abcurtis on June 25, 2008 at 9:14 AM

This website was developed for people who think as you do.

However, we should be clear: there is nothing wrong with being a Muslim in America.

There will be plenty of people here disagreeing with you. To many, any Muslim represents a threat.

I agree with Ed. In this country every person is guaranteed the right to worship however he sees fit. If he wants to worship Allah, that’s his business. But whatever religion you are, dont go around killing people with home made bombs or driving airplanes into buildings. Then it becomes a personal matter.

Now THAT’s a contradiction in terms.

However, we should be clear: there is nothing wrong with being a Muslim in America.

There is something very wrong with being a muslim (follower of the koran and mohammad) anywhere.

Just as with being Jewish, Christian, Ba’hai, Buddhist, Hindu, or atheist, personal faith doesn’t matter as long as one isn’t seeking the overthrow of the government.

But islam calls for the overthrow of any non muslim government.

Pusillanimous.

Ed … one of my favorite words. I always look for the right opportunity to use it. This context is perfect as it describes Obambi perfectly.

That’s because 5-year-olds will repeat whatever you tell them. Not because he’s a Muslim. A lot of people are going to take it the wrong way, but that’s not a good reason to refuse to report the truth.

Now Americans have to be protected from the scary truth about Barack Obama? You know even if the newspapers and Matt Drudge don’t have the balls to break this story, a 527 will.

So either he is an apostate (and yes, most of us here know what the ramifications of that status within Islam are, or else he is practicing a very refined form of taqiyya.

Guilt by association? Perhaps, but it is quite telling that so many people in Muslim countries see Obama as a Muslim.

Obama running from Muslims?

IMO, Hussein’s running from Muslims is a minor issue.

More importantly, and Constitutionally, I believe he owes America a legitimate copy of a valid birth certificate. So far he has skirted this issue. He’s either a true American citizen, or a fraud. As of date, the latter is winning.

Try and walk up to random people on the street and convince them that Obama is a Marxist. You will appear unhinged and people will laugh at you. It’s not a political thing. Its a common sense thing.

crr6 on June 24, 2008 at 10:40 PM

“Random people on the street” don’t know the earth revolves around the sun, nevertheless the difference from one political philosophy from another. “Common sense” doesn’t educate anyone on the principles of Marxism. Obviously it failed you.

Your open heart for Muslims is noble but misplaced. You do not know the structure and burdens placed on practicing Muslims if they are sincere to their faiths commands and dictates. Apostates in Islam are under the treat of death by all “good” Muslims. Many apostates do not advertise their status for fear of reprisal from a more ardent Muslim.

Islam views Obama as a quasi-Muslim keeping a low profile about his background until elected. But if Obama humiliates them (not hard to do) and they turn on him widely, well there may be a serious problem from your Muslim friends who actually practice Islam.

A few possibilities for the so-called laugh:
1. You lied.
2. Laughing AT you, not with you.
3. Friends = uninformed idiot libs/”moderates”.
4. Nervous laughter due to being exposed.

nottakingsides on June 24, 2008 at 9:55 PM

Try and walk up to random people on the street and convince them that Obama is a Marxist. You will appear unhinged and people will laugh at you. It’s not a political thing. Its a common sense thing.

However, we should be clear: there is nothing wrong with being a Muslim in America. Just as with being Jewish, Christian, Ba’hai, Buddhist, Hindu, or atheist, personal faith doesn’t matter as long as one isn’t seeking the overthrow of the government. It’s a matter of personal choice. In America, all but the fringe understand this.

Yet according to the FBI the Muslim Brotherhood are attempting to do just that (i.e. the overthrow of the government).

Are the Federal Bureau of Investigation the fringe?

There will be plenty of people here disagreeing with you.

I don’t know how many commenters here are FBI agents.

Or is it just bigots who object to jihad?

When I see women in the hijab, I am, well, discomforted let’s just say. Not because of the cloth itself of course, but for what it stands for and means in the context of contemporary America. When I meet these women on occasion, I am polite but quiet. I usually step away at the first opportunity to avoid any possible misunderstanding or confrontation. It’s not a keppah or a hat or a harmless scarf. It’s a symbol of a religious/political supremests ideology.

Can you blame BHO? As soon as he appears with some local imam, the blogs will dig up dirt on the guy and Barry will be back into the denial game. In fact, didn’t you guys dig up something on one or both of those complaining women? A long history of anti-Jewish statements or an affiliation with suspected groups or something? From Barry’s perspective, why take the risk?

However, we should be clear…

There’s that royal “we” again.

Really? I actually emailed the thread to some friends to show how unhinged some on the far right can be. They had a good laugh.

crr6 on June 24, 2008 at 7:48 PM

A few possibilities for the so-called laugh:
1. You lied.
2. Laughing AT you, not with you.
3. Friends = uninformed idiot libs/”moderates”.
4. Nervous laughter due to being exposed.

If a Muslim president ever were to be elected, they could be a shining beacon to the rest of the Muslim world.

crr6 on June 24, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Read the koran. Democracy is incompatible with islam.
Like oil and water.

jerrytbg on June 24, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Try to think of two documents that are more antithetical to each other than the U.S. Constitution and the Koran.

Try to think of individuals who were more antithetical to each other than the founding fathers of the United States of America and the founding father of Islam.

And Obama continues to show that he really is no leader at all.

Obama is a very articulate, very intelligent, Harvard law graduate, who is extraordinarily [well I don't think that I would go quite that far] smart, and he’s not going to come across in a debate like some guy who’s dopey. He’s going to come across as fully prepared. He knows how to study all this stuff. He has the military advisers. However, the problem with Obama is he’s wrong. It’s not that he’s inexperienced. It’s that his policies are wrong [of course most of McCain's policies are wrong too].
- Newt Gingrich

Read the koran. Democracy is incompatible with islam.
Like oil and water.

Our smart and curageous leftie friend, and I mean this sincerely, this sentence could so easily be turned. I sure hope that you see that, and how we feel, most of the time. Hypocrisy and demagoguery don’t have a hold of just one ideology.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 8:50 PM

I absolutely agree. That’s why I included Obama in that sentence you quoted.

I guess I’m just one of those bigoted souls, as I would have a problem electing a praticing Muslim as president of the US. I wouldn’t have prior to Sept. 11th. But then Sept 11th happened and we saw celebration across the Muslim world. Then the “peaceful” Muslims in the West set about trying to censor any criticism of their prophet. Freedom of the speech, we were told, needed to yield to the feelings of the Muslim street. Now our economy, which had begun to recover despite so many problems in the capital markets, is brought to its knees because of a thuggish cartel dominated by various muslim theocracies, and our supposed “friends” the Saudi’s take a bunch of meaningless half measures. It’s too much. The Muslim world and the Muslim faith has to prove itself capable of accepting rational thinking and classical liberalism before I would ever consider voting for Muslim to be the president. Maybe it will happen in future. Maybe Muslims will cease trying to foist Sharia upon the rest of the world. Maybe we’ll actually see an example of a liberal society that has a muslim majority. Maybe Iraq will be an example. But until then, the burden of proof is on the Muslim faith to prove that it compatible with freedom and reason. I shall not entrust the leadership of the Western World to a person of a faith that has yet demonstrate it acceptence of the Western way of life. If that makes me a bigot, so be it.

phronesis on June 24, 2008 at 7:51 PM

It’s never excusable to assign negative traits to an entire group of people based on the actions of some. A Muslim presidential candidate should be assessed on their own merits, not those of the 9/11 hijackers. The best way to encourage liberalism and democracy among Muslims is not by excluding Muslims from liberalism and democracy. If a Muslim president ever were to be elected, they could be a shining beacon to the rest of the Muslim world.

Nixonian

I’m seeing that word quite a bit lately. If left folks get wind of this trend, they’ll no doubt say it’s a secret Rove talking point, but I used it on my blog, in reference to Obama, before seeing it used to describe Obama’s campaign elsewhere, so I think it’s just something we’re all detecting: That when “change” means “the 70s,” it might not be just Carter we’re talking about.