Fox News poll: 42% of Dems “very satisfied” with nominee versus … 12% of Republicans
posted at 5:53 pm on June 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Another month of mumbling about comprehensive immigration reform and how “pristine” ANWR is, and who knows? He might make it down to single digits.
The data’s not all bad. His small lead from two months ago is gone but that’s mostly due to Hillary Democrats coming home. He does amazingly well with independents throughout, beating Obama among that group on Iraq, terrorism, the economy(!), and illegal immigration(!!). He trails only on health care, and only there by four points. Which is to say, he’ll hold his own in the center; his problem is that as of right now only 10% of Dems are McCainocrats while 11% of Repubs are Obamicans (in a two-man race), and that includes 17% of Hillary supporters who still say they’re voting for McCain even though most of them probably won’t. He needs to improve on that, as he already leads by eight among indies (again, in a two-man race) which surely must be near his ceiling. The fine, fine line for Maverick is thus the same here as it’s been all along: How does he hold the GOP base while pandering just enough to the left to pull some of those centrist Democrats over? Maybe by talking about … comprehensive immigration reform and how “pristine” ANWR is?
Big advantages among independents here, too, and I’m guessing they’re related:
It’s hard to imagine those numbers tilting much further in his favor but easy to imagine them tilting back towards equilibrium, especially with St. Barack ready to burn a few hundred mil on ads like that one today.
One more piece of data for you, this time from Rasmussen. Exit question: How likely is it really that Obama’s going to pile up the popular vote but lose a squeaker in the electoral college? Read this piece from TNR before you answer, as it argues that the circumstances of that scenario — racking up huge blue state wins and just enough narrow red state losses — are very hard to imagine if the “nationalization” of voter preferences from the 2004 election holds true this time. I’m not so sure they will given Obama’s ability to draw out certain southern demographics this time in greater numbers than Kerry could (namely, blacks and evangelicals) coupled with McCain’s inability to draw out the southern base.
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We conservatives know we don’t have a dog in the hunt…but we will still vote for McCain…and liberal sheep vote for whomever they are told to…nuff’ said!
DCJeff on June 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM
I will really be looking forward to the percentage of voters who vote for neither.
MadisonConservative on June 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM
It’s gonna be epic.
lorien1973 on June 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Obama may very well have a probably with a constituency other Dems really haven’t — hispanics.
amerpundit on June 19, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Ewwww… 44% of Independents apparently don’t like EITHER candidate…
and seeing as how that is now about 1/3 of the electorate…
Wow…. meltdown of the representative system.
Romeo13 on June 19, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Well, gee.
When the media selects our candidate for us, its sorta hard to be pleased or satisfied or whatever
ToddonCapeCod on June 19, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Ewww…. and 43% of REPUBLICANS not satisfied…
Thats plain scary.
Romeo13 on June 19, 2008 at 6:01 PM
How’s that “screw the Republican base and reach out to the Democrats and liberals” strategy working for you, Mav?
Keep ranting about obscene profits, buddy, and we’ll all come home to you.
misterpeasea on June 19, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Sure.
And if the election were held today ..no one would have shown up at the polls.
Obama has a lot of imploding yet to do.
And new skeletons to untangle himself from.
And new victims to throw under his jacked-up Bus.
Patiently watch the Ombumbler fall apart as he blusters.
It’s a virtue.
Popcorn, extra.
profitsbeard on June 19, 2008 at 6:02 PM
I simply cannot understand why some folks consider John McCain to be a “fiscal conservative,” and yet these same well-meaning people complain bitterly about the encroaching path to Socialized Medicine.
Illegal immigration is the biggest pathway to Socialized medicine. And Graham-amnesty and so-called “Mr. Fiscal Conservative” voted in favor of granting free healthcare to illegals, in May/June of last year’s Sham-nesty attempt.
Earmarks are small, very small expenses compared to granting tens and tens of millions of illegals with free healthcare.
ColtsFan on June 19, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Predictable.. now we are back to poll numbers.. Since McCain is now on the right side on drilling for oil and energy nuclear) his numbers should start to look better.
Chakra Hammer on June 19, 2008 at 6:03 PM
That would make our founding fathers pleased, to know that so many people would choose not to participate in deciding who the next president will be. Or won’t be.
It’s odd. When a country’s citizens are not allowed to vote, and then they get the chance, the turnout is so high. I bet even in those countries, there are not candidates who are 100% the choice of every citizen.
Then again, some people just seem to like to bitch and whine, and not do anything.
wise_man on June 19, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Earmarks, and also reducing spending..
Chakra Hammer on June 19, 2008 at 6:05 PM
You seem to forget the spending that McCain has always complained about.
Chakra Hammer on June 19, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Hmm. That sounds so similar to what the democrats were saying when Bush “
was selected” won.The people vote for who they want. The media selects nothing.
wise_man on June 19, 2008 at 6:06 PM
It means McCain HAS to reach out to the right while Obama doesnt have to lean any further left.
William Amos on June 19, 2008 at 6:06 PM
Hey, look. He’s lying again.
wise_man on June 19, 2008 at 6:07 PM
I’ve posted this before, and believe there’s a strong case to be made that conservatives are overemphasizing their oen “strength” on the immigration issue. Opinion is fairly divided on the merits of a wall, and the basic outline of the McCain stance on “comprehensive reform”. McCain is pretty close to the center on immigration, but conservatives don;t realize it becausr they’ve rhetorically walled themselves off on the far right end of the ideological spectrum on the issue.
By the way, I fully expect plenty of polling based on false dichotomies in response to this comment. Don’t worry; I’ve seen the data.
Big S on June 19, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Not always true. If the media covers every negative story about one candidate, and almost none about the other, it can easily sway the electorate.
amerpundit on June 19, 2008 at 6:09 PM
AND McCain will be out-spent by BO about 3 to 1 (if we’re lucky.
Not good.
stenwin77 on June 19, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Surely you aren’t claiming that McCain hasn’t ranted against “obscene profits”?
amerpundit on June 19, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Surely you aren’t claiming that the media’s chosen candidate(s) doesn’t affect the “reporting.”
JiangxiDad on June 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM
I am still a bit in shock that the Dems actually want this idiotic kid with no real record of any accomplishment to represent them and possibly be POTUS.
Is turning socialist and inevitability in Western civilization? Are there really that many suicidal people ?
bbz123 on June 19, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Okay.
I applaud McCain in criticizing “the bridge to nowhere” earmark among other notable things McCain has done throughout his tenure as AZ senator.
But run the numbers then.
Look at the details of the last McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill. One provision of it was to provide healthcare to illegals.
That provision itself costs more in the long run than fighting against earmarks. A McCain amnesty will still spell defeat for the Middle Class as our country moves toward a likely 2-tier society.
ColtsFan on June 19, 2008 at 6:18 PM
If you want to claim, amerpundit & JiangxiDad that the media can influence some people, then that is true. The media does not influence me. I come to my own conclusions. In fact, sometimes when the media attempts to influence me, the exact opposite of what the media wants occurs. So it depeneds on the individual.
The liberals are the ones who made the claim that Bush as selected. If the media influences people, we can argue to what extent it does. Not everyone are mind numbed idiots.
Well. Except maybe Paultards.
wise_man on June 19, 2008 at 6:18 PM
Sure, but I’d argue that you’re more aware of the political situation in our country than the Average American. I don’t let the media influence me either, but there’s a good chunk of Americans who do. Unfortunately, I can claim to have several in my family.
amerpundit on June 19, 2008 at 6:21 PM
There’s 3 things McCain can do to get my enthusiastic support.
1. DRILL!
2. DRILL!
3. DRILL!
coffee260 on June 19, 2008 at 6:21 PM
It’s going to come down to Missouri, Ohio, Michigan, and..drum roll…Colorado! I still say McCain takes Connecticut. I have no basis in fact for this other than Lieberman’s his right hand man, and they have a Republican governor. That would be sweet as Hell if he could pull that off.
SouthernGent on June 19, 2008 at 6:21 PM
blah blah blah lying blah blah blah liar blah blah blah.
What exactly am I lying about, _man? Are you now going to try to assert that John McCain isn’t “very angry” about “obscene profits”?
Because if you are, you aren’t accusing me of lying, you’re accusing the NY Post, and a bunch of other folks, including, err, John McCain:
“I am very angry, frankly, at the oil companies,” said the presumptive GOP presidential nominee. “Not only because of the obscene profits they’ve made, but their failure to invest in alternative energy to help us eliminate our dependence on foreign oil.”
Not only is he very angry about the obscene profits, but he’s angry about their failure to invest in alternative energy.
Well, he believes in the global warming hoax, why not the alternative energy hoax?
And, _man, whoinhell does John McCain think he is, to think he has, or should have, any say at all about how private companies invest their money?
And, _man, how does Mr. Straight Talk Express square his opposition to drilling in the lovely and pristine ANWR with his newfound support for the states to be in charge of drilling their own territory?
And I’m curious, _man, are you as worried about global warming as is John McCain? Are you in favor of raising taxes and creating new bureaucracies to fight the scourge that is Anthropogenic Global Warming?
Also, _man, how many points have you earned today? And why do John McCain’s “Today’s Talking Points” never change? They’ve been getting things done and bipartisanship for a while now.
Yes, let’s be bipartisanship-y with Teddy Kennedy. And with Russ Feingold. And hey, Hillary Clinton is one of my good friendsh, why not have a little bipartisanship with her?
Sorry ’bout all those lies, _man.
misterpeasea on June 19, 2008 at 6:22 PM
It seems like an odd question. It’s “How satisfied are you with the choice of candidates you have in this years’ election?” Considering I’m not that thrilled with McCain and that I think the inexperienced socialist Barack Obama would make a horrible president, I’m very unsatisfied.
This, however, does not reflect at all on the fact that I will definitely vote (assuming I haven’t died in a freak gasoline fight accident before then) and that, given what I know today, I’ll be voting for McCain.
JadeNYU on June 19, 2008 at 6:24 PM
He speaks eloquently of Hope, and promises Change. For the many poor, depressed democrats who have endured the last horrendous 8 years of George W Bush, Obama is a glass of water at the end of am 8 year trek though the desert.
Maybe not civilization, but for democrats, yes, absolutely. Otherwise a Che poster in an Obama local headquarters wouldn’t be a surprise sight at all.
Suicidal people? Yes, but the democrats don’t see it as so. For some conservatives? Absolutely.
wise_man on June 19, 2008 at 6:25 PM
I’m not voting for him, no matter the consequences.
Anyone who supports illegal aliens over American citizen is not worthy of my blessing.
madmonkphotog on June 19, 2008 at 6:31 PM
Another way of saying 11% of Republicans are insane.
whitetop on June 19, 2008 at 6:32 PM
It’s amazing how you like to lie. It’s as easy for you as breathing.
wise_man on June 19, 2008 at 6:32 PM
I’m nervous about McCain reaching out to me because he has a habit of bending conservatives over the table and battering them with a broom handle.
Troy Rasmussen on June 19, 2008 at 6:36 PM
This is why we need a VP Romney: no other VP candidate has a national constituency that can, possibly, perk up the base. It may make no sense on some level, but it will likely work.
Romney+drilling….
ParisParamus on June 19, 2008 at 6:36 PM
No, its actualy a very interesting question, especialy when asked of independents.
Face it, there is a lot of anger in the electorate, and its not just directed at one party, but at politicians in GENERAL. Both sides are pretty screwed up right now, so this question does have validity.
Especialy considering the high negatives of Congress, and the President…
Its a plaugue on both your houses type of Election… which could make it a VERY strange election.
Romeo13 on June 19, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Well..on a positive note. A new Fox Poll shows that the approval rating for Congress has hit a low of 19%
The President’s approval tho is higher at 24%.
Also..McCains patriotism is rated waaaay higher than Obama’s…even after that smarmy commercial he has released.
becki51758 on June 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM
I didn’t mean to imply it wasn’t a valid question.
What I was trying (and failing) to say was that I don’t think it necessarily means the Dems are satisfied with their nominee and the Reps are unsatisfied with our nominee – though, I’m sure that influences the numbers somewhat.
Since the questions asks about the satisfaction with the choice of candidates this year, I think the extremely low satisfaction numbers on the Rep side are could also be influenced by the how greatly many Reps dislike Obama as a candidate (as well as their “meh”ness about McCain).
JadeNYU on June 19, 2008 at 6:48 PM
I neither bitched nor whined about a thing, but you seem to be doing plenty when someone suggests they won’t vote for your guy. Pot, kettle, black.
And I am taking part by voting for the person I believe should be president. That’s how the system is supposed to work, and that’s what the founding fathers intended: Real choice, not choice between two or nothing. Only way to maintain the ability to truly choose is to do just that: truly choose. If you like McCain and believe he is the best for the job, then vote for him. If you like Obama and believe he is the best for the job, then you’re insane, but vote for him because you have the right to choose.
You also have the right to choose not to vote at all, which I would suggest for the people who don’t pay attention to politics.
Finally, you have the right to vote for a third-party candidate, or write in who you think will be the best candidate. McCain sucks, Obama sucks worse, and I haven’t found a third party candidate that doesn’t suck. I’ll write in who I think is best, and I’ll have done my duty to my country in making an effort to put who I believe is the right man for the job in there.
And that pisses you off, and I don’t care, because McCain is not at all the right man. And you know it.
MadisonConservative on June 19, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Obama is beating McCain by a landslide among Hispanics. He looks like he will easily get the 65% which Hispanics normally give Democrats.
flenser on June 19, 2008 at 6:51 PM
So I’m not “very satisfied.” I’ll still drag my hiney to the voting booth and vote for McCain, as the alternative is . . . I’d rather not think about that.
Splashman on June 19, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Yep, it’s better to vote Maverick and drive off the cliff at 30 MPH rather than 90 MPH.
kirkill on June 19, 2008 at 6:58 PM
these polls are all horse sh*t. wait until after mccain demolishes mr obama in the debates and then check the state polls. then add up the electoral votes. everything else is bunk.
DrW on June 19, 2008 at 6:59 PM
You called him a liar. He showed proof that what he said is not a lie. You not only refused to acknowledge it, and you not only did not apologize for slandering him, but you slandered him again. You have no guts, pal. Man up and admit you were wrong.
MadisonConservative on June 19, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Couple flawed assumptions.
First is that Barry’s gonna do well with evangelicals. Doesn’t matter how he polls now, by election day they won’t vote for him. Because he was so rabidly for abortion in Illinois, and because they already have a Messiah, so at some point his whole cult of personality campaign will turn them off.
Second is that once a bunch of effort begins being made in southern states to register blacks who have never voted before to vote for Obama for no other reason than the color of his skin, well, what’ll happen is that a lot of whites who have never voted before will register and wind up voting for McCain for the same reason.
Typhoon on June 19, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Yes I did. He lied. He repeatedly claims I have some link with McCain, and there is none. Just because I don’t want to see Obama as the next president, and I am sick and tired of his repeated lies on this site every day, and I call him out on his lies, he uses the same, old prank by linking to the hated McCain’s website in an attempt to slandering me.
“He showed proof that what he said is not a lie.”
No, not at all. But keep dreaming of an Obama win, “conservative,” because that’s whats going to happen when you, him, and other real conservatives decide not to participate in this election where the democrats will overwhelmingly vote for their candidate. And that is what is at stake. You two are just peas in a pod, mister.
wise_man on June 19, 2008 at 7:10 PM
You called him a liar after he stated McCain talked about “obscene profits”, which was the ONLY assertion he made that could be a lie. He backed it up with a quote of McCain from the New York Post. Acknowledge it or quit trolling, coward.
MadisonConservative on June 19, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Thanks, but don’t waste your time. I have repeatedly tried to engage _man in substantive discussions, and he has never, ever reciprocated.
He ignores anything substantive, and goes on to accuse me, and others who disagree with him, of lying, being liars, being liberals, and siding with the NY Times. And wanting Bambi to be President, etc, etc.
I’m guessing he’s on the youngish side, because he’s trying to sell the End-Of-The-World-If-Obama-Gets-Elected meme, which tells me he hasn’t paid attention to politics for very long.
And he also pushes the Shut-Up-About-McCain’s-Obvious-Flaws position, which is another indication of his unfamiliarity with politics.
It’s entertaining, anyway.
misterpeasea on June 19, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Hey now, I’m 25 dammit. Don’t lump me in with ignorant_man. :p
MadisonConservative on June 19, 2008 at 7:26 PM
What makes you think he wants to hold the GOP base. He’s been giving them the middle finger for months- whenever he gets a chance to show he isn’t an out-of-touch, slightly incoherent leftie.
My theory is that McCain intends to run as a stealth independent, siphon off enough pissed off femanists and wack-a-doodle RINOs so that he doesn’t have to be beholden to the GOP base. He can then join his pals in the Democrat party to implement an agenda very similar to Obama. The Achilles heel of McCain’s plan is that in politics if you aren’t beholden to anybody, nobody is beholden to you either. His new found moonbat friends will abandon him quickly and he won’t have any “base” in which to muster forces and launch a rally of the McCainistic Liberalist agenda.
Lame duck by year two.
highhopes on June 19, 2008 at 7:29 PM
I think it shows the Republicans are more mentally healthy, the bulk of HA populace notwithstanding. I can’t imagine a circumstance I’d be “very satisfied” with any politician.
freevillage on June 19, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Every limbo McBoy and McGirl
All around the McLimbo world
Gonna do the McLimbo crock
All around the McLimbo clock
Juan be McLimbo, Juan thinks hes pulling a McTrick
Juan go unda Pollster’s limbo stick
All around the McLimbo clock
Hey, let’s do the McLimbo rock
McLimbo lower now
McLimbo lower now
How low can Juan go
MB4 on June 19, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Dang you’re good. I give you 74 Hot Air points!
RushBaby on June 19, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Hmmm….if I were the candidate, I think I’d be very satisfied, other than that….not so much.
Though, given how often you have to compromise to get things done in politics, I’d probably only feel “meh” about myself as a candidate too.
JadeNYU on June 19, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Considering how many Republicans don’t like the guy, even when he’s the nominee, it makes you wonder how he became the nominee in the first place.
Grayson on June 19, 2008 at 8:07 PM
FIFY.
thirteen28 on June 19, 2008 at 8:10 PM
I’m guessing it is the process so much as it is the candidate. Clinton supporters upset that Obama got the delegates. On the GOP side, I think the disenchantment comes from the fact that the primary system simply wasn’t fair. Candidates with real street creds beat themselves enough that a cranky out of touch liberal who hates real Republicans got the GOP nomination by default. In other words, Republicans were cheated out of a legitimate voice in this election. They aren’t just dissatisfied, they are seriously pissed off with being forced into supporting McCain instead of a Republican.
highhopes on June 19, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Start with early states, Iowa, etc, and democrats, encouraged by DKos among others, crossing over to vote against the conservatives in our open primaries.
RushBaby on June 19, 2008 at 8:21 PM
To simplify the poll so non-conservatives can understand, McCain is a liberal loser. He will never “out liberal” the Maxist Obama, therefore, he’s a loser. And an idiot.
Zorro on June 19, 2008 at 8:32 PM
I’m shocked that 12% are ‘very satisfied’. He’s a worthless piece of crap. I keep hearing “We have to vote for him, he’ll nominate conservative judges to the Supreme Court”. Helloooo. Gang of fourteen was led by WHO? He’s so damned anxious to work with dems that I don’t see that happening. He’ll pick a name from a list supplied to him by Reid.
darwin-t on June 19, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Careful, wise_man might come back and call you a lying liar of lies that lie.
Grayson on June 19, 2008 at 8:49 PM
I hate to say it, folks…he may be a turd, but he’s our turd. At this point, I don’t see any way he’s going to win…even against a democrat candidate that my 12 year old niece could beat just by grinning at the camera and saying nothing…but I’ll vote and hope and pray…that’s all we can do.
AUINSC on June 19, 2008 at 8:55 PM
I think the only way McShamensty can be elected is if democrats dems vote for him.
Oh sure a few liberal republicans will vote for him but in the end we are just screwed.
TheSitRep on June 19, 2008 at 8:56 PM
I think I’ve figured out who wise_man might actually be.
Incidentally, I think it’s hilarious that his book is selling for less than a buck and two bits.
MadisonConservative on June 19, 2008 at 9:03 PM
“McCain’s inability to draw out the southern base” Hmmmh, yeah gonna have to disagree here…It has been well documented that Obama has trouble with working class whites. Southern whites, most of whom are of the non-college educated working class variety, are the southern base and they will overwhelmingly support McCain. Yes, Hussein will get 90% of blacks who will turn-out in large numbers…It will be a horse-race…The question is whether 90% of blacks turning out in large number coupled with a minority of whites will be enough to carry southern states for Obama.
Nozzle on June 19, 2008 at 9:12 PM
thats for sure…McObaMahdi is going to be a disaster for this country….
right4life on June 19, 2008 at 9:16 PM
the republican establishment is very blue-blood moderate, they never liked reagan, and they barely tolerate christian conservatives….hell with em
right4life on June 19, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Well, there is a certain segment of the Left that desperately has to cling to the notion that they are moderates/independents/etc.
One good way to do this is to register (R) and vote (D). It seems that whenever you dig a little deeper on “Obamacons” you find out the last Republican they voted for was Ford, or some State Rep who was marginally more left wing then his Democrat opponent.
Of course, in fairness, I have also spoken with a few legitimate conservatives who are going to vote for Obama. They believe that the politcal system has become rotten to the core and Obama is just the incompetent extremist to cause a collapse.
18-1 on June 19, 2008 at 9:19 PM
It would seem to me that if that many Republicans were really all that unhappy with McCain, they would have found an alternative. But then again, they did not much like the alternatives either. And if they did, it would only be a matter of time before a bunch of them turned on said alternative.
Maybe part of the problem is not just the nominee, but the public mood in general. It does not seem to me that very many people are happy with either candidate really.
And btw, most people do think that the oil companies make obscene profits. They also think that athletes make obscene money and movie stars make obscene money. So what if McCain said the oil companies make a lot of money, so long as he is not trying to nationalize the oil companies like some of those crazies on the other side of aisle I really don’t care.
People are pissed at everyone, the White House, the Congress, the Courts, the oil companies, just about everyone.
But all in all I like McCain and I will vote for him. As for the part of the base that just can not get past the whole immigration thing…. they had their shot with Tancredo or Duncan Hunter and neither of them could make it past the single digits. So maybe that whole McShamnesty thing kind of backfired on some people. Maybe the purity wars ran so many people off that no one wants the job that badly anyway.
Terrye on June 19, 2008 at 9:21 PM
I see it the other way. If a know-nothing dipshit like Obama has the nerve to run for Pres. of the US, and most people say yahoo, I think a lot of people will toss their hat in the ring.
I’m unqualified too, but hell I’ll do it.
JiangxiDad on June 19, 2008 at 9:26 PM
darwin:
A worthless piece of crap??? That is so nasty. One of the reasons I started voting for Republicans was the disrepect that I felt so many Democrats paid to military people. McCain spent years of his life in the military and while that does not mean you have to vote for the man, it should give him a higher rank than piece of crap.
One of the biggest problems Republicans have right now is that a lot of people do not want to be Republicans. Now of course we will hear that is because the RINOs are not pure enough, but the truth is people are becoming Democrats instead. So obviously they are not feeling the need to go far right. If they wanted that they could always vote for Ron Paul. No, people are not liking Republicans very much right now and if they want to win Republicans need to find away to connect with people again. Bush managed to do quite well at that not so long ago. He is out of favor now, but that was not always the case. Republicans need to get back to that.
Terrye on June 19, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Jiang:
Jump right in there.
Terrye on June 19, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Reagan’s eleventh commandant was “thou shall not speak evil of a fellow Republican”. Critical analysis of McCain is so much water under the bridge at this point…The goal is to keep a marxist racist empty suit out of the White House…The dems have only won the White House three times in the last forty years. Not much of a record and Hussein has got to be considered a weak offering regardless of what the polls are saying. He has virtually no record, no executive experience, no military experience, no business experience, and virtually no political experience at the National level. He is coy about wearing flag pins, spent twenty years in a racist hate-filled Church, and is on record as being happy about where gas prices are right now…Keep the faith…He is weak. Lee Atwater or Karl Rove could send this guy back to the Southside of Chicago with hat in hand faster than you could say giddyup! The next few months will be very telling…
Nozzle on June 19, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I need a godfather and a private jet. Will get back to you when that’s done. (Damn good thing I don’t need a philosophy.)
JiangxiDad on June 19, 2008 at 9:44 PM
I call BS on this…43% of prissy little conservative prom queens maybe, but not real stand up Republicans who know how to chew up a gristly and chewy McCain steak smothered in global warming, amnesty sauce, and garnished with organic ANWR arrugula.
windansea on June 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM
McCain is as dumb as he is cranky.
cjs1943 on June 19, 2008 at 9:50 PM
PS
If I were you, I’d be writing up an irrevocable tax free family trust before November.
windansea on June 19, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Jiang:
Not really. You need to run for the state legislature. Gotta start somewhere.
Terrye on June 19, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Romeo:
I think the larger point is that there is not anyone who that 43% would be very satisfied with. No such critter. Even Reagan would not be good enough for a lot of these people. That is the problem. They can complain about the candidates all they want, but they started out with an army of people. Huckabee, Rudy, Tancredo, then there was Thompson, Duncan Hunter, Sam Brownback, Mitt Romney and all people could do was bitch about the choices. They did not have a better idea, they just complained.
Terrye on June 19, 2008 at 9:56 PM
*applause*
MadisonConservative on June 19, 2008 at 9:56 PM
LOL…
From our friends at AP
Drop THAT name into the poll and let’s look at the numbers.
Limerick on June 19, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Romeo:
I think the larger point is that there is not anyone who that 43% would be very satisfied with. No such critter. Even Reagan would not be good enough for a lot of these people. That is the problem. They can complain about the candidates all they want, but they started out with an army of people. Huckabee, Rudy, Tancredo, then there was Thompson, Duncan Hunter, Sam Brownback, Mitt Romney and all people could do was bitch about the choices. They did not have a better idea, they just complained.
I think this started about the time of Shiavo or around there, it seems that is when people started to cool toward Republicans. And then came the inter party fights. Believe it or not when the conservative pundits started to go after Bush that hurt Republicans. After all telling people that the Republican president is selling to ports to terrorists or that he is part of some North American Union conspiracy craziness does not help the rest of the party one bit.
Terrye on June 19, 2008 at 10:04 PM
The truth is, McCain doesn’t like us conservatives…he knows he can, to some extent, take us for granted while he plays the “me too! Obama!” shtick. But, it won’t work. The few lefties and indies he gains by spouting Global Warming TRUTH are mostly too stoned to know who they are voting for or very crazy Paulbot truthers who think Obama was in on the whole 911 thing too. Pandering to the left only makes him a very second-place kinda guy in the whole ‘I’m more marxist and ethnic than thou’ race that is now playing out.
AUINSC on June 19, 2008 at 10:04 PM
I don’t want Obama to be the next president, the republican primary is over and this is now a two man race. You and people like you are slandering McCain and beating him down for sometimes legitimate issues but mostly you offer only defeatism for our party and by advocating that people not vote for McCain and/or voting for a third party candidate or writing in a name that is both guaranteed to loose, but you will be so proud with yourselves because your protest feels good to you …. I mention this – try to talk some sense into you people, and I am Al Franken?
Maybe you need to buy this book, that is suitably titled for you … and then stop advocating what the democrats want us all to do because at this point it only benefits them.
wise_man on June 19, 2008 at 10:16 PM
LOL, indeed enough. Your post couldn’t be more ironic even if you tried.
freevillage on June 19, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Yeah, your right, that must be the 43% of the Republican party that is still conservative.
Those that think conservatism is more important than YOUR party.
Romeo13 on June 19, 2008 at 10:28 PM
AUNSC:
McCain does not dislike conservatives. He votes conservative far more often than not. The fact that he does not say how high when they say jump does not mean he dislikes them. However, many of them have made plain that they dislike him. The namecalling, the threats of abandonment, the ultimatums, the attacks on the man’s character do not exactly help create a warm relationship. The cry baby sore loser thing is tiresome after awhile. We started this primary with more than 6 candidates and McCain is the guy who won it. If conservatives are that pissed off about it maybe they should have gotten behind one of the other candidates early in the race. Instead we get bitch bitch bitch.
Terrye on June 19, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Good question. The more-truthful one, from the McCain/RNC perspective at least, is: How do they create a new center-left base while pandering just enough to the former base to not get squeezed all the way out of existence?
steveegg on June 19, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Romeo:
No one who thought conservatism was important would sit back and let the Democrats win the White House with a possibility of them in a super majority in the Congress. That is not a principled stand, it is just self defeating and hypocritical.
And if they do that, then I think that Republicans should remember who the real RINOs are. Besides conservatives have no one but themselves to blame. It is not McCain’s fault he won, what is he supposed to do? Bail out and force people to accept Romney whether they want him or not? I mean, conservatives are acting as if they have been screwed just because they could not field a candidate who could win.
Terrye on June 19, 2008 at 10:39 PM
AUNSC:
I would say that McCain has treated a lot of people who dislike him with more respect than he has received from them. What does he have to do, grovel?
Terrye on June 19, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Huh? I’m not talking about respect, I’m talking about his actual stated positions…lot’s of people who I think are completely wrong-headed are respectful…and I reciprocate…but, that has nothing to do with the positions they support.
AUINSC on June 19, 2008 at 10:48 PM
AUNSC:
In your post you did not speak about positions, so much as dislike. You said McCain disliked conservatives. Most Americans consider McCain to be conservative. And his voting record does put him on the center right to right. His overall record is about 83% I believe.
I know that I am not going to agree with any candidate on all issues. That is just not a realistic desire. However, McCain is a lot further to the right than Obama is. He is a lot more experienced and able to handle the job of President than Obama is. It is better for the country that McCain win. That is my opinion. So what if we do not agree on all positions?
This poll said 43% were not thrilled with McCain, well what about the 57%, don’t they count?
Terrye on June 19, 2008 at 10:59 PM
how funny since it was the ny times that endorsed john mccain. gee i just love reminding the mccain people of that little factoid!!
chasdal on June 19, 2008 at 11:05 PM
This very post seems to disprove your assertion, but whatever.
AUINSC on June 19, 2008 at 11:07 PM
McCain referred to “obscene profits”. It was documented by the NY Post, a link to which was provided, which means it is not slander. Admit you were wrong, that you slandered someone as a liar, or you are a worthless coward.
MadisonConservative on June 19, 2008 at 11:14 PM
I have not noticed McCain acting as if he did not care. I have noticed that a great many of the people who have decided that they don’t like him are not inclined to trust him anyway. I am not sure there is anything he can do to please them. Maybe they don’t want to be pleased. Maybe they like it this way.
When McCain agreed to off shore drilling, that was a move to the right and the reaction was to bitch about ANWR. When McCain agreed to do border security first that was a move to the right and the response was mostly to call him Juan McShamnesty and assume he is lying.
I like Bush, I would even vote for him again. But since he won his second term the right has bitched about him too, even though it hurt the party as much as it hurt him. I am beginning to think that this is just the way some people like it.
Terrye on June 19, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Heh
Because the primary was stacked with candidates representing the various schisms in the GOP base, to split out the conservative vote. These same candidates then gave their delegates faster than you can say ’straw dog’ to non-conservative McCain.
These dogs didn’t bother to wait for the convention where supposedly they would trade their delegates for influence on behalf of the coalitions they represented.
That was the cheesy part. The dogs felt so confident they had destroyed the enemy they didn’t bother to wait. Of course then their own naive delegates might have assumed they were there to fight for platform influence and that had to be squelched.
Had these same candidates maintained the pretense into the convention the conservative base might have been fooled into believing there were no longer enough conservatives in America to front a political party.
The conservative base has been royally suckered and is now being told to ‘Get Over It’. That is not a formula for winning people back to the fold.
entagor on June 19, 2008 at 11:16 PM
entagor:
That is crazy. The conservative base has not been snookered. They had every chance to come up with a candidate. I don’t care if it is was Newt Gingrich, they had the same chance as anyone else. Now instead of facing the fact that they lost, they create conspiracies, whine, assume they were robbed and in general act as if they have been badly used.
In fact they had several good conservatives to choose from and did not get behind any of them.
Terrye on June 19, 2008 at 11:22 PM
AUNSC:
I think McCain cares. And I think he has tried to reach out. He has been rebuffed.
Terrye on June 19, 2008 at 11:24 PM
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