Report: McCain meets with president of Log Cabin Republicans
posted at 7:27 pm on June 25, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Unconfirmed as yet by the campaign, but the LCRs say it’s so:
A source with close ties to the Log Cabin Board of Directors provided information about the meeting to GayPatriot earlier this week. This source disclosed that the Log Cabin meeting was not reflected on Senator McCain’s published schedule in advance and the meeting…
Log Cabin President Patrick Sammon confirmed the meeting with Senator McCain in email correspondence with GayPatriot earlier today…
Based on published news reports, the meeting with Senator McCain would be the first between any national-level gay Republicans and a Republican Presidental nominee since “The Texas 12″ met with then-Governor George W. Bush in 2000.
One of Maverick’s more appealing mavericky qualities during the campaign has been his attempt to expand the tent by reaching out to minority voters. The rift’s not going to be healed anytime soon and he surely realizes it, but this gets us a tiny bit closer to healing it eventually. It’s commendable that he’s willing to devote resources to the task. What’s especially impressive — or insane, from the strict Machiavellian point of view — is that meeting with the LCRs could actually cost him votes among the most strident members of a social conservative base that’s not real keen on him to begin with and even less so after he dumped Hagee and Parsley. Surely there aren’t so many gay Republicans and independents that winning them over will offset the potential loss in votes among evangelicals, so what’s McCain’s game here? Or is there no game at all and he’s simply acting out of decency towards a GOP constituency?
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Republicans need to start working on this. To get it to work though Republicans will need to adopt more libertarian social policies; which too many seem to fear for some reason.
lorien1973 on June 25, 2008 at 7:31 PM
im gonna say an act of decency on his part.
trailortrash on June 25, 2008 at 7:34 PM
What’s not conservative about talking to gay people?
So now the gay people are out in the open, but McCain is hiding?
JiangxiDad on June 25, 2008 at 7:35 PM
Tell me you aren’t surprised. McCain hates the right wing social conservatives.
Snake307 on June 25, 2008 at 7:37 PM
Good for him.
The GOP needs to quit ignoring the fact that there are gay Republicans – moderate, libertarian, and conservative.
its vintage duh on June 25, 2008 at 7:38 PM
It’s probably a good idea in the long run. For whatever reason, the gay community in NC was much more in favor of Hillary than Bambi. I always thought that was strange considering that Bill gave them DOMA and ENDA and both Clintons oppose gay marriage… as does Bambi, I think. Anyway, my point is that McNasty knows that the race is gonna be close, and a small minority group like gays could swing it in a couple of states (VA?). McCain won’t win the gay vote, but I guess he’s trying to increase the turnout of the older more conservative gays. And for whatever reason, most gay people don’t seem all that excited about Bambi.
Of course, I could be wrong.
Gartrip on June 25, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Good.
amerpundit on June 25, 2008 at 7:40 PM
I’m all in favor of the big tent. McCain should talk to everybody, even those who don’t traditionally vote Republican.
Gilda on June 25, 2008 at 7:40 PM
That’s what Gingrich said about global warming. Since when does being Republican mean acquiescing to liberal positions?
fourstringfuror on June 25, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Bingo.
He does not.
You’d be surprised how many gay conservatives and Republicans there are. Not even associated with LCR.
JetBoy on June 25, 2008 at 7:45 PM
I vote “act of decency”. Probably will be a net loss of votes, but I agree with AP on this point.
Ed Morrissey on June 25, 2008 at 7:45 PM
According to the exit polls from 2000 and 2004, twenty-five percent of gays voted Republican. That makes gay Republicans the GOP’s second largest minority constituency, next to Hispanic Republicans.
paul006 on June 25, 2008 at 7:46 PM
I have plenty of problems with McQueeg, this isn’t one of them. I disagree with the gay thing, but hey, it’s in their bedroom, not mine. They agree with the rest of us on most issues, and how many of us agree on every single thing, but still move along together?
bikermailman on June 25, 2008 at 7:46 PM
As long as he doesn’t start yammering about “gay rights,” go right ahead.
Might not want to keep it hush-hush though. It’s insulting to gays and shows a lack of courage in his convictions.
misterpeasea on June 25, 2008 at 7:46 PM
I heard rumors of many evangelicals jumping ship from McCain anyway due to the power of the Obammessiah and various other reasons. I don’t think he’ll lose any evangelical votes that weren’t already gone by talking to gay Republicans.
It’s hard to tell…don’t ask don’t tell and all.
NTWR on June 25, 2008 at 7:47 PM
It’s not like there are millions of homosexual Republicans, but there is a silent majority of “live and let live” types in that community. A paleoconservative Republican message could actually go over well with that community if properly messaged…
Why not talk to them?
ScottMcC on June 25, 2008 at 7:47 PM
From a practical point I struggle with this. It is an act of decency. And he needs every group he can pull in. But he can’t afford to alienate the Hagee/Parsely crowd any further. But then again the LCRs are probably more honest and reliable and pragmatic than Hagee/Parsely. Sometimes you need to do the right thing regardless and I believe he did the right thing.
JonRoss on June 25, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Who knows what’s in that guy’s head, but my guess is that this is simply for political advantage. You’re right in that he might lose a lot of the social-con vote as a result, and you are also right in pointing out that there isn’t enough of a gay republican base to make up for that possible loss. So it could be that McCain really isn’t aiming for either, he could be shooting over both of their heads. He could simply be trying to reinforce the idea that, “Whatever you didn’t like about Bush and the Far Right…aint me.” I think he is continuing to try and pull Democrats, who have not yet been sold on Obama, his way, . But again, who knows.
Weight of Glory on June 25, 2008 at 7:50 PM
He doesn’t? Since when? Must be some time after 2000. And seeing as how he’s moved to the left since 2000, I’m skeptical.
Any support for your assertion?
misterpeasea on June 25, 2008 at 7:51 PM
I think there are a lot of people like me that are 100% pro-life AND support equal gay rights (including marriage). Most of the conservative Republicans and more moderate Republicans I’ve talked to are the same way. I don’t like a lot of the things LCR has done in the past (and I certaintly don’t think they represent most gay Republicans, as JetBoy noted above), but it’s a good thing that he met with them anyway.
malan89 on June 25, 2008 at 7:51 PM
If the Hagee/Parsley crowd are anyting like Hagee and Parsley, Republicans don’t need ‘em.
JetBoy on June 25, 2008 at 7:52 PM
That one.
Good Lt on June 25, 2008 at 7:52 PM
Yeap, well said.
JonRoss on June 25, 2008 at 7:52 PM
Trust me, it’s harder “coming out” as a conservative to gays than to “come out” in general. I have been ostracized like you wouldn’t imagine, but I yam what I yam!
SouthernGent on June 25, 2008 at 7:53 PM
Hmmm. Since McCain does not have a decent bone in his body, I’m going to guess that the correct answer is (c). “He’s doing it for the same reason he sucks up to La Raza even though they despise him. He does it because giving the finger to the right is far more important to him than winning an election.”
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 7:54 PM
I certainly hope so. Like I have said before, it astounds me why more members of the gay community aren’t conservative (or at least openly conservative.) It seems that a segment of the population that has an average income notably higher than that of the population as a whole would consider more conservative economic policies more thoroughly, at the very least.
MB007 on June 25, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Don’t sweat it Mister. JetBoy is a long known cheerleader for McCain and the Republicans over anything else. If McCain announced he was going to support a ban on all American Manufacturing in response to Global Warming, JetBoy would cheer the move as a brilliant political strategy by the Republicans to undermine support among the Environmentalist Wackos.
Snake307 on June 25, 2008 at 7:55 PM
That I can well believe. Who are the real bigots here?
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 7:56 PM
It’s the word “hates” that doesn’t fit. Becoming more liberal *shudder*…that word…isn’t a bad thing when applied to social issues. I don’t want to see the GOP to alienate any potential voters or segments of the population.
Case in point, Ann Coulter’s “fag” remark at CPAC a couple years ago…she took a lot of flack for it, deservedly.
JetBoy on June 25, 2008 at 7:58 PM
This is what makes me despair of Republicans. People don’t vote for a party out of economic interest. They support one party or the other as part of their social identity. Two completely different things.
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 7:59 PM
25%? Huh, how about that, I thought it’d be much less than that.
As for the social cons, they’re going to have to have to deal with getting their ox gored for once, small gov’t and pro-immigration enforcement conservatives have been getting dismissed by the GOP for a good while, their turn…
doubleplusundead on June 25, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Funny, I thought you opposed abortion?
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:00 PM
heh…I found the opposite true for me. But then, I LOVE arguing politics…especially around election time, when there’s always people coming in the bars with “Obama” pins and stuff, and I tell ‘em I’m Republican, and away we go!
JetBoy on June 25, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Ah, another Hot Air “conservative’.
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:01 PM
And you do a good Popeye impersonation.
JonRoss on June 25, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Props to McCain. The GOP needs to move away from the religious right if it doesn’t want to be a permanent minority party. Reaching out to the LCR’s is a good start. Let’s see how McCain’s campaign plays this…
Enrique on June 25, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Per Southern Gent’s comments, harder to come out in a conservative environment than general population, yeah. Even harder to come out as a Conservative in the general gay population?
bikermailman on June 25, 2008 at 8:03 PM
I do. I’ve never considered abortion a social issue…it’s a basic human rights issue that, to me, shouldn’t even be arguable. Terminating human life at any stage is murder.
JetBoy on June 25, 2008 at 8:04 PM
‘Course maybe McCain is a HotAir reader, and has read the “Headline” story that those who believe in God are less likely to be politically active. After reading that, he may have said, “Screw it! I’m talking with the LCR!”
Weight of Glory on June 25, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Some of us believe that conservatism has more to do with limiting government, and nothing at all to do with enforcing Christian morality. Get with the times, man.
Enrique on June 25, 2008 at 8:05 PM
Points from me. Our party should talk to everyone.
Dash on June 25, 2008 at 8:05 PM
Sure McCain hates the right wing constituents. That’s a given. That’s why he called us all racists when we opposed the Amnesty plan he championed. Our arguments about the need for controlled immigration, my own examples were from Ellis Island and essentially were public health issues as well as national security, the big question was what happens when an immigrant arrives with Small Pox, and hides from public health workers, minor outbreak, no sweat, a few hundred dead, it’s cool.
Yet we’re racists, because we oppose amnesty in favor of a controlled immigration plan. I have long argued for essentially open, that is to say no restricted numbers, for immigration. However, I’ve also argued in favor of checks on potential immigrants regarding criminal activity, and especially public health.
Yet these arguments were racist according to McCain. Also he voted against the tax cuts, because they were too generous to the rich. So Republicans now stand for class warfare? What else do we now support? We know McCain wouldn’t support a constitutional amendment, the only way around the court imposed standards for Gay Marriage, so apparently he’s not really opposed to it. Not opposed enough to actually do something. Sort of like he’s in favor of securing the boarder, so long as he doesn’t actually have to do anything about it, he’s in favor.
McCain is a good example of the Rockefeller Republicans, the rich and shameless who want special breaks slipped in under the door. He’s a horrible example of the conservative ideals that once inspired the nation. He’s probably a great example of the Czarist Prince Mentality that I’ve raged against for years. No one owes him anything for his service. He’s not special because he’s a Senator, and he’s not more valuable than the least of our citizens. In fact, most of the citizens are more valuable than he is. They contribute more to the society by showing up to work every day than he does showing up to place more burdens on their backs.
Snake307 on June 25, 2008 at 8:06 PM
+1
JetBoy on June 25, 2008 at 8:06 PM
I believe he was just being decent. I’ve no problem with him meeting with the LCR.
Limerick on June 25, 2008 at 8:06 PM
misterpeasea on June 25, 2008 at 7:51 PM
I think I need only scroll up a bit to confirm that you were the one making unsubstantiated assertions. If you want to have a reasonable discussion, feel free to substantiate your remark, but a drive-by ad hominem (”McCain hates…”) just makes you look silly and exceptionally partisan.
DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Umm???
Actually, although I’m a “homophobe, I think keeping open dialogue with teh ghey is good.
Votes? I’m a consevative evangelical, with all the attending evils; this won’t turn me away.
davidk on June 25, 2008 at 8:07 PM
How exactly is it “an act of decency” for McCain to meet with gay Republicans?
I guess you can make arguments for an against it, but calling it an “act of decency” sure seems like a slur against the GOP, and suggests a peculiar misunderstanding of the status of gays in America.
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:07 PM
“What’s the Matter with San Francisco?”
Oh my. Are you absolutely sure about that?
In 1965, 24 percent of black infants and 3.1 percent of white infants were born to single mothers. By 1990 the rates had risen to 64 percent for black infants, 18 percent for whites.
misterpeasea on June 25, 2008 at 8:07 PM
On Sunday, I went to the gay pride festival in downtown Pittsburgh. I was hoping to find some Log Cabin Republicans. They were around in 2004, but they weren’t here this time. It’s weird, because McCain is clearly so much better on gay issues than Bush. I fear this just is symptom of the recent anti-Republican trends.
The news is even worse. There were many lesbians with wearing Obama kitch. Couldn’t they at least have remained angry at Obama a little longer?
I lost my feelings of optimism about McCain’s chances for a short while, but I’m back now to the idea that people will catch on to Obama.
thuja on June 25, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Snake307 on June 25, 2008 at 8:06 PM
LOL. You just wasted a lot of time typing a comment that was based on a complete strawman.
There are 2 or 3 people, in particular, here at Hotair who you can always count on for entertainingly ridiculous logical fallacy.
DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 8:09 PM
Isn’t meeting with them and keeping it secret more insulting to them than not meeting with them at all? He should not make the mistake of hiding it. Maybe this is something where McCain can make a positive change in the Republican party. McCain seems to always go after liberals to get them in the party, which is a sure way of destroying the Republican party. He should be going after conservatives, no matter who they are, and this meeting with the LCR is a good start.
LaurieM134 on June 25, 2008 at 8:09 PM
Two problems there. You are describing libertarianism, not conservatism.
And the track record of libertarianism in “limiting government” is a lot like the track record of the Nazis in spreading world peace. If you really want limited government, social conservatism is your only option in getting it.
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:11 PM
misterpeasea on June 25, 2008 at 8:07 PM
And what laws are you proposing that we pass? This should be interesting.
DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 8:12 PM
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Now that we can see the quality (or lack thereof) of commenters in this thread, I’ll get back to what I was doing. Enjoy.
DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Well, you liberal loon, I guess we could pass welfare reform laws.
Oops, we did!
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:13 PM
No, the answer is not to just dismiss the religious right, the answer is to effectively offer them an alternative to being Christian Democrats like Mike Huckabee. Everyone, religious and non-religious alike would benefit immensely by reducing the government’s power over our daily lives.
The religious right gets sucked into the trap of trying to cure societal ills by trying to use government power, but they’re treating the symptoms, the problem is usually caused by too much government in the first place. We have to offer a clear alternative to their current path.
doubleplusundead on June 25, 2008 at 8:13 PM
I suppose I should qualify the disdain for McCain. Right after the Gay Marriage decision in California, he shows up for a secret meeting with the LCR’s.
Look, let’s be honest for a moment. I don’t care what you do in your house, or with whom. If your idea of a good time is to dress up in a leather boyscout outfit, more power too you. I’ll be the first to defend your right to do what you want in your home, so long as no one else is harmed by your actions. I mean real harm, or non consensual activity.
So long as everyone involved agrees, have at it, and have a great time.
I don’t care if your gay or not, black, or brown. I don’t care if your from Arizona or Michigan. I don’t care about anything except your status. Are you American? If so, I’m all in favor of your rights to do what you want when you want. I don’t do Hyphens. I only focus on the last word of any of those anyway. American. That’s all that matters to me, and frankly, should be the only thing that matters to anyone.
However, it’s McCain doing his usual politicians tricks. Denounce the gay Marriage decision, and then run and tell everyone in the LCR that you’re really with them. Announce that your in favor of Border Enforcement, and then rush to La Raza and tell them you’re in favor of amnesty.
McCain is a rotten individual, one whom I wouldn’t trust to be elected to the local school board. One whom I can’t and won’t trust, because he’s already shown himself to be two faced. Count this conservatives vote for Obama. I prefer the devil I know, to the only action I could do with McCain. Pull and Pray that he doesn’t screw us too badly.
Snake307 on June 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Good on you, Gent. You remind me of a card where the picture shows one penguing jumping up among hundreds and yells, “I gottta be me!”
I think McCain is just going with his gut instinct and trying to do the right thing. I think God must have invented gays to test our tolerance.
silverfox on June 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM
What does conservatism say about “talking” to gay people?
JiangxiDad on June 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM
OK, Dan Quayle….What does a rise in single mothers have to do with McCain?
JetBoy on June 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Yeah Dave, I’ve been blown away by your skill with words and your mastery of the facts.
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Uhm. DaveS? I guess you didn’t actually scroll up, huh? I didn’t make any unsubstantiated assertions; I didn’t say “McCain hates…” anybody. Speaking of looking silly.
But to dismiss without support the assertion that McCain hates social conservatives, when he attacked them publicly, vehemently, and repeatedly in 2000, is not convincing.
misterpeasea on June 25, 2008 at 8:15 PM
I have gotten used to it – live and let live. Last I heard, the Repubs were comprised of three groups: fiscal conservatives, security conservatives and social conservatives. One group should not dominate the rest (assuming they are mutually exclusive which they are not). It is possible to be a fiscal and security conservative with socially “liberal” ideas – such as not being anti-gay. So I approve of and support McCain doing this….of course this approval does not equal support for gay marriage.
HawaiiLwyr on June 25, 2008 at 8:15 PM
It does not say anything about it.
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:15 PM
right.
JiangxiDad on June 25, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Glad you cleared that up. As long as you’re excluding abortion then, yeah, I’m all for becoming more “liberal” on social issues. I don’t think “liberal” is the word to use; I think small-l libertarianism is a little better.
malan89 on June 25, 2008 at 8:16 PM
You have got to be kidding me.
MB007 on June 25, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Can you be for including gays and against gay marriage? I am.
silverfox on June 25, 2008 at 8:16 PM
McMorons gut instinct is never to do the right thing, but to do the thing which panders to the left.
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Ah, liberals!
Tell me, Thomas Frank, why do NY and CA and VT vote Democratic, while MS and AL and KA vote Republican?
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Um, Dave? I didn’t say anything about passing laws. Are straw men not ridiculous logical fallacies? Because you’ve tried them twice with me. Speaking of looking silly.
Yes, please do go back to whatever you were doing.
misterpeasea on June 25, 2008 at 8:20 PM
The term “social issue” is absurd. It’s used to suggest that certain issues are not really important. In reality the “social issues” are a good deal more important than the “non social” ones.
I don’t consider abortion to be a social issue. I don’t consider opposition to any of the lefts agenda for remaking humanity to be a “social issue”.
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Oh come on, JetBoy. You said being more liberal on social policy was not a bad thing. That’s what I was responding to; I didn’t say anything about McCain and single mothers.
And Dan Quayle was right.
P.S. You are not a Republican, or a conservative, if you’re a pro-war liberal.
misterpeasea on June 25, 2008 at 8:24 PM
There’s a man who leads a life of two-faced danger
With every secret meeting he comes off ever stranger
With every secret meeting he partakes another chance he takes
Odds are he can’t hide it all till some distant tomorrow
Secret McMeetingMan, Secret McMeetingMan
Now that you’ve got the nomination you are getting so damn lame
MB4 on June 25, 2008 at 8:26 PM
First things first, I’m assuming by KA you mean Kansas (KS).
Second of all, isn’t it the well-known hypocrisy of liberalism that those who spout socialist beliefs (and seek to further them) are generally themselves quite wealthy?
And thirdly, my assertions are neither liberal nor conservative. They are derived from common sense.
MB007 on June 25, 2008 at 8:26 PM
For the most part, I don’t think it is.
Look at McCains “socially liberal” ideas on immigration. They are totally incompataible with fiscal conservatism or security conservatism.
In general, socially liberal ideas about society come with a very steep price tag. Their ideas about the family, for instance.
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:27 PM
I agree with SouthernGent. No Republican or Christian has ever told me to “get AIDS and die,” but plenty of gay people have for voting Republican. .
its vintage duh on June 25, 2008 at 8:28 PM
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:13 PM
That is libertarian, is not intrinsically “socially conservative” at all, and has little or nothing to do with the original comment, in which changes in illegitimacy rates were noted.
And thinking != “liberal”.
misterpeasea on June 25, 2008 at 8:20 PM
That was the clear implication. You said–by dismissively asking “You sure about that?”–that a hands-off “liberal” approach to social issues would not work, which you attempted to somehow support by posting illegitimacy rates (which I see as completely unrelated and utterly feckless as evidence to your point, but whatevs).
Since you saw them as related, and since you insisted on “socially conservative” government policy to pro-actively address the statistics you posted, I simply wanted to know what laws you thought reasonable.
I still would like to know. You aren’t getting off the hook here.
DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Any of the “Hagee/Parsely crowd” (whoever they are) who might object to this isn’t reading the rule book.
baldilocks on June 25, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Surely “first things first” would entail you answering my question before asking me yours?
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Pretty much says it for me. I just don’t trust McCain; don’t forget the old ’slip the giant amnesty bill through the senate in the dead of night’ trick was his idea…and you want to give him executive power? No thanks. Untrustworthy hack is about the most charitable descriptor I can come up with for McCain. Obama will be predictable in the type of damage he’s going to do; McCain..there’s no telling what he’ll do when he’s safe in office. The fact that he is wooing the left so hard tells me he’s going to be leaning on them quite a bit…that’s going to be some ugly legislation.
austinnelly on June 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM
McCain’s attitude towards Gays seems to bare a strong resemblance to Bill’s attitude towards Monica.
Yes, a great deal of resemblance in fact.
MB4 on June 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Snake307 on June 25, 2008 at 8:14 PM
The devil you know? Don’t we keep learning surprising new things about the Obamessiah and his connections/positions constantly?
MB007 on June 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM
You’re unreal. My voter registration says I’m Republican, I vote Republican, any one of my friends would tell you I’m the most conservative person they’ve ever met, and where do you get “pro war liberal” from?
And you most certainly DID say something about single mothers…you even posted a link. *sigh*
JetBoy on June 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:27 PM
How do you figure? And what, exactly, do you think to be “their ideas about the family”?
DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Tolerance.
doubleplusundead on June 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Fascinating. Can I conclude that “social conservative”, to you, is identical to “those sections of the religious right which I dislike”?
Because social conservatism has only a tangental connection at best with religion.
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Hey, are we like related or something? How come you got two zeros and I didn’t get any?
MB4 on June 25, 2008 at 8:33 PM
I hope he met with them.
Good Move McCain!
bridgetown on June 25, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Nothing wrong on McCains part to be reaching out,
and I believe the tent is big enough,and its time
for Republicans as well to accept gays!
Ontario,Canada legalized gay marriage a few years
ago,and guess what,it takes the activism out of
the equation politicaly!
canopfor on June 25, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Surely “first things first” would entail you answering my question before asking me yours?
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:29 PM
I thinking my ombudsing of your error in state abbreviations merits first attention to fully understand your question. I answered your question by citing a well-known aspect of liberalism.
MB007 on June 25, 2008 at 8:34 PM
First things first. Am I really talking to a self professed conservative here? Because it’s mighty odd that I need to explain Conservatism 101 to you. And that you feel the need to leap to liberalisms defence like this.
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Unfortunately, a few fundamentalist types have uttered those words to me. Doesn’t bother me tho. I’m Catholic anyway.
And yes…many, many of my gay comrades have chastised me considerably for voting Republican. But again, I live for the argument. I always win…as they usually throw their hands up at some point and say “I can’t take you anymore” and they walk away.
JetBoy on June 25, 2008 at 8:35 PM
MB4 on June 25, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Well my “MB” is derived from “Mercedes-Benz”. But the incidence of coincidence never fails to surprise me.
MB007 on June 25, 2008 at 8:36 PM
I don’t see anything wrong with this meeting. We are against gay marriage, however, it does not mean we are against gays and lesbians. We can be inclusive and discuss and debate ideas. We are the party of equality.
jencab on June 25, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Hey,
MB4 on June 25,2008 at 8:33PM.
MB4:What the h!ll,I had to do a double take,
is MB007 an upgraded artillery piece,or
are you two related!!!!!! :)haha
canopfor on June 25, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Meet with them? Sure. But secretly? It’s also interesting that the article notes that many of his “private meetings” don’t appear on his public schedule. Maybe this is par for the course, but it is intriguing.
My question is, what are they talking about? My suspicion-
and I’ll admit it’s only a suspicion- is that the conversation might have been along the lines of “I’m really in favor of gay marriage, but those darn conservatives just won’t let me say that.”
I hope I’m wrong.
cs89 on June 25, 2008 at 8:38 PM
You don’t have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.
- Barry “Mr Conservative” Goldwater
MB4 on June 25, 2008 at 8:38 PM
That sentence was gibberish. If you feel the need to attempt to wow me with your intellectual brilliance, try not to stumble over your words.
Perhaps you were trying to say that you did not understand the question? But I don’t believe that you are that foolish.
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Goldwater was an empty suit. All the words he was famous for were written by others.
flenser on June 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM
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