies on technically and economically bankrupt technologies, such as corn ethanol and on-shore wind, while holding our standard of living hostage to their MGW zealotry. Makes me livid.
Drill here, drill now, pay less! Let’s have a Manhatten Project for domestic oil, natural gas, nuclear and clean coal. And generous R&D incentives for new technologies that promise economic feasibility, such as solar.
petefrt on June 26, 2008 at 10:03 AM
LMAO! THE best idea so far!
becki51758 on June 26, 2008 at 10:04 AM
What will the Dems do once the full impact of high fuel prices has rippled throughout the economy? Decreased tourism, decreased eating out, increased prices for everything, collapsing airlines and auto industry, bankrupt transportation companies, etc. If they think this will only make consumers grumble at the pump they are gravely mistaken.
DerKrieger on June 26, 2008 at 10:07 AM
I want to smack the next person I hear talk about the high price of gas and sun, wind, and nuclear power in the same breath. I can’t put sunshine, hot air, or neutrons in my GAS tank.
DerKrieger on June 26, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Exactly.
I’m not letting John McCain off the hook on this. He is the person in our party responsible for a ban on drilling in ANWR by permitting Clinton’s veto to stand. In MAC’s favor, he did call ethanol a scam.
As for our “majority”, under Bush, in addition to McCain it included Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Lincoln Chaffee, Mike DeWine, and Norm Coleman.
The Democrats who voted in favor of drilling in ANWR are:
John Breaux, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana; Daniel Akaka and Daniel Inouye, of Hawaii, and Zell Miller of Georgia.
Buy Danish on June 26, 2008 at 10:09 AM
If we have to put an oil derrick in Barbra Streisand’s pool then let’s do it. I’m willing to make that sacrifice.
manfriend on June 26, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Years ago, one of the tabloids had a photo of Ted Kennedy chasing a bikini-clad chick on a yacht. It was then that he changed his position on off-shore drilling.
jgapinoy on June 26, 2008 at 10:14 AM
If they passed a bill tomorrow, to drill offshore and in ANWR, the price of a barrel of oil will fall.
Saudis and others will increase their supply to sell as much as they can, lowering the prices in hopes we will back off. And we would.
WoosterOh on June 26, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Yeah, and I haven’t exactly see an bunch of alternative energy companies making great fanfare over this discussion. Congress is making promises for them that, to my knowledge, they haven’t agreed with.
And stuck on stupid, McCain a few weeks ago was lashing out at the oil companies for not developing alternative energy. Their business is oil!
BigD on June 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Sadly, you are correct. They play us like a fiddle.
a capella on June 26, 2008 at 10:24 AM
In World War 2, Americans who were rank amateurs built battleships…which everyone knew took 3 years to build…in mere months!!!
More recently, Americans put a man on the moon in 10 years. In San Francisco they rebuilt a major bridge destroyed by an earthquake…a three-year task…in just a few months!
And Democrats are trying to tell us we can’t get our own oil out of the ground and flowing in less than 10 years????
BS!!!! We are Americans, and we can do anything we set our mind to!!! Set serious a goal of US Energy Independence within 10 years, get out of the way, and watch us beat the schedule!!
landlines on June 26, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Ahhhh. Grew up in Houston and now I live in Corpus. I hope you enjoyed our fair city.
Interestingly, my congressional representative, Solomon Ortiz (D), supports drilling in ANWAR and OCS.
pullingmyhairout on June 26, 2008 at 11:55 AM
The “problem” of needing more resources to do the drilling, is what’s generally known in a capitalist society as a GREAT PROBLEM TO HAVE. Only if it’s a government run operation is it a real bad problem.
kirkill on June 26, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Ed I am glad you got to go on one of these sponsered trips. It really makes you open your eyes to what is real and what is made up.
But I went to the link you provided. It sent me to a live weblog about you at the Chevron Building. Did you not blog the experience?
upinak on June 26, 2008 at 12:35 PM
ANWR, It isn’t a WAR!
upinak on June 26, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Rockhauler said:
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1. The democrats policies, and obstruction by the environmentalists caused this problem, and everyone thinks the voters are going to ask the people who caused the problem to fix it?
2. No short term solution? What do you think the high cost of crude oil, and refined products is doing to demand? It forces people to restrict their use of the product. This has all ready started.
rockhauler on June 26, 2008 at 9:53 AM”
Excellent points, both. Worth repeating.
JDPerren on June 26, 2008 at 12:41 PM
typo. my bad.
pullingmyhairout on June 26, 2008 at 12:51 PM
I listened to a neighbor pontificate that Bush and Cheney are behind the rise is crude per barrel. He asked the rhetorical question: How greedy can they be? How do you deal with such ignorance?
Exactly! The RNC should be hammering the positive aspects of well-paying job openings as we pursue our energy independence through drilling and mining. The “green jobs” that the Dems are pushing for appear to reward bureaucrats and pencil pushes, and their vague promises rely on government intervention while being less than cost-efficient.
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onlineanalyst on June 26, 2008 at 1:11 PM
I listened to a neighbor pontificate that Bush and Cheney are behind the rise is crude per barrel. He asked the rhetorical question: How greedy can they be? How do you deal with such ignorance?
onlineanalyst on June 26, 2008 at 1:11 PM
Move to a better neighborhood. I wouldn’t allow someone that stupid anywhere near where my little daughter rides her bike.
TexasJew on June 26, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Ok, let me get this straight…
1) Future markets and speculators are the real problem, because their belief in higher future price of oil is raising the current price of oil as well.
2) More supply in the future wouldn’t affect the price today at all, and would only affect the future prices.
Does anyone in the Democratic party holding these two ideas (I’ve heard both of them several times) realize they’re contradictory?
If the U.S. gets off its a** and starts drilling, then speculators will predict a lower future price due to higher supply. This will lower the speculators influence in driving the price up (and may reverse it entirely, depending upon what the belief is within the market regarding future prices).
Without a source of new supply being started, it’s obvious that the 5 year spread on oil prices will not be going down, so betting on it going up is where everyone will be (driving the price up in the process).
gekkobear on June 26, 2008 at 1:22 PM
“But oil experts say that neither approach will give drivers any relief in the short run from prices that stood Wednesday at nearly $4.07 a gallon, on average. They say the simple reality is that no one knows how much oil is to be found offshore, how difficult producing it would turn out to be or how many years that might take.”
What traitorous puerile shitheads.
It’s like saying if we have a food crisis, we don’t know how much food we’ll have if we increase planting acreage, since we could have a cold winter and kill most of the crops next year. So… why plant?
If this country continues to elect such morons, then how could we call ourselves a free people?
We should go to the national archives, bury the constitution in Monticello and start waving around Mao’s little red book.
TexasJew on June 26, 2008 at 1:28 PM
The problem is that even with new recovery techniques, there’s only so much you can get out of a mature and declining oil and/or natural gas field, and eventually you have to look elsewhere. It’s the “elsewhere” part that Democrats still have a problem with, which the Times tries to downplay by claiming the oil companies have enough leases they’re not using.
jon1979 on June 26, 2008 at 9:40 AM
Aarrgh! I guess they want them to go to Wink, Texas and make the 1928 Hendricks Field wells start flowing 10,000 barrels of oil per day again, instead of 1 or 2, like their present production. Of course, BHO IS a “light worker” – he can do anything! If you’re a brain-dead planaria like his typical voter.
Companies lease land and then do the seismic exploration. So they may lease 5000 acres and then find that only 300 is produceable. Or, in many cases, none.
Even slimy scum like the Democrats can’t be that stupid!
Do they want oil companies to drill in synclinal structures with a biilion barrels of salt water instead of oil?
Or do they want oil production in this country?
Let me see…
If they pulled this kind of traitorous crap in my parents’ day, they would have hung them from lampposts. If they were lucky..
TexasJew on June 26, 2008 at 1:39 PM
TJ: I am stuck here in Murtha-land, where the constituency is union-oriented or educated beyond their intelligence. They see business and corporations as evil forces determined to grind down the little guy or bent on destroying our environment. There is no reasoning with them, using facts and economic arguments, even with those that would improve their lot in life (and they insist on viewing themselves as victims). In some “lively” discussions around our townhouse community pool, I have been told that my information is merely a collection of Republican talking points. These people are stupid stubborn in clinging to their partisanship.
onlineanalyst on June 26, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Yes Rock does. One thing rock didn’t point out is that it has been happening since 75 at least.
upinak on June 26, 2008 at 1:46 PM
TJ: I am stuck here in Murtha-land, where the constituency is union-oriented or educated beyond their intelligence. They see business and corporations as evil forces determined to grind down the little guy or bent on destroying our environment. There is no reasoning with them, using facts and economic arguments, even with those that would improve their lot in life (and they insist on viewing themselves as victims). In some “lively” discussions around our townhouse community pool, I have been told that my information is merely a collection of Republican talking points. These people are stupid stubborn in clinging to their partisanship.
onlineanalyst on June 26, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Well, I guess.. screw ‘em. Let them enjoy pushing their cars uphill and allowing Indian adolescents do their jobs twelve times more efficiently.
There was a time when Union workers weren’t so stupid. But with the decline of union memebership and the development of entire non-unionized industries, I guess the wheat and the chaff got separated.
As far as “educated” component – they are generally into or dependent upon the public sector, which is as isolated from the real economic issues as a “Bubble Boy”.
Of course, Pennsylvania is the birthplace of the oil industry as well as center of the coal and coke industries and our American industrial revolution.
That’s a hell of a legacy to throw away…
TexasJew on June 26, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Did you ever think that those who are speculators and enviro left winnies are the people who are also holding back for no drilling? I know quite a few day traders and speculators who are so left that it makes a tree scream!
Stop and think. The MSM may be saying this but when it comes down to it, it is very much like the .com bubble and a few other bubble. One day there will be high yeild Nuclear Stations Stock for areas around the country…. don’t you think that those who have their “specualations and stick in oil” won’t fold out and go to where the money will be, if they can help it?
upinak on June 26, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Murtha Land or not. Those who can learn and regurgitate is one thing. Those who use the knowledge to make things better is another.
One, look at the people who have these seriously formal educations and then see what they do with their life.. jobs etc. And then take the time to think what they give back?
TJ and I work our ass off on Oil because we KNOW if it stops flowing, the world will stop turning. Those who don’t care or want it to stop will be the people who will also be begging for us to help “Them”. And honestly I give to the poor, to charities that make them start learning to help themselves. But if something happens in the future… to each their own!
upinak on June 26, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Yes, we need a Manhattan project style effort to discover, recover, refine, and streamline regulations.
The price will come down immediately as speculators see that they cannot forever bet on ever increasing prices.
But we here are preaching to the choir. I for one like the idea above. Spend the 4th of July emailing, calling, harrassing our congressmen and then…
Convince just one of the major candidates for president that we are serious and that is the only way they will get our vote.
Otherwise I may become a speculator myself. Its’ not too hard to figure which way prices will go as the Democrat Party does NOTHING and demand increases withoput end.
dhunter on June 26, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Earth to McCain:
Oil just hit $140.
It’s ANWR time, baby!
And those idiotic Carbon Credits, to paraphrase Walter Mattau in The Odd Couple: “Gohbidge”!
TexasJew on June 26, 2008 at 3:00 PM
TJ and upinak: I enjoy your posts so much because they give me further ammunition to battle the economic ignorance in my neck of the woods. It is also true that the overeducated among those that I know earn their bread at the public trough or in academia.
I will never forget riding in a shuttle to the Denver Airport after a week’s worth of hiking in the Rockies twelve years ago. As we drove past some refineries in an industrial park, one of our “fellow travelers” carried on dramatically about the polluting stench. I simply asked her how she managed to travel from the Cayman Islands (yes, those!)to join us fellow hikers. Obviously she flew in. What did she think was fueling her transportation? Idiocy knows no bounds.
Did anyone else see the announced and then cancelled energy confab that Pelosi and friends had posted? I believe that a link can be found at powerlineblog in yesterday’s threads. The Dems are absolutely clueless. Not only are their obstructive chickens coming home to roost…but the chickens are headless besides being gutless.
onlineanalyst on June 26, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Amen brother.
Honestly — I just want the government to get out of the way of the oil companies and let them do what they do. They, the oil companies, can get this fixed if they are allowed to do so. Too bad we didn’t do it 10, 20 or 30 years ago. Oh well — spilt milk at this point, let’s just not blow it again.
The Democrats plan is dumb, although less dumb than their past plans. The Republican plan will have us in a nice position, or at least a better position 10 years from now. It’s that simple.
Wise Golden on June 26, 2008 at 3:08 PM
It is ironic that Florida never allowed drilling 100 miles off coast so that tourism would not be effected and as a result, high gas prices are causing a dramatic loss to tourism. By the way – I don’t think it would be possible to harm Florida tourism with an oil well 100 miles away.
Meanwhile, now the folks in Florida that would not allow oil wells 100 miles away are hoping to get approval for windmills that are 6 miles offshore and are visible. VISABLE! From the shore. And they are actually saying things like, “people will find them relaxing and beautiful.” Now don’t get me wrong – I don’t care if we put up windmills, but I just can’t believe the hypocrisy of thought.
Wise Golden on June 26, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Good point — just more hypocrisy of thought. It’s big brother double speak.
Wise Golden on June 26, 2008 at 3:19 PM
The people who argue consistantly about Oil, Gas, Fuel, etc. and how it does this or that to economics, the enviroment and so on, are also the ones who abuse it the most.
Those who just learn from books and yet never done anything with a/the degree they recieved shows me one thing. Yep they are book smart, but that doesn’t mean I want them working for or with me. People like that get in the way of people like TJ and I, who are constantly busy, have multiple things going on and do our jobs in the most conservative manner possible because we also understand the concept of a buck.
TJ is educated, but anything usually with a science degree, it is standard to do things. Like a 4-6 week excursion field type learning. Most Science Degrees are like that. I have learned mostly thru hands on and knowing if I didn’t learn it, it would mean I would get cut. I have taken enough college to get me by, but still need more via the people who run the world.
Also always ask questions. Just because there is someone who knows one thing, doesn’t mean they don’t know another issue. Drilling for Oil and Gas is hard and takes many professionals. But until people understand (if they ever do) it is never going to be favorable.
upinak on June 26, 2008 at 3:21 PM
I had a co-worker pontificating that “it’s no wonder that oil is so high when GWB has 19% of his wealth in energy.” I looked at him and said, “everyone that has a 401K has 19% of their wealth in energy – what’s your point, everything that’s bad is because of Bush?” He shut-up. They always back down when you confront them. They know they are wrong, they just need to hear it once in a while.
Wise Golden on June 26, 2008 at 3:44 PM
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Of course they do. If oil companies were allowed to drill where the oil is, instead of on leases they know there is little if any, the supply problem would be solved, and we would have little impetus to punish the oil companies.
Think_b4_speaking on June 26, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Think there is one problem with your senerio. Where the actualy know that oil is there, they let drill. But how do you know, when you drill, if oil is there or not?
You can’t rely on the government, such as USGS, BLM or even State entities to understand or even know the geological aspects of all of their State. Some areas are still concidered untouched. Other areas have been heavily drilled, but how they glean the information is off the cores that the drillers bring up and what the mudloggers report. In some cases, these reports or logs are not complete or the cores have been lost.
A lot of problems and of course lack of funding.
upinak on June 26, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Unfortunately, there a multitude of neighborhoods like Onlineanalyst’s. That is the biggest problem the Republicans face with the current oil price surge. If the voting public is moved enough to complain, and most are, then they blame it on whoever the President is. “Throw the bums out!” is a time-honored, if often blinkered, American attitude. My hope is that it will extend to the Democrats in Congress, but my fear is that it will end with George W. Bush.
We who would not want to see an Obambi presidency have to ask ourselves: What can we do to exonerate President Bush and shift the blame for high-priced gasoline on to the Democrats?
MrLynn on June 26, 2008 at 5:21 PM
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You are correct, but my point is that the left is determined to keep this as a crisis, so that they can implement their agenda. Like poverty pimps, if the problem is being solved, there is no need for their ’services’. Everyone in my industry knows what is in Floridian waters, etc., and so do the dems.
Think_b4_speaking on June 26, 2008 at 5:26 PM
I wish I could find maps right now.. speaking of which. A good GIS, cartographer… ugh.
upinak on June 26, 2008 at 5:27 PM
I was born in Florida. You couldn’t pay me to drink the water there. I think the water in mexico may be healthier.
upinak on June 26, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Wise Golden:
Hate to admit to appalling ignorance, but I don’t have a 401K. Could you explain the 19% in energy to me? Thanks.
JM Hanes on June 26, 2008 at 6:07 PM
If I might, JM, most 401K plans are made up of various mutual funds which are diversified and invested in a broad cross section of industries. This smooths out volitilty. Energy makes up a large part of most people’s retirement funds because it’s a good solid dependable investment area.
That’s why the dem’s constant attempts to strangle and punish the oil companies has the direct affect of greatly endangering retirement savings.
How anyone could even remotely consider the dems ‘better’ on the economy or domestic issues is beyond me.
techno_barbarian on June 26, 2008 at 10:39 PM
techno_barbarian:
Thanks! I hadn’t realized they represented mutual fund investments, not savings.
JM Hanes on June 28, 2008 at 9:46 AM
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