Video: Eyewitness at Hispanic Republican meeting rips McCain on immigration

posted at 12:15 pm on June 23, 2008 by Allahpundit

Nothing new or earth-shattering, but the news is slow, the meat is oh so red, and after the attention last week’s post received, I thought the jury deserved to see her to judge her credibility for itself.

Speaking of credibility, all you need to know about Maverick’s is that anti-amnesty groups are reorienting towards lobbying state and local governments, so lost a cause will this be at the federal level come 2009. Click the image to watch.

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How’s Palin on immigration?

/despondent

Purple Fury on June 23, 2008 at 12:19 PM

How’s Palin on immigration?

How many immigration issues do you have to deal with in Alaska? There aren’t exactly thousands of people waiting to leave British Columbia.

malan89 on June 23, 2008 at 12:31 PM

anti-amnesty groups are reorienting towards lobbying state and local governments

Which is a great shame, because this is a constitutionally legitimate federal issue.

Dereliction of fedgov duty.

LimeyGeek on June 23, 2008 at 12:33 PM

How is illegal immigration even up for a debate? It’s a no-brainer. Build a freakin’ wall!

While we’re at it, how is drilling for oil up for debate? Drill here, drill now, pay less, way less.

How is winning the war against islamofascism up for debate? Kill them before they kill us. What is so hard to understand about these issues?

Tony737 on June 23, 2008 at 12:33 PM

Siberian boat people…..?

JohnTant on June 23, 2008 at 12:34 PM

McCain, the conservative base back stabber, must not become President. Conservatives need to reject the GOP until it returns to it’s conservative roots.

Let the socialist, empty suit have the White House. He will forever be associated with the Great Depression of 2008. Obamavilles will go down in history next to Hoovervilles. Due to our inevitable and spectacular economic woes, there has never been a better time to temporarily surrender the White House to a totally incompetent candidate.

We conservatives will never take back our party unless we out and out reject the RINO McCain. The time for this type of action is now, while the cancer is relatively small.

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 12:36 PM

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 12:36 PM

In other words: Defeat is the path to victory!

I’ll pass.

Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 12:39 PM

I agree the Supreme Court is too big a prize to pass on to Obama to fill in.

William Amos on June 23, 2008 at 12:40 PM

Rosanna Pulido is not an impartial eyewitness. She’s a hostile eyewitness.

RBMN on June 23, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Let the socialist, empty suit have the White House. He will forever be associated with the Great Depression of 2008. – VoR

That would mean letting our great nation’s economy go into depression just to prove a point. That’s like when the Libs cheer the news of dead Soldiers and say ‘Told ya so’. That’s not reasonable and it’s not worth it. McCain sucks, but he’s way better than the Obammunist. Our Troops in the desert need him to win and that’s what matters most.

Tony737 on June 23, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 12:39 PM

So your way is better? Victory is the path to defeat?

Like the old transmission commercial said, you can pay me now or pay me later. I’d rather pay now. The price will be enormous later.

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Rosanna Pulido: (damned video player stopped on me, but I think she said something to the effect of) “McCain is a senator from a border state, and he has done nothing to..”

Uh, Rosanna, The governor of Arizona and the federal government have more to say about securing the border. I didn’t know that the senator from that state has any ability to mandate and construct a border, hire and train border agents.

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Voiceofreason I’m with you..PEROID!!!!!

twiggman on June 23, 2008 at 12:43 PM

Let the socialist, empty suit have the White House.
voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 12:36 PM

Urging conservatives to not vote for the republican and allow the democrat to win when his supporters overwhelmingly vote for their candidate.

Where have I heard that pitch before.

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 12:44 PM

voiceofdefeat on June 23, 2008 at 12:36 PM

No, I don’t think I want to risk having my country go to the dogs just to teach everyone a lesson.

Buford Gooch on June 23, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Tony737 on June 23, 2008 at 12:42 PM

I have news for you. Regardless of who gets in, we are headed to a severe depression. Party politics helped get us there but will not get us out of it. Don’t drink the msm kool aid on the economy. You will be vastly misinformed.

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 12:45 PM

I have news for you. Regardless of who gets in, we are headed to a severe depression.
voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 12:45 PM

Citation needed.

Oh, that’s right. You can’t.

Oh well.

Nostradamus’ corpse 08!

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 12:46 PM

Buford Gooch on June 23, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Why can’t you see that the dems already have won this election? It’s only a question of which of THEIR candidates gets in, McCain or the empty suit.

This is as close to a one party system as you will ever see. Nice little personal dig there too. Can’t debate the facts?

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 12:47 PM

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 12:42 PM

I’ll take the challenge of fixing the damage of the McCain years over the challenge of fixing the damage of the Obama years any day. If that means it is a lesser of two evils pick then that is what it is. I make no apologies for voting for McCain. I don’t want a brand new country, I want to work on fixing this one.

I’m not telling you to vote for McCain. That is your right. Your strategy for winning is a loser for me.

Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 12:48 PM

Voiceofreason,

Don’t blame McCain ’cause your primary candidate couldn’t get it done. After November, he’ll be the head of the Republican Party. Hard to say that the head of the Republican Party is not Republican. Is the Pope Catholic enough? I think so.

RBMN on June 23, 2008 at 12:48 PM

Regardless of who gets in, we are headed to a severe depression. VoR

Not necessarily. We have a better chance of recovery with McCain than with Obambi. I don’t see how letting millions of people lose their jobs, their homes their cars, etc just prove a point helps anybody. If anything, they’ll just vote Dem again to get on welfare.

Tony737 on June 23, 2008 at 12:50 PM

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 12:46 PM

Says you. You can start by reading the work of Nouriel Roubini here . Then dig deeper. It’s all there if you have the courage to face reality. After all, I raised my little one so my spoon feeding days are over.

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 12:50 PM

I’ll take the challenge of fixing the damage of the McCain years over the challenge of fixing the damage of the Obama years any day. – Limey

Now THAT is a ‘voice of reason’.

If we could only get McCain to pick a solid conservative as his V.P. and then give us a promise written in his won blood that he’ll only do four years, we may survive this thing. But if the Obammunist gets in there, he’ll screw everything up so bad we won’t be able to fix it.

Tony737 on June 23, 2008 at 12:54 PM

RBMN on June 23, 2008 at 12:48 PM

He may be a Republican, which is an overly tortured term these days. However, he is certainly not a conservative.

The Republican party in it’s glory days was all about being conservative.

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 12:54 PM

he’ll screw everything up so bad we won’t be able to fix it.

Tony737 on June 23, 2008 at 12:54 PM

We can fix anything we are truly determined to fix. That’s why America is America and the rest of the planet isn’t ;)

It’ll be an ugly shit-kicking brawl though….

LimeyGeek on June 23, 2008 at 12:56 PM

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 12:54 PM

“Conservative” and “liberal” are overly tortured terms as well ;)

LimeyGeek on June 23, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Voiceofreason, Don’t blame McCain ’cause your primary candidate couldn’t get it done. RBMN on June 23, 2008 at 12:48 PM

He may be a Republican, which is an overly tortured term these days. However, he is certainly not a conservative. voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Ah, the “McCain isn’t a conservative” line.

Allrightey then.

The American Conservative Union has released its report on Congress for 2007, and John McCain will welcome the results. Despite missing a number of votes while campaigning for President, McCain voted often enough to win a rating of 80, a significant improvement over the 65 he got in 2006. That approximates his lifetime rating of 82.16 and gives McCain a little more ammunition for his argument to represent conservative values.

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Rosanna Polido (sp?) wants enforcement first. She believes Comprehensive Immigration Reform = Amnesty.

Leslie Sanchez says McCain has taken his lumps on the issue from conservatives. Wants a compassionate approach for dealing with the millions already here.

They’ve both got a valid point.

Like AP said, there’s nothing new here, looks like CNN is filling airtime. Part of the problem with the last Immigration Reform fiasco was the sneaky way they tried to ram it through. And John McCain was one of the Sneakers in Chief.

You know what I really want at this point? Just a clear understanding of all the components we are dealing with. Honest numbers. How many people are here? How much is it costing our schools and hospitals, vs. benefiting agriculture, construction, service industries. Honestly how the Mexican Government is involved in it. And what, in alphabetical order, are the reforms being proposed?!!? Is that too much to ask?

And if our Senators haven’t seen Immigration By The Numbers, it’s high time they did.

RushBaby on June 23, 2008 at 1:00 PM

How is illegal immigration even up for a debate?

Tony737 on June 23, 2008 at 12:33 PM

You are now entering… the Maverick(tm)-Zone.

Where every obvious rhetorical question has an answer you won’t like. And I mean, really won’t like.

Purple Fury on June 23, 2008 at 1:00 PM

We can fix anything we are truly determined to fix. That’s why America is America and the rest of the planet isn’t ;) L-Geek

You’re right, L-Geek! You’re absolutely right! America can do anything, I’m usually optimistic like you, but Obambi’s got me worried. Thanks for slappin’ me back to my senses!

Tony737 on June 23, 2008 at 1:03 PM

In other words: Defeat is the path to victory!

I’ll pass.

Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 12:39 PM

How is it a victory when the man you vote into office does not and will not reflect your policy preferences when in office?

You say, “Well at least he’ll be strong on the GWOT!”

How exactly will McCain successfully prosecute such a war when he has to work with a deep blue Congress (which will only get bluer once he’s elected) and a left-leaning SCOTUS (left-leaning certainly w.r.t. enumerated powers and the GWOT)?

spmat on June 23, 2008 at 1:06 PM

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Big deal, a bogus number to measure the immeasurable. Pull back the curtain and see McCain for what he is, a liberal in GOP clothing.

The last thing the GOP needs is to extend the Bush/Rove RINO years. It will silence conservative voices for many years to come.

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 1:06 PM

All I keep hearing from the left wing looney-toons is how lousy and rotten things are in this country!

So how come we have to look into building a wall to keeping all these illegals from swarming over the border?

pilamaye on June 23, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Big deal, a bogus number to measure the immeasurable. voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 1:06 PM

I see. The American Conservative Union is trying to fool us all. And Ed Morrissey? What he reported was also bogus. Right.

But you know the real truth. All these people? Bogus. And you? The voice of reason.

Got it.

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 1:13 PM

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 1:13 PM

Look at McCain’s positions on a variety of issues. Then make up your own mind. I don’t let anyone do my thinking for me. I assess reality for what it is, even if I don’t like it. If it walks like a duck…

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 1:16 PM

As last week proved and several news paper articles have stated McCain runs around the country having closed door meetings with Hispanic groups saying amnesty is number one with him.Now in the republican primary he had a different song and dance but anyone who knows anything at all about the issue knows McCain is a open borders hack.Not only that he’s going to lose in November.I think if I were the McCain campaign I forget the 28% of the Hispanic vote he’s currently getting and concentrate on border security people that are currently no way in hell going to vote for him.But since he’s a open borders fellow no chance of that happening.

Frankly there is a better chance of defeating amnesty if OBama wins than if McCain wins depending on how many Senate seats the dems pick up.

PTN 39 on June 23, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Tony737 on June 23, 2008 at 12:33 PM

How is illegal immigration even up for a debate? It’s a no-brainer. Build a freakin’ wall!

Way to reduce a really complex issue into a single, brainless sentence.

DaveS on June 23, 2008 at 1:18 PM

She ended with ‘McCain’s position has not changed. . . he’s focused on solutions’.

That’s true, McCain hasn’t changed his position of wanting to grant amnesty (actually) while claiming to want border security (possibly).

The solution he focuses on is billing the American taxpayer to pay for more people brought into a system that can’t support the legal individuals paying into it now. More people that but a burden and strain on local governments. But why does he care? The compassionate conservative position would be to give them a choice. . . guest worker program with no government social programs, or go back to Mexico through attrition through enforcement.

ThackerAgency on June 23, 2008 at 1:19 PM

It won’t matter much if letting/helping Obama win, results in a more conservative Presidency. Obama will have changed the Supreme Court to much more liberal than McCain facing a predicted Democrat Congress. Also, let’s take a lesson from history, sure Reagan got in, but the country wasn’t irradiated by then and despite the apparent lessons learned by Americans, he still had a Democrat Congress to fight.

This learning a lesson temper tantrum masquerading as strategy is also assuming it will be learned despite the efforts of the MSM and that the GOP won’t continue it’s stupid party behaviour and decide the lesson is that it needs to appeal even more to moderates/independents and liberals to win power.

aikidoka on June 23, 2008 at 1:21 PM

PTN 39 on June 23, 2008 at 1:18 PM

He didn’t. He said the same thing he said in the last town hall meeting. He believes in immigration reform AFTER securing the border.

Some say phooey. He don’t mean it! I can’t read his mind so I’ll work for that fence, and for strick enforcement of both employers and fence crossers to hedge my bet.

Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Look at McCain’s positions on a variety of issues. Then make up your own mind. voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 1:16 PM

I have looked at both candidates and I have come to the conclusion that:

I would rather have John McCain as president than Barack Obama.

And I made up my mind all by myself, no thanks to the people who come here, posting as conservatives who are advocating others here not to vote for McCain and then allowing Obama to be the next president because all of his supporters are going to be voting for him.

Thanks.

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 1:31 PM

You don’t have to read his mind. Look at his actions. There are none so blind as those who will not see…

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 1:34 PM

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 1:34 PM

That is why you refer to outside sources to justify your positions? What’s your opinion, not Morrissey’s or some other “think” tank.

It’s pretty sad that your major justification for McCain is fear of Obama. That should tell you something about your boy. Don’t look at both candidates, look at your candidate. Let him stand on his own merits (which he has none).

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Don’t the Republicans have an interest in supporting amnesty?

You have to presume that all these illegals are going to be sent packing if you oppose amnesty. They will have to go somewhere. So what do you do?

Is it tenable to support amnesty? No. You will alienate 1 voter today for every 1 voter you pick up. So what’s the value of the risk? Do I want to win elections today? Or, do I want to win elections 10 years from now?

One candidate is in the middle of this shitstorm and can’t get out of it. The other candidate is making slogans directly appealing to their souls.

In talks over the weekend I had this fella came up about 50% of the time from Spanish speaking persons I talked to when asked about Obama.

gabriel sutherland on June 23, 2008 at 1:42 PM

That is why you refer to outside sources to justify your positions? voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 1:34 PM

No, that was to refute your lame, “McCain isn’t a conservative” comment.

‘It’s pretty sad that your major justification for McCain is fear of Obama’

Ah, yes – the other talking point. If someone mentions that Obama will be a bad president, then they are using “fear.”

And you ( 12:36 PM ) are telling us that we will have an economic depression in the United States. So we should not let McCain be the next president, and it should be Obama.

So when you try to “fear” us into believing you, it’s okay.

Is that right?

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Don’t look at both candidates, look at your candidate. Let him stand on his own merits (which he has none). voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Almost missed that one. McCain isn’t “my” candidate because I didn’t vote for him in the primaries. He will be the republican candidate after the GOP convention. At that point he will even be “your” candidate.

Unless you want to tell us that ‘he’s not your candidate’ like the democrats told everyone about Bush. They said that Bush wasn’t ‘their president.’ What else do you have in common with democrats. That, and that you want Obama to be the next president so he can be blamed for the bad economy/depression that hasn’t happened yet and somehow a democrat in the whitehouse for 4 or 8 years will magically bring about a more conservative primary winner in 2012.

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Voiceofreason and George Soros must be really straining to hold onto those puppet strings supporting Obama’s opacity.

The solution he focuses on is billing the American taxpayer to pay for more people brought into a system that can’t support the legal individuals paying into it now. ThackerAgency on June 23, 2008 at 1:19 PM

Even if your premise is true, (which I still question), Put Obama into your scenerio and multipy it tenfold with the entitlements Obama promises on the backs of the taxpayers including the solution you’ve mentioned above.

Rovin on June 23, 2008 at 1:51 PM

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 1:44 PM

I am not using fear to justify any candidate, unlike you. And McCain isn’t a conservative plain and simple whether you accept this point or not.

This is still America. McCain will never be my candidate. My candidate will be someone who shares my views. Not someone who compromises them. If no one fits that bill, then no one will be my candidate. It’s time we think outside the 2 party box. Or in this case, the one party box.

My reference to the impending depression is a justification to pay the price to right the GOP. The yin in this yang is that the next President will always be identified with the coming modern day 1930′s style depression. That being so, there is no better time to make sacrifices for the long term health of the GOP than now. Or we can do things your way and have a democratic party and a democratic lite party.

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Tony737 on June 23, 2008 at 12:33 PM

How is illegal immigration even up for a debate? It’s a no-brainer. Build a freakin’ wall!

Way to reduce a really complex issue into a single, brainless sentence.

DaveS on June 23, 2008 at 1:18 PM

I’d say that immigration is a complex issue. Illegal immigration? Not so much. It’s illegal. Secure the border. Serious punishment for employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens. Get and KEEP the violent criminals out. Deport anyone who’s left. What, exactly, do we need a brainy debate about? A little less talk and a lot more action sounds like a plan to me.

thebaldchick on June 23, 2008 at 2:15 PM

I am not using fear to justify any candidate, unlike you. voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Unlike me. Oh, we’re back to that again are we?

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 2:16 PM

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Like many things in life, it is what it is.

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 2:19 PM

How exactly will McCain successfully prosecute such a war when he has to work with a deep blue Congress (which will only get bluer once he’s elected) and a left-leaning SCOTUS (left-leaning certainly w.r.t. enumerated powers and the GWOT)?

Bingo. For me, that’s what it all boils down to. With a Dem in the WH, there’s at least some hope that truly conservative Repubs will rediscover their spines and resist him every step of the way, and with McCain’s RINO liberalism solidly repudiated, perhaps even some of the squishier RINOs will catch the way the wind is blowing and sign on, because it will have been demonstrated to be politically expedient to do so. Which is what matters most to liberals, be they Dem or Repub.

With McCain as president, conservatism will have the rug yanked out from under its feet for years to come. And given his well-known egocentric vindictiveness, I don’t feature too many Repubs fighting back when he forcefeeds us amnesty, cap and trade, punitive actions to limit oil companies’ “obscene profits,” and who knows what else.

“Pressure” McCain into tacking right after he’s in office? Where’s that ever gotten anyone? The man positively delights in thumbing his nose at conservatives. Accept some sort of fantasy iron-clad promise on amnesty? He’s spoken with a forked tongue way too many times for anybody to have any serious expectation that it’d be kept — and it’s a promise he’s never going to make anyway.

The Supreme Court is a non-issue here. The three seats likely to become vacant are already held by liberals, the mildly conservative majority is secure for the foreseeable future, and if you think someone who “wears his conservatism on his sleeve” will either be nominated by McCain, who has explicitly said he won’t, or will sail through a Dem Congress, you’re kidding yourself. It’s wishful thinking, born of wit’s-end desperation, and that’s about it.

Vote the way you want, of course and as always. But Chicken Little predictions of ultimate doom and disaster if Obama gets in ignore the resilience of our nation, and aren’t persuasive. At least, not to me.

We now have what is effectively a one-party system in this country, and no matter whether we elect a Dem or a Repub, the leftward drift keeps right on moving us Euro-liteward. I just can’t see how voting for the status quo out of fear is going to change it. And it badly needs to change.

Mike H on June 23, 2008 at 2:26 PM

I’ll take the challenge of fixing the damage of the McCain years over the challenge of fixing the damage of the Obama years any day

It’s the same damage, so I can’t imagine why you feel that way. The only difference is that with McCain the damage reflects back on the Republican party, just as it has with Bush.

If you think people hate the GOP now, just wait till they get four years of McMoron. The Republican Congressional delegation will be meeting in a phone booth.

flenser on June 23, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Like many things in life, it is what it is. voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 2:19 PM

And democrats masquerading as conservatives and misguided conservatives who are pissed that their candidate lost in the republican primaries and seek their revenge come to conservative websites and attempt to convince real conservatives to do one thing:

Not vote for McCain in the hopes that Barack Obama is elected the next president of the United States.

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 2:35 PM

We can fix anything we are truly determined to fix. That’s why America is America and the rest of the planet isn’t ;)

But we can’t fix the Republican party, it seems. After years of complaints that Bush was too liberal and ineffectual, we’re going with a man who makes Bush look like Reagan.

flenser on June 23, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Wiseman you really don’t get it. I will not vote for someone who doesn’t reflect my views and values. It’s as simple as that. It has nothing to do with Obama or being pissed off for any reason. Why is that so hard to understand?

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 2:43 PM

witless man, if you are a real conservative, I’m Edmund Burke.

flenser on June 23, 2008 at 2:44 PM

But we can’t fix the Republican party, it seems.

Sounds like the same argument as to why we can’t drill our way out of ME oil. It takes too long.

Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Hey wow. flenser is making fun of my login name. I’m so shocked. Too bad he isn’t capable of anything else.

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 3:07 PM

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 2:43 PM

If you get your way, then McCain will lose. And you will be happy. The end result of a two man race is that one man is the loser, and the other man is the winner. And … *let me connect the dots for you since you are unwilling or unable to figure this out for yourself* …. and the result is that Obama will be the next president. You now know this, since I told you. You can’t pretend you’ve never heard of this before. So this debunked ‘It has nothing to do with Obama’ comment is now invalid. As I said. This is now a two man race.

If you decide not to vote for the lesser of two evils, and you convince others to do as you wish, then the direct result will be the greater of two evils becoming president.

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 3:12 PM

I’ll give you one thing wiseman, it is a two man race. The unfortunate thing is that they are on the team. No sale.

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Yup. Two man race. It sucks, I know.

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 3:37 PM

What sucks is that they are on the same team. Just for the record.

voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Don’t allow a communist like Obama to win the Whitehouse while Democrats own the House and the Senate by refusing to vote either as a protest or as a manipulation in hopes of a Ronald Reagan afterwards.

The amount of damage he can do in one term is far more than its worth.

Some things cannot be undone.

Speakup on June 23, 2008 at 3:46 PM

Don’t allow a communist like Obama to win the Whitehouse while Democrats own the House and the Senate by refusing to vote either as a protest or as a manipulation in hopes of a Ronald Reagan afterwards.

The amount of damage he can do in one term is far more than its worth.

Some things cannot be undone.

Speakup on June 23, 2008 at 3:46 PM

EXACTLY…We don’t need a Jimmy Carter rewind!

byteshredder on June 23, 2008 at 4:00 PM

What sucks is that they are on the same team. Just for the record.
voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 3:41 PM

I’m sorry but that is not factually correct. They are not on the same team. Not even close. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but Obama is the most liberal person in the senate, where as McCain got a rating of “B” from the American Conservative Union, so, you’re comment is an opinion without merit.

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 4:02 PM

The amount of damage he can do in one term is far more than its worth.

Obama, or McCain?

I notice the McCain cheerleaders never get two specific as to the differences between the two men.

We don’t need a Jimmy Carter rewind!

You mean, we don’t need a liberal former naval officer?

flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:05 PM

They are not on the same team. Not even close.

They are on the same team on all the most important issues facing America.

McCain got a rating of “B” from the American Conservative Union

I’m sure you’re a big fan of the ACU.

flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:07 PM

If you decide not to vote for the lesser of two evils, and you convince others to do as you wish, then the direct result will be the greater of two evils becoming president.

McCain is the greater of the two evils.

flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Hey wow. flenser is making fun of my login name.

Well, I’m not going to call the most ignorant commenter on this board (with the exception of “goatsbarnyard”) by the name “wise man”. Try using a slightly less silly handle.

flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:10 PM

McCain is the greater of the two evils.
flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:08 PM


Yup. McCain will be ‘worse’ to our country than Obama. Obama.

Worse. Obama is the lesser of the two evils by comparison to McCain. Right. Sure.

Time to put down whatever mind altering substances or powdered drink beverage that you are consuming. We’d be delighted to have you back to reality with us when you choose to return, Flenser.

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM

I’m sure you’re a big fan of the ACU.
flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:07 PM

The American Conservative Union? Ed Morrissey is, it would seem. Otherwise why did he post this information at HotAir. What do you know that Ed Morrissey does not.

wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 4:14 PM