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Russia back in Afghanistan?

posted at 1:15 pm on June 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The Soviet Union died on the mountain ranges of Afghanistan in the 1980s after an ill-advised, ill-fated intervention by Moscow that eventually led to the radicalization of the Pashtuns and the growth of radical Islamist terrorism.  Their retreat from Afghanistan signaled the end of Soviet expansionism, and within two years, the end of the Communist superpower itself.  One would presume that the Russians would have no desire to involve itself in Afghanistan again, but Asia Times reports that they may accept an American invitation to help provide weapons, lines of communication, and training for the NATO effort to stabilize the nation (via Baldilocks):

Moscow is staging an extraordinary comeback on the Afghan chessboard after a gap of two decades following the Soviet Union’s nine-year adventure that ended in the withdrawal of its last troops from Afghanistan 1989. In a curious reversal of history, this is possible only with the acquiescence of the United States. Moscow is taking advantage of the deterioration of the war in Afghanistan and the implications for regional security could be far-reaching.

A joint statement issued in Moscow over the weekend following the meeting of the United States-Russia Working Group on Counterterrorism (CTWG) revealed that the two sides had reached “agreement in principle over the supply of Russian weaponry to the Afghanistan National Army” in its fight against the Taliban insurgency. The 16th session of the CTWG held in Moscow on June 19-20 was co-chaired by Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Kislyak and US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs William Burns.

Talking to reporters alongside Burns, Kislayak said, “We [Russia] in the past have already provided military equipment to Afghanistan and we feel there is now a demand by the Afghan population for the ability of Afghanistan to take its security in its own hands.” He added it was “possible” that Russia might increase the delivery of arms to Afghanistan, though “I wouldn’t be eager to put a number on it”.

Up to now, the US has opposed any Russian involvement, for obvious reasons.  Both the allies and the enemies in Afghanistan hate the Russians and their occupation, the cause of woes then and now.  Russian involvement would cast doubt on the motives of NATO and put fear into the Karzai government that the West may wind up abandoning Afghanistan to the Russian sphere of influence.  It would launch a thousand conspiracy theories on both sides of the conflict and could energize the mujaheddin all over again.

However, a partnership with Russia has its advantages now.  With Pakistan teetering on the edge of appeasement, the lines of communication to the NATO mission could get very difficult.  With NATO members teetering on the edge of abandoning their commitments to the mission, Russian assistance could keep them in the fold, especially if it helps reduce the tensions over NATO’s expansion.

What does Russia gain from its efforts in an arena they’d like to forget?  It provides them with leverage to slow down NATO expansion and have it redirected in a more cooperative manner.  Putin’s government has already begun to complain about new “Berlin Walls” between Europe and Russia, and anything that keeps NATO at bay has to look good to Russia.  Afghanistan has strategic significance for Moscow still, and they probably don’t mind seeing the Iranian mullahs sweating over the encirclement that the US has established.  What they don’t want is a repeat of the 1989 collapse that led to the Taliban mullahs taking control of the country and wreaking instability in the region.

Russia trained Afghan military leaders in the 1980s to support Mohammad Najibullah’s regime.  They could try to re-establish that cadre of leaders in the newly-rebuilt Afghan security forces, but that might be far too provocative for Hamid Karzai to tolerate.  Supplies and lines of communication will help enough for the moment, but NATO may discover that having allowed the Russian bear into the camp, it may be difficult to limit his mobility.


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“We didn’t start the fire….”

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 25, 2008 at 1:19 PM

we’re back in the USSR..don’t know how lucky we are….right…

right4life on June 25, 2008 at 1:21 PM

With NATO members teetering on the edge of abandoning their commitments to the mission

Didn’t a bunch of NATO memebers recently re-up their commitment to the “good war” in Afghanistan?

VolMagic on June 25, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Russia benefits from Afganistan and IRaq because it drains Islamic hellp to Chechnya. If the US was to pull out Russia again becomes a target.

The question is will some of our afgani allies in Afganistan be willing to work with the Soviets ?

William Amos on June 25, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Is this the same Russia that has a long history of not leaving once invited in?

NotCoach on June 25, 2008 at 1:22 PM

I watched a 5 part documentry on you tube the other day,
it was about the Russian’s in Afghanistan,their debacle!

But what got me,was the part that Russian’s,were godless,
why in the world,would the Jihadys,who want Muslim religion
spread across the planet deal with the Ruskies!

canopfor on June 25, 2008 at 1:27 PM

I’m for Russia helping Afghanistan.(Day later) What is Russia doing in Afghanistan. That’s not the Russia I know.

Tazz 55 on June 25, 2008 at 1:29 PM

The question is will some of our afgani allies in Afganistan be willing to work with the Soviets ?

William Amos on June 25, 2008 at 1:22 PM

That is a good question. Some may, yet some won’t I would assume.

upinak on June 25, 2008 at 1:29 PM

Guns is guns. Now they have a license to supply both sides. It is a win-win-win….well, for everyone but us. Russia gets much needed cash to go after Ukraine.

Limerick on June 25, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Sounds like a straight arms, and ammunition deal. Russia sells Ak47s, and ammunition to the Afghan army, US pays for the weapons. Also Russia permits transshipments of supplies through their territory via Europe.

Russia profits. US/NATO gets a secure re-supply route.

rockhauler on June 25, 2008 at 1:39 PM

Time for another Rambo!!!

infidel2 on June 25, 2008 at 1:49 PM

It looks like a good deal and it also looks properly limited in scope. Having Russia provide arms for the struggling Afghan armed forces makes sense and it is far from the ‘Russia back in Afghanistan’ billed in the title. Afghans would quite rightly bristle over the prospect of Russian troops being sent back in after brutal war fought to send them packing.

lexhamfox on June 25, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Limerick on June 25, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Why does energy rich Russia need cash at this moment?

rockhauler on June 25, 2008 at 1:39 PM

Russia sends message to traditional adversary, Persia Iran.

JiangxiDad on June 25, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Enemy of my enemy.

Angry Dumbo on June 25, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Just wonder if this is going to bring out the Illuminati theorists.

I mean, did you see the new Indiana Jones? *sheesh*

kirkill on June 25, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Never trust a Rusky.

fogw on June 25, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Our great leaders… how wise they are?

Egfrow on June 25, 2008 at 2:18 PM

If the Pakistani based jihadis take Peshawar, which lies on the route to the Khybar pass which serves as an overground route to Afghanistan through Pakistan, as they have said they want to and are making moves toward, supply routes via Russia and its southern former republics may be a Godsend.

KW64 on June 25, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Russia is one more nation that will get a talkin’ to once Obama is president.

Cicero43 on June 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM

That’s great, it starts with an earthquake, birds, and snakes (on) an aeroplane . . .

- The Cat

MirCat on June 25, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Aren’t the Ruskies also rebuilding their nuclear stockpiles? Ah, how I’ve missed and longed for the good ‘ole days of the Cold War . . .

Special K on June 25, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Partnering with Russia? That’s never caused any problems before. I believe I’ve seen some old political cartoons about this. Time to dig into the archives…

Your Jewish Master on June 25, 2008 at 2:38 PM

The Afghan people are supposed to embrace the re-introduction of a nation that spread anti-personnel mines [shaped like toys], solely for the purpose of maiming children and invoking terror in the Afghan people?

If Russia is necessary in this war – then the war is lost.

OhEssYouCowboys on June 25, 2008 at 2:42 PM

I think this is a mistake.

CP on June 25, 2008 at 2:45 PM

“The Great Game” once England and Russia, now the U.S. and Russia. Can you identify the constant?

dingbat on June 25, 2008 at 2:51 PM

I think a lot of it has to do with the Russian physical need to satisfy its low self esteem after the breakup of the USSR. “Look, we’re strong again. So strong in fact, that we’re not afraid to go back to Afghanistan, and this time we’ll succeed. In fact, we’re stronger because of that.”

It’s part of that BS of why Russians love Putin so much – many Russians say that “he made me feel proud to be Russian again” by “restoring its glory” blah blah blah.

Russia going to Afghanistan is largly for internal consumption.

AlexB on June 25, 2008 at 2:56 PM

JiangxiDad on June 25, 2008 at 1:58 PM

It’s not that Russia needs cash. It’s an opportunity to get mo money. Never turn up your nose at mo money.

Just ask any of the multi-billionaires who never seem to have enough.

The also get good PR credits with Europe/USA.

rockhauler on June 25, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Moscow is taking advantage of the deterioration of the war in Afghanistan and the implications for regional security could be far-reaching.

Another liberal BS. NATO wants the Russians in Afghanistan so they won’t causes trouble and to put pressure on Moscow’s allies.

The Taliban can’t win because they don’t have the heavy weapons, training, and technology to counter NATO forces.

jdun on June 25, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Dandy of an idea…what could possibly go wrong? **snicker, snicker**

Alden Pyle on June 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Alden Pyle on June 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM

What could go wrong? You mean the Russians could threaten to shut off the supply route unless they get mo money? Like they did to Europe last winter over fuel prices?

You mean a blockade like they did for west Berlin when everything had to be flown in by US aircraft?

You mean like infiltrating agents disguised as logistics officers?

You have a better plan? or just an attitude?

rockhauler on June 25, 2008 at 3:21 PM

Russia back in Afghanistan?

Only if kick butt “The Gipper” attitude comes with it . Otherwise, ugh, Mother Russia will morph further back into Putin’s Wet Red Dream.

Branch Rickey on June 25, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Let’s hope Russia doesn’t play tit for tat and supply the fundies in Afghan with SAM’s, intel, money and training through a proxy like the US did back in the 80’s.

Chimpy on June 25, 2008 at 3:26 PM

What a textbook contrast of how the USA goes to war to enhance Afghanistan compared to what the Reds did. Hopefully they won’t employ any of those exploding toys designed to attract children only to blow off a limb so they can’t fight as adults.

Screw Russia, and the tanks they ride in on.

Hening on June 25, 2008 at 3:37 PM


“agreement in principle over the supply of Russian weaponry to the Afghanistan National” Army”

It’s one thing to sell some AK47’s, the rifle of choice, and Russians being in Afghanistan. They would be dead on arrival by all sides.

patrick neid on June 25, 2008 at 4:01 PM

What a textbook contrast of how the USA goes to war to enhance Afghanistan compared to what the Reds did.

The US funded Taliban has enhanced it alright.

freevillage on June 25, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Somewhere in these negotiations should be a discussion about a gas pipeline…

Steve Z on June 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Is this the same Russia that has a long history of not leaving once invited in?

NotCoach

It will be fine, because your fearless leader has seen inside Putin’s soul.

Krydor on June 25, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Sounds like a straight arms, and ammunition deal. Russia sells Ak47s, and ammunition to the Afghan army, US pays for the weapons. Also Russia permits transshipments of supplies through their territory via Europe.

Russia profits. US/NATO gets a secure re-supply route.

Correct.

You can lighten up on “the Russians are coming” stuff. They aren’t sending anyone in country – just letting us back up the use of Karachi’s port with an alternative route for supplies. Also, the ANA uses Russian weaponry – AK, RPK, PKM, DsHK, RPG, etc. They had enough of the stuff lying around after the 1980s… And God knows I had enough of the 107mm rockets used. At me.

major john on June 25, 2008 at 10:33 PM

I think our gov’t deserves its own share of the blame for the radicalization of Afghanistan in the 80’s. The Soviets were there, so we wanted the Saudis to help. Horrible move by Reagan that’s come to bite us in the butt. Three thousand Americans dead because we allow the Saudis to mess things up for us.

NorthernCross on June 25, 2008 at 10:57 PM

This is nothing new. The Russians were there back in ‘05/’06 when I was with the International Police Program. They brought us our supplies and mail . . . as a matter of fact, at the time the only aircraft IPP used was Russian aircraft (unless we were lucky enough to get a lift from the Coalition, which wasn’t often). They were good guys, for Ruskies.

srhoades on June 26, 2008 at 9:16 AM

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