Hot Air Mobile
Home The Vault Gear About
Hot Air -- get your fill


McCain: Lift embargo on off-shore drilling

posted at 10:41 am on June 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Share on Facebook | printer-friendly

John McCain told a Houston audience yesterday that he supports ending the ban on off-shore drilling in order to increase domestic production of oil. The White House wasted no time in issuing support for the proposition, but the environmentalists that McCain wanted to woo may have heard enough. The moratorium on drilling has existed since the early days of the Reagan administration, but the rising price of gasoline may have doomed it:

Sen. John McCain on Tuesday proposed lifting the ban on offshore drilling as part of his plan to reduce dependence on foreign oil and help combat rising gas prices.

“The stakes are high for our citizens and for our economy,” McCain, the presumed Republican nominee for president, said at a press conference Tuesday in Houston, Texas. …

“For years, the president has pushed Congress to expand our domestic oil supply, but Democrats in Congress have consistently blocked such action,” she said.

This news comes as a relief to consumers who have waited for some promise of action at any level of the government. Thus far, the only proposals heard were those that would compound the problem of inadequate supply. Democrats in Congress attempted to impose a “cap and trade” system that amounted to nothing less than a rationing system that would effectively nationalize the energy industry. Democratic candidates continue to offer “windfall profits taxes” that would eliminate investment capital and pass along even more price increases to the consumer.

Only new supplies can address the rising demand for oil as well as runaway speculation. The latter is based on instability in a number of oil-producing nations, and not just Iran and Iraq. Sudan now teeters on the verge of a failed state, and Venezuela’s nationalization has damaged its ability to produce its sulphuric crude. Introducing major new streams of production would increase the stability of global supply and remove one of the key engines for speculation-based pricing.

Democrats, of course, objected to McCain’s shift on offshore drilling. Almost to a person, they complained about McCain’s flip-flop and the potential damage to their tourist dollars. However, a couple of key points have to be made. Most (if not all) offshore platforms would be well out of sight of beachgoers; for some reason, politicians seem to think of oil derricks built in the 1920s when discussing this issue. Spills are very rare, certainly less prevalent than oil tankers running aground or splitting open as part of the way we have to import oil now.

Also, when prices continue to rise, people fly and drive less, which means that the tourism business will suffer much more broadly than it will at the sight of a couple of oil rigs. Perhaps someone should explain that to Bill Nelson (D-FL). As an example, Continental cut a number of routes from its service yesterday to save on fuel prices.

Nothing in this effort says that states have to drill off-shore. McCain and the White House would merely remove the federal roadblocks that keep states from doing so if they desire, which is a truly federalist approach. It’s a long-overdue move that will encourage the US to take responsibility for its own energy needs, instead of begging everyone else in the world to drill their resources before ours.


Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2

The President just went after Congress for not pursuing this in the Rose Garden. I wish he had said what he just did for these past 7 years.

amerpundit on June 18, 2008 at 10:45 AM

McCain needs to go back to Washington and introduce the bill, and Mitch McConnell needs to attach to every single piece of legislation going through the Senate until it adjourns. How many times will Barack Obama vote against it, or will be absent, or vote “present”? Use those Senate rules to get this issue at the front of voters’ minds every time they put $70 into their gas tanks this summer.

rockmom on June 18, 2008 at 10:46 AM

It’s about time.

LickyLicky on June 18, 2008 at 10:46 AM

Since the early days of the Reagan administration

Hmmm…do you think Reagan allowed the ban, knowing that the price of oil would be much higher one day? You know, sit on your assets until the price goes through the roof, then sell? Brilliant!

jgapinoy on June 18, 2008 at 10:48 AM

Someone explain this nonsense to me please.

How is it that the Feds can ban or embargo offshore drilling on one hand, and then say it’s up to the states whether to allow drilling or not, off their shores?

Either the Feds can ban or allow or not. Which is it?

If they can say screw what the states want, as in Alaska, we are in control. How can they now say no drilling in ANWR?

Who’s in fucking control here! The states or the feds?

roninacreage on June 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM

I’m being facetious, of course.

jgapinoy on June 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM

24 years in DC and he’s just figuring out were he stands? Please blame like me when he loses. I prefer my unprincipled, flip flopping, say anything to get elected, big government liberals to have a D after their name.

Angry Dumbo on June 18, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Whoever got to this first was the winner.

Now- just let the Democrats act like lobbyists for the Saudis, as Obama is doing now.

Perfect.

Just think- Obama and Osama both want high oil prices. They sem to have a common interest.

drjohn on June 18, 2008 at 10:50 AM

If I were the Gov of Alaska, I would sign an executive order of my own, using the 10th Amendment of States Rights, and allow drilling in ANWR immediately. Make the feds try and stop her.

roninacreage on June 18, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Indeed it is about time. The Congress parades oil executives up there to point fingers and blame, but they handcuff that industry. The Congress is AT FAULT for banning domestic drilling. The Federal Government OUTLAWED something that obviously would be beneficial to the government. It is amazing to me that these people are ‘leaders’ complaining about OPEC, Big Oil, and everyone but the root of the problem. . . government.

It also seems to me that drilling off shore would be much more environmentally hazardous than any drilling on dry land in ANWR. Of course that is WAAAAY too much to ask the ‘maverick’ to support. But at least he’s finally realized that the Congress (with him in it) was in the way of American progress and national security. . . if only we can get him to see the error of congress’ ways in ANWR – but of course, he likes the congress to maintain some power over the pitiful masses.

ThackerAgency on June 18, 2008 at 10:53 AM

Democrats … complained about McCain’s flip-flop …

That’s the GOOD kind of flip-flop. Now, if only he’d flip-flop on ANWR!

Tony737 on June 18, 2008 at 10:53 AM

Which is more important: the politics behind the decision or the decision itself?

LickyLicky on June 18, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Oh No!!!!I’m gonna have a heart attack!!!!! I can’t believe it!!!! “Elizabeth I’m coming to you!!!”

A positive Mac story on Hot Air!!!!

LtE126 on June 18, 2008 at 10:54 AM

President Bush, brief and to the point.

1. OCS – 18 billion barrels – restrictions are outdated – exec ban will be lifted
2. oil shale – 3X the oil reserves available in SA 10 billion barrels
3. ANWR – 10 billion barrels
4. refineries – 30 yrs since last one built

Brief and to the point.

27 billion in Atl, Pac, & Gulf

America – 3rd largest prod of oil 8.3? billion/day

SA 262 billion in reserves

Memo to Congress: Just do it!

Connie on June 18, 2008 at 10:54 AM

You go McCain!

kirkill on June 18, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Elizabeth I’m coming to you!!!

Now you’re referencing the old TV show about a young, cool Black guy & the old grouch that always embarrasses him. What was it called…Wright & Obama?

jgapinoy on June 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM

A positive Mac story on Hot Air!!!!

LtE126 on June 18, 2008 at 10:54 AM

It’s positive because he’s admitting he was wrong. If he’d do it on immigration there’d be another positive story. If he’d admit he’s wrong on cap and trade, that’d be another positive story. If he’d admit he’s wrong on the Campaign finance debacle, that’d be another positive story. If he’d admit he’s wrong on closing Guantanamo and publicly chastizing our country for ‘torture’ he’d have another positive story.

We’d be glad to comment on positive McCain stories. The problem is the ‘maverick’ has to admit he’s wrong more often. . . you know like he did to the blacks and MLK holiday.

ThackerAgency on June 18, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Senator,

Not good enough. Increasing drilling is a long term proposition. What we need from you and your opponent is a clear PLAN and not all these little feel good gimmicks that do absolutely nothing to address the nations needs. You and your opponent are seeking our votes for the Presidency. It seems to me that it would be irresponsible to give you or your opponent that support until you both go back to the Senate and pass meaningul responsible legislation that is the basis of a legitimate energy policy for this nation.

highhopes on June 18, 2008 at 11:01 AM

How is it the feds DO NOT need the states permission to BAN drilling, yet they are now saying they need the states permission to ALLOW it?

A full spineless copout by Bush and McCain in my opinion.

roninacreage on June 18, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Drill and build nukes. If for no reason other than Al Gore needs the extra energy.

rbj on June 18, 2008 at 11:02 AM

You’ve all turned into Paulnuts.

If he kissed your ‘nads at State and Madison you’d still talk s–t.

LtE126 on June 18, 2008 at 11:03 AM

Hopefully this will put to rest those accusations thrown at McCain about him being some kind of eco-maniac. Although I disagree with him on ANWR, he doesn’t want to drill there because it would be “industrializing” a portion of pristine land. Again, McCain is much more like Teddy Roosevelt than Algore.

JetBoy on June 18, 2008 at 11:06 AM

I appreciate that the man is not afraid to admit when he is wrong and change direction. If Bush had had that quality he would have put Patraeus in charge of Iraq in 2004 and we would still have both houses.

revolution on June 18, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Drill for oil? How quaint! Oh, Johnny, while you’re at it, how about fixing the $#%& border!

GarandFan on June 18, 2008 at 11:07 AM

A full spineless copout by Bush and McCain in my opinion.

roninacreage on June 18, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Did anyone get the specifics of what Peterson (sp?) just explained about how far off coast the states have control?

Connie on June 18, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Good job Mr. president . . . now, he and McCain need to ride those left wing Democrats until they collapse under the pressure.

rplat on June 18, 2008 at 11:10 AM

LtE126 on June 18, 2008 at 11:03 AM

Yep. No matter what they have the knives out.

Paulites, Birchers, No-Government-Libertarians. Idealists who believe we don’t need to fix the country. We need a new one instead.

Limerick on June 18, 2008 at 11:11 AM

The dems response just minutes ago said the oil companies already have permission to drill in existing reserves, but are refusing to do so. They claim they are hoarding and/or stockpiling them.

roninacreage on June 18, 2008 at 11:11 AM

I wish he had said what he just did for these past 7 years.

amerpundit on June 18, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Boy, you aint lying there!

Weight of Glory on June 18, 2008 at 11:12 AM

next up the oil shale.

3 Trillion blls sitting in CO and UT

environmentalism is on the defensive now. the cap and trade bill woke people up, the gas price woke people up.

It takes a rich, strong economy to protect the environment.

unseen on June 18, 2008 at 11:12 AM

You’ve all turned into Paulnuts.

If he kissed your ‘nads at State and Madison you’d still talk s–t.
LtE126 on June 18, 2008 at 11:03 AM

McCain making one positive move isn’t enough. Their mission is to keep McCain from being president at all costs. It doesn’t matter what the consequences are. And if America does spiral down into a Obama malaise, then they will simply blame McCain for not being a better conservative, not themselves for standing up and being counted as so many democrats voted for Obama while they stuck their finger in their arse and did nothing.

Well, nothing .. but bitch and complain on conservative message boards about how much of a crappy candidate McCain was. Telling them they are acting like Paultards is an insult for all of the real retards out there who really don’t know what they are doing.

wise_man on June 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM

roninacreage on June 18, 2008 at 11:11 AM

It is a carnard. An example would be like buying beer at a bar as opposed to buying it by the case.

those leases will not produce the BIG finds. They will produce many small finds but nothing like the big reserves offshore, in alaska, and in the rockies.

unseen on June 18, 2008 at 11:14 AM

roninacreage on June 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM

It has to do with what is considered federal lands and what is state lands. Most states have a certain millage limitation for its waters. After that it becomes federal zones. In Alaska most of the lands were bought by the federal government back when the USA bought Alaska off of the Russians in 1867. The same functions are in force for a large part of the western USA due to the westward expansion, Indian wars, Louisianian purchase etc.

unseen on June 18, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Robert Kennedy Jr was on Fox N Friends this morning arguing the states rights position for drilling. At least that’s what I caught of the conversation. Kinda surprising.

Anyway…

Only new supplies can address the rising demand for oil as well as runaway speculation.

New supplies of energy, not just oil. You probably meant that but I’m just clarifying. It’s important to include nuclear and any other alternate energy sources that make sense into the equation.

Dash on June 18, 2008 at 11:26 AM

wise_man on June 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM

I tend to agree with you. McCain is an idiot but at least he will not be as bad as BHO.

unseen on June 18, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Among all the reasons we should exploit all of our oil deposits, no matter the composition, is for the cash we don’t send overseas. The canard that we can’t drill our way out of this should be thrown back in the user’s face. Drilling keeps trillions of dollars here.

As to flip flopping McCain should say absolutely. When gas heads towards $5 a gallon I change all my priorities.

Lastly Mr McCain, get your ass on a plane to visit Ms. Palin and a joint trip to ANWR sponsored by the local Inuit tribe that wants to drill on their land. When folks see the real pics of ANWR, not the stock photos that aren’t even near ANWR, the pristine environment mentality will change.

map

http://www.anwr.org/docs/CloseupofareaIII.pdf

pic

http://www.anwr.org/gallery/pages/17-Caribou_no_impact.htm

http://www.anwr.org/gallery/pages/25-Alpine%20winter_exploration.htm

http://www.anwr.org/gallery/pages/44-Coastal_Plain.htm

patrick neid on June 18, 2008 at 11:28 AM

Dash on June 18, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Alternative energy is fine within a plan. But we need more oil until we can make the switch. There needs to be a plan in congress and government to switch from one to the othewr in a certain timeframe and all effort must go to making that switch and to providing the low oil until that switch is made.

unseen on June 18, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Somehow, in my head, the word “federalist” has become synonymous with the phrase “rhetorical dodge.”

Might not be the case here, but I just keep seeing that word … and I do not think it means what we think it means.

TheUnrepentantGeek on June 18, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Notice how often the McCain supporters here resort to ad hominem attacks? This is generally taken to be an indication of a very weak position.

Bugler on June 18, 2008 at 11:41 AM

It would nice if they ended the roadblocks to allow more refineries to be built. Increasing the production of oil is great, but it still needs to be refined into fuel. Increasing the supply of oil will lower prices, but without also increasing refining capacity, I do not see the price of fuel dropping as much. I applaud South Dakota.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 18, 2008 at 11:43 AM

Bugler on June 18, 2008 at 11:41 AM

I’ve no doubt that the McNos are sincere in their positions. It is just that ALL those positions boil down to one end……Let the Dems tear the country down, we’ll make another one after they are done. That is the bottom line. It isn’t McCain they object to, it is the country itself.

Limerick on June 18, 2008 at 11:46 AM

I appreciate that the man is not afraid to admit when he is wrong and change direction. If Bush had had that quality he would have put Patraeus in charge of Iraq in 2004 and we would still have both houses.

revolution on June 18, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Oh Come On! Extra dose of the McCain Kool-aid this morning?

Bush didn’t lose Congress, Republican Congressmen got to be greedy Democrats when it came to fiscal responsiblity and the party lost as a result.

highhopes on June 18, 2008 at 11:47 AM

Notice how often the McCain supporters here resort to ad hominem attacks?

While the other side keeps its hands pristine? Are you actually reading these threads?

LtE126 on June 18, 2008 at 11:03 AM

The man has a point.

DrSteve on June 18, 2008 at 11:47 AM

Better late than never. Who cares if it’s a flip-flop–McCain can claim amazing grace–I once was blind, but now I see!

While the Democrats bury their heads in the sand…

Steve Z on June 18, 2008 at 11:49 AM

Notice how often the McCain supporters here resort to ad hominem attacks? This is generally taken to be an indication of a very weak position.

It’s more the weakness of the candidate. Keep in mind that this primary wasn’t a fair representation of the party. Rather, it was an engineered event by the McCain wing to foist a liberal on the party in order to repel all the social conservatives and evangelicals.

I would venture to say that there are very few of the “Moonbats for McCain” crowd that really had him as their first choice. Nevertheless, they opted to drink the Kool-aid. They are compensating for thier frustration by screaming McCain Derangement Syndrome whenever anybody posts legitimate criticism of the cranky old bastard who forced his way onto the top of the ticket.

highhopes on June 18, 2008 at 11:53 AM

The President just went after Congress for not pursuing this in the Rose Garden.

amerpundit on June 18, 2008 at 10:45 AM

So, where did Congress pursue it? The South Lawn?

BigD on June 18, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Nobody can spin like Ed can spin.

Nonfactor on June 18, 2008 at 11:54 AM

McCain wants to give states a larger fraction of the revenue. How about this: far offshore is NOT under a state’s control. The oil revenue goes to the state that allows it to be shipped onshore. A state can block shipping, but not far-offshore drilling.

Now we get a market.

njcommuter on June 18, 2008 at 11:55 AM

Barak Obama Feb 29 2008

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent “Defense Priorities Board” to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

While the McNos make their points about amnesty, the fence, oil, they are also throwing all of the above under the bus.
Slowing our defense modernization is soooooooooo worth that, you see.

Limerick on June 18, 2008 at 11:55 AM

The attacks arise from the same stimulus. Most people are spending their time trying to make lemonade as opposed to complaining all the time. The anti McCain nuts could care less what the arguments are. McCain has to go down. That’s it.

Personally I’m surprised that folks even waste their time with these ideologues.

McCain get your ass up to Alaska and go on a tour with Ms Palin to ANWR. Plus get some sun or put on some tanning cream–you look like death warmed over under the spot lights. Think Ronnie-tan and healthy looking at all times. Jeez.

patrick neid on June 18, 2008 at 11:57 AM

It isn’t McCain they object to, it is the country itself.

Not sure what this means, exactly. It is McCain I object to. I object specifically to McCain’s pronounced, consistent preference for increasing the power of government at the expense of individual freedom.

Bugler on June 18, 2008 at 11:57 AM

I wish I had a gallon of gas for every time I’ve heard one of the liberal mouthpieces parrot their idiot catchphrase. “you can’t drill your way out of this crisis” All I have to say is you can’t bullshit your way out of it either.

alycan1 on June 18, 2008 at 12:00 PM

DrSteve on June 18, 2008 at 11:47 AM

I can tell you that in my case the first shot came the other direction. Day after McCain secured enough delegates to win the nomination one vile poster here spelled out in gory detail how McCain was going to “take back” the party and dispose of social conservatives and evangelicals. It was a petty hate-filled rant that spoke volumes about McCain supporters.

I’ve had no qualms returning fire after that encounter because it is clear by the McCain moonbats here and the Senator’s own words that he doesn’t hold the traditional conservative values I do. I’m not going to accept the myth that I’m the one out of synch and I need to “shut the f**k up and vote McCain” because Obama is worse. I didn’t leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me and if they want my vote they are going have to prove that McCain is a man worthy of the job of President. So far, bomb throwing seems to be all McCain’s toads have to offer since it is the rare post that tells me why I should vote FOR McCain instead of listing all the reasons I should vote AGAINST Obama.

highhopes on June 18, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Bugler on June 18, 2008 at 11:57 AM

I fully admit that McCain is left of center when it comes to the base of the party. I’ve never argued differently. What is so upsetting to the McNos isn’t McCain himself, it is the fact that half the country is left of center. Defeating McCain will somehow make that half of the country cease to exist. After the country is drug through a sewer pipe that might be true.

Limerick on June 18, 2008 at 12:02 PM

I wish I had a gallon of gas for every time I’ve heard one of the liberal mouthpieces parrot their idiot catchphrase. “you can’t drill your way out of this crisis”

That sounds like the makings of a drinking game.

highhopes on June 18, 2008 at 12:03 PM

McCain needs to be much stronger on this issue and HAMMER the socialists and their eco-Marxist puppet masters on this every single day. He also needs to visit ANWR and then admit he was wrong and then support drilling there. We CAN drill our way out of this. Th repercussions of us drilling our own oil would be huge. Maybe we could even bring about the collapse of OPEC. We could certainly force Chavez from office when his oil money dries up after the price drop. We could keep US wealth in the US instead of putting it in the hands of Sovereign Wealth Funds to buy up US assets. When will the SWFs take advantage of the current crisis to buy up a flailing US airline of automaker? What will the Dems do then?

DerKrieger on June 18, 2008 at 12:04 PM

A baby step at best, in the right direction.

Until McCain heads back to his ‘day job’ and actually introduces a piece of legislation to do this, and to facilitate the construction of more refineries, open up the oil shale areas, I’m calling this what it is: campaign rhetoric.

LegendHasIt on June 18, 2008 at 12:05 PM

I vote Republican. All the time, every time. I guess I’m just not as conservative as everyone here. But don’t worry, I’ll show up and pull the right lever.

LtE126 on June 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Limerick on June 18, 2008 at 12:02 PM

It’s not that McCain is a liberal it is the fact that he and his followers don’t even respect the fact that they are telling conservatives and evangelicals to f**k off. I can respect a liberal if he, in turn, respects my positions. McCain and his mindless followers don’t. They are filled with vengful hate for South Carolina 2000 and they don’t even pretend that they will work with the GOP if elected.

McCain has more loyalty and has worked with far more integrity and honor with Democrats than he ever has with his supposed colleagues on the right. He is a political Judas. He doesn’t merit the support of the GOP base for his treachery. It really is that simple no matter how far to the left the country goes.

highhopes on June 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM

alycan1 on June 18, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Good job on sounding exactly like Dana Perino. I’m curious, did you see her on FoxNews and just repeat what she said on this blog because you thought it’d make you sound cool or because you didn’t have anything better to say?

Nonfactor on June 18, 2008 at 12:09 PM

It isn’t McCain they object to, it is the country itself.
Limerick on June 18, 2008 at 11:46 AM

How dare you, sir! That is beneath you. I expect that kind of vile crap from a couple of others here; not you.

LegendHasIt on June 18, 2008 at 12:13 PM

highhopes on June 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Good for you. You have your reasons and you are sticking to them. Likewise for people like me. We place different weights on the scale and obviously get different results. There is plenty of McCain-history that chaps my red fanny. But it is just not enough to turn the country over to a community organizer.

Limerick on June 18, 2008 at 12:13 PM

LegendHasIt

I explained that position here

Limerick on June 18, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Also, when prices continue to rise, people fly and drive less, which means that the tourism business will suffer much more broadly than it will at the sight of a couple of oil rigs. Perhaps someone should explain that to Bill Nelson (D-FL). As an example, Continental cut a number of routes from its service yesterday to save on fuel prices.

True. If this occurs on a large scale it will put the local economies of those destinations in serious peril and all the hope and change in the world will not fix the problem.

Buy Danish on June 18, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Same old trolls making the same old arguments. Jeez, put a cork in it. We have heard all the reasons ad nauseum why McCain is the anti Christ. This thread is about oil drilling not your infantile reasons you feel slighted. No one is listening. McCain is the nominee. Get over it.

I know you can’t, its your personal addition. Personally I hope you are getting paid for your shill posts. At least in the future move some commas around, a period here and there so that we think we are hearing something new. You have been typing the same old shit now going on a few months. It’s beyond pathetic.

Now back to oil. McCain should warn all the yahoos that off shore drilling these days is 100 miles off shore. Their precious coastlines won’t be blighted with drilling platforms.

patrick neid on June 18, 2008 at 12:19 PM

it is not about federalism! the states shouldnt be able to allow or disallow drilling 50 miles off the coast. the states have no say whatsoever over what happens on the high seas. what if a state tried to forbid navy vessels from engaging in certain activities withing 50 miles off their coast? or tried to implement different requirements for cargo vessels in that same area that are more stringent than other states? this is an area that the federal govt has to regulate.

but since john mccain is so big on federalism these days he should be introducing legislation to allow alaska to decide about drilling in ANWR. thats is a federalist issue w/o any doubt.

chasdal on June 18, 2008 at 12:21 PM

NONFACTOR– No, I didn’t see Dana Perino on Fox> For weeks now every left speaker on Fox I have seen used exactly the same words as if from a script. When you say “you cant drill your way out of it” one hundred times while offering no alternative it becomes foolish. As far as sounding cool, I could never hope to match you.

alycan1 on June 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM

about drilling in ANWR.
chasdal on June 18, 2008 at 12:21 PM

The problem is in the title. Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge. Congress grabbed the pie and isn’t about to give it back to Alaska. Once it became Federal property Alaska became a stepchild.

Limerick on June 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM

wise_man on June 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM

No, whizz man, it isn’t enough that McCain is good on one issue. And given that this rhetoric on offshore drilling could turn out to be nothing, it’s not even close. Opening up ANWR would be a major concession and change of heart by McCain; taking a hands off vague support issue on the states approving offshore drilling is just about meaningless. There are a dozen ways it could be short circuited and it would cost him very little. If the states shoot it down, or the courts, hey, too bad, I supported it but it’s out of my hands. Boo hoo. Cop out. And look at all you supporters. You act like he just created sunlight by dropping his pants and bending over. Oh, look at what he’s doing for the righties..he’s in favor of drilling..drop to your knees and bask in the sunshine of McCain acting like he gives a **ck about soaring gas prices. I think I’ll save my orgasms for something meaningful…like say when we actually start drilling, or the ANWR vote is approved.

He is a political Judas. He doesn’t merit the support of the GOP base for his treachery. It really is that simple no matter how far to the left the country goes.

highhopes on June 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM

And that is nicely said. That’s been my major objection to McCain from the beginning. You don’t reward someone who spent 8 years screwing you every chance he got. Once he’s safely in office, he’s going to be doing it even more; and the fact that he has no loyalty to the GOP, he’s not going to worry about what happens to the party once he’s out of office. We were able to exert pressure on President Bush on the Miers nomination because of his loyalty to the GOP; McCain wouldn’t have cared. That’s why he’s building a constituency with the Democrats. Believe me, if you think he’s giving you ulcers now with La Raza, just wait until he’s safe in office. Sorry, I’m not supporting that.

austinnelly on June 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Reid: Thanks so much for the link to the map and the pictures.
Reid: Thank you for the link to the pictures. They are great and will be sent on.

I don’t like mccain, just as much as the most avid on this site. I do think, however, depending on his vp that we maybe, hopefully, prayerfully, can turn him to our will with over powering lobbying.
We have no chance of turning bho in any way. He is solid liberal, socialist, (marxist? – dare I say).
And by the way, if we are talking about Christians, Evangelicals or whatever, it would make a real impression if the language was not in the gutter.

Bambi on June 18, 2008 at 12:27 PM

patrick neid on June 18, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Thou dost protest too much, methinks.

Bugler on June 18, 2008 at 12:30 PM

How is this so great?

McCain merely wants to pass the blame for not drilling from the feds to the states.

He doesn’t actually want to drill.

Though, I guess he deserves some credit for wanting to follow THIS part of the Constitution.

misterpeasea on June 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM

It’s not that McCain is a liberal it is the fact that he and his followers don’t even respect the fact that they are telling conservatives and evangelicals to f**k off.

Highhopes, we have been getting told to go to hell by the likes of you for about 14 years now.

I am not an eye for an eye type person, but how does it feel.

I am not telling you to eff off but I am not crying in my beer over your feelings of neglect.

Squid Shark on June 18, 2008 at 12:43 PM

misterpeasea on June 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM

This is sending a message to the other governors, however. All of the Gulf States have Republican Govs, the one who was most reluctant is coming around (Crist).

McCain knew what he was doing.

Squid Shark on June 18, 2008 at 12:45 PM

Ewwwww… I just had an evil thought…

Could Alaska use eminent domain to grab ANWAR? The Supremes said you can use eminent to essentialy help your tax base… and drilling would help Alaska…

I know Congress would balk, and grabbing Fed land under eminent seems weird, but I don’t think its ever been tried.

Romeo13 on June 18, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Also, folks, under law, the STATEs control waters up to THREE miles off their coasts… Feds control beyond three.

I’m not sure what kind of control McCain is talking about… what distance he wants them to control…

Very important detail to be left out…

Romeo13 on June 18, 2008 at 12:50 PM

I live in Florida, near the coast, and I beg and plead for off-shore drilling. It’s not the rising gas price, though, that drives me; I just believe in self-sufficiency. Crist now seems to be for off-shore drilling. Too long have Republicans kowtowed to Seahuggers on this issue. I’m sure off-shore drilling is much safer than a drunk oil tanker captain.

Mrs. Happy Housewife on June 18, 2008 at 12:50 PM

Bug,

You think too much about the wrong things.

patrick neid on June 18, 2008 at 12:52 PM

Mrs. Happy Housewife on June 18, 2008 at 12:50 PM

Yep,
Keep it 30 NM offshore and the beachgoers will never see them.

Keep them away from the national seashores and the Tortugas and we will be ok.

Squid Shark on June 18, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Notice how often the McCain supporters here resort to “ad hominem attacks?” This is generally taken to be an indication of a very weak position.
Bugler on June 18, 2008 at 11:41 AM

This from the same people who claim that McCain is a liberal? Or ‘not at all different from Obama,’ or whatever? LOL.

The American Conservative Union releases 2007 ratings: McCain gets a “B.”

Despite missing a number of votes while campaigning for President, McCain voted often enough to win a rating of 80, a significant improvement over the 65 he got in 2006. That approximates his lifetime rating of 82.16 and gives McCain a little more ammunition for his argument to represent conservative values.

.
Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal’s 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.

wise_man on June 18, 2008 at 12:56 PM

How is this so great? McCain merely wants to pass the blame for not drilling from the feds to the states. He doesn’t actually want to drill. Though, I guess he deserves some credit for wanting to follow THIS part of the Constitution. misterpeasea on June 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM

Wow. So now McCain is the CEO of Exxon Mobil?

Who knew?????

wise_man on June 18, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Republicans that have been floundering around in the water the last 4 years have just been given a life preserver. They should take this issue and run behind it with everything they have.

Dudley Smith on June 18, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Could Alaska use eminent domain to grab ANWAR? The Supremes said you can use eminent to essentialy help your tax base… and drilling would help Alaska

I know Congress would balk, and grabbing Fed land under eminent seems weird, but I don’t think its ever been tried.

Romeo13 on June 18, 2008 at 12:47 PM

That is an evil idea…. I like it !!

Maxx on June 18, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Nobody can spin like Ed can spin.

Nonfactor on June 18, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Where is the spin? Would you like to explain to us where Ed is “spinning,” or are you just going to stick with the safety of your hit and run tactic?

Maxx on June 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Could Alaska use eminent domain to grab ANWAR? The Supremes said you can use eminent to essentialy help your tax base… and drilling would help Alaska
I know Congress would balk, and grabbing Fed land under eminent seems weird, but I don’t think its ever been tried.
Romeo13 on June 18, 2008 at 12:47 PM

That is an evil idea…. I like it !!
Maxx on June 18, 2008 at 1:02 PM

I’d love to see them at least try. Besides, all you have to do is take over the small spaces there that you would actually have to use on the land to take the oil, not the entire space of ANWR.

wise_man on June 18, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Maxx on June 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM

McCain “shifting” on his position coupled with that picture of him and the word “Responsibility” underneath just made me laugh.

Nonfactor on June 18, 2008 at 1:12 PM

Use Eminent Domain to steal ANWAR? Um, no, let’s not. Eminent Domain is evil governmental theft. We should oppose that at all costs.

Mrs. Happy Housewife on June 18, 2008 at 1:15 PM

And, of course, I meant ANWR, not ANWAR.

Mrs. Happy Housewife on June 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Nonfactor Nonsense

jgapinoy on June 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM

I would venture to say that there are very few of the “Moonbats for McCain” crowd that really had him as their first choice. Nevertheless, they opted to drink the Kool-aid. They are compensating for thier frustration by screaming McCain Derangement Syndrome whenever anybody posts legitimate criticism of the cranky old bastard who forced his way onto the top of the ticket.
highhopes on June 18, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Not wanting Obama as the next president is not ‘drinking kool-aid.”

And in most instances, the majority of the complaints that are being responded to are not ‘legitimate criticism’ of McCain, but the same lies and half-truths that the democrats are also using. For the legitimate questions of McCain, these are all well and good, and in this example here, McCain reversed his bad position to a good one. And yest this is not good enough. He’s a ‘flip-flopper.’ You just can’t win with some people.

And third, McCain did not “force his way” to the ticket. Short-sighted republicans voted for him. McCain has the power only to persuade others to vote for him, and that is all.

wise_man on June 18, 2008 at 1:21 PM

roninacreage on June 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Federal Land and Offshore is totally different.

BLM is in charge of offshore drilling, over 3 miles off the shore actually. To let States Such as Alaska, California and Florida to be able to drill, they will have to change the mandate of where Federal is compared to State Waters.

As for Alaska, it is and has become even more of a crap shoot. Especially if Congress lets BLM hold tight to those areas. I do not see the Dems in Congress or the Senate letting go.

wise_man on June 18, 2008 at 1:11 PM

I a way we are using it. The Federal Government telling the State of Alaska they can’t drill because of Polar bears is non-sense, especially since we have been doing it for YEARS and the number haven’t been decreasing for the Polar Bears, the Arctic grizzly (which not many people realize exists) or the Caribou and have actually shows increasing even with hunting, proves someone is using false or corrupt data.

Mark my words, something is going on. Crist and Palin are both for drilling federal waters. Who do you think will be the VP… I am betting on Sarah and i can tell you why if you would like to know.

upinak on June 18, 2008 at 1:27 PM

wise_man on June 18, 2008 at 12:57 PM

That approximates his lifetime rating of 82.16 and gives McCain a little more ammunition for his argument to represent conservative values.

Posting the same crap over and over. That lifetime 82 rating is good for 39th in the Senate. Which means he’s more liberal than 80% of the Republican Senators. So, yes, he’s more conservative than Olympia Snowe. But not more conservative than Chuck Hagel!

Wow. So now McCain is the CEO of Exxon Mobil?

Who knew?????

wise_man on June 18, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Great sense of humor you got there. Rivals McCain’s. If you don’t think the gummint has to agree with drilling, you haven’t been paying attention. Of course, John McCain was for drilling. Before he was against it. Before he was for it.

Seriously, how many points have you gotten? Did you get today’s talking points? Time for solutions! Bipartisanship!

misterpeasea on June 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Seriously, how many points have you gotten? Did you get today’s talking points? Time for solutions! Bipartisanship!
misterpeasea on June 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM

A pox on you and your house you lying crapweasel. Seriously. Good luck with your precious president Obama. (if you get your way)

Oh, and you never answered the question before, are you a ‘conservative’ who hates McCain so much that you aren’t going to vote for him, and hope everyone else doesn’t due to your persuasion by constant trash talking, lies and half-truths about him, allowing Obama to win because more people will end up voting for him ..

or

.. are you a liberal posing as a conservative on a conservative site who wants the same thing, less people to vote for McCain because all of your trash talk, lies and half-truths about McCain here on an hourly bases, while you and much more people vote for Obama?

which one is it?

wise_man on June 18, 2008 at 1:43 PM

which one is it?

wise_man on June 18, 2008 at 1:43 PM

wise does it matter?

If they want “change” let them have it and when everything goes into the crapper… all you have to do is look them in the eyes and tell them “I Told You So!” Work everytime.

upinak on June 18, 2008 at 1:49 PM

let them have it and when everything goes into the crapper

Then the country goes into the crapper as well.
I’m furious that the gop gave us this candidate. They all called Romney a flip flopper and the Evangelicals and huckster made sure he got out. Now I see they are trying to call mccain a flip flopper. If they see the light on the correct side, don’t we call that learning?

Again: Neid sorry I got your name wrong. Probably didn’t have my glasses on.

Bambi on June 18, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Nothing in this effort says that states have to drill off-shore.

I’d assume, and hope, that “states” would not be driling in any case. I agree with those who’ve noticed that McCain seems to favor federalism only when it impedes the Republican agenda. Does anyone think that California will permit drilling off its coast?

flenser on June 18, 2008 at 3:34 PM

What is so upsetting to the McNos isn’t McCain himself, it is the fact that half the country is left of center.

Limerick on June 18, 2008

So, when the Congressional republican leadership states that McCain’s candidacy and support means they should all shift left as well, I should be cheering?

Oops, I forgot. I can’t complain or criticize, or I’m hating my country, being a troll, and hoping the terrorists win. And it’s showing my hatred for over half the people in this country.

Only by pushing the Republican party (by the Republican leadership’s admission) over farther into the liberal side can I be a good Conservative, right? We should support SCHIP and the Farm Bill, and the homeowner bailout (again, as the Republican leadership said) because Government being micro-mangerial involved in the economy is a good conservative position. Well, it never has been before, but if you don’t support it now you’re a liberal mock-conservative who will be castigated for not liking this liberal position.

I’d worry about the deliberate pushing of the party to the left, abandoning conservative values, and taking liberal positions on many issues; but doing so would be “being a bad conservative”.

A good conservative would freely support and embrace any liberal ideal that got a “republican” elected I guess; regardless of what liberal policies result. Liberal policies aren’t the problem, its when the other party does them. When Republicans engage in the same behavior they should be praised for doing so… right?

Oh well, I’d worry about McCain gaining support here; but with wise_man showing up I don’t have to worry too much…

are you a liberal posing as a conservative on a conservative site who wants … less people to vote for McCain because all of your trash talk, lies and half-truths…?

Odd that you’d ask the question I was wondering… are you going to answer it too? Oh, you were asking it of someone else?

Well, keep driving support away from McCain, be as offensive as possible, and I’m sure nobody will notice that you’re obviously serving an ulterior motive.

gekkobear on June 18, 2008 at 3:35 PM

McCain has the power only to persuade others to vote for him, and that is all.

wise_man

Then it’s time he started using that power on conservatives, because so far he’s not even pretending to care if we vote for him.

flenser on June 18, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Bipartisanship!

misterpeasea on June 18, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Can I ask why you are for this?

upinak on June 18, 2008 at 3:40 PM

What is so upsetting to the McNos isn’t McCain himself, it is the fact that half the country is left of center.

It does not bother me that half the country is left of center. It does bother me that half of the GOP seems to be left of center, and that the people the GOP seems to want as their supporters are the left wing half of the country. That bothers me a lot.

flenser on June 18, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Comment pages: 1 2


You must be logged in to post a comment.