Hot Air Exclusive: Fred Thompson on Obama’s Boumediene Folly Update: More at PJM
posted at 6:42 pm on June 22, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Earlier this week, Senator Fred Thompson held a press conference on the Supreme Court’s Boumediene decision and the reaction to it from Barack Obama. Afterwards, the Obama campaign dug up a quote from Senator Thompson in which he said that Osama bin Laden should get “due process” as a defense for Obama’s support of Boumediene — which shows that Obama doesn’t understand the decision or due process. Senator Thompson responds publicly and exclusively at Hot Air:
Our Democratic friends are once again scrambling to defend Senator Obama’s latest national security gaffe.
Obama supports the recent Supreme Court majority opinion in the Boumediene decision, which extended for the first time habeas corpus rights to foreign enemy combatants held abroad. The Senator went even further than the Court and said that accused terrorists should be tried in American courts as was Omar Abdel Rahman, “the blind sheik”, who masterminded the first World Trade Center bombing.
Last week, in a call with reporters and bloggers, I pointed out Obama’s folly. The Rahman case demonstrates some of the main reasons why we should not treat enemy combatants as ordinary criminal defendants. Such proceedings potentially compromise results, sources and methods of intelligence gathering. In the course of prosecuting Rahman, the government was compelled to turn over a list of un-indicted co-conspirators to the defendant. That list included the name of Osama bin Laden. We later learned that within ten days a copy of that list reached bin Laden in Khartoum, letting him know that his connection to that case had been discovered.
My comments apparently caused the DNC to send out an A.P.B. for anything that might help their candidate out of this problem. Their “Googling” efforts revealed the fact that last year I pointed out that bin Laden would have to be given due process when he is apprehended.
Given that our Democrat friends apparently don’t understand what “due process” means for enemy combatants, they probably thought they had found a silver bullet for their candidate. For them, my statement supports Obama’s argument for terrorist trials in United States courts.
Of course, it doesn’t. Under several centuries of British and U.S. law, enemy combatants, especially those who are foreign combatants, do not have the same rights as American citizens. This does not mean that they cannot be given certain rights. In 2005, under the Detainee Treatment Act, Congress provided enemy combatants arrested and held abroad with certain procedural rights, such as the right to detention hearings where they may call and cross examine witnesses, etc. It was the due process to which all such prisoners were entitled at the time of my statement last year.
This is a far cry from a trial in a United States court, which Senator Obama would grant them.
The military tribunal process which the Supreme Court threw out last week provided more “due process” to enemy unlawful combatants than any which preceded it — and certainly more than Obama’s oft-cited Nuremberg trials, which provided neither habeas corpus nor any appeals whatsoever. Barack Obama may want to study Nuremberg before using it as an example, because all it proves is how wrong he is.
Update: Fred expands on the due process available to detainees at Gitmo before Boumediene in a new column at Pajamas Media:
- The right to hear the bases of the charges against them including a summary of any classified evidence
- The ability to challenge the bases of their detention before military tribunals modeled after Geneva Convention procedures. As Robert’s pointed out, some 38 detainees have been released as result of this process.
- The right, before the tribunal, to testify, introduce evidence, including exculpatory evidence, call witnesses, cross examine the government witnesses and secure release if and when appropriate.
- The right to the aid of a personal representative in arranging and presenting their cases before the tribunal.
- The right to have the government search for and disclose to the detainee any evidence reasonably available to it tending to show that the detainee is not an enemy combatant.
- The right to appeal an adverse decision from the tribunal to the Federal DC Circuit Court along with the right to employ counsel and secure release if entitled to it.
- The right to petition the DC Circuit to remand a detainee’s case for new tribunal consideration if the petitioner comes up with newly discovered evidence
- The right to require the Department of Defense (DOD) to conduct a yearly review of the status of each prisoner including the right to have the Secretary of Defense review any new evidence that may become available relating to the enemy combatant status of a detainee.
- As a part of that yearly review, the opportunity for the detainee to explain why he is no longer a threat to the United States, which could lead to his release.
- The DC Circuit can order release of the prisoner, and the head of the DOD Administrative Review Boards can, at the recommendation of those panels, order release upon an appropriate showing.
It’s worth pointing out that 38 detainees won their freedom through the use of this due process. Be sure to read the entire column for more insight.










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Get em Fred!
(If the AP picks up any of this HA exclusive material I expect HA to get an invoice cut and in the mail ASAP).
Limerick on June 22, 2008 at 6:56 PM
That’s pretty cool.
see-dubya on June 22, 2008 at 6:57 PM
Once again Fred! hits the bull’s-eye. I’m happy McCain is letting Fred do his talking.
jaime on June 22, 2008 at 6:58 PM
I do not know if Obama is uninformed or if he thinks everyone else. Recently he cited the Nuremburg Trials as an example of American due process, but the Nazis did not have access to American courts. However, I wonder if Obama would support creating a Nuremburg style system for the Gitmo detainees, since he thinks that is a good example. But then again, that would mean a military tribunal.
Terrye on June 22, 2008 at 7:00 PM
I love Fred!
Sue on June 22, 2008 at 7:06 PM
Excellent Fred! I love how he points out how uninformed Obama is about Nuremburg.
boomer on June 22, 2008 at 7:07 PM
Oops maybe that was Ed! that pointed that out.
boomer on June 22, 2008 at 7:08 PM
Fred! Nomen est omen. The name is the sign. I’ll say it again, if McCain/GOP were to run the POTUS campaign on Fred’s Constitutional platform, we would win the election hands down!
Obama gives us pig latin in which the donkey scratches the donkey, Asinus asinum fricat.
Pacta sunt servanda! Agreements should be obeyed! (Besides military law, tradition and treaties, this applies to Obama’s flip/flop on campaign finance as well.)
Supreme Court: Summum ius, summa iniuria.
Highest law, greatest injustice.
Nullum crimen sine lege, nulla poena sine lege.
No crime and no punishment without a pre-existing law. (That would also clear DeLay’s name, denied his day in court.)
maverick muse on June 22, 2008 at 7:09 PM
Fred! isnt talking for mccain. mccain’s policy of closing gitmo on the first day accomplishes the same thing as this supreme court ruling. Fred! even slapped mccain w/ that observation while he was still a candidate.
chasdal on June 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM
The Nuremburg trials also provided the death penalty as one of the punishments that could be imposed upon defendants who were found guilty. Is Obama now flip-flopping on his opposition to the death penalty?
Also, didn’t Krauthammer say last week that the trial in the first World Trade Center case exposed more than just the name of unindicted co-conspirators to the terrorists? It also exposed the fact that U.S. intelligence agencies were monitoring some of the terrorists’ phone calls — information which then led the terrorists to change the manner in which they communicated with each other.
AZCoyote on June 22, 2008 at 7:13 PM
Obama knows nothing about the trials of Nürnberg and that was a puerile attempt at appearing grown-up – out of his league.
On the enemy combatants, shoot them on the battle field. The argument about the ‘information’ we receive is not worth it.
The lefties are after the decojonification (yes aengus, I know, but I adore this version) of the U.S.A., and diminishing the military machine is a core facet ot it.
Entelechy on June 22, 2008 at 7:15 PM
For lack of any witty, intellectual reply that comes even close to 1/10th of how magnanimous this is: Sunblock. Aisle 9. Burned.
TheEJS on June 22, 2008 at 7:16 PM
Obama’s penchant for a Nuremburg style of trial is all about grandstanding before the world, nothing else.
OldEnglish on June 22, 2008 at 7:20 PM
It’s no wonder Obama is so anxious to avoid debating McCain. It’s not that McCain’s a great debater (far from it), it’s just that Obama’s positions are so idiotic that once he is forced to state them and try to defend them, he’s going to be skewered by media commentators who review his debate performances.
All those moderate, independent voters that Obama needs to win — they’re going to be hearing a lot of things they won’t like.
AZCoyote on June 22, 2008 at 7:32 PM
Fred! for Attorney General.
Mallard T. Drake on June 22, 2008 at 7:33 PM
FRED!
Another look at FRED!?!?!
.
And maybe our youngster obama-weenie should study the history of wars fought by sovereign countries wearing uniforms, and terrorists without uniforms, even combative civilians in a war zone.
.
And wasn’t Nuremberg AFTER the war had ENDED?
shooter on June 22, 2008 at 7:33 PM
VIVA FRED…GO GET’EM!
Did anybody have a notion that a Muslim like B. Hussein O., would actually be harsh on another Muslim?
Like with the Clinton’s, uniform-less combatants would be tried on a case by case basis, in our federal courts, at taxpayer expense, thereby enriching ACLU attorneys.
The full impact of this SCOTUS stupidity, hasn’t been played out yet!
byteshredder on June 22, 2008 at 7:36 PM
I loved Fred’s column before he started running for POTUS. He has his niche and he does it oh so well. Fred needs more airtime. He could demolish liberals in a debate over Boumediene.
Theworldisnotenough on June 22, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Excellent.
Bob's Kid on June 22, 2008 at 7:44 PM
Exactly. Obama can’t run from McCain until November. If McCain gets good airtime with his townhalls and the media air footage of him needling Obama because he chickened out would be priceless. Obama would make excuses about the Republican attack machine and say big media debates are enough. He’ll probably run from Charlie Gibson. Charlie would throw him a curve ball that Obama does not have a focus group approved answer for, then we get a flurry of uh’s as an answer.
There is a long way to go until November. Obama has not been to Iraq yet but I’m betting his post Iraq visit is already written.
Theworldisnotenough on June 22, 2008 at 7:47 PM
You would think that “Mr. Harvard Law School Graduate” and “Law Professor” would have an appreciation of a legal matter. I have a feeling that Hopebama bull-shitted his way through law school the way he’s bullshitting the world today.
Jeff on June 22, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Way to get the big fish, Ed.
Sen. Thompson is absolutely correct. But, we’ve known for a while now that this election won’t rest on silly things like “facts” and “policy.” I mean, haven’t you seen the signs? It’s all about Hope and Change.
I hope, if he is called upon, that Sen. Thompson would work with a McCain administration, if only to provide pithy and understandable responses to the distortions and half-truths issued daily from the DNC.
The more Clintonite our response to terrorists, the more likely we will be hit again. One of the lasting postive legacies of the Bush administration is that he finally put us on the correct footing for dealing with this threat. And returning the fight to the courtroom is just one of the follies that an Obama administration would bring.
-From an enduring Fred!-head.
VolMagic on June 22, 2008 at 7:51 PM
Fred, you make me proud I voted for you.
tmitsss on June 22, 2008 at 7:52 PM
With apologies to all the fine people at Hot Air, AP, Ed, and Michelle, why isn’t Fred! on O’Reilly, or H&C, or any other dozen shows on cable news.
Here is a conservative news junkie’s wet dream: Fred! on Countdown dismantling Keith Obermann piece by piece until there is nothing left but a pair of horn-rimmed glasses and a jar of hair gel.
Mallard T. Drake on June 22, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Cue tommylotto, csd, and BKennedy in 5…4…3…
MadisonConservative on June 22, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Rudy.
Chakra Hammer on June 22, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Giuliani:Obama Lacks Judgement on Terror –watch that.. Rudy for Attorney General.
Chakra Hammer on June 22, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Is Fred! Thompson going to win this election for McCain?
ApartforHaShem on June 22, 2008 at 8:10 PM
I seem to recall Khalid Sheik Mohammed asking for a lawyer when he was first caught. Al Qaeda was counting on a limp, legalistic response from us, and they got GWB’s 2 front war instead. They expected to face prosecutors, we sent Predators. Now the Messiah in his infinite wisdom wants to grant the terrorists the conflict they wanted, under their rules. If you set out to be stupid, naive and malicious to the American cause in the GWoT, could you do better than the 5 Supremes and Obama?
trubble on June 22, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Sweeettttt. Didn’t TEH FRED!!! mention that he read Captain’s Quarters in a past interview?
malan89 on June 22, 2008 at 8:17 PM
On second thought, I will agree with you.
Fred! for Secretary of State.
Mallard T. Drake on June 22, 2008 at 8:19 PM
I Fixed it for you pal.
1GooDDaDDy on June 22, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Fred for Supreme Court Justice or Attorney General.
jencab on June 22, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Outstanding!
LodeStar on June 22, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Why did McCain supported him instead of Fred? Can you imagine how exciting it would have been if we have Fred as a GOP nominee? I still don’t understand does weenie moderates as they call themselves. You should be blamed if the Republicans lost the election to a radical leftie Obama.
mariloubaker on June 22, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Well done.
Weight of Glory on June 22, 2008 at 8:31 PM
The issue here is not about closing GTMO. It’s about extending the benefits of The Great Writ to enemy combatants, and about giving enemy combatants access to U.S. civil courts.
jaime on June 22, 2008 at 8:33 PM
This world is gone mad. Proof? This guy isn’t the candidate, but somehow McCain (who can’t even barely rally the base) IS. Boggles the mind.
TheBlueSite on June 22, 2008 at 8:37 PM
By the way- if Obama is arguing we should give all the rights of the US Constitution to terrorists hell bent on destroying us- when do they get the right to vote? Or the right to the pursuit of happiness? Life and liberty? How would you gather a jury of their peers? Ship over a busload of nutjob jihadists to decide their fates?
If given the right to vote. Which candidate do you think they would vote for? Which candidate would make their lives worse?
Nonsense.
TheBlueSite on June 22, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Fred! for SCOTUS, SoS, AG, something! VP?
davidk on June 22, 2008 at 8:52 PM
J/K people….don’t get your panties into a bunch.
malan89 on June 22, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Snicker. Good times. GOOD TIMES!
wccawa on June 22, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Friggin’ useless McCain should just step down.
Let a real man win this thing. DAMN, I hate the primaries.
Fred, we miss you. And we will even more down the line.
wccawa on June 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Chasdal:
That is not true. McCain wanted to put the terrorists in military prisons and try them in military tribunals. He helped craft the 2006 bill that set up the military tribunals. It is not true at all that it is the same thing. I just think that McCain knew that the Gitmo detentions would always be a sore point and so he tried to create an alternative that would stand in its place.
Terrye on June 22, 2008 at 9:04 PM
wccawa:
Yeah, that whole democracy and voting thing is such a drag. BTW, Fred Thompson supports McCain. Apparently Fred does not think McCain is useless. They have been friends for years.
Terrye on June 22, 2008 at 9:07 PM
by closing gitmo and moving the prisoners to leavenworth, which is what mccain said he would do, would give them rights under the constitution. many legal experts, including Fred! have said as much.
chasdal on June 22, 2008 at 9:10 PM
The madness of Obama,is so far contained with the over eager Lefty MSM,but through the efforts of the rightsphere
blogger’s that containment is slowly,and factually being
chipped away!
As Fred Thompson,who would make a hell of a Vice President,
knows all to well how the enemy operates,and pointing out
this absolute folly of using Liberal Lefty Lawyer Logic,to
treat and prosecute an enemy thats wants nothing more than
to kill you,your family,the country!
As Fred points out,Obama should study the “Nuremberg Trial”,maybe for that matter,Obama should study World
War Two,actually,Obama should start from the 2nd,or 3rd
century!
Obama is ill-prepared,to lead America!
Obama is un-fit to be Commander-in-Chief!
Obama is un-fit to lead the War on Terror!
canopfor on June 22, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Even I wouldn’t drag something home as foul smelling as they must be.
FeralCat on June 22, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Rudy for Homeland Security, Fred for AG, John Bolton for SecState — the Dream Team.
We need a SecState who can say “Up yours!” in perfect diplomatic language, and with a smile.
njcommuter on June 22, 2008 at 9:12 PM
I loved that I understood all that, I feel like less of a dork when other people use Latin.
Squid Shark on June 22, 2008 at 9:16 PM
It isn’t just moderates who should share the blame. Every conservative pundit/blogger who whined or snarked the not enough energy bs has to share in that as well *cough* michelle *cough* allahpundit *cough*
aikidoka on June 22, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Fred! apparently didnt think mccain was the best choice for President. otherwise he would have never ran against him. that “friendship” might be overblown a bit.
chasdal on June 22, 2008 at 9:17 PM
I think that we assumed that we could cover this with a suspension of HC for the terrorists like the MCA.
The whole GTMO situation made the legal situation worse not better for the administration, I think.
Squid Shark on June 22, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Secretary Gates, Admiral Mullen, and President Bush have all said they’d like to close Gitmo. It’s a festering sore point when you’re trying to proceed with a global counter-insurgency.
The difference between us and them is how we process them, and the Obama way is not acceptable.
I gave $2300 to Fred’s campaign, because he always said (and says) what I want to hear. He’s backing McCain, and I trust his judgement.
✯McCain ’08✯
juliesa on June 22, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Ahhh nothing like the old “blame the moderate” crap.
Squid Shark on June 22, 2008 at 9:19 PM
no way in hell mccain would bring those people in. he’ll probably make hillary AG before rudy!
chasdal on June 22, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Let’s elect Fred.
Fred instead.
flenser on June 22, 2008 at 9:20 PM
well that should take care of it. but this admin. and this congress let the courts ignore them. funny how we the people would just go crazy if the exec. or legis. branches decided to ignore the SCOTUS. this ridiculously high amount of deference for the least democratic branch needs to be re-thought.
chasdal on June 22, 2008 at 9:23 PM
was that meant for me?
chasdal on June 22, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Ditto!
SouthernGent on June 22, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Too late.
What are you talking about, Rudy and Fred are shoe ins for administration positions.
Squid Shark on June 22, 2008 at 9:25 PM
I agree, it is a delecate line. Wwe would not need to walk it if the Court did their job. Which is why us exercising the only check over SCOTUS (electing people to appoint constructionists to the court) is so important.
Squid Shark on June 22, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Believe me when I say there were some morons in my law school class too – most of whom are legislative aides and whatnot. I have also run into lawyers who have so shocked me with their idiocy that I wondered how they passed the bar exam. I categorize BO similarly.
HawaiiLwyr on June 22, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Fred! will not take a job in any admin. just not his style. i think the same about rudy. neither would accept a VP slot either. they are way to much alpha males for that role.
actually, Fred! might accept an ambassador type role, such as Court of St. James or ambassador to UN, but i still think its a stretch.
bolton cannot be confirmed for sec state, the dems hold grudges like no others and also use the confirmation process to punish anyone involved in the bush admin and the clinton impeachment. ask hans van spavosky about that. just shows that they are nothing better than two bit mafia thugs.
so, maybe my original post shouldve have been “mccain may nominate them but they wont serve for various reasons”
chasdal on June 22, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Well done Hot Air and Fred. Slap the little sucker down!
The reality is McCain is running and not a conservative and that’s who we are stuck with. So hurrah for Fred! Hope he keeps it up and doesn’t get too close to McCain who is box office poison.
I went to a big ta-doo for the Rep running for gov in Washington State. All the movers and groovers for grassroots were there hoping to replace our tax- manic gov with a moderate Rep. Everyone was onboard. Money and organization was the order of the day and no one was opposing it. If you brought up McCain is was all snarls.
The state party bigs were for him but the grassroots crowd hated him. Dole wasn’t hated he just wasn’t liked. Long story short they will work for a moderate but not McCain. There is a visceral feeling about McCain. One brought on by betrayal is my guess. No one trusted him and no one wanted to hear about his new and improved positions.
thatcher on June 22, 2008 at 9:43 PM
PS the grassroots are a no bull group. It’s stupid for McCain to think that because he has legislators he has votes. He doesn’t especially in Washington State who tends to hate their Big Hats.
thatcher on June 22, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Doesn’t matter. Much as I hate it, Obama’s going to win. There’s nothing he can say wrong enough to overcome the religious fervor with which his supporters naively follow him.
And we have… McCain, nothing to be excited about.
We lose.
Midas on June 22, 2008 at 9:49 PM
The trouble with this is, the Obama people aren’t smart enough to understand Fred!’s answer.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on June 22, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Terrye on June 22, 2008 at 9:07 PM
STFU and STFD. Seriously. Don’t talk to me anymore.
wccawa on June 22, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Fred is , to me at least, pretty much on a par with Newt. A bunch of self serving hot air. Keep those checks comin’ , Fred; gotta do something now that you’re not on “law and order’ anymore.
tomk59 on June 22, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Great column! Thank you Fred for staying in the discussion.
kerrhome on June 22, 2008 at 9:58 PM
The Boumediene Decision: Everybody pays, lawyers get rich.
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
rockbend on June 22, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Yeah, you may be right. I think I misunderstood your first comment. Sorry.
Anyway, I think Boumediene gives habeas corpus and access to U.S. civil courts to enemy combatants who are not in the U.S.
jaime on June 22, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Obama, Shyster-at-Law: so good, he’s forgotten more about legal precedent and jurisprudence, than the average man will ever will.
Virus-X on June 22, 2008 at 10:16 PM
In 1973 Giuliani was “Associate Deputy Attorney General” in the Ford Administration..
And..
In 1981 Giuliani was “Associate Attorney General” in the Reagan administration, the third-highest position in the Department of Justice.
Chakra Hammer on June 22, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Oh God, I wish that Thompson had been the Republican candidate,, /sob
docdave on June 22, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Unfortunately, Obambi’s followers pay no attention to his schoolboy attempts at ‘positions’. They are like little ducklings; having imprinted upon the momma duck (or whatever else they happen upon), they follow blindly, out of desperate devotion. When asked why, they can only say, “He will bring change,” as if ‘change’ had some magical meaning, like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. “What kind of change?” you ask. “Just ‘change’, something different, the good kind,” they reply.
Obambi is an empty vessel into which the young, the idealistic, the aging but unfulfilled, all pour their inchoate hopes and longings. That he is covertly backed by some of the most insidious forces in the world, the unrepentant leftists from the days of Stalinism and worse, means nothing to them. They will follow this PIed Piper into the gates of Hell without blinking, and they may well pull the rest of us with them. It takes only a majority of electoral votes.
MrLynn on June 22, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Great idea!
Rudy for Attorney General
Feral Cat in charge of sniffing out the enemies
wccawa in charge of shooting them
tomk59 on June 22, 2008 at 9:58 PM – now, now, my friend, I’ve met the gent twice and he’s mighty fine. He’ll annoy the world with finesse and elegance, kind of like Bolton with schliff. As Secretary of State he’ll have a grand arena too. That voice and accent of his, oh that voice…his slow approach to things will endear him to all the leaders and potantates of the world.
Plus, wccawa fille the void at Law and Order.
Good to see that love prevails.
Que Sera Sera…
Whatever Will Never Be…
Damn reality check. It is what it is…
Entelechy on June 22, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Alas, damned potentates!
Entelechy on June 22, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Well said.
jaime on June 22, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Just so.
And E? I’d bring back the guillotine. THEN I’d call the lawyers.
Estate law and all. Y’know.
wccawa on June 22, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Entelechy; just about to sign off for the last time when I saw your post. Check into headlines, “has Bush been underestimated”. This experiment has run it’s course, and been found wanting. Take good care of yourself.
To paraphrase Dorothy in “The Wizard of Oz”, “and you, I’ll miss most of all”.
Good luck, and God Bless.
tomk59 on June 22, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Dear tomk59, do not despair yet. Much as I want to, and do these days, we’re on the road southward, but it took Rome many, many years to go down. We’ve yet much to experience. Have a wonderful night.
Entelechy on June 22, 2008 at 10:50 PM
wccawa, I had no idea that you’re French, or so inclined.
Entelechy on June 22, 2008 at 10:51 PM
It is true that Fred opposes trying Islamic terrorists in US courts. He would rather have them acquitted in biased Libyan courts where the judges are the defendants’ relatives.
I would rather have Obama fight the war on terror than this greedy tool from Tennessee.
tommylotto on June 22, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Don’t give up too easily. Sure, if the election were held today, Obama likely wins. But the election is in 5 months. Lots can happen between now and then. Already, Barry is making so many mistake that the leftist newspapers are catching on and showing some skepticism about his experience and character. Let’s just hope he is on a slippery slope to blowing the whole thing and showing that his “Hope and Change” is about as real as the smoke and mirrors he displays at each campaign stop.
Mallard T. Drake on June 22, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Let’s not get too sad about Fred. Republicans voted for McCain, because they thought he had the best shot this year. Whatever reservations I have about McCain on immigration, McCain is the lesser evil. Obama will be far worse than Jimmy Carter. We want the Democrat winners to be at least as good as Bill Clinton.
thuja on June 22, 2008 at 10:56 PM
STFU and STFD. Seriously. Don’t talk to me anymore.
wccawa on June 22, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Maybe if you stomp your foot hard enough you’ll get what you want. I love Fred, but he’s not the nominee. You can’t make other commenters STFU, either.
juliesa on June 22, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Hahaha. Shows what you know. Obama will never fight the war on terror. Have a little sit down with the whack job in Iran? Yes. Invade Pakistan to find Bin Laden? Yes. Withdrawl our troops from Iraq when they are on the verge of stabilizing the country? Yes. Fight? hahaha. Good joke.
Mallard T. Drake on June 22, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Dear tomk59, sorry, I just now went the the thread on “misunderestimated”, and have not had a chance to read it all. I promise that I will.
In my previous comment I hadn’t grasped what you meant by “experiment”, but now I do.
Listen to me, my e-friend, and at least consider this – I’ve been at the point you’re at quite a few times. It’s a good idea to get away for a while, or to just read. Whenever you feel like it, please do jump back in. This is a great forum and I’d like to have you in the fold. If you look around, some of the strangest attacks have come my way, for quite odd and oft justified, or not so much reasons. I’ve laughed some off, I’ve mocked others, I’ve played dumb with some.
In the end, if you like being here, do stay, do come back, or retreat, of course. You are the master of yourself. But, whatever you do, don’t let others decide. No one is more special and in control of yourself than you. They can only get a hold of your dignity, if you let them. Please never, ever, forget that. Please do at least consider this. I’ll be watching for you because it’s going to be a hard year. We need to stick together, even if we fight sometimes. With the best regards,
Entelechy on June 22, 2008 at 11:02 PM
The Media will not skewer Barama Oback. The Hillary backing media wont either. Look for McCain to be a confused old fool in the debates according to MSM.
malkinmania on June 22, 2008 at 11:05 PM
E; thank you for the kind and thoughtful words. When I make a decision, I change it maybe 1 in a million times.
But, out of respect for you, I will carefully consider your advice.
All the best, Tom
tomk59 on June 22, 2008 at 11:06 PM
ladies and gentlemen; the man who would have been President… Fred never leaves anything open to debate, he shuts down his opponent and moves on to dole out the next tongue lashing. common sense conservatism… oh what would have been Fred, what would have been… sighs
Kaptain Amerika on June 22, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Fred is the president of my dreams. My January heartbreak still hasn’t healed. Ah, what
mightshould have been. Here’s hoping President Maverick will abolish all federal departments and install Fred as the Secretary of Common Sense and Gravitas. Until then, please may he continue as the Ambassador of Smackdown. Cap’n Ed, how did you sneak Fred under AP’s radar?Terrie on June 22, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Let’s not get too sad about Fred. Republicans voted for McCain, because they thought he had the best shot this year. Whatever reservations I have about McCain on immigration, McCain is the lesser evil. Obama will be far worse than Jimmy Carter. We want the Democrat winners to be at least as good as Bill Clinton.
thuja on June 22, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Midas on June 22, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Oh, I don’t know. Maybe we’ll all get used to McCain. Every time we fill up the gas tank and run our carbon-ration debit card through the reader with a picture of McCain’s smiling face beaming back at us we’ll be reminded how much our lives have, um, improved.
FloatingRock on June 22, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Well said. I keep wondering the same thing. It is befuddling to me how many seemingly bright conservatives are willing to believe that Obama is smarter than the average affirmative action phony. He isn’t.
He has never practiced law, after graduating from Harvard Law as a celebrated “first black” editor of the law review. And here, once again, he seems to demonstrate clearly that he knows less about constitutional law than a guy who plays a judge on tv. A lot less.
Of course his supporters are split into two distinct groups: one group that has never voted before, and knows nothing about politics or government, and the other group of highly educated anti-American leftists who think they know the inside joke of his candidacy.
His candidacy is beginning to look like the biggest charade in U.S. Presidential history.
Jaibones on June 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Ok, I’ll bring in my Wonkette persona. F*ck off.
Was that clearer? Would Braille help?
wccawa on June 22, 2008 at 11:58 PM
I know! What a bastard that McCain is. Glad that me and all my friends aren’t going to vote for that SOB McCain and his promised “carbon-ration debit card” that he promised us all on the day he announced his candidacy for president. It’s going to be so much better with Obama as the next president, not McCain, right FloatingRock?? Oh, yeah! You are so awesome FloatingRock!!!
wise_man on June 22, 2008 at 11:59 PM
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