Tancredo sends letter to McCain on immigration: Repent

posted at 2:05 pm on June 24, 2008 by Allahpundit

Tancelot, they call him.

Tancredo asks if promises made by McCain earlier in the presidential campaign to hold off on giving longtime illegal immigrants a “pathway to citizenship” until after the borders were secured were any more than lip service, and wonders whether the presumptive Republican nominee’s candidacy is a Trojan horse for amnesty.

“Senator, given your past sponsorship of amnesty legislation, such statements raise troubling questions. Are you planning to break a promise you made in February to postpone all other immigration reform legislation until we have first secured our borders?” writes Tancredo, who goes on to ask McCain to use an upcoming speech to the pro-pathway to citizenship National Council of La Raza in San Diego to embrace a “security first” immigration approach.

“I challenge you to deliver a message to that assembly which does not pander to their amnesty agenda. You should speak to the La Raza convention and to all Hispanic audiences about America’s need for secure borders as a priority above all other immigration reforms,” Tancredo said…

“Giving Americans “Straight Talk” –- telling them what they need to hear instead of what they want to hear – demonstrates leadership, and as you have correctly pointed out many times in the past, that is what America needs now more than ever,” he said.

The catalyst for this, according to ABC, was Maverick’s alleged sellout last week at the meeting Rosanna Pulido attended, but I can’t find a copy of the letter at Tancredo’s website to confirm. Mind you, McCain’s still technically taking a “borders first” position, but either he thinks that the border’s already secure or that it will be secure by next January because he’s already talking about pushing comprehensive reform back on Congress’s plate the day after the inauguration per his interview with Diario Libre. To put it all in context, here’s what he was saying back on January 30 at the Reagan Library:

It’s silly to keep hammering him on this since he’s not going to change, even if you believe (inexplicably) that he wants to. That being so, is it even worth bringing up anymore? Tancredo will accomplish nothing here and the boss is hinting darkly at Maverick being “un-fixable” and “fundamentally flawed” and conservatives needing to “reconcile themselves” to that fact. Exit question: Second look at staying home? Or are people waiting for that until Tancelot inevitably withdraws his support for McCain’s candidacy?


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No, can’t stay home, security is too big an issue. Must choose worse over worst. The boss has some nose plugs over at her site for you.

infidel2 on June 24, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Palin sends a letter to Harry “The Body” Reid.

Tanc sends a letter to Mav.

Hopefully, these letters get the ball moving on stuff, but who has all this time to send letters? Doesn’t anyone know about email?

/sarc

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 24, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Exit question: Second look at staying home?

With Iran possibly getting a bomb within 6 months to a year? Not a shot in bloody hell.

amerpundit on June 24, 2008 at 2:11 PM

I challenge you to deliver a message to that assembly which does not pander to their amnesty agenda. You should speak to the La Raza convention and to all Hispanic audiences about America’s need for secure borders as a priority above all other immigration reforms,” Tancredo

This is why we Love-Ya Tanc !!

Maxx on June 24, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Tancre-who?

LimeyGeek on June 24, 2008 at 2:14 PM

No, can’t stay home, security is too big an issue. Must choose worse over worst. The boss has some nose plugs over at her site for you.

infidel2 on June 24, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Yup. Like it or not, I have to go with McCain despite this BS. Obama’s immigration plan (if he has one) is assuredly more liberal and extreme than the Mav’s. What’s the story on that scumbag Hernandez? Is he still advising McCain?

NTWR on June 24, 2008 at 2:15 PM

McCain/Tancredo ’08!

Akzed on June 24, 2008 at 2:16 PM

second look at pitchforks and torches?

Or

tar and feathers?

unseen on June 24, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Yep, drive the train off the cliff at 30 MPH is going to be somehow less painful than at 90 MPH.

kirkill on June 24, 2008 at 2:18 PM

It’s unfortunate that McCain’s good friend in the Senate has misconstrued his remarks from last February. This is not the honorable, respectful discussion McCain wants to see as part of the campaign.

I can’t want to hear the LaRaza speech. If Hillary’s first big mistake was her position on driver’s licenses for illegals, then what has McCain set himself up for?

BigD on June 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Oh I won’t stay home, but you can’t make me or guilt me into voting for someone I don’t trust.

MNDavenotPC on June 24, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Exit question: Second look at staying home?

I kinda wonder if Michelle’s point isn’t about staying home but just about acknowledging the truth, which is that we have a flawed candidate. People need to either accept that and move on, or accept that and get on board.

Things like this letter where we try to kid ourselves that he can change, as you said, aren’t helping anything.

Esthier on June 24, 2008 at 2:30 PM

What’s the story on that scumbag Hernandez? Is he still advising McCain?

NTWR on June 24, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Why wouldn’t he be? He’s perfect for McCain.

Esthier on June 24, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Seventh Look at Fred Dalton Thompson. “High walls and wide gates.” Can anyone else put the will of America into 5 words or less?

VolMagic on June 24, 2008 at 2:32 PM

second look at pitchforks and torches?

Or

tar and feathers?

unseen on June 24, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Now we’re talking.

McCain will not give Tancredo a straight answer on this. He will utter some dribble about “comprehensive immigration reform” and for any of us who have been paying attention to McCain we know all too well that:

Comprehensive = Amnesty

Zetterson on June 24, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Oh I won’t stay home, but you can’t make me or guilt me into voting for someone I don’t trust.

MNDavenotPC on June 24, 2008 at 2:26 PM

DITTO!!

landlines on June 24, 2008 at 2:34 PM

I’ve noticed McCain’s version of a secured border relies very heavily on everything but an Israeli type wall. He’s playing word games. To most of us, a secured border means some type of physically inpenetrable barrier as the main component. Listen to what he says when he talks about securing the border,…his emphasis is on everything but that. You just know in his speech to La Raza he’ll mention something about border security, but it won’t be emphasized.
He’s slanting his presentations according to audience, just like Obama.

a capella on June 24, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Tom Tancredo: Senator McCain, can we get you, if you become President, to promise to put a real fence along the border with Mexico rather than just some phony so called “virtual fence”? And a follow up question sir, if so what will the physical fence look like?
John McCain: That is a very good question Tom and yes when I become el Presidente I will put up a physical fence. What will it look like Tom? Well I will tell you what it will look like Tom. It will run the full length of the border and have special security gates every 100 feet.
All the security gates will have on them:
1) Press one for Spanish (with a response of “Welcome Amigo, my country is your country and please take a free map to the wonderful plantation owner employer of your choice. Also please feel free to enroll you children in our schools and demand that they be taught in Spanish and please also feel free to avail yourself of all the free medical care that you want.”).
2) Press two for English (with a response of “Go to Inferno you damned bigoted nativist lazy madre fornicario gringo Tancredoites who do not want what is right for America del Norte!!!”).

MB4 on June 24, 2008 at 2:42 PM

This is such a hot issue that Tancredo got what, 2% of the vote?

Couple that with Hunter and you get what, 4%?

This issue is going NOWHERE and it’s a complete waste of time to continue to push it this election cycle.

NoDonkey on June 24, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Exit question: Second look at staying home?

I took a second look, saw Barry standing there, and now I’m back here. No thank you!

With Iran possibly getting a bomb within 6 months to a year? Not a shot in bloody hell.

amerpundit on June 24, 2008 at 2:11 PM

That’s really the only argument we need. We don’t even need to bring up the other issues Obama is worse than McCain on (like health care, gas taxes, etc). Just keep repeating this until the trolls go home.

malan89 on June 24, 2008 at 2:46 PM

The sooner the schmucks in the RNC realize that they have a problem with this candidate, the sooner the pressure on McCain will come. They are the source of his campaign funds right now. He sure isn’t kicking the eeeeevil 527′s now that he realizes that he screwed the pooch with us once-generous conservatives and he needs to have some kind of balls with the hardcore ads from that crew.

He’s no maverick, he’s a lying panderer. And he has bold-faced lied to the base of the Republican party on critical issues without even a thought or a care as to the results.
Doesn’t he know what the Hitler-like political philosophy of La Raza is? Or, more to the point, doesn’t he care?

Typical McCain. Instead of letting Obama speak to La Raza by himself and then garner a few million votes by pounding on that issue, he shows up like Obama’s puppy dog to muddy the waters.
Fricking idiot.

Instead of drill drill drill, he protects his insane vote on ANWR (he was THE deciding vote NOT to drill it) with a bogus outer continental shelf plan that simply gives California the power to veto any offshore drilling ever.
That was just a ruse, and Florida (ie: the Destin Dome) has been a boondoggle. We KNOW there are huge fields right off California. Well, Ahnold will veto that!

Thank G-d for Palin, Imhofe and a few other smart people in the party.

If ANWR’s off the table, then it’s all crap.
You can’t stick your 2033 Nuclear reactor onto your car and drive it to the next county. Or stick a wind turbine beanie on your head and light your home. Or crunch and heat 10 million tons of obdurate oil shale(MUCH crappier low-grade stuff than Canada’s wonderful tar sands) to get a relative skim of extremely expensive oil. Or burn our food crops and starve the entire third world to buy votes.
You need the drill the crap out of ANWR and get 1.5 millon wonderful barrels of American oil (almost 1/3 of our entire national production) per day flowing down to Valdez. And think to the help to our balance of trade.

And don’t tell me about the “zillion-barrel” Bakken. I’m up in the Bakken. Most of it is pretty marginal, believe me.

Americans like clear-eyed objectives and visions. McCain’s seem to have cataracts.

And you can’t gild this dried-out turd of a “candidate”.
Sorry.

And if that’s a traitorous statement as a long-time Republican, well, as my grandmother used to say – ‘kush mir im tuchis’!

TexasJew on June 24, 2008 at 2:48 PM

NTWR on June 24, 2008 at 2:15 PM

If this whole immigration thing is BS (as you say), then why care if Hernandez is advising McCain?

amerpundit on June 24, 2008 at 2:11 PM

And when Iran gets that bomb they’ll have the entire unsecure border to bring it right through…

catmman on June 24, 2008 at 3:00 PM

This issue is going NOWHERE and it’s a complete waste of time to continue to push it this election cycle.

NoDonkey on June 24, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Finally a reasonable Gringo. You will go far for a Gringo anyway under our new Pax Mexicano.

VinyFoxy on June 24, 2008 at 3:01 PM

McCain clearly hasn’t gotten the message on illegal immigration, but quite a few Congresspeople have. McCain can pander to LaRaza and talk about immediately pushing for “comprehensive reform” (i.e. amnesty) all he wants, but that’s not going to get an amnesty bill through Congress. They know where the public is on this issue, and they’re not going to damage their own chances for re-election by voting for another amnesty bill, no matter what McCain says.

AZCoyote on June 24, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Answer to Exit Question: McCain is better than any socialist “paradise” (read: Inferno).

Sir Andrew on June 24, 2008 at 3:06 PM

as my grandmother used to say – ‘kush mir im tuchis’ Kiss my grits!

TexasJew on June 24, 2008 at 2:48 PM

MB4 on June 24, 2008 at 3:07 PM

Security is important.Like the security one should have in their own country of being,robbed,raped,beaten molested or murdered by illegal aliens some who have been deported numerous times.McCain lied in the primary saying he got the message and would secure the border first.McCain is a open borders amnesty peddler pure and simple.He’s also going to lose this Fall unless Messiah has more radicals or skeletons come out of the closet.Many have stated and I happen to agree with that amnesty would be easy to defeat if Obama wins,depending of course on how many seats the dems pick up.One things for sure no matter who wins the Wall Street Journal and that crew will spin it to say illegal immigration and Comprehensive Immigration Reform is why someone won or lost.

PTN 39 on June 24, 2008 at 3:13 PM

MB4 on June 24, 2008 at 3:07 PM

Thanks for translating!

TexasJew on June 24, 2008 at 3:15 PM

This is such a hot issue that Tancredo got what, 2% of the vote?

Couple that with Hunter and you get what, 4%?

This issue is going NOWHERE and it’s a complete waste of time to continue to push it this election cycle.

NoDonkey on June 24, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Hey, its funny you say that because you know what this issue will determine? My vote.

McCain lied to the voters and spewed a bunch of crap about “having got the message.” Tell me NoDonkey, why did he feel it necessary to make such a statement assuming this issue is as inconsequential as you say it is? Here let me help you out a little bit (Zetterson takes NoDonkey by the hand and sits him/her down. Looks him/her in the eyes and tells him/her), McCain lied in order to get elected. Now is when he does what he does best… stab conservatives in the back.

Zetterson on June 24, 2008 at 3:23 PM

I think AllahPundit is torn between his dislike for McCain and his dislike for Tancredo.

After all, Tancredo is only saying what this site says on a regular basis.

It’s silly to keep hammering him on this since he’s not going to change

Debatable. But an odd comment in any case coming from the HA/MM combine.

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 3:24 PM

It’s silly to keep hammering him on this since he’s not going to change

McCain has flipped-flopped on a wide range of issues, so it’s reasonable to think that he might do the same here if pressure is applied.

And if he does not – we’re screwed. That’s the point that the McCain supporters never address. It’s not some trivial and inconsequental issue. It’s the whole ball game.

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 3:30 PM

How many in this room have ever voted for McCain, anytime?

Thats why he doesn’t give a crap about what we have to say now and his policies are why none of us have ever voted for him.

Rest assured I will vote against communism and I will not be voting for even the slightest hint of a reward for any illegal behavior.

John McCain should not under any circumstances believe that if he wins that means he has any kind of mandate for his policies.

America will be sitting by the phone, watching, John.

Speakup on June 24, 2008 at 3:31 PM

With Iran possibly getting a bomb within 6 months to a year?

Lots of countries have the bomb. Pakistan, for instance. And more are getting it all the time. That’s an odd basis to vote on.

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 3:32 PM

John McCain should not under any circumstances believe that if he wins that means he has any kind of mandate for his policies.

He already believes that. Getting elected president will only further cement the idea in his mind.

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 3:33 PM

This issue is going NOWHERE and it’s a complete waste of time to continue to push it this election cycle.

NoDonkey on June 24, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Well, we can go back and see that it did not help Hillary after she said she supported Eliot Spitzer’s program to give driver’s licenses to illegals.

But then again, we don’t have Tim Russert anymore.

BigD on June 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM

. Must choose worse over worst

this is like choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea…

right4life on June 24, 2008 at 3:38 PM

This issue is going NOWHERE and it’s a complete waste of time to continue to push it this election cycle.

You might want to tell John McCain that, since he’s making it the centerpiece of his pander to Hispanics. Without the slightest success, I might add.

If he’s going to sell the country out I wish he was at least doing it for some tangible reason, like the Democrats are doing. But he’s doing it because he’s an ideologue.

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 3:39 PM

McCain has flipped-flopped on a wide range of issues, so it’s reasonable to think that he might do the same here if pressure is applied.

And if he does not – we’re screwed. That’s the point that the McCain supporters never address. It’s not some trivial and inconsequental issue. It’s the whole ball game.

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 3:30 PM

That is a good point flenser but there is just one problem. McCain’s name has become so synonymous with this issue (his name is litterally on the Amnesty bill with none other than Teddy Kennedy) that he cannot possibly win over the trust of Conservatives on this. At this point he can say all the words he wants but to us, talk is cheap. He has lied to us before and he will lie to us again. He tried to jam this down our throats once and he will try to jam this down our throats again. So again, he can say what he wants and our only response will be, “prove it.” He can’t prove it. We no longer have any reason to believe a word he says.

Zetterson on June 24, 2008 at 3:39 PM

America will be sitting by the phone, watching, John.

Speakup on June 24, 2008 at 3:31 PM

So that he can ignore phone calls too? You’re right to say he doesn’t listen to us. Getting the White House probably won’t change that.

Esthier on June 24, 2008 at 3:45 PM

TexasJew on June 24, 2008 at 2:48 PM

I agree 100% TexasJew. Very well said.

Zetterson on June 24, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Hey, its funny you say that because you know what this issue will determine? My vote.

Wow, you and .5% of America care that much about this issue.

Maybe instead of sitting at home or casting your vote for some jagoff like Bob Paul or Ron Barr, you and that .5% can do something useful like building a human pyramid on the M-exas border.

NoDonkey on June 24, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Conservatives are like battered wives. No matter how many times we’re attacked/betrayed by the Republican party, we always come back thinking “things will be different this time”.

Second look at a second armed revolution!!

DwnSouthJukin on June 24, 2008 at 3:49 PM

McCain is worse than “fundamentally flawed” in the political sense. There has always been something very wrong with his character, which is one of extreme “me-first-and-only” self-entitlement. He was wrongfully admitted to the Naval Academy with bad grades ahead of more qualified applicants because his daddy and granddaddy were admirals. Rules that apply to ordinary people don’t apply to him. He thumbed his nose at Annapolis because he couldn’t be kicked out or flunked out, because he was JOHN MCCAIN, son and grandson of ADMIRALS. He ignored orders and crarshed planes, because he couldn’t be disciplined as the son and grandson of admirals. He ditched the wife who stood by him, when he wanted a rich blonde chick young enough to be his daughter, who could finance his political ambition. He was caught taking bribes to his wife from the Keating 5, so tried to cover his tracks by imposing the McCain-Feingold nonsense on everyone else (laws only apply to everyone else, not JOHN MCCAIN). He entertained a blonde lobbyist in ways that worried his staff, and improperly pressured the FCC for her in exchange for …., because he is JOHN MCCAIN!!!!!!. He yells obscenities at other senators who questioned ramming his McCain-Kennedy amnesty through the Senate in the dead of night without debate, and screams he knows more about it than anyone else – because he is JOHN MCCAIN, a legend in his own mind !!!!!! He has secret “no press allowed meetings to praise Mexico as our dearest friend and closest neighbor, calling enforcement of the laws “Rhetoric”. As president, McCain try to rule by fiat and would make Hugo Chavez look like George Washington. Like the Alice in Wonderland Queen of Hearts, if any GOP congress critter disagreed with him as president -> “OFF WITH HIS HEAD- I’m JOHN MCCAIN, KING OF THE UNIVERSE”

There has always been something consistently very wrong with McCain’s character. Through it all, this lying unreliable self-aggrandizing megalomaniac poses as a “straight talker”, and is so sick, he probably believes it himself, because he is JOHN MCCAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!, son and grandson of ADMIRALS.

- JAM

MB4 on June 24, 2008 at 3:59 PM

Wow, you and .5% of America care that much about this issue.

Maybe instead of sitting at home or casting your vote for some jagoff like Bob Paul or Ron Barr, you and that .5% can do something useful like building a human pyramid on the M-exas border.

NoDonkey on June 24, 2008 at 3:47 PM

NoDonkey, if the issue is so inconsequential why did they have to attempt to jam it down our throats against the will of the people? Have you reviewed a poll regarding this issue.

Let me put it to you this way Donkey, if McCain wasn’t a moron siding with Ted Kennedy on Amnesty he would, right now as we speak, be enjoying overwealming support by Conservatives. He’s not. This issue is why he’s not. And he won’t. Does he need us to win? I suppose we shall find out.

And you still have not answered my question Donkey which did not surprise me one bit. I’ll ask again (probably in vain). If this issue is so inconsequential why did McCain find it necessary in the primary to lie to you and tell you that he “has got the message?”

Because, I know you are a little slow so I’m going to be nice and walk you through this. If, as you say, this issue was inconsequential ipso facto McCain would have had no reason to lie. Got it? Buuuuuuuuut, he did lie. Those words did slither out of his mouth like a snake’s slimy tongue through old yellow teeth. But whatever for Donkey? Inconsequential issues are nothing to lie about in order to get elected. So Donkey, why did he lie?

Zetterson on June 24, 2008 at 4:01 PM

By the way, I live 45 miles to the north of the border above San Diego, and I can tell you, the border is NOT secure………..

Imagine if Iran was our southern “neighbor”……… what do you think the conversation would be?

Seven Percent Solution on June 24, 2008 at 4:02 PM

How many in this room have ever voted for McCain, anytime?

Speakup on June 24, 2008 at 3:31 PM

I did in 2000 in the primary.

I am trying now to make amends for my previous misjudgment.

MB4 on June 24, 2008 at 4:04 PM

NoDonkey on June 24, 2008 at 2:46 PM

You relay the first 6% of the primary story. Don’t stop there and pretend that everyone else in the GOP was bored or pro-amnesty. Thompson & Romney both were strongly against legalizing illegal aliens. Rudy tried to divert the question by answering on the line of BORDER SECURITY by all means necessary before ever dealing with the any reform. Only McCain has a problem with the party platform. Yes, we are stuck with him now. All the more reason to pressure him to reiterate his compliance with the Constitution as it reads and as POTUS to keep his dirty fingers out of the citizenship pudding.

Again, I express my disgust with McCain for beginning his motto with ‘REFORM‘-peace-prosperity. What a jerk.

maverick muse on June 24, 2008 at 4:04 PM

I love it. All you wanna-be conservatives that voted for this man shall be eating loads of humble-pie. Barrack should be easily beatable but as much as the Dems do to ruin their assured win, the Repubs still love to out do the Dems at their own game. If you don’t know what the Dems game is, it’s stupidity.

We’re gonna get McGovern Strong/Carter Strong or Al Gore Light/Liebermann Strong no matter what, come this new year. Suck it up people. We have to bunker down for a very long four years either way.

Sultry Beauty on June 24, 2008 at 4:05 PM

AZCoyote on June 24, 2008 at 3:04 PM
I hope that you are correct. It would seem that if elected, the opposition (both sides but ubertards in particular) will have no reason to support his pet domestic projects. Why would the left want to give McCain credit for anything? They want all the glory for themselves when victory triumphs to ransack our home. So maybe, even if he tries, he will fail to succeed with illegal-reform.

maverick muse on June 24, 2008 at 4:15 PM

I’m fine with an amnesty law ONLY IF Washington ignores it and refuses to enforce it just like present immigration law. Of course, the creeps in DC first need to convince me that they can be trusted. So, maybe if they come back in a generation or two we might have developed some common ground. In the mean time, I’ll limit my contacts with the bunch of dishonest backstabbers.

snaggletoothie on June 24, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Don’t stop there and pretend that everyone else in the GOP was bored or pro-amnesty.

It was such a hot issue that the candidate least palatable to border fence fanatics, easily won the nomination.

Just shows the power of this issue.

And don’t give me the “Democrats voted in our primary” nonsense – if a relevant percentage of the base actually cared about this issue, McCain couldn’t have possibly been the nominee. Face it.

I’m actually sympathetic to many of your sentiments, but I think it’s ridiculous to sit out the election or vote for Obama, for an irrelevant issue that far too few Americans seem to care about to matter.

Just because a few people want immigration to be an major issue, doesn’t make it so.

NoDonkey on June 24, 2008 at 4:23 PM

I’ll reconcile nothing, ever!

Don’t talk about security either when McAmnesty will allow one and all to enter the country with impunity.

voiceofreason on June 24, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Yep, drive the train off the cliff at 30 MPH is going to be somehow less painful than at 90 MPH.

kirkill on June 24, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Great analogy!

VikingGoneWild on June 24, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Just because a few people want immigration to be an major issue, doesn’t make it so.

NoDonkey on June 24, 2008 at 4:23 PM

It’s such a minor issue that McCain felt the need to spin and flip-flop about it while running in the primaries? Remember his “I got the message”, “secure the border first”, and his contention that it wouldn’t come up again since it was defeated? Why not just stick with his origninal pro-amnesty stance if it wasn’t a major issue to all but a few people?

Hollowpoint on June 24, 2008 at 4:42 PM

NoDonkey
Just because you don’t want amnesty to be an issue doesn’t make it a nonissue.

snaggletoothie on June 24, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Seventh Look at Fred Dalton Thompson. “High walls and wide gates.” Can anyone else put the will of America into 5 words or less?

VolMagic on June 24, 2008 at 2:32 PM

I can……….. Throw Them Out!!!!!!! That only took 3

Joey1974 on June 24, 2008 at 4:49 PM

It’s such a minor issue that McCain felt the need to spin and flip-flop about it while running in the primaries? Remember his “I got the message”, “secure the border first”, and his contention that it wouldn’t come up again since it was defeated? Why not just stick with his origninal pro-amnesty stance if it wasn’t a major issue to all but a few people?

Hollowpoint on June 24, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Don’t bother Hollowpoint. I’ve posed this question to Donkey twice now and he’s ignored it 100% of the time. He can’t answer this so he won’t.

Zetterson on June 24, 2008 at 4:58 PM

When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

MCPO Airdale on June 24, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Maybe instead of sitting at home or casting your vote for some jagoff like Bob Paul or Ron Barr, you and that .5% can do something useful like building a human pyramid on the M-exas border.

The deep, deep thoughts of a liberal Republican.

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 5:01 PM

I think it’s ridiculous to sit out the election or vote for Obama, for an irrelevant issue that far too few Americans seem to care about to matter.

I have no idea how many Americans care about the issue, but whether it matters or not has nothing to do with their number.

Whenever I ask the Republican who don’t care about this issue what they expect the political effects of tens of millions of new Democratic voters to be, I get ………………… silence.

Whenever I ask them if they understand that our open borders policy makes Obama style policies inevitable, either this year or in the future, I get ……………… silence.

I don’t know, maybe Republicans are stupid.

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Hmmmm… A Republican asking a “republican” to protect America first?

What a novel idea.

madmonkphotog on June 24, 2008 at 6:02 PM

NoDonkey on June 24, 2008 at 2:46 PM

What that tells me is that 4% of our non-immigrant population as been personally or closely affected by the unchecked invasion. Wait until it affects you or someone close to you personally and I bet you whistle a different tune. How many additional Robberies, rapes, DUI smash-ups/hit-and-runs, or how much more free eduction, or free emergency medical, or non-tax paying, or free social service dollars given, have to occur before people like you pull your head out of the sand and come to grips with the second biggest issue of our time (the first being terrorism, and third being the economy…which some would argue is heavily and directly related to the immigration issue)!!!???????

RedLizard64 on June 24, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Tancredo, Hunter and FDT ran absolute lousy campaigns. They all tried go the conventional/traditional route. Get behind the podium when told to. Speak when spoken to. Get in a bus and travel the back roads of Iowa, NH and S. Carolina when told to. Losers all 3. They allowed themselves to be used and manipulated by the GOP Hierarchy, of which they all continue, to this day, to remain attached at the hip with. [I'm convinced that Rich Galen was working for McCain and the GOP long before FDT dropped from the race. He led Fred off into some obscure bus tour bog purposefully to get him off of the national stage. A saboteur, he is.]
Don’t get me wrong, I love and respect all 3 of these guys – especially the Tanc. But they all went to a gun fight carrying knives. Guaranteed loss. I can’t help believe that they simply ran for President because the title “former Presidential Candidate” would look good on their resume.
Tom, you’re going to have to do more than this to regain my respect, dude. DD

Darvin Dowdy on June 24, 2008 at 10:13 PM

McCain is a traitor to the sovereignty of this country. I won’t vote for him, regardless of the consequences. I’m done voting for the lesser of evils. I’ve finally realized that, there are indeed, absolutes for which one must take a stand. Just because somebody isn’t as bad as somebody else, doesn’t buy them an indulgence for being bad in the first place. The thought of his smarmy mug beaming at Cindy, while raising a hand to take the oath of orifice, is just too much to stomach.

Sorry Juan, you can douse yourself with all the cologne in the world, but still smell like colon.

realitycheck on June 25, 2008 at 12:12 AM

It’s silly to keep hammering him on this since he’s not going to change

It may be silly, but it’s a lot of fun. I don’t get any royalties for my two hit songs ‘Backdoor John’ and ‘Che Guevara Beret’ but I do so enjoy singing them.
As so many of the cheerleader brown shirt wannabes like to bleat, McCain is the candidate. Nothing I can do to change that; so I might as well caterwaul and make as many of his supporters as miserable as I possibly can. I may be unrepresented for the next 4-8 years, but I’m not doing it quietly.

Yep, drive the train off the cliff at 30 MPH is going to be somehow less painful than at 90 MPH.

Nicely said. My analogy to one of the cheerleaders yesterday was: if you’re being hit across the nose with a broom handle, your first thought isn’t going to be ‘Gee, this is so much better than being face down in an ant hill.’ But so many of them want to believe…I don’t know if it’s hero worship; or some kind of need to believe that ‘your guy’ is the ‘good guy’. I feel like Roddy Piper in They Live..and nobody will put the damn sunglasses on…that fight scene with Keith David RULED!

austinnelly on June 25, 2008 at 1:37 AM

What we have to keep in mind is that elections have consequences. Even if you, like me, think of the presidential election as a choice between the lesser of two evils, you still have look at the rest of the Congressional candidates and vote for the more conservative of your choices. If, for example, the Democrats do not gain or maintain majorities in the House and Senate, then there is hope that between either a deadlocked or a more conservative leaning of one or both legislative bodies will prevent the enactment of leftist policies.

Wildcatter1980 on June 25, 2008 at 11:33 AM