becki51758 on June 19, 2008 at 6:35 PM

Well, you’re doing something right. Be proud.

Her response was…and I quote ” Oh My God..how ridiculous! What is wrong with those girls? ugh I am sick of girls saying ohh..I want to have a baby, they are sooo cute! Dont they think about the poor babies? They need to grow up!”

I just had to share! lol

Nearer to the core these teen girls with low self esteem warped the world to think – “It’ll make me feel more important, I’ll be cool, it’ll be fun, and I’ll show ‘them’ who’s in control, and why not somebody will pay for the baby anyway”. Not being capable to think in a rational manner to avoid life’s pitfalls to the point 17 girls go along with a crazed group pact mentality to make long-term life decisions with no regard for themselves, the baby, or their family is a big parental issue. Knowing how many of the 17 came from 1 parent or broken household could be make an interesting correlation if known.

Michael Graham is co-hosting Glen Beck tonight and I can’t imagine it won’t be part of the show. It’s been a huge discussion in New England today.

what’s the big deal? If they want to have babies it’s their choice. Last I looked we were still a free country( but that may change in 6 months)…

You can’t have the fruit without the sin.

unseen on June 19, 2008 at 1:54 PM

The big deal is unprepared girls who have children end up being a burden on society. It shows a breakdown of society on several fronts:
Moral
Responsibility
Education
To name just a few. This is how you lose a generation. Just ask the black community. Having unwed mom’s (70%) is devastating.
In a prison (of 1,500+ or -) on Mothers day, the admin made a big deal out of sending out Mothers day cards. They assigned people who could write and help create a meaningful Mother’s day card and note. It was a huge success, and the writers were overwhelmed.
When father’s day rolled around the did the same thing…two letters were sent out.
Got to any juvenile detention center, or a high school for troubled teens, then see how many have both parents.
Then come back and say, having a child without a father is not big deal…

becki51758 on June 19, 2008 at 1:23 PM

What most people tend to ignore is the complexity of a family. What works for one, won’t work for the other. You did what you felt was best, and it worked.
It is too easy to say “that’s not what I would have done”, or to insinuate that there was a “better” way.
The proof is in the puddin.
I am glad those days are over.

That was the one thing I never had with my own mother. I was afraid to tell her anything.

becki51758 on June 19, 2008 at 2:28 PM

I’m thinking that the best thing I can do with my children is to make sure I am approachable.

pullingmyhairout on June 19, 2008 at 4:12 PM

I agree that it is important that children be able to talk to their parents.

Though I also want to make sure I’m helping set guidelines.

I like the idea of not letting them date until they’re a certain age. If they’re not left alone with the opposite sex, then having sex will at least be harder.

But like you said, pullingmyhairout, I have plenty of time to change my mind. I don’t even have any kids yet. I really think about this stuff too much. It annoys my husband when we have these hypothetical conversations, but I figure if I can get an idea now, then maybe later we’ll save ourselves some heartache.

One thing I’m thinking about too – there is no shame to receive government handouts, is there?

Anna on June 19, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Shame seems to have vanished from our culture altogether. Whether it be out-of-wedlock births or living off of taxpayer money, it doesn’t seem to matter.

And it’s not that I think people should necessarily be down on themselves if they need help or get pregnant without getting married, but they shouldn’t act as though it’s OK.

Esthier on June 19, 2008 at 2:15 PM

I’m thinking that the best thing I can do with my children is to make sure I am approachable. I always want my daughter and son to feel comfortable opening up and discussing their problems with us. And if it means talking about BC, then so be it.

Our children are taught our moral order of things – school, college, job, marriage, THEN babies. But I will certainly not stick my head in the sand and scream LA LA LA LA LA if my girl wants BC. The choice to have sex may not be the right one, but at least she would be responsible enough to protect herself from pregnancy or STD’s.

since she’s just 9, I have a few years yet to revise my opinion, but for right now, that’s pretty much how I feel.

Anna on June 19, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Stop with the common sense already Anna.

shick on June 19, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Which is a shame. My inlaws’ church set up a rotating system where members would stop by and bring me food and company (if I wanted it). They also took my daughter to bible school (mostly to get her out of the house to give me a break). I had about 20 different families volunteer for this, and it makes me tear up to this day.

I think the government should get out of the charity business and let local organizations handle it. Those who truly need help (food/shelter/clothing) can get it, and those looking for a free handout will learn how to work for a living. Oh, and it would save taxpayers oodles of money. Three birds, one stone… I must be insane. ; )

WIC when the twins were born, as I had just been released from active duty and my husband was stationed 3000 miles away (and we needed the help on his E-5 salary). But I was so ashamed of it, and as soon as we could, we dropped it even though we were still eligable. If there were more of a stigma felt by more people, maybe girls like these would think twice. Just saying.

Anna on June 19, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Seperated E-5 myself and used WIC. I remember the stigma myself. But I also remember that we really needed the help.

Unfortunately there isn’t much of a stigma on government handouts anymore. The thoughts, “I will provide for my family.” and “Love your neighbor as yourself” have been replaced with “The government needs to provide for my family and my neighbors family.”

The obligatory “high school girls make pact to get pregnant, and succeed” post
Allahpundit

I am not trying to be funny or cute on a very serious topic.

It is just that I work at a hospital, and when I saw the headline, I was expecting Allah to link us to a story about Anchor Baby Citizenship.

The practice of illegals having anchor babies is common at my hospital.

i thought women were supposta have more sense than men

maybe the ‘Smarter-than-Men’ thing doesn’t kick in until chicks are 18, but…….using a homeless guy as sperm donor? Is that covered under the new nationalized health plan?

My daughter has been real interested in pregnancy lately (at 5!), so the talks have already begun. We’re open and honest with her. It’s our job to make sure she doesn’t end up like these girls.

One thing I’m thinking about too – there is no shame to recieve government handouts, is there? I’ll admit, I was on WIC when the twins were born, as I had just been released from active duty and my husband was stationed 3000 miles away (and we needed the help on his E-5 salary). But I was so ashamed of it, and as soon as we could, we dropped it even though we were still eligable. If there were more of a stigma felt by more people, maybe girls like these would think twice. Just saying.

It wasn’t an easy decision, but I knew that I didn’t want them raising children on there own as I had to do. I should say that I was on birth control when I got pregnant, so I knew it isnt 100%.

I am also thankful that my daughters trust me enough to talk to me about things going on in their lives. That was the one thing I never had with my own mother. I was afraid to tell her anything.

juanito on June 19, 2008 at 1:48 PM

I tried that, it just didn’t have the right “ring” to it, but hey, whadaIknow, I’m Baptist.
We don’t even look at each other in bed if the lights are on.

becki51758 on June 19, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Interesting. I’m not a parent, but I’m automatically opposed to the idea of giving birth control to my hypothetical kids.

Though the fact that you stressed abstinence and took them to church regularly does change things.

I was raised in church and taught strict abstinence, but I wasn’t a virgin on my wedding day. I made it until I was 20 and married the guy as soon as we graduated college. At that point we’d decided that we were going to get married anyway and rationalized that only money was preventing us from obtaining that magical piece of paper which would make sex OK.

I got birth control on my own and kept the information from my mother, knowing it wouldn’t help, but when she finally found out later on, she gave me a talk, basically affirming what she still believed, which hadn’t changed, then finally agreeing to not ask me about this ever again, knowing it would only ruin our relationship.

Because I wanted to be able to talk to my mother about it when it first happened, part of me wants to do something different for my own hypothetical children, but I’m not sure what that would be.

I don’t like it when people assume kids are just going to do it anyway (and I don’t mean you at all). I think that’s a self-fulfilling prophesy. Then again, I’m also not sure the best way to deal with a child who has already decided to have sex. Aside from locking them up, there’s really no way to prevent that.

Way to go Mom and Dad. And kudos to the friends that not only joined in on the pact, but the one’s that kept their mouths shut.

Winners, each and every one of them.