Gallup: All tied at 45

posted at 2:24 pm on June 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Gallup’s daily presidential tracking poll has had Barack Obama and John McCain in a statistical dead heat for the last two weeks.  Now it has them in an actual dead heat.  The difference appears to be rising support for McCain, although the changes are quite narrow:

The latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update on the presidential election finds John McCain and Barack Obama exactly tied at 45% among registered voters nationwide.

Voter preferences had been fairly evenly divided for the past week, with Obama generally holding a slight advantage of two or three percentage points. This is the first time since Gallup’s May 31-June 4 rolling average that Obama does not have at least a slim advantage over McCain. Obama’s largest lead to date has been seven points.

Even better news: the sample is significantly larger than any used by the news media in recent polling (2600 respondents).  It also uses registered voters, which normally would favor Democrats.

Yesterday, Stacy McCain (no relation) explained the polling vagaries:

Given the fact that huge numbers of eligible voters don’t vote, a pollster — if his poll results are to be useful or credible — must try to screen for “likely voters.” This is a doggone difficult thing to do, but it must be attempted, because voters and non-voters differ significantly in their preferences. Non-voters are more likely to support liberal policies and Democratic candidates (a source of endless frustration to liberal Democrats). So a poll that doesn’t properly screen for “likely voters” will always skew leftward (as was true of the Newsweek poll that surveyed “registered voters” rather than “likely voters”).

This is probably why early polls have historically overstated support for Democratic presidential candidates. The closer you get to Election Day, the easier it becomes to determine who the “likely voters” are. Thus, the samples in early polls contain lots of liberal-leaning eligible voters who, in the end, won’t actually bother to vote.

This is why sampling is so important in these polls, and why Newsweek, the LA Times, and CBS traditionally provide outliers rather than predictive results.

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How dare they release poll results that don’t reflect His Magnificence.

its vintage duh on June 25, 2008 at 2:27 PM

So, statistically, nothing has changed at all.

DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM

I had this feeling that the Lame Stream polls were stacking the deck….

CynicalOptimist on June 25, 2008 at 2:31 PM

More racists in this country than I thought!

/s

MrScribbler on June 25, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Did people learn nothing about polls after the Florida exit poll debacle? I put as much faith in polls as I do the Tooth Fairy now.

JeffinSac on June 25, 2008 at 2:31 PM

BTW, Obama’s support comes from people who might make the notion of “likely voters” a bit obsolete. I’m not trying to be pessimistic here, but I think we need to be careful in getting too confident about who “likely voters” are this time around or who they will favor. Obama has stirred up some passionate support among people who I normally wouldn’t expect to vote.

DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 2:32 PM

The nationwide numbers are a complete irrelevancy, but the MSM will publicize them if they’re likely to discourage Republicans. The election will be decided in a few battleground states like Ohio, Michigan, and Florida. Those are the numbers that count.

I haven’t seen an analysis based only on the critical states. I’d wager that McCain’s probably getting a lot of crossover action in those places.

Cicero43 on June 25, 2008 at 2:33 PM

How dare they release poll results that don’t reflect His Magnificence.

its vintage duh on June 25, 2008 at 2:27 PM

HuffPo is issuing a warning to Gallup right this moment I am sure. The wood shed is getting full. Maybe they can just run over it with a bus.

NotCoach on June 25, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Factor in that Barry always polls better than he performs; then factor in that he’s bound to have several more rookie mistakes in him; then factor in that if he moves to the center he cuts off his funding, but if he stays on the left he’s deader’n disco–which is why his not accepting public financing was yet one more rookie mistake; factor in the shrillness of the voices on the left as they hector us racist rubes when it’s obvious come September and October we’re not buying what he’s selling…

Hell, who knows? Time November rolls around, he might carry DC.

Typhoon on June 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Watch, people…as McCain’s numbers begin to rise, and the Messiah’s crumble.

After the first debates, it’ll be McCain in a landslide.

JetBoy on June 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM

This is the difference between Allah and Ed. Allah is a pessimist, Ed is an optimist.

Chudi on June 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM

I’m confused. If this poll uses registered voters, (i.e., the same pool as the MSM polls), why aren’t we seeing the 15 point spreads replicated here?

Is Gallup screening better than, say, Gallup/USA Today? If so, how is the screening different from merely “registered” voters in both polls?

NeighborhoodCatLady on June 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Given the fact that huge numbers of eligible voters don’t vote, a pollster — if his poll results are to be useful or credible — must try to screen for “likely voters.”

Well… there you go… now we know….

CynicalOptimist on June 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM

So…let’s see, Obama’s raised $265 million and he’s tied. Great job there, Messiah.

CP on June 25, 2008 at 2:39 PM

[its vintage duh on June 25, 2008 at 2:27 PM]

Yes, it’s a disgraceful type of politicking.

Dusty on June 25, 2008 at 2:40 PM

You can fool some of the people all the time and all of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all the people all the time.About half have caught on to Obama after 1.5 years of “Brawk Change” “Brawk Hope” “Brawk Yes we can”, “Brawk Obama”, Brawk Polly want a free cracker we stole from greedy Republicans and Businessmen?”. We will see in November how many have caught on after two years of ideological pablum.

KW64 on June 25, 2008 at 2:40 PM

This is not the Gallup that I knew . . .

NoDonkey on June 25, 2008 at 2:40 PM

I admit it. I am “routing” for McCain. Like a sports team that I would not pay to see, I am “hoping” for his success.

I will send money to the Republican party when the time comes, but I am unlikely to to pull the lever.

I am betting that there are enough people that will choose the blurriness of McCain’s negatives vs the clarity of Obama’s unfitness.

“F-it McCain”.

Agrippa2k on June 25, 2008 at 2:40 PM

Two bums tied in the polls. Ho Hum, Barf

bill30097 on June 25, 2008 at 2:41 PM

early polls contain lots of liberal-leaning eligible voters who, in the end, won’t actually bother to vote.

RAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCISSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTT!

malan89 on June 25, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Oh Look! Another Poll!

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

bridgetown on June 25, 2008 at 2:42 PM

So where is the poll asking
1) How likely are the Dems to steal, lie and do whatever skullduggery they can in order to win this election? and 2) how likely that, even after being caught red-handed doing so, any of them will be prosecuted in any real manner?

bbz123 on June 25, 2008 at 2:45 PM

NeighborhoodCatLady on June 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM

First of all, this is a significantly larger sample than most polls. We’re talking 2,600 registered voters.

Second, it’s possible (though I can’t find a breakdown) that there’s less of a stacking of voter identity. In that LAT/Bloomberg poll, there was a 17-point discrepancy between the number of Dems and the number of Reps surveyed. From the footer of the LAT/B survey:

In this national poll’s random sample of voters, 39% identified themselves as Democrats, 22% as Republicans, and 27% as independents.

amerpundit on June 25, 2008 at 2:46 PM

For a while I thought that Obamessiah had suspended the laws of physics. But apparently, dead cats don’t bounce after all.

Wethal on June 25, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Holy crap! Traditionally, dems lead by 5 to 7 points at this juncture. Assuming this poll is more accurate than the others, it spells bad news for the empty suit.

Think_b4_speaking on June 25, 2008 at 2:48 PM

Casting about for a simple explanation for the differences between Newsweek on one side and Gallup on the other, it’s clear that either a) one or both aren’t credible or b) two or more similar but non-identical parallel universes have been been discovered and accessed by hundreds of individual polling employees, and no one else, and that the differing characters of those at least two universes just happen, for reasons that will require study by physicists, to coincide with the ideological biases and predilections of the polling firms and sponsors.

I’m kind of leaning toward b, because I just find it so hard to believe that the biases of pollsters could influence their numbers.

CK MacLeod on June 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Being behind at convention time is not a familiar experience for Dems… Operation Chaos continues!

T J Green on June 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM

whats the point of the polls before a debate?

Obama is to scared to do a townhall meeting with McCain.. so .. I guess we have to wait for the debates..

Obama would be more comfortable debating and appeasing terrorists than talking with the American people.

Chakra Hammer on June 25, 2008 at 2:51 PM

drill here, drill now…improve poll numbers

jp on June 25, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Two bums tied in the polls. Ho Hum, Barf

bill30097 on June 25, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Yeah, I can’t bring myself to slap a McCain bumpersticker on my truck, but I eased my conscience with a “Nobama” sticker from WorldNetDaily.

CynicalOptimist on June 25, 2008 at 2:55 PM

So…let’s see, Obama’s raised $265 million and he’s tied. Great job there, Messiah.
CP on June 25, 2008 at 2:39 PM

It’s a beautiful thing.

wise_man on June 25, 2008 at 2:56 PM

malan89 on June 25, 2008 at 2:42 PM

RAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCISSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTT!

It would be cool if we could inline images here.

DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 2:57 PM

amerpundit on June 25, 2008 at 2:46 PM

In that LAT/Bloomberg poll, there was a 17-point discrepancy between the number of Dems and the number of Reps surveyed. From the footer of the LAT/B survey:

What makes you think that is incorrect?

DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 2:58 PM

drill here, drill now…improve poll numbers

jp on June 25, 2008 at 2:51 PM

the lexigington project by McCain looks promising seems like he got the whole package wrapped up in a nice little ball. Need more details like if Cap and trade is in there but looks good so far.

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 2:59 PM

wise_man on June 25, 2008 at 2:56 PM

has he used the money yet?

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Oh yeah?

Well oversample Democrats by 2 to 1 like all the other polls and see how McCain does then!

Chuck Schick on June 25, 2008 at 3:00 PM

has he used the money yet?

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 2:59 PM

.
About $230M of it.

Think_b4_speaking on June 25, 2008 at 3:01 PM

What makes you think that is incorrect?

DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 2:58 PM

It’s not even in the neighborhood of historical trends. As Public Opinion Strategies pointed out, in 2004 the party identity was even at 37%. Even when Dems picked up some serious ground against the Republican Congress in 2006, the discrepancy was only 2%.

amerpundit on June 25, 2008 at 3:02 PM

has he used the money yet?

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Of the money he’s raised, he has $43 million in the bank. $10 million of that can’t be touched until Sept.

amerpundit on June 25, 2008 at 3:03 PM

First of all, this is a significantly larger sample than most polls. We’re talking 2,600 registered voters.

Wasn’t the LA Times poll 4 people seen leaving Obama’s house?

Chuck Schick on June 25, 2008 at 3:03 PM

malan89 on June 25, 2008 at 2:42 PM

RAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCISSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTT!
It would be cool if we could inline images here.

DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Uh…dude.. THAT’S RACIST!

CynicalOptimist on June 25, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Non-voters are more likely to support liberal policies and Democratic candidates

There will be more conservative/Republican non-voters this year, because of the Maverick.

If Obama wins, I’m moving to Poland.™

kirkill on June 25, 2008 at 3:05 PM

I just cannot imagine not voting in something as important as a presidental election.

I admit to caring quite a bit, but even then…everyone ought to care at least a little, shouldn’t they?

Bob's Kid on June 25, 2008 at 3:06 PM

The poll is 45 per cent,so that means
the Liberals are screwing with the numbers
again!

So if we add 1 percent per state,Obama says
theres 59 states,so will go with the other 8
non existence states,let me see,oh ya, thats
8 percent from the eight States that don’t
exist!

Now we minus 22.5 from 8,that gives us around
forteen percent,ya thought so,

So actually Obama is at 14 percent,according to
my Liberal formula,thought so,idiots! haha:)

canopfor on June 25, 2008 at 3:07 PM

I still say screw this. I’m leaving the party the day after they officially nominate McCain at the convention.

Ludwig on June 25, 2008 at 3:09 PM

There will be more conservative/Republican non-voters this year, because of the Maverick.
If Obama wins, I’m moving to Poland.™
kirkill on June 25, 2008 at 3:05 PM

If Obama wins, I’m going to make all of their lives (the ones who are spending the months before the election telling us all how they would never stoop down to vote for McCain and damn the consequences) a living hell for the next 4 to 8 years because they could have participated in making sure that Obama wasn’t elected.

wise_man on June 25, 2008 at 3:10 PM

I still say screw this. I’m leaving the party the day after they officially nominate McCain at the convention.
Ludwig on June 25, 2008 at 3:09 PM

And don’t bother coming back.

wise_man on June 25, 2008 at 3:11 PM

This explains democrats doing all those “Get out and vote” things and Diddy’s “Vote Obama or Die” crap

apollyonbob on June 25, 2008 at 3:11 PM

amerpundit on June 25, 2008 at 3:02 PM

It’s not even in the neighborhood of historical trends. As Public Opinion Strategies pointed out, in 2004 the party identity was even at 37%. Even when Dems picked up some serious ground against the Republican Congress in 2006, the discrepancy was only 2%.

Dude… that was in 2006. And that was probably actual results, not affiliation.

Even *I* have registered independent since 2006.

CynicalOptimist on June 25, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Uh…dude.. THAT’S RACIST!

LOL… that’s a fark thing.

DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Hey Ed, the crosstabs don’t mention how many polled saw Obama behind that sweet-ass cardboard presidential seal.

Watch for the bump, suckas.

Chuck Schick on June 25, 2008 at 3:13 PM

Dude… that was in 2006.

DaveS on June 25, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Yes, against Republicans that McCain polls better than nationally. If Obama’s able to turn out the always-elusive youth vote and the discrepancy reaches 17-points, I’ll eat crow.

amerpundit on June 25, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Agrippa2k on June 25, 2008 at 2:40 PM

I am “routing” for McCain.

Do you work for UPS or something?

MarkTheGreat on June 25, 2008 at 3:15 PM

Well I took a poll here in Tel-Aviv of 6 non registered, non likely, non citizens of America voters – and let me tell you.. It’s not looking too good for Obama. The good news is there’s a narrowing in the +/- sampling error rate which helps since the sampling was a bit small.

It won’t be long until we start getting Obama ads here ‘nationwide’ in the holy land to try & counter the strong McCain polling effects, he’s got the budget so he’s going to pressure McCain here hard in these traditional ‘Zionist’ districts. I want to book a ‘non-strategist’ talking head from TV to breakdown and see just how Obama can take the electoral college, without picking up the key Jerusalem & ‘South Central’ Haifa votes despite a strong showing in North Tel-Aviv.

Developing on Drudge..

saus on June 25, 2008 at 3:15 PM

I still say screw this.
Ludwig on June 25,2008 at 3:09PM.

Ludwig: I like this Mutiny you speak of,sounds
good to!

To join,will you get an autographed miniture
blimp signed by Ron Paul!

canopfor on June 25, 2008 at 3:16 PM

I’m leaving the party the day after they officially nominate McCain at the convention.

How about beating the rush and leaving now? And don’t let the door hit you.

Any “conservative” who can’t see the difference between an honorable Patriot like John McCain and a socialist/pacifist lying, corrupt and unqualified circus clown like Barack Obama, isn’t worth having around in the first place.

Go. Please. Now.

NoDonkey on June 25, 2008 at 3:17 PM

How dare they release poll results that don’t reflect His Magnificence.

Now, that made me laugh.

Rightwingsparkle on June 25, 2008 at 3:17 PM

Any “conservative” who can’t see the difference between an honorable Patriot like John McCain and a socialist/pacifist lying, corrupt and unqualified circus clown like Barack Obama, isn’t worth having around in the first place.

And THAT made me yell “Amen!”

Rightwingsparkle on June 25, 2008 at 3:18 PM

The first impression people believe NEVER changes:This is good since the first impressions of Obama will not get a yes from 60% of voters; however McCain has his own problems with conservatives who must try to vote for a candidate whose first impresions were that he has been a “feisty betrayer” of their beliefs whenever he can do so.Thats not going away, BUT just remind yourself YOU HAVE A VOTE ON THE NEXT 3 SUPREME COURT LIFETIME JUSTICES. Forget McCain and vote for those 3 Justices.

jimw on June 25, 2008 at 3:18 PM

Diddy’s “Vote Obama or Die” crap

Is that any worse than the usual Democratic trick of dieing first, then voting?

MarkTheGreat on June 25, 2008 at 3:20 PM

And don’t bother coming back.

wise_man on June 25, 2008 at 3:11 PM

Wasn’t it Jefferson that said something about refreshing the tree of liberty? Perhaps this time the blood will have to flow from the GOP. Your petty ridicule isn’t going to help anything.

I am not a republican, therefore cannot ‘leave’ them, but I certainly understand the widespread disgust.

LimeyGeek on June 25, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Gawd.

I wouldn’t care if I didn’t see another poll from now until after the election.

Or ever, for that matter.

Simply a test for the media to determine if they are manipulating the information they give you properly.

cntrlfrk on June 25, 2008 at 3:21 PM

and a non-vote for McCain is a 1/2 vote for Obama.

kirkill on June 25, 2008 at 3:24 PM

I wouldn’t care if I didn’t see another poll from now until after the election

I laugh when dumbass after dumbass keeps blathering on about “scientific” polls.

Yeah….counting is a real hard science…..

LimeyGeek on June 25, 2008 at 3:25 PM

and a non-vote for McCain is a 1/2 vote for Obama.

kirkill on June 25, 2008 at 3:24 PM

With quality mathematics like this, I’m sure we’ll solve the energy crisis in no time…..

LimeyGeek on June 25, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Gulp.
/Bizzaropundit

Karl on June 25, 2008 at 3:27 PM

hmmm…

you think the media coverage of him has had anything to do with it? or is it the exposure of his lack of experience? maybe his misstatements on everything? or how about the fact that he cannot answer a direct question without coming across like a deer in headlights?

madmonkphotog on June 25, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Your petty ridicule
LimeyGeek on June 25, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Is nothing compared to their petty behavior.

wise_man on June 25, 2008 at 3:27 PM

I just saw McCain at UNLV. He was very good.

Vote McCain. Elect a grown up!

Mojave Mark on June 25, 2008 at 3:27 PM

But. But. George Lucas says that BO is a Jedi!

http://www.examiner.com/blogs-73-Yeas_and_Nays~y2008m6d25-Lucas-Obama-is-a-Jedi

Pulchritudinous Patriot on June 25, 2008 at 3:27 PM

If Obama wins, I’m moving to Poland.™

That’s their schtick, not ours, buttinski.

mymanpotsandpans on June 25, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Yes, against Republicans that McCain polls better than nationally. If Obama’s able to turn out the always-elusive youth vote and the discrepancy reaches 17-points, I’ll eat crow.

amerpundit on June 25, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Next phase of Operation Chaos needs to be the release of the latest version of an uber-popular video game the evening before the election. This would have the “youth vote” either standing in line to buy it, or vegged out in front of the tele playing the silly thing. Alert Karl Rove (that magnificent bastard)!

On a more serious note, I wonder how many of those liberals simply wouldn’t admit that they prefer the “old white guy” to the young minority hipster? Wouldn’t want the pollster to think they were raaaaaaacist, now, would they? Gotta be worth 5 points or better.

iurockhead on June 25, 2008 at 3:32 PM

and a non-vote for McCain is a 1/2 vote for Obama.
kirkill on June 25, 2008 at 3:24 PM

This is now a race between two people. The most votes in each state, the winning states’ popular vote transfers to their electoral votes cast and we decide the president.

If someone lives in a state that has consistently gone democrat, then they could sit back and watch television and it wouldn’t make too much of a difference. In the swing states, then if someone decided not to participate, and hundreds of thousands from the same parry also did the same, then the outcome could very well be tipped the other way.

Actions have consequences. If someone decides not to participate, or votes for the third person in a two man race when they could have made their vote count, then they are just as culpable in the election of Obama as the people who voted for Obama themselves.

wise_man on June 25, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Is nothing compared to their petty behavior.

wise_man on June 25, 2008 at 3:27 PM

I sincerely hope you consider your sense of righteousness as worthwhile.

You may look at people like Ludwig and claim they are betraying this country and handing it to Obama. It could also be said that people like you have betrayed this country by failing to demand excellence and failing to earn political support.

Either way, whining about it is hardly persuasive.

LimeyGeek on June 25, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Bob’s Kid on June 25, 2008 at 3:06 PM

I’m all for making a tax on those that don’t vote. Call it the stupid tax. charge them just enough that it still isn’t “worth” their time to vote. The gov like taxes things we like like beer and cigs let’s start taxing things the majority of people find inconveient

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 3:35 PM

“righteousness”

LOL!

wise_man on June 25, 2008 at 3:36 PM

As the price of gasoline goes up, so will McCain’s numbers. Sooner or later the Obamassiah is going to learn that people vote with their pocket books. His insistance on higher fuel prices isn’t winning him any friends. And those in the North and North East also have winter fuel bills to look forward to.

GarandFan on June 25, 2008 at 3:37 PM

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 3:35 PM

I would like to see the opposite happen – only those that pay federal taxes are allowed to vote in national elections. Ditto for state and local-level elections. No welfare voters.

LimeyGeek on June 25, 2008 at 3:37 PM

wise_man on June 25, 2008 at 3:33 PM

yes but if BHO wins the popular vote but loses the electoral vote then we could be in a serious knock down drawn out fight came nov 5. So by staying home even in democratic states it gives the left ammno.

Plus it isn’t just about the president We have Congress to deal with.

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 3:37 PM

. It could also be said that people like you have betrayed this country by failing to demand excellence and failing to earn political support. LimeyGeek on June 25, 2008 at 3:34 PM

I did my part. I voted against McCain in the republican primary. I am not participating with all the other childish people who are pulling the ‘I didn’t get my way, I’m going to leave now, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!’ BS that they have been doing. It’s time to elect a president. They can sabotage this election for the rest of us at their own peril.

wise_man on June 25, 2008 at 3:38 PM

So by staying home even in democratic states it gives the left ammno. unseen on June 25, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Yes sir. I guess I’ll be casting my vote anyway. My state has gone democrat since … well, forever, I think.

wise_man on June 25, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Now that the race is about even, McCain needs to take charge of this energy crisis and pound Obama back into the woodwork.

petefrt on June 25, 2008 at 3:40 PM

It could also be said that people like you have betrayed this country by failing to demand excellence and failing to earn political support.

It could be said, but it would be inane to say it.

We get one vote – 99.9% of Americans aren’t in any position to demand anything. We actually have lives, actually have to work and don’t devote every waking hour to protest marches or at shrieking at our often worthless representatives.

And even for the very few of us who do, what real difference will it make? Unless you’re a billionaire, politicians don’t listen to individuals or even most groups.

Is McCain my ideal candidate? No. But he’s worlds better than Obama.

Brave Americans died so we can vote for the best candidate out there. This is a pivotal election and I have NO patience for people who think that a vote is something to play games with or to “send messages” with.

If someone thinks Obama is a better candidate then McCain, go for it. But don’t call yourself a “conservative” if you do or if you waste your vote on some idiot clown like Bob Barr or Ron Paul.

NoDonkey on June 25, 2008 at 3:40 PM

And Obama just asked people to send HILLARY money. Heh.

Wethal on June 25, 2008 at 3:41 PM

LimeyGeek on June 25, 2008 at 3:37 PM

That’s a good idea too. in fact that is how the country started they were called landowners than and since the majority of them were white males it quickly was seen as racist. with the diversity we have today the idea might be the best out there.

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 3:41 PM

I’m confused. If this poll uses registered voters, (i.e., the same pool as the MSM polls), why aren’t we seeing the 15 point spreads replicated here?

It is not the same pool. The other MSM pools like to use “likely voters” which means they don’t even have to be registered presently. How they determine of they are “likely voters” is they just asked if the voted in the last 6 elections, not if there are registered now or will vote in the upcoming election.

JeffinSac on June 25, 2008 at 3:41 PM

GarandFan on June 25, 2008 at 3:37 PM

hope for a cold fall. We might be able to pick up NH, and Maine, PA and OH just on the price of heating oil.

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Any statistician will tell you that for it to be legitimate, the sample needs to be both sufficiently random and truly representative of the total population the sample is being taken from. That is why with samples taken from the population of the country you need to have the sample used reflect the breakdown of democrats, republicans, and independents along with whether or not they are likely to vote in the Fall. After that, the key is whether or not the questions are unshaded or worded to illicit a specific response.

Wildcatter1980 on June 25, 2008 at 3:45 PM

wise_man on June 25, 2008 at 3:38 PM

yes I din’t vote for the stooge in the primary either but he won by hook or by crook he won so the choices left to me are BHO and McCain. Niether really appeal to me but I don’t want to give BHO any coattails and congress is the reason I’m voting this time.

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 3:46 PM

Anyone know any more about the Lexington Project McCain is embracing?

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 3:48 PM

But don’t call yourself a “conservative”

I would never dream of doing so – given the associative stink that accompanies the term nowadays. Heck, even all you “conservatives” can’t even agree on a coherent definition.

I don’t view elections as some stupid team sport. I vote for America. If you want my support, you have to earn it. Childish finger-pointing, pouting, whining and shrieking “we’re less shit than the other guy” really doesn’t communicate anything positive about you….quite the opposite, in fact – to follow you is to follow mediocrity and incompetence.

That said, I will still be voting against Obama this time….after much soul-searching. I do not frown upon people like Ludwig, however. I respect their statement.

LimeyGeek on June 25, 2008 at 3:48 PM

This is all I have seen:

MCCAIN: THE LEXINGTON PROJECT
Wed June 25, 2008 12:50:11 ET

In recent days I have set before the American people an energy plan, the Lexington Project Ð named for the town where Americans asserted their independence once before. And let it begin today with this commitment:Ê In a world of hostile and unstable suppliers of oil, this nation will achieve strategic independence by 2025.

This pledge is addressed to all concerned — to those abroad whose power flows from an accident of geology, and to you, my fellow Americans, whose strength proceeds from unity of purpose. Together, we will break the power of OPEC over the United States. And never again will we leave our vital interests at the mercy of any foreign power.

Some will say this goal is unattainable within that relatively short span of years — it’s too hard and we need more time. Let me remind them that in the space of half that time — about eight years — this nation conceived and carried out a plan to take three Americans to the Moon and bring them safely home. In less than a third of that time, the gathered energies of my father’s generation built the industrial might that overcame Nazi Germany and imperial Japan. That is the scale of our achievement when we set our minds to a task. That is what this country can do when we see a danger, and declare a purpose, and find the will to act.

As president, I will turn all the apparatus of government in the direction of energy independence for our country — authorizing new production, building nuclear plants, perfecting clean coal, improving our electricity grid, and supporting all the new technologies that one day will put the age of fossil fuels behind us. Much will be asked of industry as well, as automakers and others adapt to this great turn toward new sources of power. And a great deal will depend on each one of us, as we learn to make smarter use of energy, and also to draw on the best ideas of both parties, and work together for the common good.

This Project is not a plan calibrated to please every interest group or to meet every objection. That is how we arrived to our present predicament. That is how energy policy in Washington became a long list of subjects avoided, options ruled out, and possibilities foreclosed. Nor can I promise you that the long-term success of this Project will bring instant relief.Ê In the mission of energy security, some tasks are the work of decades and some the work of years. And they will take all the will and resolve of which we are capable. But I can promise you this. Unless we begin this mission now, nothing will change at all, except for the worse. And when we succeed in the hard reform ahead, your children will live in a more prosperous country, in a more peaceful world.

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http://www.drudgereport.com/flash6.htm

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 3:48 PM

congress is the reason I’m voting this time.

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 3:46 PM

Congress is the most important factor. The republicans have seriously jeopardized their future there too. Their betrayal of America is profoundly widespread. Perhaps November will prove to be the coup de grace.

LimeyGeek on June 25, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Today’s Rasmussen poll (probably the only other reputable polling firm besides Gallup) still has Obama leading 46-40, or 49-45 if “leaners” are attributed to the candidate toward which they lean. Rasmussen does use a “likely voter” screen, but a smaller sample than Gallup.

McCain needs to keep beating the drilling drum, and he really “nailed it” when answering a hostile questioner yesterday in CA, by saying that France gets 80% of its electricity from nuclear power, and the US Navy has 60 floating nuclear reactors, none of which have ever had an accident. When it comes to the US Navy, most people would trust McCain over Obama any day!

On the port side, Obama’s gaffe-du-jour continued, when he decided to pick a fight with Dr. James Dobson about the Bible. Dobson has a huge following, and his own radio show on hundreds of Christian radio stations in swing states, including Colorado, and he could clean Obama’s clock in a debate on religious issues. Dobson was never fond of McCain, but if Obama wants to argue religion with him, Dobson’s followers will vote for McCain in droves as the not-Obama. Obama’s criticism of Dobson is like poking a hornet’s nest, and Obama will quickly be stung!

Steve Z on June 25, 2008 at 3:52 PM

LimeyGeek on June 25, 2008 at 3:51 PM

perhaps but the primary defeat in UT of a six term congressman by an unknown conservative gives me hope.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/25/shamnesty-republican-chris-cannon-defeated-in-utah-primary/

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 3:52 PM

I vote for America.

So do I, which is why I vote AGAINST every Democrat on the ballot. There isn’t a Democrat in Congress who isn’t corrupt, treasonous, amoral, cretinous scum, in my opinion.

The GOP is simply the only party fielding candidates capable of beating Democrats.

And we don’t have time for silly schemes, like building a spanking new GOP or a third party.

My party platform is the defeat and if possible, the prosecution and jailing of all Congressional Democrats, including BHO.

I don’t respect “statements”. I respect action and the most forceful and positive action the vast majority of Americans can take this fall is to vote against Democrats and specifically against Obama.

NoDonkey on June 25, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Steve Z on June 25, 2008 at 3:52 PM

yes it was a fight best left not fought. BHO by bringing religion into the equation not only shows his lack of understanding but also reminds people of his pastors and his church.

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 3:55 PM

unseen on June 25, 2008 at 3:52 PM

The unprecedented level of success for the libertarian views of Ron Paul give me some hope too.

LimeyGeek on June 25, 2008 at 3:55 PM

No way! The LA Times and Newsweek have The Messiah leading McCain by 350 million percent! It’s a scientific fact! This story is a neocon lie!

Django on June 25, 2008 at 3:58 PM

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