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Who’s playing the race card? Update: Audio added

posted at 11:11 am on June 21, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Barack Obama told supporters in Jacksonville that Republicans would launch racist attacks against him in the upcoming election.  Without noting a single supporting piece of evidence, Obama cast any opposition to him as bigotry, and in doing so, recalled just a touch of Joe McCarthy’s tactics:

Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama said on Friday he expects Republicans to highlight the fact that he is black as part of an effort to make voters afraid of him.

“It is going to be very difficult for Republicans to run on their stewardship of the economy or their outstanding foreign policy,” Obama told a fundraiser in Jacksonville, Florida. “We know what kind of campaign they’re going to run. They’re going to try to make you afraid.

“They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?”

The ironic part of this argument is that it ignores the tactics his fellow Democrats used in the primary, while also overlooking John McCain’s efforts to distance himself from the same tactics.  It was, after all, staffers on the Hillary Clinton campaign that sent the photo of Obama in African garb to the Drudge Report.   It was Bill Clinton who suggested that Obama’s victory in South Carolina was no more significant than Jesse Jackson’s in 1988.  It was Hillary who explicitly went after the white, working-class vote in the later primaries that bruised Obama so badly.

John McCain, meanwhile, was a lot more outspoken in criticizing his own supporters for relying on crypto-ethnic references.  He immediately and publicly disowned, without any prompting, Bill Cunningham in Ohio after the radio host enphasized Obama’s middle name (Hussein) in his introductory remarks.  McCain also fired one staffer for e-mailing a Jeremiah Wright video after explicitly saying that his campaign would have no comment on Wright or Trinity United.  Meanwhile, Hillary could only offer a tepid “as far as I know” repudiation of the rumor that Obama is/was a Muslim.

Just as with his untrue statements on Republican financing and 527s, Obama seems content to issue lies and smears in order to inflame the electorate.  There is more than a little hint of McCarthyism in this tactic.  Joe McCarthy waved pieces of paper around and claimed to have lists of Communists in government that he never substantiated.  Obama likes to accuse Republicans of racism without any proof, either, while apparently discounting the real race-card playing in his own party.

If he has proof that the Republican Party and/or John McCain plan racist attacks on him, let him show it.  If he doesn’t, then Obama is guilty of his own racial pandering and should apologize. (in part via TMV)

Update: Copied comments from the Headlines post.

Update II: Baldilocks notes that the demonization has begun.

Update (AP): All I’d add to what Ed said is that Team Obama’s been playing the race card for a long time now. What makes this different is that the candidate himself, for once, has deigned to dirty his hands instead of letting his jerkiest lackeys, like Jesse Jackson Jr., do it for him.

Update (AP): Just in case Team Barry tries to deny he said this, here’s the audio. Big cheers for the siren song of demagoguery, natch.


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Just who started the race thing?

It sure wasn’t McCain or any of the other Republican contenders. They took him on as an equal.

He was “outed” as black by his own party, and his cooperation. After all, he has to deny his white parentage and background in order to be considered black.

Mommynator on June 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM

He was “outed” as black by his own party, and his cooperation. After all, he has to deny his white parentage and background in order to be considered black.

Mommynator on June 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Don’t forget, when he started, he wasn’t black enough.

But this has been the story of Barry’s life. Am I white, am I black, and black enough?

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM

As I wrote in the “headlines” comments about this same story … this little twerp is starting to really piss me off. Period.

Paul-Cincy on June 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM

I suspect that Barry’s rock-concert rallies might be backfiring here. It has to be one helluva ego builder to walk into a packed stadium of 20,000 screaming fans. Maybe Barry should have a talk with Brady and the Patriots about the ups and downs of ego.

Limerick on June 21, 2008 at 12:08 PM

One of Obama’s goals is to provoke his opposition into defending themselves. It’s the old “how often do you beat your wife” ploy. If he can get his opposition “distacted” into spending their time and energy trying to convince the nation that they aren’t secret KKK members, this reduces potential problems they can create for Obama.
Ragnell on June 21, 2008 at 12:58 AM

And if, along the way, he can shake some atypical white racist crazies out of the tree to create some kind of high-profile incident with this race-baiting rhetoric — well, so much the better for a cynical power-hungry politician.

Nichevo on June 21, 2008 at 12:09 PM

He’s sounding more and more like Hugo Chavez, guys.

A Marxist thru and thru.

newton on June 21, 2008 at 12:09 PM

He was “outed” as black by his own party

Mommynator on June 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Heh.

Guilty white liberals on college campi and the Upper West Side: He’s black, which means I’m voting for him!

Most of the rest of the Democrats: Uh, don’t tell anybody, but he’s black.

Appalachian Democrats: I don’t care if his ancestors owned slaves, I still ain’t votin’ for him.

misterpeasea on June 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM

This entire thread is one big circle jerk. You’re all getting hot over something you want Senator Obama to have said when in reality he didn’t really say it. You use it as an excuse to not like him even more.

Nonfactor on June 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM

This entire thread is one big circle jerk. You’re all getting hot over something you want Senator Obama to have said when in reality he didn’t really say it. You use it as an excuse to not like him even more.

Nonfactor on June 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM

You mean he didn’t say this? “They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?”

Ed! I’m disappointed in you, you lying liar!

misterpeasea on June 21, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Where the hell does he get off saying that. That’s a horrible thing to say of someone. Isn’t that…HATE SPEECH! We have to stand ground and start swingin”
Are we going to “Democratically” dissolve our union? I guess were just going to sit by. Hey! What’s Britney doing!

ronsfi on June 21, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Same old race hustle, jive talking, bamboozling and hoodwinking going on. What’s old is new again, packaged as change.

Eventually, everyone will figure out Comrade Obama is just a Marxist who happens to be black.

tarpon on June 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Most people couldn’t care less about your name and your color, Senator Obama. They fear being lead by you because you have no substantive legislative record, you’re a chronic liar and, after explicitly stating that you choose your friends carefully, you have repeatedly and systematically made friends with people who hate this country.

Bingo, Baldilocks. Not to mention my particularly intense fear of Marxists.

Buy Danish on June 21, 2008 at 12:21 PM

Race card, try the whole deck of cards

Kini on June 21, 2008 at 12:22 PM

Yawn.

miles on June 21, 2008 at 12:23 PM

misterpeasea on June 21, 2008 at 12:15 PM

And where in that is the suggestion that any opposition at all is “bigotry”?

Nonfactor on June 21, 2008 at 12:31 PM

Bingo, Baldilocks. Not to mention my particularly intense fear of Marxists.

Buy Danish on June 21, 2008 at 12:21 PM

Could you please substantiate the claim that you (and many others on this blog) make that Mr. Obama is a “Marxist”. He believes that he will lead a revolution of where the proletariat will rise up and seize the means of production, upon which he will wither away the apparatus of the state and develop a classless society? Where has he indicated this, specifically, that he believes in the writings of Karl Marx? Or are you just engaging in the same tired red-baiting?

crr6 on June 21, 2008 at 12:35 PM

I live in Jacksvonille

My wife just made very goo point. Jacksonville has a very large black population. Dems outnumber Republicans slightly, however Republicans dominate local politics.

He is trying to win NE Florida with the black vote by playing the Race card.

I will cover this in more detail on my blog.

Squid Shark on June 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM

Nonfactor on June 21, 2008 at 12:31 PM

Because that is how Obama tacitly frames it every time.

Squid Shark on June 21, 2008 at 12:41 PM

Nonfactor, if he wouldn’t have sat like a dummy in that church for 20 years, and if he would have run in the primaries for president of all the American people, not based on race or anything else, and being black just happened to be, this wouldn’t be such a big deal.

He milked it in the primaries, and now wants that toothpaste back in the tube. Ain’t going to happen. Live with it.

Marxism is marxism.

Socialism is socialism.

Anarchysm is anarchysm.

Emptiness, lack of principles, arrogance, elitism, entitlement, self-appointed inevitablity, identity polictics, flip-flopping, egotism, cockiness, smears, lies, etc. are what they are.

However, they are not racism.

On racism itself, there are racists all over the world, and also in America, also some happen to be blacks. No, I’m not in lalaland, where all is milk and honey, but there is way more, or less to this man, than his color. You’ll see, this country will gladly vote for a substantive and principled minority of any kind, including a woman. They must, however, have a principled and strong foundation. This is the highest job/position in the god-darned world.

Entelechy on June 21, 2008 at 12:41 PM

His whole campaign has been based on race.

I have seen soo many blacks say…I’m voting for him because he’s black. HOw can I not vote for him..hes black? Blacks seem to be afraid not to support him…because hes black.

HIs skin color has no bearing..its his pompous arrogance and lack of experience.

becki51758 on June 21, 2008 at 12:44 PM

crr6 on June 21, 2008 at 12:35 PM

In short, what men/women do, not what they say matters. It’s the only thing which matters.

It’s his associations, and his wife’s writings/sayings.

Entelechy on June 21, 2008 at 12:45 PM

AAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!

Calling Obama black is like calling a chocolate chip cookie a chocolate bar. He is first an AMERICAN, second half white and half black. And seeing that his father was merely a sperm donor and his mother raised him (and Barack is now focusing on his mother in recent ads) I think we can give his white side the edge 51:49.

Obama is plenty scary because of his policies, but definitely NOT because of his race.

cannonball on June 21, 2008 at 12:48 PM

Jacksonville has a very large black population. Dems outnumber Republicans slightly, however Republicans dominate local politics.

For this to be the case, Jacksonville must not have many other traditional democratic constituencies. Interesting demographics.

I’ve only experienced places where large minority populations, plus the other assorted Dems = huge Dem. control.

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2008 at 12:48 PM

We are a “Republic”, a nation based on a system of laws, not a “Democracy”, based on majority rule. Our Founding
Fathers greatly feared democracies, as they historically have all ended in chaos and failure.

We also elect our presidents and they don’t get to inevitably appoint themselves, while oozing entitlement to such a high position, for any reason, which is what Barack and Michelle are doing.

Entelechy on June 21, 2008 at 12:50 PM

Obama is plenty scary because of his policies, but definitely NOT because of his race.

cannonball on June 21, 2008 at 12:48 PM

Too many people and groups have a vested interest now in him being black. He must run as black. But no one will call him black so he has to do it himself.

Black=victim+untainted. That’s an appealing message for liberals.

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM

The first to play the race card was Michelle Obama when she said that Obama as a black man could get shot at a gas station. It was right out of the blue in that interview but a good 1st indication of how she sees America.

Funny.. Obama was post-racial before Iowa then became Black after SC now he moving towards not-really-black for the general.

Texas Gal on June 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM

OMG – I am starting to understand BDS. (Not that I think it is/was in any way warranted). If this racist idiot who is using reverse psychology on the nation actually gets into office, I am going to be angry for years!!! This guy actually makes me think “Hillary was not so bad”. Now I am going to go chop off my fingers for even typing that Hillary comment and will be spending the rest of the morning washing my brain out with bleach for even thinking it….so this is what it is like to have ODS.

HawaiiLwyr on June 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM

crr6 on June 21, 2008 at 12:35 PM

It doesn’t matter what he says. He’s already proven himself a liar several times over. His own pastor said he is just a politician who says whatever is expedient. So, we look at the evidence. His background, choice of associates and spiritual leaders/theology, Marxist teachers and parents, voting record, choice of advisors in his campaign,…and so forth.

a capella on June 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM

For this to be the case, Jacksonville must not have many other traditional democratic constituencies. Interesting demographics.

I’ve only experienced places where large minority populations, plus the other assorted Dems = huge Dem. control.

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2008 at 12:48 PM

We dont have many of the others. This city has very few blue collar workers, the hispanic population is not politically active and the ones that are are mostly Cuban. Our most prominent African American politician is a Republican.

It would be a tough sell but racial politics are still very resonant in this town, more than any other big city in FL.

Squid Shark on June 21, 2008 at 12:57 PM

this has been the story of Barry’s life. Am I white, am I black, and black enough?

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Precisely! BHO has his own huge internal hangups. Until he gets himself squared away in sound mind, he will not function as a public servant in public office, let alone as POTUS.

maverick muse on June 21, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Just watch the ubertards PC nix on “public servant” terminology!

maverick muse on June 21, 2008 at 12:59 PM

Thanks for linking to Baldilocks blog…she has a great way with words, e.g.:

Most people couldn’t care less about your name and your color, Senator Obama. They fear being lead by you because you have no substantive legislative record, you’re a chronic liar and, after explicitly stating that you choose your friends carefully, you have repeatedly and systematically made friends with people who hate this country.

She nail Barack ‘BIG Brother’ Obama!

KarmiCommunist on June 21, 2008 at 1:00 PM

…ubertards….
maverick muse on June 21, 2008 at 12:59 PM

Heh.

Beto Ochoa on June 21, 2008 at 1:02 PM

This, on top of his pretend Presidential seal and his flip-flops has me laughing at him anytime I see his face.
He looks like either Tom Hanks or Robin Williams in one of those little-kid-stuck-in-a-grownup body comedies.
Only now the kid has suddenly found himself in the body of someone who wants to play President, instead of playing sheriff.
So he builds himself a fancy seal, instead of getting a shiny badge.
I swear, Obama is a candidate straight out of The Onion.

hunter on June 21, 2008 at 1:03 PM

The real question is not whether I am a racist. The issue for Obama is how can he manipulate the massive ocean of subconscious emotion that Americans have associated with race. I think he’s just beginning to put out little feelers to test the responses to see how best to proceed. He can’t use the issue like Sharpton and Jackson since that would almost certainly doom him to lose the election. He has to develop a more sophisticated approach and he needs to see what might work and what doesn’t. I suspect he is so ignorant about normal Americans that any approach he develops won’t work well outside of dkos, moveon and network newsrooms.

A recent post by Baldilocks about Muslim Africans is a good comeback to an overeducated Obama follower. He has nothing in common with American blacks who suffered through slavery except that his ancestors helped put them there. But this line of argument is too complex and contains too much history for general use.

snaggletoothie on June 21, 2008 at 1:07 PM

And where in that is the suggestion that any opposition at all is “bigotry”?

Nonfactor on June 21, 2008 at 12:31 PM

In the quoted material. Here, I’ll bold it for you:

It is going to be very difficult for Republicans to run on their stewardship of the economy or their outstanding foreign policy,” Obama told a fundraiser in Jacksonville, Florida. “We know what kind of campaign they’re going to run. They’re going to try to make you afraid.
They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?

misterpeasea on June 21, 2008 at 1:09 PM

And let’s not kid ourselves, Barack Almighty is more Arab-American than he is African-American.

fogw on June 21, 2008 at 11:53 AM

No, he’s not.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 1:11 PM

misterpeasea on June 21, 2008 at 1:09 PM

I recommend you look up “bigotry” in a dictionary.

Nonfactor on June 21, 2008 at 1:13 PM

Just who started the race thing?

From the beginning, it was the media. They used this device to frame the Dem candidate, the ‘08 election, and the narrative.

Likewise, they initially framed Hillary! as the first female candidate and Romney as the Mormon one. Having set their template for talking points, the media never strayed in trying to shape the debate and ignore substantive issues.

onlineanalyst on June 21, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Obama must have real doubts about himself and his campaign to make such a stupid remark. Even on blogs where he is thoroughly disliked, few if any cite race as the reason. Mostly it is his far left policies. However, for me, it his shallow definitions of honesty and sincerity. the “race card” being the latest example,

jeanie on June 21, 2008 at 1:19 PM

He has nothing in common with American blacks who suffered through slavery except that his ancestors helped put them there.

snaggletoothie on June 21, 2008 at 1:07 PM

No American blacks living have suffered through slavery.

I don’t buy the line of argument that his “exotic” heritage–one I happen to share–means that he has nothing in common with other black Americans or with anyone else for that matter. I’m not trying to be insulting, but that line of thinking is the flip side of his own thinking in this matter: that one must share a heritage to understand another. DNA doesn’t confer understanding.

Obama’s heritage isn’t the problem. It’s the frickin’ mountain of other things.

Oh and, thanks, all, for reading.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Although he’s laying the groundwork for his worshipers to get mad and lay blame should (when?) he loses, he’s doing this stuff at his own peril. Nothing can motivate a voting bloc to vote AGAINST you like baseless, tawdry, untrue, out and out lies, BarryO. Keep it up, please!

SouthernGent on June 21, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Baldilocks
I think I was trying to frame an argument against someone with the “DNA confers understanding” mindset.”

snaggletoothie on June 21, 2008 at 1:33 PM

A campaign about nothing melanin.

Mojave Mark on June 21, 2008 at 1:39 PM

“I swear, Obama is a candidate straight out of The Onion.” - hunter on June 21, 2008 at 1:03 PM

TOO LATE:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/black_guy_asks_nation_for_change

Lockstein13 on June 21, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Obama is black the same way that John Kerry served in Vietnam.

(and for the same reasons)
(Obama’s ‘blackness’ has nothing to do with the color of his skin. It does identify, and he claims leadership of, a political faction.)

Obama is making the argument that opposition to the agenda of the political faction he claims to lead is racist because of the public perception that a majority of that political faction have a common skin color. In reality the opposition to that political faction is opposition to the public policies that political faction is seeking to advance.

Question for self: Why do I let myself get drawn into this argument? Resistance is futile.

rockhauler on June 21, 2008 at 1:40 PM

And let’s not kid ourselves, Barack Almighty is more Arab-American than he is African-American.

fogw on June 21, 2008 at 11:53 AM

No, he’s not.

He’s Luo right?

Muslims tend to (culturally) Arabize black populations in Africa.

For instance in the Sudan reports of the survivors of massacres offer example after example of the Arabs of the Janjaweed telling them that “you blacks have to die”.

Many of the Janjaweed are themselves black but they ignore this fact and insist that they are Arabs.

aengus on June 21, 2008 at 1:46 PM

I think I was trying to frame an argument against someone with the “DNA confers understanding” mindset.”

snaggletoothie on June 21, 2008 at 1:33 PM

So you’re saying that pointing out that he is not the descendant of American slaves and, therefore, allegedly has nothing in common with other black Americans is a good way of deflating Obama-supporters? Or did I miss it again?

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Update (AP): Just in case Team Barry tries to deny he said this, here’s the audio. Big cheers for the siren song of demagoguery, natch.

Wha…why on earth would you think that the Obama campaign would attempt to deceive?!

Jaibones on June 21, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Obama says the GOP will make race an issues. He says this at the same time that he’s running ads with his white grandparents that hint, “I’m not that black.”

The guy has genuine conflicts with racial identity, and they’re being played out in public and projected onto others.

Wethal on June 21, 2008 at 1:49 PM

He’s Luo right?

Yes. So am I.

Muslims tend to (culturally) Arabize black populations in Africa.

aengus on June 21, 2008 at 1:46 PM

That has nothing to do with the Luo tribe, who are 80% Christian.

My father’s family is primarily composed SDAs.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 1:52 PM

No member of the party that claims we must turn our productive capacity over to the UN because otherwise we’ll destroy our entire planet due to overproduction of CO2, has the right to accuse another of “generating fear.”

Obama is a hypocrite and a tyrant.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, “Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture.” Thanks.)

philwynk on June 21, 2008 at 1:53 PM

er…composed of SDAs (Seventh Day Adventists)

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 1:54 PM

That has nothing to do with the Luo tribe, who are 80% Christian.

Thanks for that info.

My father’s family is primarily composed SDAs.

What are SDAs?

aengus on June 21, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Obama is a race baiting expert . . . second only to Al Sharpton.

rplat on June 21, 2008 at 1:57 PM

Lets see. The things about Obama I find frighteneing:

1. His willingness to appease messianic theocrats
2. His dream of massive wealth distribution
3. His past (present?) associations with the hate-filled race-baiter Wright and the (still) terrorists Bill Ayers and B. Dohrn.
4. The way Mrs. Obama “What Michelle says is the message” seems to control her husband, and her views about America being a “down-right mean country” and her lack of pride in America before it offered her husband the opportunity to become POTUS.
5. The way our most dug-in enemies seem to think an Obama Presidency would be good for them.
6. The trail of mangled bodies left on the wayside in Obama’s quest for power (mother, pastor, “the black community” [see pastor], campaign finance reform, Fr. Phleger, Tony Rezko, and his veep vetters).
7. His strange pronouncements i.e. “This is the moment when America started to heal the sick, when the Oceans began to recede…”
8. His own personal Presidential seal. Really?
9. His view that terrorism should be fought in the courtroom.
10. His general misreading of History.
11. His inability to stop “changing” his message of “hope.”
12. His pledge to raise taxes on “the rich.” (remeber, in Demo-speak, “rich” = you).
13. His pledge to socialize Healthcare.
14. His “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for” schtick. Creepy.
15. And, lastly, the fact that he has been sequestered by his campaign team from the media, and will only answer “like eight questions” when pressed by the media on a subject that doesn’t shed transcendental light on him.

The man is a joke. Not a funny, “ha ha” joke. More like a practical joke that could end up being very injurious to the Nation.

VolMagic on June 21, 2008 at 1:57 PM

He forgot to mention that Republicans will mention that he’s an ASS.

moonsbreath on June 21, 2008 at 1:58 PM

er…composed of SDAs (Seventh Day Adventists)

Ah right.

I Googled it and figured your father’s family were decidedly not primarily composed of members of either the San Diego Astrological Society or the Sled Dog Association of Scotland.

aengus on June 21, 2008 at 1:59 PM

This guy is seriously starting to creep me out.

If I had a dollar for every time I heard about Obama’s historic candidacy I could pay off my car. And why is it historical? Chicago Pols are a dime a dozen so it has nothing to do with him being a freshman Senator from Illinois. No, it is historical because he is black. He has used his race for the sake of demagoguery and yet now he is the one who is accusing someone else of racism.

Terrye on June 21, 2008 at 1:59 PM

The Democrats are trying to elect a young Al Sharpton.
No wonder Al’s jealous.
Just what we need is a Chicago community organizer for Pres.

Speakup on June 21, 2008 at 2:00 PM

Baldilocks
Yes. Rather than assume someone has the same world view I have, I take into account the world view they have shown themselves to have.

snaggletoothie on June 21, 2008 at 2:00 PM

aengus @ 1:59

I was doing the google thing to… ;-)

KarmiCommunist on June 21, 2008 at 2:03 PM

If it attends a racist church, and marries a racist woman, it’s a racist.

Hening on June 21, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Obama’s heritage isn’t the problem. It’s the frickin’ mountain of other things.

Oh and, thanks, all, for reading.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Suma sumarum of Obama

Entelechy on June 21, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Barack Obama should look in the mirror.

newton on June 21, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Baldilocks
Yes. Rather than assume someone has the same world view I have, I take into account the world view they have shown themselves to have.

snaggletoothie on June 21, 2008 at 2:00 PM

I agree, but that’s not where I was having the problem with understanding your tactic.

So what you’re saying is that you’d use their faulty reasoning against them by pointing out that difference (lack of American slave ancestry on Obama’s part)? If so, I think that the chances of the tactic working are 50-50 (no pun intended). Some of his black supporters would point out that those who would be racist against blacks aren’t likely to ask whether a given black’s African ancestors came over in the hold or on a plane.

The tactic also assumes that his black supporters care about that difference in the first place. I’ve seen no evidence that this is so.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Question for self: Why do I let myself get drawn into this argument? Resistance is futile.

rockhauler on June 21, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Me too but here I go.

I doubt very seriously that even the slightest percentage of the 90+% of the blacks that have voted for Obama have any real knowledge of what African tribe their ancestry came from. They don’t care. Obama is black as far as they are concerned, the % of DNA has nothing to do with it. So to assume that black Americans have nothing in common with Obama because technically he is more arab than black is a false assumption. They know who he is, they know where he came from, and to them, he is African and black. In other words… It’s AFRICA STUPID. And no, I’m not calling anyone stupid, but that is how it is.

Texas Gal on June 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM

The tactic also assumes that his black supporters care about that difference in the first place. I’ve seen no evidence that this is so.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 2:37 PM

You’re right. Actually there is very strong evidence that they don’t care.

Texas Gal on June 21, 2008 at 2:45 PM

Texas Gal on June 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Not every black in America is a descendant of those brought over on the slave ships.

VolMagic on June 21, 2008 at 2:47 PM

They don’t care. Obama is black as far as they are concerned, the % of DNA has nothing to do with it. So to assume that black Americans have nothing in common with Obama because technically he is more arab than black is a false assumption. They know who he is, they know where he came from, and to them, he is African and black. In other words… It’s AFRICA STUPID. And no, I’m not calling anyone stupid, but that is how it is.

Texas Gal on June 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM

I agree with this, except for the repeated inference of the blatant falsehood that the Luo tribe is an Arab tribe or even that it is majority Muslim.

Spreading this lie does nothing to help defeat the man.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Baldilocks
You’re probably right about blacks. But most of my experience is with guilt filled whites, most of them members of my family. And it is not their faulty reasoning that I use as much as their core beliefs. These aren’t the result of faulty reasoning but their basic beliefs and attitudes.

snaggletoothie on June 21, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Contrast that with Obama talking about “a world in need run by white men’s greed.”

indythinker on June 21, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Obama is racist against white people.

All racism is bad.

indythinker on June 21, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Texas Gal on June 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Not every black in America is a descendant of those brought over on the slave ships.

VolMagic on June 21, 2008 at 2:47 PM

This I do know and actually I have 2 close friends that come by way of Jamaica and they are completely puzzled why so many African Americans carry such a chip on their shoulders about slavery.

I agree with this, except for the repeated inference of the blatant falsehood that the Luo tribe is an Arab tribe or even that it is majority Muslim.

Spreading this lie does nothing to help defeat the man.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Totally agree with you. It doesn’t matter .. his race, his ancestry, his DNA. It matters his politics and plan for America. I tend to think that this argument about African vs Arab and slave vs non-slave ancestry is based to some extent on a isolation from the mainstream black community in America.

Texas Gal on June 21, 2008 at 2:55 PM

I agree with this, except for the repeated inference of the blatant falsehood that the Luo tribe is an Arab tribe or even that it is majority Muslim.

Spreading this lie does nothing to help defeat the man.

But is it not true that his family were in the small minority of the Luo tribe who are Muslim? I thought his family were Muslims? Not that this has anything to do with the election, I’m just curious.

aengus on June 21, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Obama is black?

And here I thought he was half-white.

Where did I do wrong?

drjohn on June 21, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Humble me is 100% pure Heinz 57…born in Muttland, and then entered America illegally, some 20 years ago. ;-)

KarmiCommunist on June 21, 2008 at 3:06 PM

Way to spawn a whole new generation of racists there Barry.

oakpack on June 21, 2008 at 3:09 PM

It doesn’t matter what he says. He’s already proven himself a liar several times over. His own pastor said he is just a politician who says whatever is expedient. So, we look at the evidence. His background, choice of associates and spiritual leaders/theology, Marxist teachers and parents, voting record, choice of advisors in his campaign,…and so forth.

a capella on June 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Ok, so he hasn’t said anything to indicate he’s a Marxist. He also hasn’t done anything in his career in public service to indicate he’s a Marxist. But some of his associations are left-leaning so….he’s a Marxist? Could you please list which of his adviser’s are Marxist? I’m also curious to know which of his “spiritual leader’s” are Marxist considering Marxism is inherently atheistic. Thanks.

crr6 on June 21, 2008 at 3:16 PM

But is it not true that his family were in the small minority of the Luo tribe who are Muslim? I thought his family were Muslims? Not that this has anything to do with the election, I’m just curious.

aengus on June 21, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Arab does not equal Muslim. Ask the Lebanese. Or the Iranians. Or the Pakistanis. Or the Ghanians.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 3:21 PM

The Democratic Party is Marxist…simple as that. Their agenda and doctrine is Marxist.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs! – Marx

KarmiCommunist on June 21, 2008 at 3:22 PM

But is it not true that his family were in the small minority of the Luo tribe who are Muslim? I thought his family were Muslims? Not that this has anything to do with the election, I’m just curious.

aengus on June 21, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Arab does not equal Muslim. Ask the Lebanese. Or the Iranians. Or the Pakistanis. Or the Ghanians.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 3:21 PM

That is a patronising response. I didn’t mention Arabness in my question. I said I’d heard somewhere that his family members were Muslim and did you know if this is true.

aengus on June 21, 2008 at 3:24 PM

The Democratic Party is Marxist…simple as that. Their agenda and doctrine is Marxist.

KarmiCommunist on June 21, 2008 at 3:22 PM

It seems to me that this tactic–calling the Republicans preemptive racists–is a Marxist one.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 3:24 PM

It seems to me that this tactic–calling the Republicans preemptive racists–is a Marxist one.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 3:24 PM

sigh.

crr6 on June 21, 2008 at 3:27 PM

It seems to me that this tactic–calling the Republicans preemptive racists–is a Marxist one.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Of course, it is.

I saw this coming as early as March. Rush has seen it coming. I don’t know how many more has seen it coming, but here it is, for all to see.

I’m sorry to say, but this year, our goose is cooked. The best thing Conservatives can do this year is to prepare yourselves. Sell your stocks. Get a passport, if you don’t have one. Look for another place somewhere in the world where you can work and live with your family in relative peace and quiet.

And, from a distance, watch as it all unfolds for the closest thing America will have to Hugo Chavez.

If America is falling off the cliff with Obama, we should let them. We just won’t jump with them and watch the wreck… from a distance.

newton on June 21, 2008 at 3:32 PM

crr6,

You’re saying that liberation theology isn’t Marxist. Most everyone, including its practitioners, would disagree with that conclusion.

aengus on June 21, 2008 at 3:33 PM

That is a patronising response.

How so?

I didn’t mention Arabness in my question.

You were responding to something that I said, however, specifically:

I agree with this, except for the repeated inference of the blatant falsehood that the Luo tribe is an Arab tribe or even that it is majority Muslim.

Spreading this lie does nothing to help defeat the man.

I said I’d heard somewhere that his family members were Muslim and did you know if this is true.

aengus on June 21, 2008 at 3:24 PM

No you asked:

But is it not true that his family were in the small minority of the Luo tribe who are Muslim? I thought his family were Muslims?

Obama himself has said that his father was raised Muslim but became an atheist and it has been repeatedly reported news sources reputable and otherwise that most of his African relatives are Muslim.

I’ve already said here in this thread at 1:52 PM that the Luo were 80% SDAs. As a matter of fact you responded with:

Thanks for the info.

So I had to figure out why you were asking me again. I figured that it was because you were conflating Arab with Muslim. If that not why, my apologies, but why are you asking this again?

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Hening on June 21, 2008 at 2:09 PM

+1
coda: if it calls everyone a racist for thinking differently than itself, it’s a racist.

maverick muse on June 21, 2008 at 3:36 PM

It seems to me that this tactic–calling the Republicans preemptive racists–is a Marxist one.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 3:24 PM

sigh.

crr6 on June 21, 2008 at 3:27 PMDon’t be shy, crr6.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM

sigh.

crr6 on June 21, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Don’t be shy, crr6.

baldilocks on June 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM

I figured that it was because you were conflating Arab with Muslim.

Nope.

but why are you asking this again?

I didn’t make it very clear but I was interested not in the overlap between Arab and Muslim but in the distinction between true and untrue things that may be leveled at Obama (fairly or unfairly) during the campaign.

aengus on June 21, 2008 at 3:40 PM

crr6 on June 21, 2008 at 3:16 PM

What part of wealth redistribution is not Marxist?

What about his global wamring hysteria is not a Marxists atempt at world wide wealth redisrtibution?

He’s a big fan of his dad, right?

You may not be familiar with BLT (not the sandwich, black liberation theology.) It is pretty Marxist.

From the last link:

Therefore, these theologians use sociology and economics sciences to understand poverty, since they considered poverty was the source of sin. In the sixties, when they started this line of thought, social sciences in Latin America and Europe were dominated by marxist activism and methodologies derived from historical materialism, which influenced the development of Liberation theology.

Obama is saturated in Leftist doctrine. Don’t fool yourself.

VolMagic on June 21, 2008 at 3:41 PM

But no hard feelings. I was being quite vague.

aengus on June 21, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Yeah, I heard from Republican bloggers that they were going to run ads with Michelle Obama saying “whitey”. Yup. I did.

Seixon on June 21, 2008 at 3:42 PM

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