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LA Times poll: Obama 49, McCain 37

posted at 6:07 pm on June 24, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Gallup has it 46/43 today and Rasmussen has it 46/40, and we’ve got the same lopsided sample here that we had in that 15-point Newsweek spread last week — 39/22/27 among Democrats, Republicans, and independents, respectively. Even so, the LAT’s sample was random, and even Gallup concedes that Dems now lead the GOP 50/36 in party identification. We keep dismissing these polls where the leftist contingent vastly outnumbers the right, but, er, should we? Electoral reality is what it is these days, after all.

Here are the crosstabs. The good news for Maverick: A la last week’s Fox News poll, he still does well with independents on various issues — but not, notably, on the economy, where he trails Obama among indies by nine points and by 21 points overall. And then there’s this. Top is Obama’s enthusiasm metric, bottom is McCain’s:

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That’s in line with what we’ve seen elsewhere. And if you don’t think it matters, compare the data in questions 3 and 4, in a two-man race versus a race with Bob Barr and Ralph Nader. Obama loses three points among independents in a four-man contest while McCain loses eight.


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It’s gonna be epic.

lorien1973 on June 24, 2008 at 6:09 PM

When a story begins “In an LA Times poll…” you can disregard the numbers that follow.

Exurban Jon on June 24, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Obama loses three points among independents in a four-man contest while McCain loses eight

A house built on sand…

VolMagic on June 24, 2008 at 6:10 PM

LAT’s sample was random

Yeah, a random sample of registered — not likely — voters.

amerpundit on June 24, 2008 at 6:10 PM

A suit built on emptiness will not last. It’s so early.

Soon, it will only be a hanger in place of the empty suit.

originalpechanga on June 24, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Are there really some people out there who think McCain has a chance of winning?

Too funny.

Even his own party hates him.

alphie on June 24, 2008 at 6:12 PM

The poll dance..

If they repeat the lie that Obama is winning long enough people will come to believe it.

Chakra Hammer on June 24, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Any poll before the debates doesn’t matter to me.

WisCon on June 24, 2008 at 6:12 PM

I’d stay away from CBS, Newsweek, LAT and NYT polls for quite a while. Registered voters in skewed samples are not predictive at all, especially in June.

Ed Morrissey on June 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM

If they repeat the lie that Obama is winning long enough people will come to believe it.

Thats Change you can Believe in.

Chakra Hammer on June 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM

86 Net enthusiastic from Dems for Obama while only 51 enthusiastic Reps for McCain.

I blame AP. Way to go, man.

jimmy the notable on June 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM

Hope
Hype

fogw on June 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM

alphie on June 24, 2008 at 6:12 PM

As opposed to your candidate, who hates America.

VolMagic on June 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM

It’s called Propaganda.

Tried and tested since WWII.

Chakra Hammer on June 24, 2008 at 6:14 PM

So should I just cancel my 401k now or wait until President Obama messes with the markets and just watch it shrink?

I have a basement, but should I dig a bomb shelter under it?

Anyone know the best way to steal gas from my neighbor`s car?

ThePrez on June 24, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Are there really some people out there who think McCain has a

alphie on June 24, 2008 at 6:12 PM

YES! I do.

thuja on June 24, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Anybody who put stock in these polls, especially this far out, is looking for a reason to worry.

TheBigOldDog on June 24, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Allah,

With the way you depress people everyday with ur pessimism, no wonder republicans are not very enthusiastic…lol. I’ve stopped reading ur election posts, cus it just depressed me.

Ed is a lot more cheerful…which is good for me. If we are going to lose in Nov. i don’t want to be depressed for 4 months…I will rather be surprised.

Chudi on June 24, 2008 at 6:15 PM

The only poll that matters is the one taken the first Tuesday of November.

Badger in KC on June 24, 2008 at 6:16 PM

Any poll before the debates doesn’t matter to me.

WisCon on June 24, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Me either, so that’s 100%.

Marcus on June 24, 2008 at 6:16 PM

alphie on June 24, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Famous last words. Heard the same crap about how great Mondale and McGovern were going to do.

amerpundit on June 24, 2008 at 6:16 PM

Oh come on. He’s going to buy the election now anyway. None of his supporters gave a crap he lied about that.

Chuck Schick on June 24, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Did they poll the illegal immigrants?

becki51758 on June 24, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Does it say somewhere in there ‘LA Times Poll taken among those in the news room, Code Pink Retards and that homeless guy down the street’???

BigWyo on June 24, 2008 at 6:19 PM

In fact:

In January, 1984 Reagan tied both Mondale and John Glenn at 45%.
In July, 1984 after the Democratic convention, Mondale was ahead of Glenn 48 – 46%

In May, 1988, Dukakis was ahead of Bush 49 – 39%

In January, 1996 Dole was ahead of Clinton in tracking polls.

And those results happened to be mentioned in a post about how well Kerry was doing against Bush.

amerpundit on June 24, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Get out in the sun a little more AP. It will help your outlook in life.

Sugar Land on June 24, 2008 at 6:20 PM

From the LA Times I’m surprised it’s not Obama 99.9% and the rest undecided.

Maxx on June 24, 2008 at 6:21 PM

I don’t remember any talk that Mondale would beat Reagan, Ameri.

I think you’re dreaming there.

Think of McCain as Bob Dole II if it helps.

alphie on June 24, 2008 at 6:22 PM

We keep dismissing these polls where the leftist contingent vastly outnumbers the right, but, er, should we?

No

bnelson44 on June 24, 2008 at 6:23 PM

In this national poll’s random sample of voters, 39% identified themselves as Democrats, 22% as Republicans, and 27% as independents.

Riiiiight. A totally random and representative sample group.

Hollowpoint on June 24, 2008 at 6:23 PM

alphie on June 24, 2008 at 6:22 PM

See my last update. In the very least Mondale was tied with Reagan in the polls, Dole lead Clinton, and Dukakis lead Bush.

amerpundit on June 24, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Big Brown

bard on June 24, 2008 at 6:24 PM

amerpundit on June 24, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Dude, we just keeps seeing the same movie over and over and over yet some keep forgetting how it ends.

I don’t remember any talk that Mondale would beat Reagan, Ameri.

I think you’re dreaming there.

Think of McCain as Bob Dole II if it helps.

alphie on June 24, 2008 at 6:22 PM

And what would have happened if Perot hadn’t split the conservative vote?

TheBigOldDog on June 24, 2008 at 6:26 PM

This explains why Obama has not sunk in the polls.

Conservatives are focusing on Jeremiah Wright, etc.

Conservatives need to focus on Obama’s radical policies, like raising the tax burden, and lowering our defenses with the Patriot Act. The list goes on.

indythinker on June 24, 2008 at 6:30 PM

One word: electability.

Or so we were told (ok, I violated the one word thing … sue me).

thirteen28 on June 24, 2008 at 6:30 PM

Sorry. This explains why Obama has not sunk in the polls.

indythinker on June 24, 2008 at 6:30 PM

This is the same LA Times polling outfit that had Gray Davis surviving the 2003 recall by a wide margin and Cruz Bustamante beating Arnold by double digits a week before the recall.

Notoriously slanted, bad, biased, name your poison when it comes to the LAT. In California the two remotely credible polls come from the PPIC and Field Institute, and even those are slighty tilted towards Dems in almost every poll.

Mike D. on June 24, 2008 at 6:31 PM

We keep dismissing these polls where the leftist contingent vastly outnumbers the right, but, er, should we?

When they’re more skewed than the ditribution in other reputable polls, and the topline is way off of Gallup and Rasmussen?

Sure.

Karl on June 24, 2008 at 6:32 PM

Do the math…over-sampling will give you any number you’re looking for.

bard on June 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Are there really some people out there who think McCain has a chance of winning?

Like the great Joe Namath said before Superbowl III, “I guarantee victory” for McCain. The Obama campaign will self-implode at some point.

And I flat-out refuse to even consider the possibility of a President Obama. Not. Gonna. Happen.

JetBoy on June 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Polls don’t mean a lot at this stage. That said, it’s always better to be ahead than behind, and the evidence of weakness in McCains support tracks what we see online.

Oh, well. For once in my life I don’t have a dog in this fight.

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Chudi on June 24, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Allah … ur … ur … cus

Behave.

DaveS on June 24, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Even if Perot’s votes were added to Dole’s total…Clinton would have won, dog.

Jetboy,

Dems have lived 8 years under little Bush…you’ll survive 8 under Obama.

Trust me.

alphie on June 24, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Are there really some people out there who think McCain has a chance of winning?
Too funny.
Even his own party hates him.
alphie on June 24, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Didnt some of you guys same the same thing during the primaries?

malkinmania on June 24, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Oh, well. For once in my life I don’t have a dog in this fight.

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM

How wrong you are, my friend.

JetBoy on June 24, 2008 at 6:36 PM

We keep dismissing these polls where the leftist contingent vastly outnumbers the right, but, er, should we?

Not while Republicans keep losing seats in what were considered to be safe districts, no.

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 6:36 PM

JetBoy, I don’t have dog in the Obama-McCain fight.

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Didnt some of you guys same the same thing during the primaries?

You mean the primaries he won with about 40% of the votes? Those primaries?

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Jetboy,

Dems have lived 8 years under little Bush…you’ll survive 8 under Obama.

Trust me.

alphie on June 24, 2008 at 6:36 PM

I’m usually the trusting type, but not on this. McCain WILL win in November. I really have no doubt.

There’s a huge difference between “little Bush” and Obama. Huge. Even IF Obama were elected in November *shudder* yes, I’m sure the USA will survive. But the ramifications of implementing most of Obama’s proposed policy will affect all of our lives indefinitely.

JetBoy on June 24, 2008 at 6:40 PM

And I flat-out refuse to even consider the possibility of a President Obama. Not. Gonna. Happen.

JetBoy on June 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM

I could be wrong but I’m with you and it’s not coming from blind optimism. It’s coming from listening to yellow dog Massachusetts Democrats who will not vote for him under any circumstances. Now maybe they are less inclined to vote for him because of their experience with his carbon copy, Deval Patrick, but they’ve only rarely even mentioned that as even one of their many reasons. It goes much, much deeper. Ironically, Maverick being who he is makes it easy for them to support him…

TheBigOldDog on June 24, 2008 at 6:40 PM

Why doesn’t McCain have a “Moderates” column?

jaime on June 24, 2008 at 6:41 PM

It would not surprise me that McCain gets steamrolled…most people want to fall in love, and you just can’t “fall in love” with McCain.
Forget who best to lead the country, love is in the air…

right2bright on June 24, 2008 at 6:45 PM

It’s L.A. ‘Nuff said.

Sultry Beauty on June 24, 2008 at 6:48 PM

right2bright on June 24, 2008 at 6:45 PM

I think you’re forgetting that even the Democrats turned on him and handed him loss after loss to the Ice Queen.

TheBigOldDog on June 24, 2008 at 6:48 PM

if mccain loses, the GOP will move further to the left

jp on June 24, 2008 at 6:54 PM

I agree any poll before Obama and McCain go head to head is an exercise in folly.

Hog Wild on June 24, 2008 at 6:59 PM

I’m not even considering the possibility of Obama winning. He’s too liberal to win a national election, you can fit his resume on a sticky note, and he is lost without the cue cards. His campaign leaves me feeling like he is running for class president. He is in over his head and I don’t take him seriously.

Greenhorn on June 24, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Anybody who put stock in these polls, especially this far out, is looking for a reason to worry.

TheBigOldDog on June 24, 2008 at 6:15 PM

But if McCain were ahead in these polls, you’d all be crowing about how important it was.

Dudes, I guess you all think that the media is suddenly going to turn on Obama in these next 4 months. I hope you people are OK after election day and Obama’s victory speech includes the words ‘mandate from the people’. Prepare yourselves. This is going to be bad.

McCain won the primaries because of his strategy of winning 2 of the first 3 states. It was his 2nd time around and the field was weak. He won New Hampshire and South Carolina. He won’t win NH in the general, and the South will be more of a toss up than it should be due to McCain’s pandering to the Hispanics.

I hope you are all OK after this election when reality sets in. At least we’ll be done with Obama in 4 – 8 years. I’ll still be a relatively young man.

ThackerAgency on June 24, 2008 at 7:00 PM

JetBoy, I don’t have dog in the Obama-McCain fight.

flenser on June 24, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Ah, flenser, you have two dogs in this fight…yourself, and your country.

I could be wrong but I’m with you and it’s not coming from blind optimism. It’s coming from listening to yellow dog Massachusetts Democrats who will not vote for him under any circumstances. Now maybe they are less inclined to vote for him because of their experience with his carbon copy, Deval Patrick, but they’ve only rarely even mentioned that as even one of their many reasons. It goes much, much deeper. Ironically, Maverick being who he is makes it easy for them to support him…

TheBigOldDog on June 24, 2008 at 6:40 PM

I don’t believe I’m blindly optimistic, but I suppose it’s debatable. But I truly hope that the more moderate/conservative Democrats WILL cross over and vote McCain.

Not to mention conservative Republicans who should be voting McCain as well…

JetBoy on June 24, 2008 at 7:01 PM

if mccain loses, the GOP will move further to the left

jp on June 24, 2008 at 6:54 PM

If they get any further left, they’ll just be Democrats so there won’t be a need for a 2 party system – or voting.

ThackerAgency on June 24, 2008 at 7:01 PM

See my last update. In the very least Mondale was tied with Reagan in the polls, Dole lead Clinton, and Dukakis lead Bush.

amerpundit on June 24, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Wasn’t Carter also ahead of Reagan in 1980?

No matter, this poll makes the left and the right happy. Party while the empire still stands. It’s going to die over a long period of time. Life’s still good.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:01 PM

NOW WAIT JUST A SECOND!

This poll must be fake. After all, John McCain supports amnesty. He’s going to carry Cali in a landslide.

misterpeasea on June 24, 2008 at 7:02 PM

I’m usually the trusting type, but not on this. McCain WILL win in November. I really have no doubt.

There’s a huge difference between “little Bush” and Obama. Huge. Even IF Obama were elected in November *shudder* yes, I’m sure the USA will survive. But the ramifications of implementing most of Obama’s proposed policy will affect all of our lives indefinitely.

JetBoy on June 24, 2008 at 6:40 PM

My problem is we’ll get too many of the same policies under McCain as we would Obama. If I’m going to drink a beer. I’d prefer to drink a regular beer, instead of a near beer. If I’ve got to choose a Politician in November, and my choice is Democrat, and a wannabe Democrat, the choice is clear. Go with the original, and let the wannabe fall to the ashes of history, where he belongs.

My fellow Conservative friends who don’t like Obama have begun to agree with me at work. McCain is too untrustworthy to have anywhere near the white house. We think he might be qualified to work as a County Commissioner, just not in our counties. That by the way is the consensus of opinion of twenty good old boys from rural (Farm Country) Georgia. Four of those good old boys are now wearing Obama T-Shirts.

If we can keep this up, just keep hoisting McCain on his own statements, his own record, we’ll make sure he doesn’t win in November.

As for the Debates? Are you kidding? Less than half the voters will watch the debates. They’ll make up their minds before the debates are even held. The other half will be watching American Idol, and will listen to people like me in the lunch room describe the debates. Of course, I’ll be telling them how McCain plans to destroy their jobs with his immigration policies, how he intends to double the costs of everything with his cap and trade tax nonsense. I’m sure those blue collar boys who always vote will be right there when you need them. NOT.

Nope, they won’t support McCain, because McCain has staked out a position on every side of every issue, and his own words are easy to find these days, the those boys don’t like some of his words.

An example. “John McCain is pro life, and I’m pro life so I’m supporting McCain.”

Me: “But, John McCain said he wouldn’t support a Constitutional Amendment banning Abortions, instead continuing to leave it up to the courts for another two or three Generations. With a Million choices a year, and an estimated twenty or forty years of court decisions along the lines of Roe V. Wade, how many millions of babies are going to die because John McCain didn’t want to stand up and do the right thing?”

“Well, he does support pro life agenda.”

“Sure, he told Planned Parenthood they have to tell the woman about adoption, before they perform the abortion.”

“He’ll appoint judges who are anti-abortion.”

“Really? Like Alito, whom he said was too conservative? Or Roberts, who McCain said he wouldn’t appoint because he wore his religion on his sleeve?”

“Damn.”

That is actually a conversation I had just last week with a friend. He’s not wearing an Obama T-shirt. He is not wearing a McCain shirt, and said he wasn’t going to donate any money until McCain made up his damn mind on what he was going to do. Thankfully, McCain won’t do that.

Tell me again how he’s going to win? Perhaps the war on Terror which was such a huge help to Republicans in 2006 will be the deciding factor.

Next time, find us a conservative, and consistent candidate. We’ll line up to support him. Most of us aren’t even religious, we aren’t the religious right. We’re the hard core hard working conservatives whom McCain has shat upon too often.

Snake307 on June 24, 2008 at 7:02 PM

I’m not even considering the possibility of Obama winning. . He is in over his head and I don’t take him seriously.

Greenhorn on June 24, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Reasonably, you shouldn’t, for the reasons you mention. But his supporters know nothing about him, nor do they care. They fill his empty suit with their fantasies–like playing the lottery.

Those people you need to take seriously. I talk to them every day.

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2008 at 7:03 PM

if mccain loses, the GOP will move further to the left

jp on June 24, 2008 at 6:54 PM

How, pray tell, do you figure?

misterpeasea on June 24, 2008 at 7:03 PM

He’s going to carry Cali in a landslide.

misterpeasea on June 24, 2008 at 7:02 PM

He might cary it, but you didn’t hear “landslide” from here, to be sure.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:05 PM

I hope you are all OK after this election when reality sets in. At least we’ll be done with Obama in 4 – 8 years. I’ll still be a relatively young man.

ThackerAgency on June 24, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Geez everything is going to be ok. Don’t sound so dramatic. The world doesn’t revolve around the presidency.

terryannonline on June 24, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Famous last words. Heard the same crap about how great Mondale and McGovern were going to do.

amerpundit on June 24, 2008 at 6:16 PM

The simple fact is that Mondale and McGovern were politicians who were examined for their political views which didn’t measure up. This time we are taking measure between a politician and a man whose growing cult, which includes the MSM, considers a divine being beyond reproach.

jmarcure on June 24, 2008 at 7:07 PM

We keep dismissing these polls where the leftist contingent vastly outnumbers the right, but, er, should we? Electoral reality is what it is these days, after all.

Some commenters are being dismissive. Some are not. The LAT poll viewed in the context of eletoral polling history is, well, what it should be. Heck Mondale had a lead over Reagan at one time. This poll is good for traffic, but the general electorate is just not paying attention. After Labor Day, game on.

Theworldisnotenough on June 24, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Geez everything is going to be ok. Don’t sound so dramatic. The world doesn’t revolve around the presidency.

terryannonline on June 24, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Misunderestimation (a Bushism) of this century. Save it. It will be a great reminder.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:08 PM

But no matter Terryann, the partying can go on. A few of us will pay for it. I fully will literally support socialism. Gag me now.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:09 PM

The world doesn’t revolve around the presidency.

terryannonline on June 24, 2008 at 7:06 PM

plus House, plus Senate, plus media, plus academia, plus Hollywood, plus scientists, plus Soros, plus UN, plus….

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2008 at 7:11 PM

plus SCOTUS

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2008 at 7:11 PM

JiangxiDad, be very careful – your enemies are very close to you.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:12 PM

JiangxiDad, be very careful – your enemies are very close to you.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:12 PM

E, you are a cipher. I feel like you sent me a scary fortune cookie.

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Geez everything is going to be ok. Don’t sound so dramatic. The world doesn’t revolve around the presidency.

terryannonline on June 24, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Throw in the House and Senate and a whole bunch of of bad stuff can happen.

But after the Democrats took both in 2006 they becaume the most unpopular Congress in history in about 4 months. With Obama they’ll overreach. So long as he never loses his his massive arrogance.

Chuck Schick on June 24, 2008 at 7:16 PM

Throw in the House and Senate and a whole bunch of of bad stuff can happen.

But after the Democrats took both in 2006 they becaume the most unpopular Congress in history in about 4 months. With Obama they’ll overreach. So long as he never loses his his massive arrogance.

Chuck Schick on June 24, 2008 at 7:16 PM

If Obama wins the election I doubt Dems will keep their majority in Congress in 2010. Together they will do too much spending and they will be outta there!

terryannonline on June 24, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Geez everything is going to be ok. Don’t sound so dramatic. The world doesn’t revolve around the presidency.

terryannonline on June 24, 2008 at 7:06 PM

I second that.

Remember BJ’s first term? He veered left, America didn’t like it, and ushered in the first Republican House in 40ish years. And that was at the end of history, when we had no enemies and not a care in the world. Now history is back, and we have enemies. And Americans are going to put up with more idiocy than they would with the horny hick?

I’d just as soon give Bambi some rope and let him hang himself and the rest of the Democrats. Why let McCain banish Republicans to the wilderness for a couple decades when we can have Bambi do the same to the Democrats?

We’ve survived FDR, though his chickens are still roosting. We’ve survived Carter, though his chickens are still roosting. Can Bambi really do more damage than FDR and Carter? Irreversible damage?

misterpeasea on June 24, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Every populace deserves its leader.

The violence in Zimbabwe could descend into genocide like that in Rwanda in 1994. It’s the people of Zimbabwe who need to act, and the rest of the world, but the latter will do absolutely nothing, outside of pontificating.

The U.S. populace will show the rest of the world a big finger, or it will join the rest of the world. We decide. We have the power, the freedom and the option. No one else to blame.

JiangxiDad, that is a complex word. But you did pick the right interpretation. Obama is the other one. The fools don’t know the difference, though. Don’t be scared, just careful.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Snake307 on June 24, 2008 at 7:02 PM

OK…So let me get this…You would rather vote for a Democrat who you perceive to be more “Democrat” than a Republican you perceive as not “Republican” enough?

Again, it’s all in your perception. As I see him, McCain IS a Republican. Perhaps not AS conservative as I’d always like, but he ain’t no liberal either.

McCain is too untrustworthy to have anywhere near the white house.

Again, just what has McCain done that makes him “untrustworthy”?

John McCain said he wouldn’t support a Constitutional Amendment banning Abortions, instead continuing to leave it up to the courts…

I agree. I’m as pro-life a guy you’ll meet, but I also don’t think the Constitution should be messed with on a dime. Abortion rights IS for the courts to decide. Same with gay marriage.

As for Alito and Roberts, it most certainly was McCain and the “gang of 14″ who was instrumental in getting them both confirmed. Of that, I am convinced.

I do believe Obama will self-destruct at some point from now and November. And a lot can happen, here and in the world, in that time. And I believe the Obama/McCain debates will be watched by many. American Idol doesn’t return until next year :-) This election seems to have a lot of interest from people that I know as well, who normally aren’t interested in politics at all.

JetBoy on June 24, 2008 at 7:21 PM

If Obama wins the election I doubt Dems will keep their majority in Congress in 2010. Together they will do too much spending and they will be outta there!

terryannonline on June 24, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Terryann: Get out of my head!

And be prepared for friendly fire.

misterpeasea on June 24, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Can Bambi really do more damage than FDR and Carter? Irreversible damage?

misterpeasea on June 24, 2008 at 7:20 PM

You ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Good luck.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Can Bambi really do more damage than FDR and Carter? Irreversible damage?

misterpeasea on June 24, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Yes. We are already left. More hard jerks in that direction and we stay there until after the revolution.

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2008 at 7:23 PM

McCain will come back. Take a relaxer of any sort and wait it out. Obama can’t go the whole cycle without a debate or four and the real scrutiny has not begun.

JAW on June 24, 2008 at 7:24 PM

I fully will literally support socialism. Gag me now.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:09 PM

*gag*!

;-)

JetBoy on June 24, 2008 at 7:24 PM

I think you’re forgetting that even the Democrats turned on him and handed him loss after loss to the Ice Queen.

TheBigOldDog on June 24, 2008 at 6:48 PM

No I haven’t, but thanks for reminding me.

I am just of the mood of plan for the worst, hope for the best.
I just don’t have as much faith in voters as I need to. Like I said, love is in the air. That is what happened with Kennedy, Love…
Six months after in office and the Berlin wall was up and Cuba was a crisis. Khrushchev saw how immature and weak Kennedy was and went right after him…and still Kennedy is beloved. Immaturity almost destroyed us, and it didn’t matter, it was Camelot…

right2bright on June 24, 2008 at 7:26 PM

McCain will come back. Take a relaxer of any sort and wait it out. Obama can’t go the whole cycle without a debate or four and the real scrutiny has not begun.

JAW on June 24, 2008 at 7:24 PM

Yes. But people better not become complacent about him. He is in many ways the perfect vehicle.

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2008 at 7:26 PM

If Obama wins the election I doubt Dems will keep their majority in Congress in 2010. Together they will do too much spending and they will be outta there!

terryannonline on June 24, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Terry Ann-

It’s hard to believe they’d lose both in 2 years, but I can’t imagine it wouldnt come back right again.

No one is noticing this, but this Democrat-lead Congress might just rack up the biggest deficit in history this year, after 4 years of it falling under the GOP. After all the legitimate griping about the GOPs spending habits, thats inexcusable.

The House just signed in a $300B program to buy risky mortgages today for God’s sakes. Are they going for the worlds first trillion dollar deficit?

And Obama wants another $300B a year in spending on top of that.

Chuck Schick on June 24, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Yes, JetBoy, but you should have used a cry symbol. You have no idea how depressed this makes me, to see a free people hand over their liberties to a Utopian empty zero, and have them be willing to support such nihilism.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:28 PM

There’s a long summer ahead when voters aren’t paying attention, then after the conventions everybody will wake up and say “oh, by the way, there’s an election”. If McCain is smart, he’ll use this time to hold lots of “town-hall” meetings and generate enthusiastic supporters who will tell their neighbors about Obama’s foot-in-mouth gaffe-du-jour. He can come up with some well-thought-out proposals, then run ads like crazy to demolish all the lies that Obama has been spouting for the last year and a half. Then there will be those last-minute decisions in the voting booth…can we really trust this young guy with no record and taking both sides of every issue, or are we safer with someone who has “been there and done that”?

Remember the Florida Election Day exit polls in 2000, Gore by 6%, except they didn’t poll absentee voters, who were 10% of the electorate. Kerry also won lots of exit polls in states that he lost. Then we need to drive Grandma and Grandpa to the polls, and let the young voters sleep off their hangovers and hope they don’t show up.

Steve Z on June 24, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Yes. We are already left. More hard jerks in that direction and we stay there until after the revolution.

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2008 at 7:23 PM

In spite of the fact that we didn’t put up with it from BJ, we’re going to put up with it from Bambi?

How ’bout the poll that a majority of the fruits and nuts in Kalfornya support off-shore drilling? Not encouraging?

Or that most Americans aren’t willing to pay a single penny more for gas to fight global warmism?

Or that the Dems took over the House on the strength of conservative Democrats?

Bambi’s backed away from surrender. He was touting the fact that he voted for welfare reform, for goodness’ sake.

America ain’t liberal.

misterpeasea on June 24, 2008 at 7:31 PM

America ain’t liberal.

misterpeasea on June 24, 2008 at 7:31 PM

Sure. It’s just in a funk. It also needs an enema.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:35 PM

You have no idea how depressed this makes me, to see a free people hand over their liberties to a Utopian empty zero, and have them be willing to support such nihilism.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Since when do Democrats vote for substance over style? Or Republicans vote style over substance? It doesn’t happen these days. I can’t get over that graphic chart above tho…Obama supporters are generally “enthusiastic” over their guy, and yet (I know, big surprise) McCain supporters are much “less enthusiastic” over our guy. This needs to change. And it will, significantly, after a couple of debates.

I with you…If (I still say it ain’t likely) Obama wins, I will literally cry. And worry.

But I have total faith, this country will see McCain in the White House.

JetBoy on June 24, 2008 at 7:36 PM

It also needs an enema.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:35 PM

That’s doable.

misterpeasea on June 24, 2008 at 7:37 PM

misterpeasea on June 24, 2008 at 7:31 PM

Good points.I hope you are correct.

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2008 at 7:38 PM

That’s doable.

misterpeasea on June 24, 2008 at 7:37 PM

To Russia, with love. Khrushchev finally gets his wish.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:44 PM

JetBoy, keep the faith. That can get you in trouble, right here. We’re all looking for a Messiah to come save us.

Entelechy on June 24, 2008 at 7:46 PM

I with you…If (I still say it ain’t likely) Obama wins, I will literally cry. And worry.

JetBoy on June 24, 2008 at 7:36 PM

You know- I never really worried about Hillary becoming President. I always thought they learned their lesson from 1994 and she would do the same sort of triangulating and poll-chasing that made their domestic changes so innocuous.

I now believe the same about Obama. In 24 hours he threw his stance on FISA and campaign finance out the window for the win. He’s incredibly thin skinned and can’t take any direct scrutiny very well. None of his career shows any sort of legislative creativity or big picture thinking.

And look at Congress. Regardless of Bush, they can’t get anything passed that isnt a massive spending bill. And now they have to answer for the massive deficits that have returned. They only passed one of the 6 for ‘06- IIRC 3 of them didn’t even leave committee. They ran like bitches from their own cap and trade idiocy. They have the lowest approval and confidence rating in history.

So if the Republicans have to stay in the woods for a while- this Congress and an arrogant, sensitive greenhorn like Obama are the sort of people you want watching the cabin. If it happens it won’t last long. Gas prices and the economy will prevent them from passing most of what they want to do for a while.

Chuck Schick on June 24, 2008 at 7:48 PM

please, stop with the polls. it’s like the preseason NCAA fooball poll. complete fantasy, dude.

DrW on June 24, 2008 at 8:00 PM

even Gallup concedes that Dems now lead the GOP 50/36 in party identification

I don’t buy that, even coming from Gallup.

Del Dolemonte on June 24, 2008 at 8:05 PM

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