Europe fears Obama on Iran

posted at 11:10 am on June 22, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

One might think that Europe would welcome Barack Obama with open arms, but according to Glenn Kessler at the Washington Post, Obama has them worried.  Key European allies fear a rupture between the US and the Continent if Obama attempts to waive the precondition of enrichment cessation in dealing with Iran.  While they would like to see a heavier emphasis on team play rather than American hegemony, Obama’s insistence on cozying up to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is far out of step with the rest of the West:

European officials are increasingly concerned that Sen. Barack Obama‘s campaign pledge to begin direct talks with Iran on its nuclear program without preconditions could potentially rupture U.S. relations with key European allies early in a potential Obama administration.

The U.N. Security Council has passed four resolutions demanding that Iran stop enriching uranium, each time highlighting the offer of financial and diplomatic incentives from a European-led coalition if Tehran suspends enrichment, a route to producing fuel for nuclear weapons. But Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, has said he would make such suspension a topic for discussion with Iran, rather than a precondition for any negotiations to take place.

European officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said they are wary of giving up a demand that has been so enshrined in U.N. resolutions, particularly without any corresponding concessions by Iran. Although European officials are eager to welcome a U.S. president promising renewed diplomacy and multilateralism after years of tensions with the Bush administration, they feel strongly about continuing on the current path.

Obama’s response?  Dr. Susan Rice told the Post that Europe has failed, and a new approach was needed.   That ought to kick-start a new era in American diplomacy, eh?

While Europe may not care for the Bush administration’s tendency towards saber-rattling, they do not prescribe to the nonsense that dropping the precondition for ending enrichment would somehow make the Iranians more likely to stop.  The EU has been on the front line of this issue for several years, and they have first-hand experience with Iranian lies and double-dealing.  They understand that it will take a strong, united, and dominant front to force the Iranians into retreat on uranium enrichment.

At the moment, Europe has its hands full in pushing Russia and China into recognizing this, even with the US on board.  An Obama presidency would put the US in a position even softer than that of Russia and China and give the Iranians a breath of fresh air.   Obama’s team says such talks would provide the US with more leverage against Iran, but never quite explain how that would work.  Supposedly, failed talks at the presidential level would prompt tougher sanctions from Russia and China, but why would they agree to that when their own failed talks with their own client did not?  Why would they act tougher when the West acts weaker?

What Europe fears is the Chamberlain effect.  When a leader of a democracy gets elected on a peace platform and then meets with the head of hostile states, a tremendous pressure for success grows until the democratic leader starts bargaining to show some kind of victory.  After all, if Obama walked away from Ahmadinejad empty handed, he’d look like a buffoon.   Ahmadinejad would have little pressure to produce anything from such a meeting, except to remain obstinate.

Europe likes to remind people that the preconditions of cessation are European demands, not American, although the US has supported it wholeheartedly.  Obama’s insistence on dropping this precondition in order to score PR points with MoveOn and Ahmadinejad looks a lot less like multilateralism and much more like cowboy diplomacy than anything Bush has done on Iran thus far.  If Obama is to Europe’s left on Iran, what does that say about his foreign policy?


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Europe should fear Obama on just about everything.

Bob's Kid on June 22, 2008 at 11:11 AM

Obama is even farther left than Europe, but most Americans think he’s middle-of-the-road.

jgapinoy on June 22, 2008 at 11:13 AM

European officials are increasingly concerned that Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign pledge to begin direct talks with Iran on its nuclear program without preconditions could potentially rupture U.S. relations with key European allies early in a potential Obama administration

I’m pretty sure Barry has promised to make us more loved by other countries. Those European officials are only a distraction to his efforts.

a capella on June 22, 2008 at 11:16 AM

Europe. Reap what you sow. Obama is as much your creation as ours. You are the cradle of liberalism, the source of that infection. Clean your own house first.

JiangxiDad on June 22, 2008 at 11:17 AM

So why do they hate Bush? He let Europe deal with Iran exclusively. Now thay can look forward to Obama ignoring all rules laid down before he got there. To the democrats, the rules don’t matter, just their whim of the moment.
So enjoy being rid of Bush and rue baby, rue.

Your Jewish Master on June 22, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Obama won’t meet with General Petraus. At least he has SOME standards.

Right_of_Attila on June 22, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Obama is such a lousy candidate he can’t even suck up to Europe convincingly. Even John Kerry could do that.

Missy on June 22, 2008 at 11:20 AM

But, But, But, talking isn’t a sign of weakness. I know because the Messiah told me so. He’s a Lightworker, you know.

oh yeah, I almost forgot.

Racists!

trubble on June 22, 2008 at 11:25 AM

If Obama gets elected, how long do you think it’ll take for them to stop development of defensive missile shield/missile interception technologies.

Because it’s not a force for social justice.

hillbillyjim on June 22, 2008 at 11:25 AM

This is another example (#23,445 for me) of why the argument that we should allow Obama et al. to run Washington for the next four years and then, after they fail, they’ll be overwhelmingly thrown out of office doesn’t make sense.

The damage will simply be irreparable.

And we don’t even need to talk about the courts.

SteveMG on June 22, 2008 at 11:26 AM

If the Iranians were good-natured enough for the Obama approach to work, we wouldn’t be having trouble with them to begin with.

backwoods conservative on June 22, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Without the United States playing the Will Kane role in the world the EU knows it will have to man-up or cave-in. They will no longer be able to play both sides of the fence.

So what will they chose? Man-up or cave-in?

Not hard to figure that one out. Without a Will Kane to lead them the citizens will give Frank Miller anything he wants.

Limerick on June 22, 2008 at 11:30 AM

OBAMANATION!

robo on June 22, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Limerick on June 22, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Great analogy.

Missy on June 22, 2008 at 11:32 AM

The europians aren’t the only ones scared of an Obama presidency, I’m scared as well.

2theright on June 22, 2008 at 11:34 AM

The governments of Europe like to talk softly while we carry the big stick so they can look good to all of the lefties and we can take the heat for being to bad guy. They don’t want a US that will not step up and do the dirty work.

Gwillie on June 22, 2008 at 11:35 AM

If this bag o’crap gets into the Presidency, it will be a day of shame for this country.

TexasJew on June 22, 2008 at 11:42 AM

Fauxbama won’t be elected, so nothing to worry about. No one in the MSM has even started to discuss his Marxist indoctrination via Saul Alinsky, meanwhile the inexperienced Senator buries himself in his own B.S. everytime he opens his mouth…His supporters will be leaving him in droves shortly when they realize he is nothing more than a Chicago politician who will say anything to get elected…

adamsmith on June 22, 2008 at 11:46 AM

… Obama’s insistence on cozying up to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is far out of step with the rest of the West

I wonder what the lefties think of this? They get all of their ‘cool’ ideas from Europe and think the Euroes are the super-awesomest, yet they must follow the teachings of the Messiah. “Oh what ever shall we do?”

Tony737 on June 22, 2008 at 11:49 AM

So, if Obama wins, who’s the first to move to Canada? :-)

nukemhill on June 22, 2008 at 11:49 AM

Can’t we all just get along here? I mean, racism has no place here! What about my children? Aren’t they more important? I bring hope to them, to you, to all of us!

(Roaring crowd)

And in conculusion, quit trying to distract from the serious issues of the day!!! This is the change we need! Change FOR THE FUTURE!

(Roaring crowd)

Thank you, and (censored) BLESS AMERICA!

wccawa on June 22, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Tony737 on June 22, 2008 at 11:49 AM

I have never met any liberal other than a conflicted liberal.

wccawa on June 22, 2008 at 11:55 AM

Limerick, while Europe is well renown for Truffels, wine and watch movements, they’re no longer associated with being able or willing to “man-up” with the possible exception of some Brits and only the rabid German or two. Now, it seems that the EU is slowly being assimilated by the Islamic revolution without a whiff of opposition. Should WE be so concerned with saving those who care not a whit of saving themselves?

44Magnum on June 22, 2008 at 11:56 AM

44Magnum on June 22, 2008 at 11:56 AM

So Iran (by herself) is a threat, but Iran + an Islamic Europe is none of our business?

Sorry. Forting up is a sure fire way to lose a war.

Limerick on June 22, 2008 at 12:00 PM

So, if Obama wins, who’s the first to move to Canada? :-)

nukemhill on June 22, 2008 at 11:49 AM

That presents a larger question. When libs threaten to move after a Rep. wins, we stand to lose our so-called “creative types”– the actors and writers, college professors, and other liberal propagandists. The effects on our country would be in those areas.

If Republicans/conservatives threaten to leave this joint endeavor we call the US, the loss would come from those who join the military, families with children, religious people, and others who produce more “tangible” products–like oil for ex.

So be careful what you wish for, or quip about. You could be left with a US with latte bars and foreign movie theaters, but precious little energy or other products produced, and no one to defend you.

IMO, in a red state/blue state match-up, the blue states are like the South. Lots of passion, but not enough other resources.

JiangxiDad on June 22, 2008 at 12:01 PM

44Magnum on June 22, 2008 at 11:56 AM

I’ve heard that out-migration of white native British and Germans is large, and growing larger.

JiangxiDad on June 22, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Yes, the good-cop, bad-cop technique has been effective for Europe. They’ve winked our way while we’ve played the bully, even as their leaders sneer and demonize us from their secular pulpits.

But now the bad cop seems unstable; he might not understand the game! Now he wants to be a good cop too! Handing out little treats to the murdering bastard who, truth be told, is restrained only by flimsy little handcuffs. Spectators are shifting nervously in their seats behind the glass.

Tell you what, Europe. Help us stomp down our American bolshevik uprising, and then let’s get back to what you apparently have finally recognized as a fight for our very survival.

jeff_from_mpls on June 22, 2008 at 12:03 PM

none of this matters. the O will pull in and spend over 300 million for the presidency. that doesn’t even take into acct the soros funded 527′s which will out spend the Republican 527′s 2:1. He has already started his campaign to reimage himself as a centrist.

But it’s all good since the money will be protrayed as having come from “The People”. So it isn’t like the evil corp money that puts Republicans in office. It will be money laundered through the hands of the common man.

Marxist propoganda at its finest.

TheCulturalist on June 22, 2008 at 12:06 PM

JiangxiDad on June 22, 2008 at 12:01 PM

an Ayn Rand “Atlas Shrugged” moment in the making?

TheCulturalist on June 22, 2008 at 12:08 PM

an Ayn Rand “Atlas Shrugged” moment in the making?

TheCulturalist on June 22, 2008 at 12:08 PM

100%. It’s happening before our eyes.

JiangxiDad on June 22, 2008 at 12:32 PM

JiangxiDad on June 22, 2008 at 12:32 PM

pls let me know when the mountain bunker is finished. i would like to move there.

TheCulturalist on June 22, 2008 at 12:34 PM

We need to stop their shipping and hit their refinery. That’ll get them talking.

Tim Burton on June 22, 2008 at 12:36 PM

TheCulturalist on June 22, 2008 at 12:34 PM

I will let you know when it’s done, if you will let me know where it is.

JiangxiDad on June 22, 2008 at 12:36 PM

Europe fears OBAMA. Hell, he SCARES ME TO DEATH!!!!

pueblo1032 on June 22, 2008 at 12:43 PM

The enemy knows the score. With Obama’s positions of negotiation and his strategy to use the law enforcement model against terrorists the enemy KNOWS it is immune from attack. The test will come early. The enemy will give the AOK for some AQ like outfit (read one without a country) to pull off an attack. Barry will be tied down ‘verifying’ intelligence and keeping his promise to punish only the actual perps. He will have no place to strike. The FBI and CIA will be sacrificed on the altar of CYA, and then he will walk right back into the negotiating room.

The enemy will sit at the table and giggle while feigning no knowledge of the horrible deed.

Limerick on June 22, 2008 at 12:51 PM

JiangxiDad on June 22, 2008 at 12:36 PM

lol, deal

TheCulturalist on June 22, 2008 at 12:53 PM

After all, if Obama walked away from Ahmadinejad empty handed, he’d look like a buffoon

Obama already looks like a buffoon to anyone with a dime’s worth of objectivity.

Cicero43 on June 22, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Europe concerned about Obama? Yeah, sure.

If Europeans could vote they would elect Obama with 75% of the vote. Anytime I read a piece critiquing Obama I assume, until I find otherwise, its the residual supporters of Hillary who never got the memo.

The last thing Europeans want in a US President are core principles. Reagan and Bush were their nigthmares. They want candidates who can be changed with the prevailing winds. They love Obama.

patrick neid on June 22, 2008 at 12:59 PM

If Obama gets elected, how long do you think it’ll take for them to stop development of defensive missile shield/missile interception technologies.

hillbillyjim on June 22, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Barry has already promised to do that here. Obama’s plan for our national “defense” is to unilaterally disarm ourselves, then hope nobody attacks us.

Europe is right to fear Obama. Anybody who understands America’s role in protecting democracy (and not just our own) should fear Obama. He is a disaster waiting to happen.

AZCoyote on June 22, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Only in the United States would Obama be considered a viable candidate for high public office. The fact he is completed inexperienced in every category and run for the leader of the free world could only happen here. He is a marketing tool of leftist benefactors and nothing else.

volsense on June 22, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Amahdinejad would simply own Obama.

He may be crazy and he may be an end-of-days Islamic radical, but you have to give it to the little guy – he knows where he is going and he knows exactly how he is going to get there. He has drive and he has past form worthy of the kind of respect that Obama hasn’t bothered to earn yet. He’s got the nuclear branding done already, he’s got his road map straight from the 12th imam, and he’s going to ride the atomic straight-talk express to the end.

Compared to Obama, a man who has no idea where he is going (except in the vague vicinity of the white house once he wins it) or even how he is going to get there (hence the frequent flip-flops on all matters of core importance), brother Mahmoud looks like a tower of strength and an exemplary leader-type.

He’ll eat Obama alive in any ‘negotiation’.

A few months later he’ll nuke Tel Aviv and send Obama some of his mother’s baklava just to show there’s no hard feelings.

“Hope” and “Change” might lead us to a very unpleasant place indeed.

But I have to admit Obama cuts a fine figure in a suit. I’d vote for him as a non-exec for GQ, hands down.

Ares on June 22, 2008 at 1:19 PM

The United States is the only effective force for international order and security there is. Obama’s promising abdication of this role by adopting a Winnie the Pooh strategy for dealing with the bad guys.

When the U.S. unilaterally disarms, this would leave the Europeans to depend on — dare I say it? — the United Nations.

Good luck with that.

Cicero43 on June 22, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Obama is to Europe’s left on Iran, and Europe is a lot closer to dinnerjacket’s border…so they know that first Tehran will bomb Israel, then they are at risk.

If Obama gets elected, and I think he just might, the world is gonna change alright.

JustTruth101 on June 22, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Cicero43 on June 22, 2008 at 1:20 PM

uh oh, you have spilled the beans, big time

TheCulturalist on June 22, 2008 at 1:26 PM

Showing again that the UN is pointless:

The U.N. Security Council has passed four resolutions demanding that Iran stop enriching uranium, each time highlighting the offer of financial and diplomatic incentives from a European-led coalition if Tehran suspends enrichment, a route to producing fuel for nuclear weapons.

So, the international body will do nothing when their resolutions are violated once, twice, three times, four times…(with Iraq they blew thru 16 resolutions without doing anything). Even while they offer bribes to the offending nation. Pretty please stop what you’re doing…we’ll give you lots of money and honor! I guess none of these people have read The Art of War.

TheBlueSite on June 22, 2008 at 1:27 PM

If Obama gets elected, and I think he just might, the world is gonna change alright.

I heard Obama wants to cut back on missile defence. What exactly is this guy’s agenda?

aengus on June 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Step 1. Get underpants
Step 2. ???
Step 3. Get Iran to stop enriching uranium.

It’s a perfect plan.

BB on June 22, 2008 at 1:48 PM

The United Nations is a collection of eunuchs. They can pass all the resolutions they want to and nobody acknowledges their existence. Iraq had 17 resolutions against them and when the U.S. invaded, most of the members hid in the closet to keep from exercising any authority in doing so.

volsense on June 22, 2008 at 1:52 PM

I guess none of these people have read The Art of War.

TheBlueSite on June 22, 2008 at 1:27 PM

You can bet on it.

TheCulturalist on June 22, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Interesting combination of threads recently.

We have the Europe fears Obama thread pointing out that those in Europe who have been able sit back and haughtily point out their superiority while the US does the hard work are finally realizing that we may no longer be there.

Ironic…

We have the concealed carry permit holder who foiled a bank robbery with many posters getting on and explaining what the sheep would do if they were threatened. Localized example of the gutless UN.

Then the thread from yesterday about the Irish standing up and rejecting the Lisbon Treaty. Seems like the only country over there that has any guts. And, just like those who posted against the man who stopped the bank robber, there were those who posted that the Irish were foolish for not playing along with the French and German overlords.

Just give in, play along, don’t fight it. The rape will go much easier if the victim doesn’t resist. Resistance just makes things so… complicated. And, besides, resistance might just make things, ummm, worse.

It’s no damn wonder things are the way they are.

TheCulturalist on June 22, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Baloney. I know tons of conservatives in Hollywood.

John the Libertarian on June 22, 2008 at 2:38 PM

MM and Jawa Report are saying that Obama seems to have picked up yet another coveted international endorsement: Vicious dictator Kim Jong Il of North Korea wants Obama, and not John McCain, elected President of the U.S.

Let’s see now. Terrorist group Hamas’ leaders have expressed their preference for Obama, as have despots Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, and now Kim Jong Il. And the Iranians may have their nuclear weapons ready to go just in time for Obama’s coronation . . . uh, I mean inauguration.

The Europeans are afraid of Obama? We should all be friggin’ terrified.

AZCoyote on June 22, 2008 at 2:50 PM

AZCoyote on June 22, 2008 at 2:50 PM

What’s the big deal? It’s just the Great Uniter at work. The Lambs will lay down with the Lions.

Of course, by the next morning, after the Lions have had their way with the Lambs they will be picking wool out of their teeth.

But never mind that. It would require actually thinking ahead. No need to do that with the Obama at the helm. He will steer us though the angry waters and bring us to the promised land.

Just get on your knees and pull the lever. So to speak…

TheCulturalist on June 22, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Step 1. Get underpants
Step 2. ???
Step 3. Get Iran to stop enriching uranium.

It’s a perfect plan.

BB on June 22, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Perfect! Can we start referring to Obama’s foreign policy team as the Underpants Gnomes?

jl on June 22, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Europe concerned about Obama? Yeah, sure.
They love Obama.

patrick neid on June 22, 2008 at 12:59 PM

European governments play to the people. It’s the people that love BO but the politicians live in the real world and many see that if the USA goes down so do they. Remember that for a liberal it’s all about the thought and feeling. That is why the dems can get out there and make speech after speech about how anti-war they are and how they will cut funding and end the war but when the time comes to vote they vote against it. Why? Because like the European politicians they live in a real world but have to deal day to day with people that live in a fantasy world. The real world of sane people fears a BO presidency because they know what will happen to not only the USA but to the world when it happens. To bad for the world because I really think it’s unstoppable. I would like to say we reap what we sow but in this case I think it’s more of a case of letting the weeds overrun the garden and at this point how can we weed the garden? When I was a little boy I thought I would live in a fantastic technological world with Moon colonies and flying cars. Never did I consider I would live to see mankind’s destruction though its own stupidity. We all feared the “bomb” and in reality we should have feared the “hippie” who planted the seeds of modern day liberalism which will lead to the end of human kind and very likely in our lifetimes.

jmarcure on June 22, 2008 at 5:46 PM

jmarcure on June 22, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Great comment.

Oh and if things weren’t bad enough read this if you can bear it.

aengus on June 22, 2008 at 6:26 PM

What should scare the Europeans the most is Obama’s tendency to renege on anything.

drjohn on June 22, 2008 at 6:47 PM

Europe fears Obama on Iran

Earth to Europe…Americans fear Obama on America!

byteshredder on June 22, 2008 at 7:53 PM

nukemhill, JangxiDad, Culturalist:

The US is the last stop on the liberty express. Leftists can go to Canada, or Holland, or where ever (though they won’t); we, on the other hand, got nowhere else to go.

Troll Feeder on June 22, 2008 at 8:06 PM

What Europe fears

Screw what europe fears. The snotty bastards helped set the table for the rise of fascism in this country.

peacenprosperity on June 22, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Europe is about to get what they always wanted…and now that they see it, they are recognizing that what they wanted was not such a great idea after all…A weak and vacillating America, under an Obama regime, that will no longer support democracies in the world against aggresive tyrants and terrorists…Be careful what you wish for, you self-centered, socialist idiots, you might get it.

AUINSC on June 22, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Screw what europe fears. The snotty bastards helped set the table for the rise of fascism in this country.

peacenprosperity on June 22, 2008 at 10:04 PM

What BS. Europe is now responsible for the election of American Presidents? Hahaha. I suppose if your favourite team doesn’t win the Superbowl thats the fault of Europeans as well??

Europe is about to get what they always wanted…and now that they see it, they are recognizing that what they wanted was not such a great idea after all…A weak and vacillating America, under an Obama regime, that will no longer support democracies in the world against aggresive tyrants and terrorists…Be careful what you wish for, you self-centered, socialist idiots, you might get it.

AUINSC on June 22, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Another intellectual marvel. If the US elects a liberal President its the fault of people living thousands of miles away because they ‘wished’ it? I see why Ed posts this stuff – it allows people to foist their self-made misfortunes onto foreign peoples they despise.

Bush named Iran as part of the Axis of Evil six years ago and has done nothing to stop them. He also discredited conservatism with his phony-baloney nation-building in the desert plan. No one wants to admit that so you instead you’re sulking over scapegoats. Boo hoo.

aengus on June 22, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Bush named Iran as part of the Axis of Evil six years ago and has done nothing to stop them. He also discredited conservatism with his phony-baloney nation-building in the desert plan. No one wants to admit that so you instead you’re sulking over scapegoats. Boo hoo.

aengus on June 22, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Uh, yeah, I did expect this from you after all…

No, I never conceded that Europe could elect a US president because they ‘wished it’. Learn to read before you post. I’m saying they wanted it and now they have it…big difference…but I don’t expect you to be able to distinguish between the two points anyway…and I know you aren’t American, so I find it funny that you feel so invested in this point anyway….

And yes, Bush has not done enough about Iran…but Obama wants to negotiate with them…what is your point? Oh, I think I get your point…”discredited conservatism with his phony-baloney nation-building in the desert plan”…YEAH, I get you now! “Oh, this Iraq war was such a DISTRACTION from our REAL enemies..we should have been going after BIN LADEN instead of this phoney Iraq War!”

Gee, where, oh, where I have I heard this before…I think I remember now..

AUINSC on June 23, 2008 at 12:07 AM

I see why Ed posts this stuff – it allows people to foist their self-made misfortunes onto foreign peoples they despise.

Oh, and by the way, I see from your blog that you are Irish…based on the recent EU vote in your country (which I heartily appluad, in case you are interested) what makes you think that when I was talking about ‘Europe’, I was thinking Ireland…unless you think that Ireleand = Europe, anyway? I think you may have fired on ‘friendlies’ in your post, but I’ll leave that for you to decide.

AUINSC on June 23, 2008 at 12:27 AM

jmarcure, you stated:

“European governments play to the people. It’s the people that love BO but the politicians live in the real world and many see that if the USA goes down so do they.”

and this

“Because like the European politicians they live in a real world but have to deal day to day with people that live in a fantasy world. The real world of sane people fears a BO presidency because they know what will happen to not only the USA but to the world when it happens.”

I could not disagree more. That’s a Europe that ended 30 years ago if it ever existed. Europe now is Brussels. It’s dhimmitude and multicultural rot. They love Obama. He is their best hope that America, with both Houses controlled by the Dems, to become a Europe lite. They have every expectation that all of Bush’s policies will be reversed. It is their expectation that we will join every world body, especially in the Hague, giving up several bits of our sovereignty.

His inexperience is even more compelling for them. They imagine that they will massage him where they want him to go. They will guilt trip him behind closed doors and he will guilt trip us publicly from the bully pulpit. They wish the election was yesterday.

My back of the envelope estimate of 75% favorability was too low. Today a poll came out putting it upwards of 84%.

patrick neid on June 23, 2008 at 1:17 AM

Europe has conservatives just like we do. Just like us they’re not heard as much.

I spent the summer of ’86 in Switzerland and people were uneasy. Reagan had bombed Tripoli, trying to kill Qaddafi. People were very angry with USSR for Chernobyl, for not telling anyone how bad it was. Switzerland had to recall all their milk products for radioactivity testing.

I was told to expect agressive questioning about US policy. I was on full tact mode and expecting people to be critical. I was so surprised. The people I worked with were like, “Reagan did EXACTLY the RIGHT thing. Qaddafi has had it coming to him for years.” Being a college student from California, I was shocked.

So, we can be misled by the Euro MSM into thinking there is no conservative thought on the continent, just as we are misled by our own MSM.

silverfox on June 23, 2008 at 2:00 AM

Melanie Phillips (Spectator UK) reminds us that Obama
is a Muslim hiding in taqiyya, and he will pull the
USA out of the middle East.
His plan, I think, it to bring about a humiliation of the
USA in the eyes of the world.
I think he feels that will good for our (infidel) souls.
Certainly he will allow Iran to finish getting its
atomic bombs.
But he is probably wrong if he thinks he can avoid seeing
those atomic bombs used.
I would fully expect that in the first term of Obama’s
presidency, we would lose NYC and DC, and Europe will
lose London and Paris. Israel will lose quite a lot.
What happens after that is not predictable.
But certainly Europe is right to fear electing an Arab
who pretends to be “black” to be President.

davem on June 23, 2008 at 5:18 AM

aengus on June 22, 2008 at 11:45 PM

You from great britian? The place with the army that barricaded itself at the basra airport while the mahdi militia took over? The iraqi army did in three weeks what the british army couldn’t do in 5 years.

You guys see any iranian johnboats lately?

peacenprosperity on June 23, 2008 at 7:04 AM

When the U.S. unilaterally disarms, this would leave the Europeans to depend on — dare I say it? — the United Nations.

Cicero43 on June 22, 2008 at 1:20 PM

The United Nations are just a venue. Do you expect the Yankee Stadium to play and win games in Major League?

The nations of Europe will depend on themselves and each other, as they should have all along.

GermanAtheist on June 23, 2008 at 8:28 AM

Europe should also worry abut Obama’s committment to NATO and to their defense against rogue state missile attacks (Iran and N Korea). Obama has been on the wrong side of BMD as well as defnse spending.

More and more I see Obama a product of George Soros. His core advisers are right from the Carter era (both literally and figuratively). Soros believes in a weaker America, so does Obama.

Obama retreats only when it will cost him votes. If you want to see Obama’s philosophy, read up on George Soros.

Corky Boyd on June 23, 2008 at 8:50 AM

The German dude’s faith in the interdependence of the
european community may be misplaced. They weren’t very good
at that in WWII, were they? France went into full appeasement,
Spain said oh no, we’re neutral, Switzerland said come put your German money in our banks.
Europe against the calyphate? No chance – for europe.

davem on June 23, 2008 at 9:01 AM

France and Britain were not strong enough to take on Germany. Iran is a third-rate nation and even with nuclear arms, they could never survive a full-scale war against us.

GermanAtheist on June 23, 2008 at 10:10 AM