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posted at 2:05 pm on June 23, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Al Sharpton may get another chance to distract everyone from the massive IRS investigation into his personal and professional finances by seizing on another Don Imus eruption.  This morning, Imus discussed the case of Adam “Pac-Man” Jones, the NFL player that sat out 2007 with disciplinary suspensions and has been arrested a half-dozen times since being drafted the previous year.  While Imus’ news announcer talks about Jones’ desire to drop his nickname — it’s too “negative” now — Imus startled him with a question:

Imus: “What color is he?”

A: “He’s African American.”

Imus: “Well there you go… now we know.”

This may not be quite as overt as “nappy-headed ho’s”, but in listening to the clip, you can almost hear the smirk on Imus’ face as he replied to the answer. Put that together with the preceding “What do you expect at a nightclub?” sequence, and it looks like WABC may find out how it felt to be CBS Radio and MS-NBC in the prior controversy. Imus has not learned much since, it appears.

What difference would Jones’ color make in this case? Why would Imus even think to ask? I’m among those who think he got treated far too harshly the last time, but quite obviously Imus has …. issues.

Update: Michael Calderone picks up on this story at Politico as well.  If the RedLasso clip isn’t working for you, Politico has the audio.


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I get a kick out of this. Black Hip-Hop stars have the right to say anything, but grouchy, old, White cowboys are pushing the envelope of the Constitution.

Hening on June 23, 2008 at 5:06 PM

And its also important to note, there is no such thing as fair. Depending upon a person’s position, job, title, etc comes varying responsibilities. We have different expectations for different people. That is not always a bad thing. Its sort of natural. There is often a logical reason for why we hold different people to different standards. Naturally there will be a more severe collective penalty if a CEO of a major company spews racist dribble in a newspaper than if a roofer is overheard expressing the same language while lumping bundles of shingles up a ladder. We hold those with greater influence and responsibility to higher standards than those who don’t find themselves in that position. Its the free market at work. Its the government dishing out penalties for “impropper” speech that should concern us. If Imus pays a penalty for this it should be through the forces of the free market and not the forces of government. I think thats the bottom line.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM

eplain on June 23, 2008 at 5:30 PM

I understand that many people complain about double standards when it comes to talking about race, but Imus’s comment fails the most basic smell test. This is the wrong case to use to try and attack racial double standards.

Outlander on June 23, 2008 at 5:44 PM

I understand that many people complain about double standards when it comes to talking about race, but Imus’s comment fails the most basic smell test. This is the wrong case to use to try and attack racial double standards.

Outlander on June 23, 2008 at 5:44 PM

Well then…WHEN IS? ive been around for a long time and i have heard that comment my whole life. When?…when IS the time? because if you reverse it, black folks say the time is now! always. When is the time for white people to cry foul? I’ll tell you when…never.

eplain on June 23, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Well then…WHEN IS? ive been around for a long time and i have heard that comment my whole life. When?…when IS the time? because if you reverse it, black folks say the time is now! always. When is the time for white people to cry foul? I’ll tell you when…never.

eplain on June 23, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Over time double standards will subside. Just don’t expect that to happen in our lifetimes.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Well then…WHEN IS? ive been around for a long time and i have heard that comment my whole life. When?…when IS the time? because if you reverse it, black folks say the time is now! always. When is the time for white people to cry foul? I’ll tell you when…never.

eplain on June 23, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Apply the truth. And don’t back down.

baldilocks on June 23, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Over time double standards will subside. Just don’t expect that to happen in our lifetimes.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 5:50 PM

OK then. so in my life time, i will back the freedom of speech equally for blacks…AND whites. Imus is a fool. But i will not denounce him for anything he says until we have equal rights under the law.

eplain on June 23, 2008 at 5:55 PM

We should as Senator Bird what he thinks about the situation……

Why can we imbrace the “idea” of Archie Bunker but when he shows his face in society we are shocked???

Bfunky292 on June 23, 2008 at 5:59 PM

Imus was simply referring to the FACT that 37% of prison inmates are black because they choose to live in a lawless sub-culture. So because PacMan Jones is a constant criminal, and is black, the odds are, he embraces this criminal sub-culture and so “now we know”.

Freedom of speech, but only if you hate America.

kirkill on June 23, 2008 at 6:24 PM

In reading this, it could have been funny. A sarcastic, “well there you go!” would have made me laugh because it’s unserious. In listening to the audio, it wasnt funny.

That said, I support his right to be unfunny, and also his employers right to fire him if he says stupid things or hurts their image/bottom line.

Dash on June 23, 2008 at 6:39 PM

I am far more worried about racists statements made by Hussein Obama than Don Imus.

Wade on June 23, 2008 at 6:43 PM

He’s right of course but I don’t think he’ll bounce back from this one.

DCJeff on June 23, 2008 at 6:49 PM

SHUT UP!!

Only black people and liberals are allowed to say these things: all the rest who mention them are racists!!!

landlines on June 23, 2008 at 6:50 PM

SHUT UP!!

Only black people and liberals are allowed to say these things: all the rest who mention them are racists!!!

landlines on June 23, 2008 at 6:50 PM

You could be right but I doubt it. I think if a lefty talking head uttered the same words he would be equally denounced. It should be noted that Don Imus is no conservative. He leans far more to the left than he does to the right. I don’t deny double standards exist. I just find it unlikely that this instance is an example of that dynamic at play. I’m really not sure why many of us hear are utilizing this bonehead comment as an excuse to throw around the liberal media bias victim card. This is just not one of those cases.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Imus will stay on.
He is neccessry for Democrats. He has a conservative audience yet he gives softball interviews to liberals. They died when he was knocked off the air last year. This is an election year. Watch all of this die in a day or two.

Corky Boyd on June 23, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Yes, Now we know.

old trooper on June 23, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Well there you go…it’s Imus fer Kay-rist sakes…SEE..I’m pointing out the correlation between big mouth Imus and controversy, and everybody realizes the implied connection….Therefor, when Imus says “well there you go…now we know” he is pointing out the correlation between an NFL athlete, who has been disqualified for an entire season, who has been arrested 7 times, who is involved in a nite club scene, and this particular athlete’s race which is African American…and because of overwhelming statistics, everybody understands his implied connection….PC notwithstanding, it is an accurate connection and it is too damn bad that those who will howl racism,and phony perpetual rage will never see the shame in the fact that any young person gifted enough to become a draftee of the NFL should throw it all away for so little in return…And why does it happen mostly to African Americans???

b4lucy on June 23, 2008 at 7:29 PM

OK then. so in my life time, i will back the freedom of speech equally for blacks…AND whites. Imus is a fool. But i will not denounce him for anything he says until we have equal rights under the law.

eplain on June 23, 2008 at 5:55 PM

We do have equal rights under the law. Its just that in practice, double standards emerge driven by left wing white guilt. Affirmative action for example in its contemporary form (not the legal definition) is, in fact, racism. But many people don’t know that Affirmative action is actually a legal term of art. It states that employers when advertising for a job opening are obligated to advertise in both low income and high income communities. The term affirmative action has since been highjacked by lefty thinkers in order to tie it into race and quotas. But originally it has nothing to do with those things and was never meant to. The legal definition has not changed though and so “under the law” we have equal rights. In practice we do not.

You should call out double standards when you see them and continue to strive for a fully colorblind nation. But ignoring white racism against blacks does nothing to move us in the right direction towards a colorblind society. Racism is racism and should always be critisized.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 7:30 PM

I watch and listen to Imus every morning I am one of the bloggers for Imus Times. Imus was making a point it was because he is black, he was being singled out. How come this Crap is starting again? Really anyone hear what Jamille Hill of ESPN had to say a week ago, has she been fired? Puleeze…double standards all day long. George Carlin was right and now he is gone! Pretty soon there won’t be anyone left brave enough to exercize their free speech freedom of expression on the American Air Waves.

So Obama gonna insist that Imus is fired again? Or is it going to be like he treated Rev Jeremiah Wright, you got to take what he said in context and his whole life of good works the totality of the man. No I am not holding my breath.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Imus was making the point he was singled out because he was black he was making the point if he had been another color ethnicity he might not have gotten the same attention or treatment.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 7:39 PM

And once again, the far left will come out and treat him as if he’s some sort of conservative (he fits the profile, rich old white guy), just like they did last time. I’d be interested to see a poll of young adults to see what they believe Imus’s politics are. Just like the Plame affair, Dems on WMDs, Taxes, Dems being the actual “party of the rich”, ANWR, etc. I’d be willing to be the vast majority are clueless.

RightWinged on June 23, 2008 at 7:39 PM

If only Imus had as many listeners as there are people responding to this………….He might actually have a career.

Talon on June 23, 2008 at 7:41 PM

I don’t object in the least to what IMUS says or said - it is his right. What I do object to is the fact that he continuely is referring to how racist the rest of us are. From Katrina to Obama - and the lame pandering he did in hiring his new staff to please the PC crowd. I have enjoyed various bits the Carith and the Powell guy have done, but their appearance on the show is appeasement at it’s best. Amazing how to get power and money - well you know where I’m coming from… I guess everyone has their price.

unaffiliated on June 23, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Imus is a registered Republican so is his wife and he describes himself as a Liberal he has stated many times he is voting for John McCain.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 7:52 PM

What I was suggesting is that the Bell Curve explains a overall lack of general intelligence that leads to poor decisions. Oh, that, and affirmative action.

Andy in Agoura Hills on June 23, 2008 at 4:02 PM

why is it always the dumbest white people who assert that whites are of superior intelligence?

crr6 on June 23, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Imus was making the point he was singled out because he was black he was making the point if he had been another color ethnicity he might not have gotten the same attention or treatment.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Imus has got to be joking with this lame excuse. Did he even pay attention to the things “Pac Man” was convicted of? He has been arrested 6 times for serious crimes since entering the NFL and Imus says the attention he is getting is due to white racism? What a load of crap that is. You can read about the specifics of his legal “issues” here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Jones_(American_football)
Just scroll down to the “legal troubles” section.

Pacman Jones isn’t being unfairly targeted because he’s black. In fact, because of who he is (famous professional athlete) he has been given every break imagineable. If he wasn’t a professional football player he’d be in jail right now. Imus is either purposely overcompensating here or really is losing his mind.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Karith Foster and Tony Powell both have comedy credentials, both have been taking flack from both sides for joining the cast of Imus in the Morning. Again Imus was making a point he was SINGLED out because he was Black. But I am sure this won’t be reported in any kind of “Context” I mean Why would it? MSM looking for something to hype slow news day?

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Imus is a registered Republican so is his wife and he describes himself as a Liberal he has stated many times he is voting for John McCain.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Exactly but both of them are far more left leaning than right leaning. As I said earlier, Imus is no conservative.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Imus has been walking on eggshells since he returned to the Air he goes out of his way not to offend anyone which is impossible and I believe a waste of time he is trying to entertain his audience it isn’t that easy with The Media Monitors looking to jump him every time he opens his mouth. NABJ and MMFA…I do believe this is much HYPE.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Imus never claims to be a Conservative anyone listening to Imus can tell he is Moderate to Liberal. I guess if someone is really dumb they equate Republican automatically with Conservative. Conservatives know all Republicans are not Conservative it appears the majority are. If the Left is trying to brand him as a Conservative it is because he constantly comes to the aid of people like Joe Lieberman Independent Dem. The Far Left does not like Imus.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:07 PM

Imus has been walking on eggshells since he returned to the Air he goes out of his way not to offend anyone which is impossible and I believe a waste of time he is trying to entertain his audience it isn’t that easy with The Media Monitors looking to jump him every time he opens his mouth. NABJ and MMFA…I do believe this is much HYPE.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:03 PM

This is not just hype. He said something that was at worst racist and at best insanely stupid. If he meant it the way most people took it, he made a racist comment. If he meant it the way he is now claiming he meant it then he is completely out of his mind. Take your pick. It is either one or the other.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 8:09 PM

You know there are alot better photos of Imus out there that tired old one from Rev Al Sharpton’s radio show above is really old. Imus is broadcasting right now from Readers Digest, New Mexico where he has a ranch for children with cancer…cause you know that is what old white racist do they help sick kids (Sarcasm)

http://imustruth.typepad.com/index/2008/06/were-we-go-agai.html

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:11 PM

No I don’t think so, you say he is INSANE if he made a statement I hear and read constantly that Black people are profiled more then other ethnicites REALLY you want to go with INSANE? Imus isn’t a racist he does think black people get targeted by the Police more then other ethnicities he isn’t the only one.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Why would it have to be one or the other? I don’t get who gets to decide what someone meant by a soundbyte (Their Intent) Oh yeah Imus must be a Racist because Rev Al Sharpton said he is, oh yeah sure then it must be true. SARCASM.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:15 PM

This is posted On Imus Truth, this is Imus’s own explanation.

Here We Go Again…
The bloggers are jumping on Imus for a joke he made this morning on suspended professional football player, Adam “Pacman’’ Jones. When Warner Wolf said that Jones no longer wished to be called by his nickname — so that people might forget his record of multiple arrests in recent years — Mr. Imus asked, “What color is he?’’

“He’s African-American,’’ Mr. Wolf responded.

“Well, there you go,’’ Mr. Imus said. “Now we know.’’

The story is spreading fast– it has now been picked up by several websites as well as the Associated Press and the morning network news programs are planning to cover it as well.

It appears Imus won’t be taking this one sitting down. The New York Times’ Jacques Steinberg says he emailed Imus, asking what he meant by the comment. Steinberg says Imus wrote: “I meant he was being picked on because he’s black.’’ He added that Dick Gregory, a veteran comedian and activist who is black, would be a guest on his show on Tuesday, to discuss the death of George Carlin. “We’ll see what he thinks,’’ Mr. Imus wrote. “I mean…come on!’’ CLICK HERE

And then there’s this from Al Sharpton: “It has been reported to me that statements were made by Mr. Imus this morning and National Action Network has monitored his show since his return. I find the inference of his remark disturbing because it plays into stereotypes. Any use of stereotypes is always counterproductive. We will determine in the next day or so whether or not his remark warrants direct action on our part as we did in April of last year.”

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:17 PM

Imus never claims to be a Conservative anyone listening to Imus can tell he is Moderate to Liberal. I guess if someone is really dumb they equate Republican automatically with Conservative. Conservatives know all Republicans are not Conservative it appears the majority are. If the Left is trying to brand him as a Conservative it is because he constantly comes to the aid of people like Joe Lieberman Independent Dem. The Far Left does not like Imus.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:07 PM

I agree. Nobody here was equating Republican and Conservative though. Some people on this thread jumped to the conclusion that becauae the media attack dogs were hounding him he must be conservative. They were using this incident as a teaching moment about media liberal bias. I have been trying to explain that their premise is flawed because Imus is no conservative. Imus is a liberal Republican. He is being attacked, as he should, because he made what appeared to be a racist comment. But now we know everybody misunderstood his comment and, after hearing his explanation, it is clear to me that he is just a shameless moron attempting to fasten his lips more tightly to Al Sharpton’s rear end.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Why did he even ask the race of the player? Why did it matter?

baldilocks on June 23, 2008 at 8:24 PM

baldilocks

Imus believes that Black people are profiled more by the authorities, his point as stated above is Pacman would have been signaled out. I don’t think this has anything to do with Al Sharpton.

Zetterson, when was the last time store security followed you around while you were shopping? This isn’t Pandering or Insane, it is a reality for many. Why shouldn’t Imus be able to comment on the issue? That is a better question isn’t Imus an American Citizen? Doesn’t he have the right to remark on current events?

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:30 PM

Why did he even ask the race of the player? Why did it matter?

baldilocks on June 23, 2008 at 8:24 PM

According to Imus’ statement he was attempting to insinuate that because Pacman Jones is black he was being treated unfairly by the media, the league and by the police. Considering the nature and the magnitude of the crimes Mr Jones committed with a mind boggling frequency throughout his adult life Imus’ explanation is almost more loathsome than his originally perceived racist statement. Pacman Jones is nothing more than a habitual criminal. Period. He is not being “unfairly targeted” because of the pigmentation of his skin. He is being fairly targeted for being a scumbag serial crime committer.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Phil Boyce and Patrick Gottsch are not Les Moonves or Phil Griffen. So if people are waiting on a renactment of last year they are going to be disappointed. 77WABC and RFD TV are much better networks and don’t abuse their talent.

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Civil rights leader Al Sharpton, one of the chief critics who successfully pushed for Imus’ firing from his televised radio show last April, criticized Imus’ comments today.

“I find the inference of his remark disturbing because it plays into stereotypes,” Sharpton said in a statement. “We will determine in the next day or so whether or not his remark warrants direct action on our part.”

WABC and Citadel Broadcasting Corp. Vice President Phil Boyce said Imus would be explaining his comments on his Tuesday morning show and it was unlikely the broadcasters would take disciplinary action against him.

Boyce said Imus had explained his words in a private conversation this afternoon and the explanation was satisfactory.

“I think some people may be misunderstanding what he meant,” said Boyce, who declined to go into further detail.
Through a spokesman, Imus declined to comment. Jones’ attorney did not immediately respond to an e-mail.

Rutgers University women’s basketball spokeswoman Stacey Brann said there was “no need to revisit the past” and wouldn’t comment further.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:34 PM

Zetterson, So you think whoever arrested him knew who he was so signaled him out Correct? Imus stating the obvious that is all he was doing.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:36 PM

I don’t think this has anything to do with Al Sharpton.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:30 PM

What are you talking about?

According to Imus’ statement he was attempting to insinuate that because Pacman Jones is black he was being treated unfairly by the media, the league and by the police. Considering the nature and the magnitude of the crimes Mr Jones committed with a mind boggling frequency throughout his adult life Imus’ explanation is almost more loathsome than his originally perceived racist statement. Pacman Jones is nothing more than a habitual criminal. Period. He is not being “unfairly targeted” because of the pigmentation of his skin. He is being fairly targeted for being a scumbag serial crime committer.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Agreed. I’ve said much during the whining white guilt that preceded the execution of Stanley “Tookie” Williams, terrorist of my neighborhood, not theirs.

baldilocks on June 23, 2008 at 8:42 PM

I’m getting in to this late, but I think Imus made the remark in reference to Pacman’s name, not the criminal status.

jimmy the notable on June 23, 2008 at 8:43 PM

Zetterson, when was the last time store security followed you around while you were shopping? This isn’t Pandering or Insane, it is a reality for many. Why shouldn’t Imus be able to comment on the issue? That is a better question isn’t Imus an American Citizen? Doesn’t he have the right to remark on current events?

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:30 PM

He has the right to say what he wants to say and I have the right to call him a moron for saying dumb things.

So, you and Imus, essentially believe that racism has driven good ol’ pure hearted Pacman into a life of crime? So which crime of Pacman’s was a direct result of being followed by a mall security guard? Was it his first assault conviction or his sixth? You know what, you’re right. Pacman has had it tough. We shouldn’t be tossing his behind in jail and convicting him of crimes, we should just turn our backs and pretend there isn’t a problem while he beats another young woman nearly to death. Yeah, awesome, Pacman Jones. Great choice of people to defend Don. Well done man.

This should never have been about race Dr Evil. Imus has chosen to make this about race in a truly idiotic fasion. This guy is a pure scumbag and Imus has made a decision to defend one of the most horrific people to to walk on American streets for no other reason than to score points with Sharpton and Jackson. The only reason he’s decided to muster up a defense for this career criminal is because of the answer to the question he posed: “what color is he?”

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Dr Evil, if you’re going to take over this thread, try some spell-checking and proofreading.

leftnomore on June 23, 2008 at 8:45 PM

Same ol’ same ol’.
White people have no right to breathe.
Black people can do whatever.
Price we pay that our stupid ancestors delved into slavery.
But no one seems to remember that our ancestors also fought and died to end slavery worldwide.

carbon_footprint on June 23, 2008 at 8:47 PM

Imus believes that Black people are profiled more by the authorities, his point as stated above is Pacman would have been signaled out. I don’t think this has anything to do with Al Sharpton.

Are you referencing a point I made at my blog? That’s a separate conversation. The point made there is one I’ve talked about repeatedly there.

baldilocks on June 23, 2008 at 8:50 PM

Agreed. I’ve said much during the whining white guilt that preceded the execution of Stanley “Tookie” Williams, terrorist of my neighborhood, not theirs.

baldilocks on June 23, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Yes baldilocks! I am totally with you. The “Tookie” Williams ordeal immediately came to mind the second I got wind of Imus’ “explanation” for his statements. Exactly. Right on the money. The same dynamic is at play here.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 8:51 PM

Zetterson, when was the last time store security followed you around while you were shopping? This isn’t Pandering or Insane, it is a reality for many. Why shouldn’t Imus be able to comment on the issue? That is a better question isn’t Imus an American Citizen? Doesn’t he have the right to remark on current events?

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:30 PM

I can tell you when the last time was for me (that I noticed). About twenty years ago when I was in the age group that’s more likely to steal.

baldilocks on June 23, 2008 at 8:52 PM

I’m getting in to this late, but I think Imus made the remark in reference to Pacman’s name, not the criminal status.

jimmy the notable on June 23, 2008 at 8:43 PM

Not according to Imus’ explanation.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 8:52 PM

leftnomore I don’t care if you can’t read.

http://www.myspace.com/getoffmyphone

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:52 PM

I can tell you when the last time was for me (that I noticed). About twenty years ago when I was in the age group that’s more likely to steal.

baldilocks on June 23, 2008 at 8:52 PM

baldilocks, your intellectual honesty is refreshing. Your only agenda is truth. Thank you.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 8:54 PM

So Pacman is a criminal and Imus pointing out he might have gone unnoticed if it wasn’t for his skin color is irrelvant because you all believe the sterotype?

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:56 PM

So Pacman is a criminal and Imus pointing out he might have gone unnoticed if it wasn’t for his skin color is irrelvant because you all believe the sterotype?

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:56 PM

Believe what stereotype?

baldilocks on June 23, 2008 at 8:58 PM

So Pacman is a criminal and Imus pointing out he might have gone unnoticed if it wasn’t for his skin color is irrelvant because you all believe the sterotype?

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:56 PM

No, what I’m saying is the guy is such a giant criminal that his skin color is irrelevant. If Yao Ming was a six time convicted criminal scumbag he would be under the same media microscope. So far as I’m aware there are quite a few African American NFL players. Not all of them take the same media beating Pacman takes. Why? Answer: Because nobody else is as blatantly and frequently committing terrible crimes. Imus’ defense of this bastard is one of the most shameless and cowardly things I’ve ever seen.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 9:03 PM

It seems abundantly clear that Imus has some racial stereotypical thinking. That point’s hardly worth discussing.

How should broadcasters be required to treat it? That’s what needs discussion, IMO.

But I’m a libertarian (conservative), so what would I know?

petefrt on June 23, 2008 at 9:09 PM

Dr Evil, it seems as though you are so heavily invested in the defense of Don Imus that you cannot possibly bring yourself to see this for what it is. I could present you with video footage of Don Imus murdering a puppy and you would defend his actions to the death.

Zetterson on June 23, 2008 at 9:09 PM

Believe what stereotype?
baldilocks on June 23, 2008 at 8:58 PM

When I was 16 I wired two Selectric typewriters so that you typed on one but it typed on both. Stereo Typing.

Beto Ochoa on June 23, 2008 at 9:10 PM

WABC, I listen to you all the time. Imus annoys me to no end. He is a lib and is not enjoyable to listen to. Since Laura Ingraham is in a chaotic situation with her network, hire her! This is the grand opportunity to get a great radio host who is witty, smart, and has common sense!

jencab on June 23, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Phil Boyce and Patrick Gottsch are not Les Moonves or Phil Griffen. So if people are waiting on a renactment of last year they are going to be disappointed. 77WABC and RFD TV are much better networks and don’t abuse their talent.

Dr Evil on June 23, 2008 at 8:34 PM

They did drop their morning hosts when Imus became available, reportedly because he was getting higher advertising rates. If this remark undermined Imus’ ability to hold onto advertisers the suits will do what they had to for shareholders.

dedalus on June 23, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Are you entitled or better than playing the tired assed victim card?

I do not buy any of that trash.

old trooper on June 23, 2008 at 10:36 PM

Imus called it right.

old trooper on June 23, 2008 at 10:58 PM

I’m not advocating anything Imus has said. It’s obviously an ad hominem fallacy used to judge someone based upon something other than their thoughts, words or deeds.
I have two questions though: 1) Is there a name for the culture that glorifies “bling”, that advocates the end justifies the means, propagates gangster rap played at very high volumes at intersections, promotes unintelligible English, etc.? I’m sure you all get the idea. What term can we apply to this so that we may address this bankrupt culture that’s invaded our society? This is a cultural, not a racial problem.
2) When will a prominent political figure bring up cultural rather than racial issues before the election?

Send_Me on June 23, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Send_Me on June 23, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Are you refering to “Gangsta” culture? Bill Cosby has been vocal for years about these types of problems.

dedalus on June 23, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Are you refering to “Gangsta” culture? Bill Cosby has been vocal for years about these types of problems.

dedalus on June 23, 2008 at 11:54 PM

If that’s the term we can use, then cool. I know Bill Cosby has done a lot of work in this area, and I’m grateful for him. I’m just wondering by what term folks without any pigmentation can use without suffering the attacks of racism. Race and poverty are often referenced as sources of the societal ills, but culture very rarely is. I wonder why.

Send_Me on June 24, 2008 at 12:17 AM

I think the lawyers use a tool in their arguments called “stipulation”. I am not a lawyer.

But it might be constructive in these idiotic race flame threads to stipulate some points before we go off on weird race-tangents.

In this one, those who want to rip on the seemingly general criminality and immorality of black male athletes for whatever reason might have been wiser to stipulate up front that Imus is a fool and a knucklehead. This prevents you from having to try and figure out what the hell he was saying and why.

It actually sounds like he was crossing over to the “they’re picking on poor Adam Jones because he is an oppressed black man” schtick, but I stipulate that Imus is a jerk, so I don’t have to care what he meant.

Jaibones on June 24, 2008 at 12:27 AM

I did not read through all the comments so if someone already mentioned it:

This is of course another offensive statement by I-man, but no more offensive then what Will Smith said today.

You know I just, I just came back from Moscow, Berlin, London and Paris and it’s the first, I’ve been there quite a few times in the past five to 10 years. And it just hasn’t been a good thing to be American. And this is the first time, since Barack has gotten the nomination, that it, it was a good thing. You know the-

Is it?

kahall on June 24, 2008 at 12:27 AM

7 8 9 10 11 or 234327

Words you can’t say on the radio if Rev AL, Jessie,
or any wannabe word victim is listening

Texyank on June 24, 2008 at 12:39 AM

I’m definitely not a fan of Imus but I don’t see anything wrong with what he said. You can’t ask what a person’s race is these days? HotAir, please.

When you ask about race, you ask about culture. Our race is strongly tied to our culture, for all of us. To deny these things is just stupidity for all concerned.

TexasBella on June 24, 2008 at 2:47 AM

You’re going into PC overload HotAir for no reason at all.

TexasBella on June 24, 2008 at 2:56 AM

Stereotypes are there for a reason, because they are based on truth.

It’s late and I have to get my redneck ass to bed. ;)

TexasBella on June 24, 2008 at 3:20 AM

If Imus were a black man and said the same thing about a white man, would anyone care?

coldshot on June 24, 2008 at 4:19 AM

LEAVE DON IMUS ALONE!!!!
BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAA

Kini on June 24, 2008 at 4:21 AM

Ed - “Imus steps in it again?”

Good grief. I certainly hope conservatives are not now getting all squeamish about what this radio host says (…or am I missing the CYA aspect of this post?)

Not that the quote you cite is in any way controvertial, but isn’t that why lots of these folks were once (still?) called “shock jocks”?!

Lockstein13 on June 24, 2008 at 6:50 AM

Kevin Cannessa over at The Hudson Line raises a good point:

And while I am at it: Again, would someone please tell me how it’s possible the Associated Press could run to the buffoon and scum of the earth Al Sharpton to ask him for a comment on Imus today, when Sharpton is himself currently under investigation more than just about any other living American? Can someone please tell me how it is possible that the self-professed, self-loving bigot himself is even allowed to appear in the newspaper for reasons other than his own transgressions? Read More

Dr Evil on June 24, 2008 at 7:13 AM

Imus is on right now giving them all hell for trying to get him over what was obviously him making a point many many others have. He stated they may be out to get me but get real over this? Me pointing out he is getting arrested because he is black profiled. The Press is outside the window and Tony Powell is making alot of funny observations.

http://www.wabcradio.com/article.asp?id=531472

Dr Evil on June 24, 2008 at 7:15 AM

In related news, Dog is back on the air, Wed nights at 9. I saw an ad for it on A&E, and checked. So I guess he finished all of the sensitivity seminars.

rightwingprof on June 24, 2008 at 8:19 AM

From Zetterson:

“Black Hip-Hop stars have the right to say anything…”

Yes, folks have the First Amendment to cover their hatred. I think all the rap stuff about “bitchs” and “hos” is disgusting, although they have a right to say it.

Imus probably does have “issues,” as do many cranky old rednecks out there: http://southernsassoncrime.com/?p=1138

Donald Douglas on June 24, 2008 at 8:36 AM

From Zetterson:

“Black Hip-Hop stars have the right to say anything…”

I think all the rap stuff about can be disgusting, but they have a right to it.

Just as cranky old rednecks can use the First Amendment to hide their hatred: http://southernsassoncrime.com/?p=1138

Donald Douglas on June 24, 2008 at 8:41 AM

What an idiot

Whether you agree with him or not, he’s still stupid. He’s a got a tanking career on the line from the last stupid comment he made and now this…

Good thinking Imus.

lgodfrey88 on June 24, 2008 at 8:41 AM

Corrected from above:

“I think all the rap stuff can be disgusting, but they have a right to it…”

Donald Douglas on June 24, 2008 at 8:44 AM

It’s a simple fact that Imus’s speech can be censored, since free speech is an outdated concept in this country anymore. But, you cannot censor his thoughts. And that’s what chafes the socialists. Cut his tongue out but his brain still functions unless you kill him.
Rev Al Charlatan was on Fox this morning, hemming and hawing. He hasnt decided in his words, to “take action” yet. I guess he has his own problems nowdays. Why Fox keeps giving this racist hate-monger credibility is beyond me. Maybe that why I dont watch them as much as I used to.

abcurtis on June 24, 2008 at 10:54 AM

That said, I support his right to be unfunny, and also his employers right to fire him if he says stupid things or hurts their image/bottom line.

Dash on June 23, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Agreed. His employer does not guarantee Imus the right to free speech. They provide him a platform, they can control to a certain extent what he says. It’s when the government steps in with the Kennedy hate speech laws that is the real problem.

abcurtis on June 24, 2008 at 10:58 AM

I’m just wondering by what term folks without any pigmentation can use without suffering the attacks of racism.

Send_Me on June 24, 2008 at 12:17 AM

None probably. However, in order to combat Political Correctness, one has to stop being afraid of confronting it.

baldilocks on June 24, 2008 at 11:21 AM

When you ask about race, you ask about culture. Our race is strongly tied to our culture, for all of us. To deny these things is just stupidity for all concerned.

TexasBella on June 24, 2008 at 2:47 AM

I think that’s complete bs.

I’m white. What culture is that? What are my cultural stereotypes? What does my skin color tell you about me that you can’t learn from just reading my posts?

Besides, if there’s nothing wrong with his stereotype, then why’d he say he didn’t mean it that way? Even Imus doesn’t agree with you, at least not after the fact.

Esthier on June 24, 2008 at 11:56 AM

The “Race Industry” lives in the good ol’ US of A and look who’s still the CEO, Chairman and lead torchbearer, Rev. Al.

as for Imus, give him a break, it’s oxygen deprivtaion or ssumthin’, ignore him like millions already do. use the knob or switch. click. off.

normsrevenge on June 24, 2008 at 12:35 PM

E gads. Someone please chop his face off.

Akzed on June 24, 2008 at 12:55 PM

I’m white. What are my cultural stereotypes? What does my skin color tell you about me that you can’t learn from just reading my posts?

Esthier on June 24, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Well you’re white… that tells me that you are racist, jobs are just handed to you, your life is easy, you have never faced any adversity. The list goes on and on. All of these advantages make some white people feel guilty. So they do and say things to prove that they are in fact not like the rest of us bad white folks. Some spend time posting in forums or on blogs condemning other whites for their terrible behavior. Some try to act as if they were black. It seems that a very large number of these guilt ridden whites are willing to make a man POTUS simply because he is black.

coldshot on June 24, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Being at least part native American, it’s my self aggrandizing opinion that everyone else in this country, no matter how they got here, are racist and I want you ALL TO LEAVE NOW!!!! That means you too irreverent or should it be irrelevant Al.

PatriotPete on June 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Imus is a tard but so is Sharpton. After the good Rev from Obama’s church it takes some real guts for shocked and indignant people to come down too heavily on Imus. He didn’t even approach the vulgarity and racist views of Trinity.
Hey ya racists, take the beam out of your own eye first.

thatcher on June 24, 2008 at 7:47 PM

I can totally believe that if someone doesn’t know the race of an individual then they may not know details of his 6 arrests. Not that you MUST know race above everything else. But his excuse doesn’t seem all that crazy.

freevillage on June 25, 2008 at 1:31 AM

It isn’t an excuse he was being Sarcastic. Someone explain the rules of broadcasting on air to me puleeze what can you say on air in a Free Country? Oh look nevermind.

http://getoffmyphone.blogspot.com/2008/06/well-that-was-weird.html

Dr Evil on June 25, 2008 at 8:06 AM

Thanks For Playing, Seeya next Media Witch Hunt.

http://imustruth.typepad.com/index/2008/06/message-to-the.html

Dr Evil on June 25, 2008 at 8:08 AM

He’s obviously not very bright. Anyone worth his radio god salt knows you keep a throw down negroe handy to dispense with the insults. Dumbass should have hired dude he could hand off the comment to, a black dude who would say the nastiest raciest things against people of his similar affiliation (this is all such a bad stupid joke) and then hand the show back to Imus. Aristocrats!

pc on June 25, 2008 at 8:13 AM

And that’s what you do to shove the double standard hypocrisy straight down black popular culture’s collective throats. Let em bath in their double standard.

pc on June 25, 2008 at 8:16 AM

WHEN WILL EVERYONE STOP INTERPRETING WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAYS!?!?!?!?!!? When Barrack says something unintelligible, the pundits and the media jump up and say “well I think what he meant to say was…” or some other lame and inane defense. Imus says “What color was he” and “Well there you go” and somehow he is accused of calling all blacks thieves and murderers who eat their children and hates Obama. Stop the talking head idiocy! How does anyone but Imus know what he meant! What are we all that stupid or gullible?!?!?

PatriotPete on June 25, 2008 at 10:15 AM

PatriotPete,

I watched O’Reilly last night the guy he had on was sure he knew what Imus really meant not what Imus said but what Imus must have been thinking. That’s right now we have the “Thought Police” first the “Word Police” and now they have extended their rules to what someone must be thinking. Orwell is spinning rapidly in his Grave. I think we should make Orwell’s book 1984 mandatory summer reading for all Americans, offer it free somewhere online.

Imus has a black producer Tom Bowman aka BigFoot who left MSNBC and came over to Imus when he came back in Dec., he has two black cast members comedians, Karith Foster from Plano, Texas, and Tony Powell who lives in NYC with his wife who is an author Linda Nieve Powell. Imus has been having people on to talk about Race in America since he returned he said, he was going to do it and he has, yesterday was Dick Gregory today Carl Jeffers. Imus has said, No it isn’t a rating grabbing topic but I said I was going to do it and he has. Imus already diversified, is he not allowed to comment on anyone not the same color or gender as himself? Is this United States of America or the old Soviet Union? The first person to use the term Politically Correct was Joseph Stalin…this isn’t American Culture- PC Speech that is Socialist Culture.

Meanwhile he has lost 3 people, who are very close to him Hamilton Jordan who helped him establish the Imus Ranch for Children with Cancer and Blood disorders, Tim Russert who came back on with Imus in Dec a good friend who knew Imus should never have been fired the first time, and George Carlin who was on the first week Imus came back on air..he told Imus before he returned in Dec I want to be your first guest back. None of these MEN wanted Imus to be off limits or for people to be afraid to be his guest…you know people like who work for Newsweek and Time Mag., afraid of the rite rev al sharpton. Imus found out who the stand up people were last year when he got fired…and now 3 of them are gone.

Imus is supporting John McCain for President so maybe Obama’s proxys are targeting Imus because Imus is not on the MEDIA BANDWAGON for OBAMA, it is like the MSM doesn’t even try and pretend they are for anyone but Obama.

Dr Evil on June 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM

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