New NRSC vid: “Freedom,” narrated by Fred Thompson
posted at 2:30 pm on June 23, 2008 by Allahpundit
From last week’s President’s Dinner fundraiser. Such is the first 3:15 that I suspect some of our readers might actually wet themselves over it; then McCain appears, and it’s like Popeye turning up in the middle of a western. Not that there’s anything wrong with Popeye, but he’s just … out of place.
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God, I miss the Gipper!
How far we have fallen!
aquaviva on June 23, 2008 at 2:33 PM
I do like the Fred seems to have a big part in McCain’s camp. That is reassuing to me as a conservative.
McCain with Conservative shackles is fine by me. I sincerly doubt there is any “FREDS” amoung Barack’s friends.
William Amos on June 23, 2008 at 2:35 PM
We can only hope McCain has some secret storage of spinach that causes him to turn conservative and beat up his enemies.
Else he looks more like Wimpy.
William Amos on June 23, 2008 at 2:37 PM
I don’t know! I think John looked and sounded pretty good!
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on June 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Republicans and Democrats are just the same, there is no difference. Vote 3rd party or stay home, its the only hope for America!!!
/crank
jp on June 23, 2008 at 2:39 PM
I like that footage of McCain with Reagan. They need to play the hell out of that this fall.
rockmom on June 23, 2008 at 2:39 PM
We haven’t fallen! We’ve been let down and deceived by those we believed carried the Gipper’s torch!!! The Gipper believed in the American people. Those that came after only believed in what was good for them and not what was good for the country!
But through it all, Ronnie’s city still shines and his dream will never die!
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on June 23, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Nicely put AP….it’s like Popeye.
Great, stirring, heart-warming stuff with Fred’s characteristic voiceover, then booosh! a bucket of cold piss hits you in the face.
LimeyGeek on June 23, 2008 at 2:42 PM
McCain wasn’t so bad in that context, but why, oh why couldn’t we have had Fred?
backwoods conservative on June 23, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Fred! Where was that during the primaries?
LarryinVA on June 23, 2008 at 2:45 PM
How would Fred be doing in polls right now vs. Obama? I’d love to know if conventional wisdom about McCain was correct or not.
If we had Fred the last 8 years to articulate conservatism some, we’d be in much better electoral position this year minus the congressional scandals and media propaganda.
jp on June 23, 2008 at 2:45 PM
It started out good but stalled out at the end to to the incongruity. It’s curious how McCain supporters tend to use some of McCain’s own faults against Obama, such as the line, “When employers are over taxed and over regulated, dreams are harder to create.” Hear that McCain? He’s talking to both of you.
McCainFred!FloatingRock on June 23, 2008 at 2:46 PM
I know what our problem is…
Ron took all the good words, there’s nothing left for us to say….
TBinSTL on June 23, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Yeah, maybe they can trick people into thinking that McCain is conservative!
flenser on June 23, 2008 at 2:47 PM
The conservatives divided the vote and left McCain all the moderates. Romney really should have run as a moderated he is the reason we have McCain as out nominee.
William Amos on June 23, 2008 at 2:48 PM
You’re right, the first three minutes were blissful. Boy, I miss voting for that man….. I just realized that the sum of all presidents (and candidates for that matter) since Reagan, combined, don’t match up to him.
Think_b4_speaking on June 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Fred!/Cloned Reagan or Cloned Reagan/Fred! in ’12.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 23, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Does our AP think his readers are Chris Matthews?
p.s. where the he*l are those extra…
Entelechy on June 23, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Growing up in the 70s and 80s, my first president that I could remember was Jimmy Carter. I remember that we were always searching for cheap gas and lot of people were out of work. Then came Ronald Reagan. I remember that we seemed to be more proud of our country after Reagan took office and started steering the ship in the right direction. I remember the good times of the mid to late 80s.
There’s a reason I still keep “A Time for Choosing” on my MP3 player. It’s valid now as never before.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 23, 2008 at 2:54 PM
To be fair, AP did not mention anything about leg tingling. :)
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 23, 2008 at 2:55 PM
As a Rep ad……Hoot!
Remember, Dewey beat Truman.
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Wow.
The “McCain is not a conservative” line, twice in one day!
Let’s just see how much of a ‘not conservative’ McCain is, shall we?
So it would seem that McCain is a “17.84 non-conservative.” Kinda like a “OMFG!!! the glass is 17 percent empty!!!!!!” kind of deal. Sorry, flenser. It would be better for you if you told the truth about McCain.
You’re welcome.
wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 3:03 PM
HA Posters,
A few days ago I ordered the 2004 A&E movie “Faith of my Fathers”, about McCains “stay” in the Hanoi Hilton for over 5 yrs.
It arrived yesterday and I watched it last night with my 11 and 8 year old boys.
People, McCain wasn’t my first choice (It was the Fred), but there is NO comparison between him and the Obama miester.
For me character has always mattered, not empty platitudes about hope and change.
Watch the movie for yourself, see what kind of mettle McCain is made of.
See if he stacks up to anything the Dems. have to say or what they stand for.
Before any of you decide to “sit this one out” please consider what we would have happen to us if the Obama/Marxist should win.
God help our country and my boys.
1GooDDaDDy on June 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Well, if I can’t have Fred for Prez., I’ll take him on the Supreme Court !
stenwin77 on June 23, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Call me MC Pee Pants then.
Go Fred!
omnipotent on June 23, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Thanks! Working on my new wallpaper now!
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Sec. of State – Mr. Bolton with schliff. He would charm the world leaders, and potentates, with his deep voice, easy-going way about him, knowing how tough he can be, and his drawl.
Entelechy on June 23, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Moments of greatness interspersed with some really sappy feel good shots. Fred’s narration was, of course, excellent (he has a voice you can listen to, not all nasal and piercing like a “Neu Yakker”.)
As far as effectiveness, I thought it was a pretty good 5 min summation of conservative principles. Now, if only I could be convinced McCain believes all those things.
VolMagic on June 23, 2008 at 3:15 PM
I still say F-U Fred! You had your chance and you slept through it. You could have taken out McCain the same time you took out Huckabee, but now we know who you were really working for.
The narration is nice, I am sure Disneyland can get Fred to do the narration for the Hall of Presidents 2.0 at some point in the future.
McCain-Feingold — the most brazen frontal assault on political speech since Buckley v. Valeo. Sounds very Reagan like.
McCain-Kennedy — the most far-reaching amnesty program in American history. Reagan granted Amnesty on the condition that the democrats would keep their end of the deal, they didn’t.
McCain-Lieberman — the most onerous and intrusive attack on American industry — through reporting, regulating, and taxing authority of greenhouse gases — in American history. Oh yeah, I am sure Reagan would have been all for that.
McCain-Kennedy-Edwards — the biggest boon to the trial bar since the tobacco settlement, under the rubric of a patients’ bill of rights. Another example of Reagan leadership.
McCain-Reimportation of Drugs — a significant blow to pharmaceutical research and development, not to mention consumer safety. Very Reagan like.
And McCain’s stated opposition to the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts was largely based on socialist, class-warfare rhetoric — tax cuts for the rich, not for the middle class. The public record is full of these statements. Today, he recalls only his insistence on accompanying spending cuts.
As chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, McCain was consistently hostile to American enterprise, from media and pharmaceutical companies to technology and energy companies.
McCain also led the Gang of 14, which prevented the Republican leadership in the Senate from mounting a rule change that would have ended the systematic use (actual and threatened) of the filibuster to prevent majority approval of judicial nominees.
And then there’s the McCain defense record.
His supporters point to essentially one policy strength, McCain’s early support for a surge and counterinsurgency. It has now evolved into McCain taking credit for forcing the president to adopt General David Petreaus’s strategy. Where’s the evidence to support such a claim?
Moreover, Iraq is an important battle in our war against the Islamo-fascist threat. But the war is a global war, and it most certainly includes the continental United States, which, after all, was struck on 9/11. How does McCain fare in that regard?
McCain-ACLU — the unprecedented granting of due-process rights to unlawful enemy combatants (terrorists).
McCain has repeatedly called for the immediate closing of Guantanamo Bay and the introduction of al-Qaeda terrorists into our own prisons — despite the legal rights they would immediately gain and the burdens of managing such a dangerous population.
While McCain proudly and repeatedly points to his battles with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who had to rebuild the U.S. military and fight a complex war, where was McCain in the lead-up to the war — when the military was being dangerously downsized by the Clinton administration and McCain’s friend, former Secretary of Defense Bill Cohen? Where was McCain when the CIA was in desperate need of attention? Also, McCain was apparently in the dark about al-Qaeda like most of Washington, despite a decade of warnings.
Sorry Fred, comparing McCain to Reagan isn’t going to pull the wool over everyones eyes. Some of us were awake and paying attention when Reagan was in office.
The only thing Reagan and McCain have in common is that they are both male homo sapiens with the difference being that Reagan had balls and a backbone.
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Dude, I am by no means a McCain enthusiast, but get some perspective. He may be wrong on a whole lot of issues, but I think his testicular fortitude should be beyond reproach.
VolMagic on June 23, 2008 at 3:22 PM
yes, in betraying his party and the party’s principals. He has been very in line with keeping the Reagan principal of never attacking another Republican. He has been the MSM #1 tool to go to when they wanted a bad quote from a Republican regarding another Republican.
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 3:24 PM
I still feel the man narrating the ad should be our nominee, but oh well. I actually think the ad wasn’t that bad. What McCain was saying was a good message and if he keeps repeating that, maybe he can win (or at least avoid a landslide).
Reaganite84 on June 23, 2008 at 3:27 PM
So what ya gunna do, make more long lists of what’s wrong with the man until Nov. and then vote for “The Enlightened One” to prove your point.
Think of the alternative: A race-baiting, radical leftist taking over the reins of the greatest country on earth.
Or a man that (addmittedly) has his flaws but is by far still head and shoulders above the Big O.
1GooDDaDDy on June 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM
I take offense to the RINO McCain prostituting the legacy of Reagan. The video should have shown McCain failing at the task of shining Reagan’s shoes. Kind of like Woody Allen in “Take the Money and Run”.
voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Doesn’t it anger you that Fred is trying to convince everyone that McCain is an honorable man, when you and the rest of the world *…snicker* at least, all the good conservatives who …. *snicker* … who know that McCain is the traitor that he is?
Why is Fred betraying you? He should know better. He is, after all, Fred! It’s odd. The man you want to be the next president is “lying to you” about McCain. How can that be?
Can there be – any other – explanation!?!?!?!??!????!
wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 3:36 PM
How many judges did the gang of 14 get though that were getting filibustered?
Also, do you want a President Obama to have the Nuclear Option with a Democrat controlled Senate?
Chakra Hammer on June 23, 2008 at 3:37 PM
And a big P.S.
It shouldn’t ALWAYS be about “the Party”.
It’s about our Country!
Narcissistic “Party wonks” geez…
1GooDDaDDy on June 23, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Maybe he took a page out of your book.
voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 3:38 PM
being a real soldier is harder than playing one on tv.
Chakra Hammer on June 23, 2008 at 3:39 PM
McCain-Feingold – and what will the Reid/Murtha bill look like?
McCain-Kennedy – and what will the Reid/Murtha bill look like?
McCain-Lieberman – and what will the Reid/Murtha bill look like?
McCain-Kennedy-Edwards – and what will the Reid/Murtha bill look like?
McCain-ACLU – BALDERDASH
McCain-Reimportation of Drugs – and what will National Health Care look like?
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 3:40 PM
I wonder if the roles were reversed, if McCain would be doing ads touting Freds! conservative credentials?
We Want Fred! We Want Fred! We Want Fred!
Good news: I can’t watch this from work
Bad News: I will probably watch it when I get home
Just A Grunt on June 23, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Hind site is 20/20, unlike you who know all things at all times oh great one.
I think that party needs to die in order to be reborn. I will sit at home this November, if we have to go through another Jimmy Carter to get another Reagan than so be it. Some things you can settle for. I like Ranch, but I will go with Blue Cheese if they don’t have Ranch. I like red heads, but I married a brunetet. I like conservatives, but I won’t settle for a drag queen dressed as Hillary.
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 3:42 PM
voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 3:38 PM
You’re so amusing when you are talking about yourself.
wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Actually, the explanation is:
Your opinion about Fred is incorrect. Fred knows that McCain isn’t as bad as you and others make him out to be, and with all of his flaws, voting for McCain is an infinitely better option that allowing Obama to be the next president.
wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 3:45 PM
What the Fork are you talking about!
Whats happened to you people?
You have NO vision for what the future holds if the “O” gets elected and you’re still bickering, moaning and whining about BS.
God help us from well meaning people.
1GooDDaDDy on June 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Neither Fred nor McCain can hold a candle to Ronaldus Maximus.
spmat on June 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM
It worked that way once. There’s no guarantee it would work that way again.
I will not be a party to putting an Obama in the White House.
backwoods conservative on June 23, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Yeah, that’s another wishful thinking that the conservatives who want Obama to win are spinning.
And of course, there is no guarantee that if mcCain loses that the electorate will pick a better candidate next time.
When George Herbert Walker Bush was so angrily given the same message of disapproval after his ‘read my lips, no new taxes’ betrayl, the result of the same people’s plan to punish him with the hopes of getting someone better resulted in 8 years of Bill Clinton, and everything that the Clinton’s brought to DC and the nation for eight long years – and then the next president was Bush’s son.
So yeah, how did that work out for you?
wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Finally, a conservative with a pair.
Unlike our other defeatist “intellectualist”!
1GooDDaDDy on June 23, 2008 at 3:59 PM
What Republican are we supposed to put there? The one the MSM gave us? The one that all the commited dems crossed over to put there?
I agree with Rush, if the economy is going to be destroyed, let the dems do it. Also, at least with Barack I know I am going to get screwed, with McCain you never know how he is going to screw you.
It really is amazing, Obama supporters say don’t let his inexperience scare you off.
McCain supporters are chanting don’t let his track record scare you.
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Yeah….four years of a Carter presidency and we are still paying a pretty hefty price…28 years later.
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Oh, I know, don’t sit around and think that a past track record should actually be considered and reviewed and be used to predict future actions of that person. He has screwed every which way in the past, but once he gets into office he will be fine. You can feel free to hold hands and skip on down the road to Narnia and Middle Earth to indulge other fantasies.
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 4:07 PM
If the GOP really wants our (conservative’s) vote, then give us a candidate we can vote for. Our lack of support is the party’s doing not ours. Rid the party of the Bush/Rove and RINO influence and we come back into the fold. If not, then Obama get’s in. That wouldn’t be the conservatives fault, rather the RINO GOP’s fault.
voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 4:10 PM
2008. Obama, or Obama lite.
You keep putting the same Rino’s in office and they will keep rewarding you as they have always done. Do you honestly believe McCain thinks that when conservatives who vote for him are holding their nose when they do so? If he did, do you think he even cares?
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 4:10 PM
There you go again, being a defeatist “intellectualist”!
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Thompson is working for the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) and National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC), who support moderates, rather than the new DeMint Senate Conservative Fund.
jaime on June 23, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Your candidate lost to McCain because he had more votes from republicans in the republican primary than the guy you supported. This is nothing to do with the republican party. But you are so upset now … and you are going to do what – spend the next 5 months here whining with your sour grapes of defeat and wish that you can get as many people to go along with you and not vote for McCain, helping to make sure that Obama wins the presidency …. because of your being pissed off that your candidate lost?
Wow. That’s pathetic.
wise_man on June 23, 2008 at 4:17 PM
So who is the solution for you Robert?
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 4:19 PM
witless man
What exactly is “pathetic” about not supporting a candidate who does not share your views?
flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Way too far. Idiots like McCain are selling the country out to immigrant outlaws and the law abiding citizens are left holding the bill. We are paying to be replaced with a new ignorant class that is far easier to corrupt and control with government benifits programs. And of course, we good guys face the old government shakedown program we have seen so many times before.
It’s kind of like the Jesse Jackson Rainbow shakedown racket.
saiga on June 23, 2008 at 4:20 PM
If it’s any consolation to you, I doubt that you’ll be paying a price 28 years after either a McCain or Obama presidency. The country won’t survive either one.
flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:22 PM
I’m a 58 year old Viet Nam vet. I lived thought the “Jimma” years.
We’re still paying for his wacked out lefty vision of the world.
You have heard about Iran right…shut down gas stations etc.
I and my country can’t afford another “O” or Carter like Prez.
Narcissistic “Party wonks” geez…
1GooDDaDDy on June 23, 2008 at 4:25 PM
Wow. So the country will be destroyed by either candidate.
So the same question I gave to RobertInAustin….who is the solution for you? Who will save the country from being destroyed? As you seem to believe that Obama or McCain will be the end of the country then who do we elect to keep that from happening?
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Been there. Agree 100%
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 4:27 PM
You’re serious? You do know it was all the cross overs dems and independents who put him in the post. Unless, you really think Republicans put him there.
5 months of his being upset will beat hands down of 4 years of you posting “I can’t believe it, he F’d us again, that SOB! Why didn’t we see it coming?”
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Is it about the country? Or is it about McCain? Some will think this is wrong thinking, but here it goes:
I don’t need anyone telling me about what I need to do for our country. I’ve been doing it and more for 21 years. I would lay down my life for my country and have proudly put on her uniform every day for over two decades. I don’t mean to be condescending, but stop with the “you need to think of your country” meme.
We are dealing with a decision about voting for a man. A lot of people have a problem giving that vote to a man who they feel is less than deserving of it. If you peal back the layers, that’s what it comes down to frankly.
I have a problem with a man who has done what he has to conservatives and to Republicans. There is no dispute about his negatives – none. Saying he is better than Obambi isn’t the point. I’m not voting for Obambi, so don’t tell me not voting for McCain is a vote for Obambi, it cheapens the argument and turns everything into an ad hominem attack.
Obama isn’t the issue for conservatives, McCain is. Anyone who says they will vote for Obama to diss McCain wasn’t going to vote Republican to begin with so they should be out of the discussion.
McCain has more than a few issues that scare conservatives, the “base”, to death. Until he effectively addresses those issues, those who have problems with McCain will continue to.
MY vote is worth more to me than a simple “vote against the other guy” argument (this is a liberal/leftist argument as far as I’m concerned). I want to know that the person I am voting for is worthy of that vote. If my vote didn’t matter, I’d be in messianic euphoria like the Obamatons. I’m a conservative precisely because my vote matters.
My vote is supposed to encapsulate my beliefs, my philosophy. It’s the physical manifestation of what I’ve been doing with my life for 21 years. And I am not going to sacrifice everything my vote represents – my service, my intergrity, my honor – for the sake of “Well, he’s better than the other guy”.
If I sacrifice my OWN principles in such a manner, then what difference does it make what happens to the country?
Ask yourself that question.
Anyone who wants my vote should earn it. My vote isn’t a default judgement.
I don’t OWE my vote to anyone!
I don’t give a damn who the guy is.
catmman on June 23, 2008 at 4:29 PM
A few months ago I predicted this would be a common theme this year: McCain wrapped in various conservative wrappers. The problem is that once the Trojan Horse is unwrapped McCain leaps out and the wrapper falls away.
It’s an obvious tactic and it makes sense that they would try it seeing as McCain isn’t about to make an honest attempt to appeal to conservatives.
FloatingRock on June 23, 2008 at 4:29 PM
He oozes testicular fortitude when it comes to attacking people on the right. When it comes to people on the left, like his “good friends” John Kerry and Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy, McCain suddenly becomes a enunch. Hell, he won’t evel allow other Republicans to attack Obama. I’m sure he’d be disgusted at all the Obama bashing that goes on here.
flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:30 PM
There you go thinking again, don’t you, if you think through the issues are are being nothing more than a defeatist “intellectualist”!
Don’t think, just follow.
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Aside from the fact that Carter is still alive and causing some damage to the country and the world, I think that it’s more accurate to say that America is still paying a price for the 60′s—more so than the Carter administration, at any rate. There were liberals and socialists before the 60′s but now the human byproducts of the 60′s are running many of our institutions.
FloatingRock on June 23, 2008 at 4:33 PM
oh stop it. Cheap shot on his looks, there’s nothing popeye about McCain, and there’s nothing out of place.
John the Libertarian on June 23, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Again…
So if not McCain, and not Obama, then who? How do we rescue the country? I’m all ears.
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 4:35 PM
Pick a name at random out of the phone book. You’re unlikely to come up with anyone as left wing as those two clowns.
And what do you mean with this “you seem to believe” stuff? You “seem to believe” that we all must vote for McCain because you “seem to believe” that Obama will be the end of the country. Why so surprised that some people feel that way about both candidates?
flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Not my words. Yours. I’m asking for a solution. I am not telling you to vote for anyone. I’m asking who will you rise up to take the reins?
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 4:38 PM
But you’re not. You’re asking this as what you think is some smart-assed rhethorical question. You don’t care what the answer is.
flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:38 PM
catmman said:
*yawn*
I’m so sick of these people who out of narcissistic grandeur put their principles over the country. I’ll say it again with gusto: judicial nominees. Judicial nominees. Judicial nominees.
If Obama wins by one vote, you have my eternal scorn.
John the Libertarian on June 23, 2008 at 4:39 PM
I am a highly principled person who will not a support a politician who doesn’t share my views. You sellout your principles, drink the kool aid and support a terrible GOP candidate.
And you have the gall to call me a defeatists? Look in the mirror pal.
voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 4:41 PM
Look, you don’t get to say that Obama will destroy the country (as you do) while you get away with suggesting that McCain (with essentially the same policies) will save it.
Or perhaps we’re talking of two different countries.
flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:41 PM
If either Obama or McCain win, you have mine.
flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:43 PM
In other words there is no solution in your book. There is no one who can change (again in your own words) ‘The country won’t survive either one.’
So I guess it’s off to your new country then. I’ll register at the border and ask for a green card.
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 4:43 PM
This guy ———-> catmman on June 23, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Honestly, I was a Fred! supporter. I knew when he didn’t go after McCain that I had been had. Honestly, I will not vote for POTUS seeing that neither running is worth my vote. Obama is who Obama is, I don’t agree with him, but he is true to his ideology and his parties ideology. I respect that. But McCain doesn’t have the guts to cross the isle and join the party he is more in line with. McCain is like the communist who wants to join the party but thinks he can own private property and those who don’t agree with him are just Narcissistic “Party wonks”.
No, its called if you don’t hold to the platform, then go and join the party who does because if you think everyone has to change because you don’t want too, then you are just being a Narcissistic “wonk”.
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 4:44 PM
I was agreeing with you, I was poking at others by being sarc, I think you missed it.
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 4:45 PM
I haven’t found one for ’08 yet, but one thing is for sure, rewarding negative behavior begets negative behavior. If you have a problem with your dog soiling your carpet because he was improperly trained, and try to train him to go outside by hugging and petting him every time he soils the carpet, the problem will only continue to get worse and the possibility of proper training will only become more elusive.
FloatingRock on June 23, 2008 at 4:45 PM
No, that is your book.
Your reading comprehension is poor. “Either one” does not suggest “no one”.
Fine, I’ll give you a name, just to watch you move on to your next talking point. Jim DeMint.
flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:47 PM
My God, you sound like a liberal, becuase in the end of the day every vote doesn’t count, just 8.
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Fair answer. All I can respond with is that I don’t wish to give up on the country we have. Me. Not you. Me. My choice.
My principles. My vote. The McNo’s have no special claim on principles, conservatism, or this country.
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Put him on the ballot and he might find my vote next to yours.
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 4:49 PM
You’ve made the classical narcissistic mistake of thinking that those who disagree with you are wrong and only your view is the correct one.
FloatingRock on June 23, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Missed it for sure. I was a little distracted by the govt breaking my b@$$! with a new audit. Sorry for the misread…
voiceofreason on June 23, 2008 at 4:50 PM
And what the hell do you imagine you are doing in supporting McCain? How is that NOT losing the country?
flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Get off your butt and help me put him on the ballot and stop defending McCain.
flenser on June 23, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Look folks, I’m not too crazy about having McCain for Republican nominee either. But the plain truth is the 2008 primary cycle is over. It has boiled down to having either Obama or McCain for president. People may choose to vote for one of these candidates, vote third party, write-in, or not at all as they choose. But there is no realistic hope for avoiding having one or the other of these candidates as our next president.
I certainly agree that conservatives have been let down this time. What I suggest is looking for ways to bring about change in the process. Pressuring the GOP to give us more closed primaries and trying to get better candidates into the system in the lower levels of government to work their way up would seem better for us in the long term.
backwoods conservative on June 23, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Come here, someone needs a hug!
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 4:53 PM
John the Libertarian on June 23, 2008 at 4:39 PM
I rest my case.
catmman on June 23, 2008 at 4:57 PM
I just did a Draft-DeMint search. It came up blank. You have a link?
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Agreed, it has to start at the grass roots. If the conservatives who run locally don’t govern in the way they said they would, then they need to get the boot. People running for office need to get the message that if they don’t keep their commitments in their first term, then there will not be a second.
I think too many think that if we can just get a strong conservative as the POTUS, then everything will change. Truth be told, nothing will, not if you have a lot of RINO’s biting at his feet and working against him.
Salvation from socialism and liberalism will not come from above, it needs to begin at the ground level, grass roots.
After all, the only person who starts out at the top is a grave digger. The rest of us have to work our way up.
I will put into practice this election cycle what I will be doing locally, I will look at your record, if you do not hold to the ideals of those whom you want to vote for you, I will not vote for you. I will vote for a devil I do know against one I don’t.
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 5:00 PM
“Better the devil you know than the one you don’t”
With respect:
I’ve done my 13 months in combat. I’m mostly thinking of my two small sons and their future in our country.
I find this comment a little troubling coming from an obviously honorable and well spoken man.
Again with respect to you, it makes a very big difference to me that we all preserve what all those that have given their sacrifice in keeping this republic free. Deserting ones obligation to ones country is far more less desrving than to ones self.
Just my thought.
1GooDDaDDy on June 23, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 4:48 PM
That too is a fair answer.
I didn’t say I would never vote for McCain. Nor did I encourage anyone not to vote for McCain.
I wrote what I wrote. I’m wrestling with it and will continue to.
catmman on June 23, 2008 at 5:03 PM
We know Obama will screw us, we don’t know how bad or hard McCain will.
So, Obama is the devil we do know.
RobertInAustin on June 23, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Also fair. Honestly McCain was #4 on my list. I’ve done plenty of hollering, e-mailing, letters, and plain old hair pulling. I’ve been around for a bit and been voting since 68. If I could revive Nixon I’d be here trying to bashing everyone over the head with him. For me it is about who is and isn’t on the ballot. At this point I can’t change it, barring some unforeseen event. Call it pragmatism, or whatever.
Limerick on June 23, 2008 at 5:09 PM
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