I hope Granma and granpa have a great retirement.

BWHAHAHAHA!

That sought for ’status’ will change about the time the first labor pain hits.

GarandFan on June 20, 2008 at 6:28 PM

And the feedings every two hours, even in the wee hours…

That’s why I’m a bit nerved about this pregnancy. Been there, done that. I dread wee-hour feedings!

Babies are now STATUS SYMBOLS amongst young Hollywierd female role models. Just look at Christina, Nicole, Angelina, Alba, Presley, I could go on and on!
It’s IN to be pregnant and having a baby is the latest fashion accessory. These impressionable, empty headed, young girls are emulating that.

Conservaboomer on June 20, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Agreed. However, if there is even a chance of a silver lining in all of this it’s that the reality of motherhood and caring for a helpless infant may be the only thing capable of instilling some sense of responsability and maturity in these ignorant and foolish girls (they may be 17, but they are a long way off from womanhood).

Until then, I humbly suggest forcing all teenagers to watch the Judge Reinhold classic, Vice Versa, to understand the responsibilities and difficulties of being an adult….

At 16 they definitely aren’t kids.

I completely disagree. They may think they’re not kids, but that’s just because they ARE kids.

but I have known guys who were in trouble for having sex with a 17 year old.

You’re not going to get sympathy from me on that. Those guys need to stay away from 17-year-olds, especially if they are in their 20s.

1. It is selectively enforced

OK, that’s a problem, but that’s not a problem with the law itself.

2. If you are dating a girl who is 17 and things happen, why should you be treated like a molester and unable to visit parks, schools (even if your kid is enrolled there) and be harrassed as deviant?

If you have a kid, and you’re sleeping with a 17-year-old, then you still don’t have my sympathy.

However, I agree that sleeping with a teenager is different than being a pedophile, and it should be treated differently. But that too is a separate issue.

3. It is a crime that is more-likely to result in being prosecuted for marrying a person than it is for someone to kill a sick patient in some states.

Again, while that’s wrong, that’s not the fault of the law itself.

4. Driving a car can have just as much consequences as sex, so why do we accept one at 16 and another at 18?

1. That’s very much not true.
2. In many states the driving age is 18.
3. You’re only making an argument for raising the driving age, not doing away with the age of consent, and you’d actually have a good case for raising the driving age seeing as 16-year-olds are 5 times more likely to get into an accident than a normal driver (which is really bad considering senior citizens are only twice as likely despite having a much worse reputation).

then you can consent to being mature enough to choose if you want to have sex with someone.

In many states 16 is the age of consent. We don’t have a national age for that.

When the supervisor was called, he ignored the issue too stating it was virtually impossible to get a non-authorative female convicted of statutory rape.

Yeah, that’s a problem, one that should be addressed. Women should be held just as response as men are.

Also, it is selectively enforced, because in some states boys who are under 18 having sex with a girl under 18 end up in jail, but nothing happens to the girl.

I’m not sure I believe you here, but even if you’re correct, that’s still not a problem with the law itself, just in how the law is enforced.

Your big complaint here is that women finally have a double standard work in their favor. It’s disgusting I agree but hardly the fault of the law.

And the fact that you have friends in their 20s who are (or were) having sex with 17-year-olds really doesn’t help your case.

I said my Son was a surprize. I never said I didn’t take full responsibility for my actions. Don’t look down on me as I couldn’t give two craps less, lets just hope if your child ever has a child you don’t do the same to her.

upinak on June 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM

I am unable to understand why you cannot comprehend my posts?

As I’ve said over and over and over again, I AM NOT JUDGING YOU nor am I LOOKING DOWN ON YOU. I never said a single word about you “taking responsibility” for your child.

Furthermore, I don’t care if you want to call your child a surprise, a blessing, or a beautiful boy, because I was NEVER TALKING ABOUT YOUR CHILD!!

Sheesh!!

For the last time, I merely challenged your GENERAL assertion:

I love how everyone assumes if you were pregnant as a teenager, it was done on purpose.

by saying that pregnancy is NOT AN ACCIDENT, its the result of a voluntary act designed to lead to that very thing. Something I would have done in response to ANYONE who posted a statement like you did, regardless of whether they were a teen mom, a russian tight-rope walker or the freaking man in the moon.

And for not giving “two craps”, you sure have responded with an awful lot of anger (and a whole lot of misunderstanding) along with a basic presumption that whatever anyone says on this thread MUST be about you because you were a teen mother.

P.S. Its not.

Tink on June 20, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Tink I appreciate the honesty! Thank you.

Fatal on June 20, 2008 at 4:47 PM

if you would look in an earlier post.. I said my Son was a surprize. I never said I didn’t take full responsibility for my actions. Don’t look down on me as I couldn’t give two craps less, lets just hope if your child ever has a child you don’t do the same to her.

Tim Burton on June 20, 2008 at 4:04 PM

I wasn’t being smug, you just came off sounding like a jerk (even if it was unintentional). I didn’t ‘let myself go, either.’ My husband and I take our vows seriously, but we didn’t include anything about weight (pre- or post-baby). And my husband does love me, and I’m sure he’d be happy if I lost weight too. Chort.

Well, I’m not the poster that you asked, but, I graduated from an urban public high school just outside of San Francisco in 1978.

In our sophomore year (75-76), a friend became pregnant and married the father. She was not expelled, but the school district did move her to a continuation school as soon as her pregnancy became obvious.

(Continuation School = school for kids with discipline or truancy problems)

As another poster mentioned above, in the same district, we girls weren’t able to wear pants to school until I was in 5th or 6th grade, boys hair had to be cut above their collar – no t-shirts or jeans allowed – that changed in 70? 71? something like that.

Things that still make me go hmmmmmmmmm – we had a “smoking lot” on campus. Go figure.

I never judged you.

I never called your child an “accident” (but you have).

I never claimed birth control was perfect.

I merely pointed out that pregnancy is not an “accident”. It was not an accident for these girls and it was not an accident for you. It seems as though the red haze of your anger has made it impossible for you to understand what was posted.

For some reason, you’ve tried to make everything on this thread be about “you” when its not. You’ve projected onto me your own fears of being “judged” when I’ve done no such thing.

Let me offer a simple illustration to try to get my point across.

The natural purpose of a revolver is to fire bullets, just like the natural purpose of intercourse is to create progeny.

If I unload all of the chambers of a revolver except one, I am taking steps to make sure the revolver is unable to fire a bullet, just like using birth control is taking steps to make sure that intercourse does not lead to pregnancy.

Now, after I have attempted to thwart the natural purpose of the revolver, albiet imperfectly, by removing most of the bullets, if I then spin the chamber, place the barrel against my temple, pull the trigger and blow my brains out, have I had an “accident”?

No, I have merely failed to successfully prevent the revolve from firing.

If people attempt to thwart the natural purpose of sex by utilizing birth control, which is NOT perfect, then go ahead and engage in voluntary intercourse but end up getting pregnant, just like with the revolver, they have NOT had an “accident”, they’ve merely failed to successfully prevent themselves from getting pregnant.

Now, if you check back, you will see that my post was in response to your rather condescending assertion that:

I love how everyone assumes if you were pregnant as a teenager, it was done on purpose.

I merely pointed out that, regardless of how you want to view it, any teenager who gets pregnant by voluntarily engaging in intercourse did not get pregnant by “accident”. I am sorry if you find that somehow judgmental or offensive, but it was not intended to be so. However, making it judgmental or offensive isn’t my fault, its all in the way you’ve chosen to take it.

Oh, and as far as this goes:

God help you if you ever have children.

Thank you! He did help me and my wife, as we’ve raised two very fine children, including a 19 yr-old daughter. She, by the way, fully understands that if she engages in intercourse, no matter how many precautions she may take, she may end up pregnant. She also knows that any such pregnancy will be the direct result of her own voluntary choice and will not be an “accident”.

I’m sorry. I know it’s been abused, but I have no sympathy for adults who get caught having sex with kids. I don’t care if they didn’t seek out the sex. Unless they were forced, it really doesn’t matter. They’re still adults and still (in most cases) know more than the kids they sleep with.

I’m completely fine with a law that scares adults into checking an ID before getting into bed.

Esthier on June 20, 2008 at 3:30 PM

At 16 they definitely aren’t kids. Heck, when I was a teacher, I had 17 girls pregnant in my class. Virtually everyone who got pregnant was pregnant by a guy who was under 18. I’m not looking at dating a teenage, God knows I actually like being able to take a date to a night club, but I have known guys who were in trouble for having sex with a 17 year old. One was 23 years old, and I have dated larger age gaps than that. Luckily, he kept his record clean in working it out. He also just got engaged to her.

But it is unjust for the following reasons:

1. It is selectively enforced, no it isn’t just enforced like a speeding ticket where you get caught, you get a ticket. It really is selectively enforced.*

2. If you are dating a girl who is 17 and things happen, why should you be treated like a molester and unable to visit parks, schools (even if your kid is enrolled there) and be harrassed as deviant?

3. It is a crime that is more-likely to result in being prosecuted for marrying a person than it is for someone to kill a sick patient in some states.

4. Driving a car can have just as much consequences as sex, so why do we accept one at 16 and another at 18? If you can consent to being mature enough to drive a car (which can kill people), then you can consent to being mature enough to choose if you want to have sex with someone.

*It is selectively enforced, because women often sleep with boys under 18 and rarely get charged (unless they are teachers). One of the families in my church had an issue with their teenage son going over to an older (late 20s) lady’s house to have sex. When they called the police about it, they told them, “Just ground him, we really can’t do anything about an under-age guy having sex.” When the supervisor was called, he ignored the issue too stating it was virtually impossible to get a non-authorative female convicted of statutory rape.

Also, it is selectively enforced, because in some states boys who are under 18 having sex with a girl under 18 end up in jail, but nothing happens to the girl.

Also, my district had a female teacher having sex with a female and not only would the cops not touch it, but the district wouldn’t fire her over the fact that she threatened a sexual orientation discrimination suit. I think she should have got fired, but charges? I don’t agree, the girl was 17 and known for being militant lesbian. She was old enough to know what she wanted and old enough to consent.

Akzed on June 20, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Ever heard of common sense and decency?

OldEnglish on June 20, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Yeah, but these little tarts haven’t, if that needs saying -unless what they really need is more values-free education, heavy on the evolution, leave out the Creator.

I’d hate to find out what would happen if she isn’t willing (or isn’t able)! My twins so completely changed my body and metabolism I feel like I’m in a different body. I won’t even go into detail about how elaborate and encompassing my stretchmarks are after two pregnancies/three kids. Thank goodness my husband still loves me, big belly and all.

Anna on June 20, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Get off your high horse. Notice I said, “hope”. I didn’t say, “She better damn well.”

You act sooooo morally superior, when it isn’t a case of morality. It is something I hope for. I lost 25 pounds, and for reasons outside of this thread, I did it to save my life. That being said, I fully intend to not let myself go.

Seeing how I found it is great to date someone who enjoys going to the gym and working out together I fully believe she most likely will workout regularly.

If she can’t, then I fully understand. After all, contrary to what your smug arse thinks, I will take my vow serious.

I hope my wife (when I get married) will be that willing to work out to get back in shape.

Tim Burton on June 20, 2008 at 3:08 PM

By then hopefully you will have moved on and matured in your thinking, and only be concerned that she and the kids stay healthy.
Trust me, being in “shape” is a minor part of being in love. And after over 40 years of being married and raising a couple of kids, being in shape and being healthy are not the same.

I hope my wife (when I get married) will be that willing to work out to get back in shape.

Tim Burton on June 20, 2008 at 3:08 PM

I’d hate to find out what would happen if she isn’t willing (or isn’t able)! My twins so completely changed my body and metabolism I feel like I’m in a different body. I won’t even go into detail about how elaborate and encompassing my stretchmarks are after two pregnancies/three kids. Thank goodness my husband still loves me, big belly and all.

Actually I think I asked how much different each was and so on, yet I don’t remember the doctor saying anything about being careful a week or so afterwards.

Ah, well I guess you could sue the doctor for wrongful birth then.

I’m mostly joking.

For anyone who doesn’t know though, it is true that when you switch to a different birth control it’s like using it for the first time. At both times, you need to act as though you’re not on anything.

The same is true when you miss even one pill, depending on when you miss the pill (meaning how early in your cycle).

Tim Burton on June 20, 2008 at 3:05 PM

I’m sorry. I know it’s been abused, but I have no sympathy for adults who get caught having sex with kids. I don’t care if they didn’t seek out the sex. Unless they were forced, it really doesn’t matter. They’re still adults and still (in most cases) know more than the kids they sleep with.

I’m completely fine with a law that scares adults into checking an ID before getting into bed.

Esthier on June 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Actually I think I asked how much different each was and so on, yet I don’t remember the doctor saying anything about being careful a week or so afterwards.

Either way, it doesn’t matter.

Tim Burton on June 20, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Well I don’t know about your friend, but exercizing helps. I still have bad stretch marks.. but I wouldn’t get a tummy tuck because of them. They can be deadly and at times done wrong. Please don’t be judgemental if you wife has problems.

Oh, and by the way, nothing I posted was a “judgment”, let alone a judgment of you. They were merely statements of fact.

Fatal on June 20, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Kiss my day glow white butt and get off you freaking high horse you judgemental jerk. Birthcontrol isn’t perfect! God help you if you ever have children.

And my “Accident” is with another Family as I hope these girls Parents convince them to give the child to a good Family. I admit I may have “screwed up” no pun intended. But at least you can’t give me shit for at least trying.

I have a idea on how this started. One of the popular girls got pregnant, and that is where the rest came into it.

I have seen it before, but at most maybe 3 girls.

I actually stopped other girls from getting pregnant when I was in school and gave them a run of how uncomfortable it was, telling them about morning sickness and so on. And if they still didn’t get it, I whipped out my belly and showed them my stretch marks in the middle of School, which I know worked as you saw their faces go white. I had teachers say it was inappropriate to do what I did, until I told them what they were thinking, in which they changed their tune.

upinak on June 20, 2008 at 2:43 PM

So true about the stomach. One lady at the gym has that problem. She is getting back in shape, but is fully intending to have 2 more kids soon. She said, then she’ll get back in shape and possibly a tummy tuck to get it tight again. I hope my wife (when I get married) will be that willing to work out to get back in shape.