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WaPo: Why aren’t Democrats embracing an Iraqi alliance?

posted at 1:00 pm on June 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The editorial board of the Washington Post asks why Democrats appear to be rejecting the idea of an alliance with a friendly Shi’ite government in Iraq. While Barack Obama talks about unconditional talks with a hostile Iran, the Democrats have exhibited no enthusiasm for a partnership with a freely-elected Maliki government that has increasingly stood up to Tehran. Maliki, while assuring the Iranians that Iraq would not get used as a launching pad for an American attack on Iran, told them in no uncertain terms that the strategic Iraq-US alliance would continue for a long, long time, providing the kind of pushback against Iranian hegemony that both Democrats and Republicans say they want:

In effect, the Iraqi prime minister was saying that his country does not want to become an Iranian satellite but an independent Arab state that would look to the United States to ensure its security.

This would seem to be an obvious U.S. gain in what, according to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) as well as President Bush, is the urgent task of countering Iran’s attempt to dominate the Middle East. It means that Iraq, a country with the world’s second largest oil reserves and a strategic linchpin of the Middle East, just might emerge from the last five years of war and turmoil as an American ally, even if its relations with Iran remain warm.

So it’s hard to fathom why Democrats in Congress have joined Ayatollah Khamenei in denouncing the U.S.-Iraqi agreements even before they are written. Critics such as Sen. James Webb (D-Va.) are professing to be outraged that the Bush administration might be forging a relationship with Iraq “that parallels the Korea-Japan history,” as Mr. Webb put it. They claim to be shocked by the suggestions of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) that U.S. forces might remain in Iraq for decades without controversy if they did not suffer casualties, as has happened in Japan and South Korea. Yet the U.S. alliances with Japan and South Korea have been among the most successful in this nation’s history. While building a similar bond with Iraq may prove impossible, it’s hard to understand why Democrats would oppose it in principle.

In fact, much of the controversy over the negotiations is based on misinformation, some of it spread by Iran’s proxies in Iraq. There are claims that the Bush administration is seeking to establish scores of permanent U.S. bases. In fact, Iraq has merely asked that the agreement list the bases from which American forces would be permitted to operate. It is claimed that the deals would perpetuate the U.S. “occupation.” In fact, they would be a major step in the opposite direction, by placing American troops under the sovereignty of the Iraqi government rather than the United Nations.

If the US wants countervailing forces to Iranian ambitions, we can hardly do much better than a strong Iraq. The Shi’ite Maliki has built stronger ties with the Kurds and the Sunnis while marginalizing the Sadrist radicals over the past year. Their army has improved tremendously in the same period and looks as though they may become the most professional force in the region. Compared to the weakness of Afghanistan’s forces and the limited reliability of the Saudi military, the Iraqis look like the best bet.

So why haven’t the Democrats shown more enthusiasm? They would have to admit that they were wrong about the surge, wrong about Maliki, and wrong to declare defeat fourteen months ago. Democrats from Barack Obama down have insisted that the US should abandon Iraq as a failed mission rather than adjust to better strategies. Had the Bush administration listened to them, Iran would already be in charge of Iraq through Moqtada al-Sadr.

In fact, that’s exactly what can still happen, unless the US makes an effort to reach a quick accommodation on a security agreement with Maliki. As the Post notes, it would help if the media and the Democrats quit misrepresenting the negotiations under way now. The US is not asking for permanent bases in Iraq, but access to Iraq’s bases for American personnel. The security arrangments the US requested resemble those we have used with other nations, but we will have to adjust for Iraqi sensibilities on sovereignty, but that’s why we negotiate rather than dictate.

If we want to be serious about containment for Iran rather than fighting a war with them, the Iraqi alliance is an absolute necessity. For Democrats, who have disseminated conspiracy-theory accusations about the Bush administration’s propensity for war with the mullahcracy, they should have already realized this. The fact that they haven’t shows them to be embarrassingly unprepared for either containment or war.


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Hard to give up a bad investment

Kini on June 16, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Liberals have so heavily invested emotionally in Iraq war, to reverse it and admit something positive may have come out of it would be unthinkable.

Their favorite phrase to counter would be ‘the end justify the means’

Sir Napsalot on June 16, 2008 at 1:05 PM

The Obama Administration will be more like Jimmy Carter’s second term than we ever imagined, if President Obama let’s Iraq fall under Iran’s sphere of influence, rather than simply admit that Iraq was a success and deserves to be maintained as a free nation.

RBMN on June 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM

To do so would mean the Dmeocrats would have to admit that Iraq is not a quagmire.

michaelo on June 16, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Democrats would rather be aborted than see Bush and America succeed.

GT on June 16, 2008 at 1:09 PM

“If you’re losing big at the blackjack table, the only smart thing to do is keep on playing.”

-Peggy Hill

Rhinoboy on June 16, 2008 at 1:09 PM

“Why aren’t Democrats embracing an Iraqi alliance?”

They ain’t called ‘defeat-o-crats’ fer nothing….

locomotivebreath1901 on June 16, 2008 at 1:12 PM

The editorial board of the Washington Post asks why Democrats appear to be rejecting the idea of an alliance with a friendly Shi’ite government in Iraq.

Here & there writing an honest editorial while propagandizing liberal democrat views by the so-called-fourth estate is the reason party interest reigns in place of National interest.

GT on June 16, 2008 at 1:09 PM is right on the money.

Anita on June 16, 2008 at 1:15 PM

Congressional Democrats would rather align themselves with Ayatollah Khamenei than with Bush.

As many have said before, they’re not anti-war. They’re on the other side.

Gilda on June 16, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Why aren’t Democrats embracing an Iraqi alliance?

Probably for similar reasons as to why most guys don’t want to marry Rosie O’Donnell, drink Billy beer or convert to Islam.

MB4 on June 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM

If we want to be serious about containment for Iran rather than fighting a war with them, the Iraqi alliance is an absolute necessity.

Is containment what we really want? It was not the prettiest of pictures in Iraq. I’m not saying bomb immediately, hopefully we never have to, but containment isn’t sunshine and lollipops. Can we squeeze the Iranian regime from within? Perhaps exploiting, surreptitously, their need to import refined gas? Will containment prevent them culminating their nuclear program? I don’t think there’s easy answers here, I just hate to see us head straight for containment just because it may be easiest politically.

trubble on June 16, 2008 at 1:18 PM

a freely-elected Maliki government that has increasingly stood up to Tehran

Sounds to me from recent news that Maliki is more in sync with Iran than with the U.S., like on the “Status of Forces” agreement for example. And didn’t Maliki just pay another state visit to little dinner jacket? I really doubt that he punched him in the nose.

MB4 on June 16, 2008 at 1:21 PM

That is a brilliant analysis, Ed.
Democrats – unfit to lead and unfit to follow.

gatewaypundit on June 16, 2008 at 1:26 PM

The party of JFK is unhooked. This must be what the final days of Hitler looked like. A ruling party engulfed by paranoia, issuing increasingly bizarre and suicidal commands: obsession with global warming, sabatoging our own troops in Iraq, conceding to unconditional talks with terrorists. It’s like watching the progression of dementia, not in an individual, but in an entire political party.

jeff_from_mpls on June 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Probably for similar reasons as to why most guys don’t want to marry Rosie O’Donnell, drink Billy beer or convert to Islam.

MB4 on June 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM

I usually am able to understand the thinking behind what people post on this site. This comment has me utterly confused. It’s not that I disagree with it, or am offended by it, I just don’t have any idea what it is supposed to mean.

Buford Gooch on June 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Would Obama ever agree to Presidential talks with Maliki without pre-conditions? Well, since Bush did it, never!

Steve Z on June 16, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Maliki, while assuring the Iranians that Iraq would not get used as a launching pad for an American attack on Iran, told them in no uncertain terms that the strategic Iraq-US alliance would continue for a long, long time

That is not what the Maliki government was blathering about a few days ago.

Iraq is contemplating pulling out of security talks with the United States and developing their own legislation that would dictate the shape of the American military presence in the country, an Iraqi official said Thursday.

The Iraqi government is considering this new tack out of frustration over the lack of success in negotiations with the United States over a long-term security agreement.

But, he said, “we can go now to the parliament,” instead of reaching a bilateral agreement. He said there is precedent for Iraqi authority over foreign troops from a Coalition Provisional Authority.
- CNN June 13, 2008

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BAGHDAD, June 13 — The Bush administration’s Iraq policy suffered two major setbacks Friday when Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki publicly rejected key U.S. terms for an ongoing military presence and anti-American Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr called for a new militia offensive against U.S. forces.

During a visit to Jordan, Maliki said negotiations over initial U.S. proposals for bilateral political and military agreements had “reached a dead end.” While he said talks would continue, his comments fueled doubts that the pacts could be reached this year, before the Dec. 31 expiration of a United Nations mandate sanctioning the U.S. role in Iraq.

The moves by two of Iraq’s most powerful Shiite leaders underscore how the presence of U.S. troops has become a central issue for Iraqi politicians as they position themselves for provincial elections later this year. Iraqis across the political spectrum have grown intolerant of the U.S. presence, but the dominant Shiite parties — including Maliki’s Dawa party — are especially fearful of an electoral challenge from new, grass-roots groups.

“All the politicians are trying to prove that they care more about Iraqis than they do about Americans — otherwise they know the people and the voters will not support them,” said Ala Maaki, a senior lawmaker with Iraqi’s largest Sunni political party. “I think we could see al-Maliki and Moqtada Sadr trying to one-up the other today and see who can take the strongest stand against the Americans.”
- Washington Post Foreign Service – Saturday, June 14, 2008

MB4 on June 16, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Opposition to all things Iraq has ossified into ritual among the Left. There’s no thought or strategy at all behind Obama’s intention to abandon Iraq at the earliest possible moment, regardless of consequences to them or us.

I guess that’s what passes for “judgment” on the part of the Candidate of Hope.

Cicero43 on June 16, 2008 at 1:34 PM

It’s been about 300 years since Iran invaded another country.

Spending $200,000,000,000 a year of American taxpayer money “containing” Iran seems like a rather dubious investment…

alphie on June 16, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Pity the poor pathetic democrats: destined to walk through life with egg on their faces and shit on their shoes.

whitetop on June 16, 2008 at 1:40 PM

alphie on June 16, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Do you really think we would need to spend $200 billion per year once things get more settled in Iraq? And do you really think that a country whose leader keeps saying that the end of Israel is near, and whose country is developing nuclear missiles is unlikely to attack another country?

Buford Gooch on June 16, 2008 at 1:41 PM

The Democrats would not only have to admit the success of the war, they would have to admit the basic logic of the effort all along: to establish pro-U.S. governments on either side of Iran, precisely so that a shooting war with Iran could be avoided. The removal of Saddam Hussein also removed one of Iran’s chief propaganda weapons that it used to justify its own miitarism and nuclear development — namely the threat of another invasion by crazy Saddam.

Another “inconvenient truth” to the Democrats.

rockmom on June 16, 2008 at 1:42 PM

Sadly, the democrats have replaced national security with a pathetic political agenda. They’ve apparently taken their eye off the of the main target of global terrorism, and have aimlessly evolved into a party of treason, and surrender.

byteshredder on June 16, 2008 at 1:44 PM

It’s because the international left finds itself more comfortably aligned with a Russo-Iranian axis than an Iraqi-American axis.

vinman on June 16, 2008 at 1:44 PM

I usually am able to understand the thinking behind what people post on this site. This comment has me utterly confused. It’s not that I disagree with it, or am offended by it, I just don’t have any idea what it is supposed to mean.

Buford Gooch on June 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Look for the simplest explanation and don’t try to make it too complicated.

MB4 on June 16, 2008 at 1:45 PM

This must be what the final days of Hitler looked like.

jeff_from_mpls on June 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Drama Queen.

MB4 on June 16, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Based on recent data, Buford, America (or Israel) is far more likely to invade another country than Iran is. We need to figure out how to “contain” them.

As for the U.S. military giving up their $200 billion/year Iraq pork, I’ll believe it when I see it…

alphie on June 16, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Opposition to all things Iraq has ossified into ritual among the Left. There’s no thought or strategy at all behind Obama’s intention to abandon Iraq at the earliest possible moment, regardless of consequences to them or us.

I guess that’s what passes for “judgment” on the part of the Candidate of Hope.

Cicero43 on June 16, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Just for grins, let’s do the same show, just under a different tent.

Support of all things Iraq has ossified into ritual among the Neocons. There’s no thought or strategy at all behind McCain’s intention to stay in Iraq until it becomes like Germany and Japan, regardless of consequences to us.

I guess that’s what passes for “judgment” on the part of the Candidate of Straight talk.

MB4 on June 16, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Liberals have so heavily invested emotionally in Iraq war, to reverse it and admit something positive may have come out of it would be unthinkable. Sir Napsalot

Sir, you broke the code. It would be unthinkable for the dems to admit that anything positive happened under Bush – BDS at its finest.

It’s a damn shame that political positions are considered more important than the good of the country. Iraq can be a success story in the ME – if we let it.

Garnet92 on June 16, 2008 at 1:55 PM

As for the U.S. military giving up their $200 billion/year Iraq pork, I’ll believe it when I see it…

alphie on June 16, 2008 at 1:48 PM

The pork, and there is a lot, is not really the U.S. military’s and I think that most in the Pentagon would very much like to get out of Iraq.

MB4 on June 16, 2008 at 1:57 PM

The comments below that article are BDS gold. Gold, I say!!

JimRich on June 16, 2008 at 2:06 PM

So why haven’t the Democrats shown more enthusiasm? They would have to admit that they were wrong about the surge, wrong about Maliki, and wrong to declare defeat fourteen months ago.

Being a Democrat never means having to admit you were wrong. Remember Dick Durbin’s “apology” if anybody was offended that he thinks the troops are genocidal killers. Patty Murray’s “apology” if anybody was offended that she said the Taliban were more humane than the US? John Kerry’s “apology” for calling the troops stupid?

This is not a party willing to admit that five years of rabid partisanship was a hinderance to the success on the ground we are seeing. That the Democrat party politicians down to a man/woman/whatever actually worked against that success. It’d take an awful lot of tabasco sauce to get down all that crow.

highhopes on June 16, 2008 at 2:08 PM

The Democrats: Embarrassingly unprepared for either containment or war.
A fitting campaign slogan, I’d say.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on June 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM

Spending $200,000,000,000 a year of American taxpayer money “containing” Iran seems like a rather dubious investment…

alphie on June 16, 2008 at 1:37 PM

How so? How much did we spend in West Germany and South Korea for containment? Are the financial costs really so steep that you’d rather pay in American servicemembers lives down the line instead of paying up front? You really can’t just throw out comments like above and walk away. How exactly would you deal with Iran?

highhopes on June 16, 2008 at 2:11 PM

This is strictly pre election posturing. If Obama gets elected and proposes basically the exact same thing but with his name on it instead of Bush’s the same current denouncers will be in the well of the houses telling how this is not only different but why it is the avenue to success.

Who can forget these same cut and runners thumping their chests shouting what they were going to do about Saddam until, shock of shocks, Bush got elected instead of Gore. These were the same people who readily stroked Bill in regards to Bosnia all the while ignoring the UN. They didn’t even waste any time trying to build a consensus. Bombs away, troops home by xmas. Ten years later there we are. The anti war useful idiots will goose step right along with whatever the new policy is. If not a few anti globalism bones will be tossed their way.

Puffery is the coin of the Dem realm.

patrick neid on June 16, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Probably for similar reasons as to why most guys don’t want to marry Rosie O’Donnell, drink Billy beer or convert to Islam.

MB4 on June 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM

Aaagh! You mean, there are some guys who would like to marry RORO?

dmh0667 on June 16, 2008 at 2:12 PM

alphie on June 16, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Was going to point out that the present government of Iran only started in 79…

But that would be feeding the troll…

Romeo13 on June 16, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Alphie— What do you mean by “invaded”? I figure some Lebanese or Iraqis would beg to differ.

vinman on June 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM

It’s been about 300 years since Iran invaded another country.

alphie on June 16, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Based on recent data, Buford, America (or Israel) is far more likely to invade another country than Iran is. We need to figure out how to “contain” them.

alphie on June 16, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Yes we do.

Also “based on recent data”, Alphie, is Iran’s reputation for being the largest sponsor of global terrorism.

Not much sense in mobilizing and “invading” a country when you believe you can achieve the same results through the funding and training of terrorists.

Rod on June 16, 2008 at 2:45 PM

You answered your own question, Ed

excellent post……

Janos Hunyadi on June 16, 2008 at 2:47 PM

America is worried about Sunni terrorist, Rod.

Iran is a Shiite country.

Nice try.

Our “ally” Saudi Arabia funds the bad guys America is worried about.

Wonder why we don’t try to “contain” them?

alphie on June 16, 2008 at 2:53 PM

Drama Queen.
MB4 on June 16, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Sorry mate. My over the top metaphors and analogies are always in good fun. Never meant seriously. In any event, I prefer Dairy Queen to Drama Queen any day.

jeff_from_mpls on June 16, 2008 at 2:59 PM

The fact that they haven’t shows them to be embarrassingly unprepared for either containment or war.

As I see it, “unprepared” is the most generous view. Another view is that Dems are playing to nutroots, and nutroots want Bush (and America) to be cut down a few notches through defeat in the Middle East.

petefrt on June 16, 2008 at 3:01 PM

If the Democrats were to even just “praise” the Iraqis, they, in essence, would be admitting that the US (meaning Bush) is succeeding there.

Wildcatter1980 on June 16, 2008 at 3:10 PM

America is worried about Sunni terrorist, Rod.

Iran is a Shiite country.

Nice try.

Our “ally” Saudi Arabia funds the bad guys America is worried about.

Wonder why we don’t try to “contain” them?

And we are especially worried about Sunnis funded, trained, and dispatched by Iranian planners.

Was the bombing of Khobar Towers less than 300 years ago?

vinman on June 16, 2008 at 3:22 PM

trubble on June 16, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Can we squeeze the Iranian regime from within?

Hundreds of thousands of Iranians visit the Iraqi cities of Karbala and Najaf each year. Sending them back with images of a free, truly democratic, and prosperous Islamic state would go a long way toward squeezing them from within.

Kafir on June 16, 2008 at 3:33 PM

The left never re-examines their conclusions when challenged. They can’t admit they were wrong. They become obsessive about proving themselves right, or placing the blame on someone else.

When their conclusions are challenged, they escalate. That’s why you get the insults. Or they try to make you feel guilty about disrespecting their opinions.

rockhauler on June 16, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Because it would force them to admit that the U.S. has been successful in Iraq.

Grafted on June 16, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Maybe it would be better to have “4 more years of Bush” than 4 more years of Carter.

joeswampy on June 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM

When their conclusions are challenged, they escalate. That’s why you get the insults. Or they try to make you feel guilty about disrespecting their opinions.
rockhauler on June 16, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Or they equate the U.S. with terrorist nations, or Bush with Hitler, or our soldiers with SS prison guards, or..or..or..

Bishop on June 16, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Ed sure is putting out some good stuff, now that he’s had Vayapaso’s cooking for a week.

Hi Mom!

Do the Dem’s STAND for anything?

originalpechanga on June 16, 2008 at 5:24 PM

America is worried about Sunni terrorist, Rod.

Iran is a Shiite country.

Nice try.

Our “ally” Saudi Arabia funds the bad guys America is worried about.

Wonder why we don’t try to “contain” them?

alphie on June 16, 2008 at 2:53 PM

Wrong. America is worried about terrorists. Period.

In case you forgot, Shiite terrorist have been responsible for bombing American embassies back in 1983. Just so you don’t get confused, that was 20 years before Bush 43 decided to remove Saddam. New York Times

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GT on June 16, 2008 at 5:42 PM

A little more education for our friend Alphie who thinks he’s as smart as Obama….

The Islamic Republic has financed and armed the Afghan Sunni Hizb Islami (Islamic Party) since the 1990s. It’s also financed the Front for Islamic Salvation (FIS), a Sunni political-terrorist outfit in Algeria between 1992 and 2005.

In 1993, a senior Iranian delegation, led by the then Islamic Parliament Speaker Ayatollah Mehdi Karrubi, attended the Arab-Muslim Popular Congress organized by Hassan al-Turabi, nicknamed ‘The Pope of Islamist Terror,’ in Khartoum. At the end of this anti-American jamboree a nine-man ‘Coordinating Committee’ was announced. Karrubi was a member, along with such Sunni eminences as Osama Bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Mr. Turabi and the Algerian Abdallah Jaballah. The fact that Karrubi was a Shiite mullah did not prevent him from sitting alongside Sunni sheikhs.

In 1996, a suicide attack claimed the lives of 19 American servicemen in Al Khobar, eastern Saudi Arabia. The operation was carried out by the Hezbollah in Hejaz, an Iranian-financed outfit, with the help of the Sunni militant group ‘Sword of the Peninsula.’

In 2000, Sunni groups linked to al Qaeda killed 17 U.S. servicemen in a suicide attack on USS Cole off the coast of Yemen. This time, a Shiite militant group led by Sheikh al-Houti, Tehran’s man in Yemen, played second fiddle in the operation.

In Central Asia’s Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, Tehran has for years supported two Sunni movements, the Rastakhiz Islami (Islamic Awakening) and Hizb Tahrir Islami (Islamic Liberation Party). In Azerbaijan, a former Soviet republic, Tehran supports the Sunni Taleshi groups against the Azeri Shiite majority. The reason? The Taleshi Sunnis are pro-Russian and anti-American, while the Shiite Azeris are pro-American and anti-Russian.

There are no Palestinian Shiites, yet Tehran has become the principal source of funding for radical Palestinian Sunni groups, notably Hamas, Islamic Jihad and half a dozen leftist-atheist minigroups. Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh refuses to pray alongside his Iranian hosts during his visits to Tehran. But when it comes to joining Khomeinist crowds in shouting ‘Death to America’ he is in the forefront.

With Arab oil kingdoms no longer as generous as before, Iran has emerged as the chief source of funding for Hamas. The new Iranian budget, coming into effect on March 21, allocates over $2 billion to the promotion of ‘revolutionary causes.’ Much of the money will go to Hamas and the Lebanese branch of Hezbollah.

In Pakistan, the Iran-financed Shiite Tehrik Jaafari joined a coalition of Sunni parties to govern the Northwest Frontier Province, until they all suffered a crushing defeat at last month’s parliamentary elections.

The fact that the Sunnis and Shiites in other provinces of Pakistan continued to kill each other did not prevent them from developing a joint, anti-U.S. strategy that included the revival of the Afghan Taliban and protection for the remnants of al Qaeda. Almost all self-styled ‘holy warriors’ who go to Iraq on a mission of murder and mayhem are Sunnis. And, yet most pass through Syria, a country that, as already noted, is dominated by a sect with a militant anti-Sunni religious doctrine.

Next month, Tehran will host what is billed as ‘The Islamic Convergence Conference,’ bringing together hundreds of Shiite and Sunni militants from all over the world. The man in charge, Ayatollah Ali-Muhammad Taskhiri, has described the goal of the gathering to be delivering ‘a punch in the face of the American Great Satan.’

Still, Mr. Obama might ask: what about al Qaeda and Iran?

The 9/11 Commission report states that Tehran was in contact with al Qaeda at various levels before the 2001 attacks. Tehran has admitted the presence of al Qaeda figures in Iran on a number of occasions, and has arranged for the repatriation of at least 13 Saudi members in the past five years. The Bin Laden family tells us that at least one of Osama’s sons, Sa’ad, has lived in Iran since 2002.

Reports from Iran claim that scores of Taliban leaders and several al Qaeda figures spend part of the year in a compound-style housing estate near the village of Dost Muhammad on the Iranian frontier with Afghanistan. One way to verify these claims is to allow the world media access to the area. But Tehran has declared large segments of eastern Iran a ‘no-go’ area, even for its own state-owned media.

In short, the claim that al Qaeda and the Khomeinists, not to mention other terrorist groups operating in the name of Islam, would not work together simply because they have theological differences is both naive and dangerous.

Link

GT on June 16, 2008 at 5:48 PM

Nice try.

alphie on June 16, 2008 at 2:53 PM

Nice try?

Did you read the article? If not, read it. If you did, or when you do, then refute the article. Point by point. Show me why you’re more informed than the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Security and Terrorism; provide evidence that proves that the Iranian “Top-Secret” documents contained in the report were forged; show us why a 20-year-old report on the threat Iran posed is no longer relevant today, that Iran is a “friendly” nation with nothing but good intentions rather than being much more dangerous today as the article shows.

In any case, should you decide to respond, I’ve provided backup for my opinion. Do the same. Respond to the article.

Here, again, is a link to the article: Iran’s global terror network.

Rod on June 16, 2008 at 5:49 PM

No offense, Rod, but…”William F. Jasper” would appear to be a loon.

John Birch Society?

Yikes!

alphie on June 16, 2008 at 6:12 PM

So it’s hard to fathom why Democrats in Congress have joined Ayatollah Khamenei in denouncing the U.S.-Iraqi agreements even before they are written.

No it’s not. It’s actually quite simple to explain: It might credit the efforts of the Bush administration in Iraq.

Donkeys are just like the Klingon ship captain in “Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.” When he and Kirk are fighting it out on the Genesis Planet, which is about to explode, Kirk says something like, “We’ve got to get out of here!”

To which the Klingon replies forcefully, “No!”

“Why not?” Kirk asks.

“Because you wish it!”

Donkey thinking is really easy to follow: “If George Bush is for it, then I’m against it; if George Bush said it, it must be a lie; if something might make it look like George Bush can do any right whatsoever, then I’m on the other side.”

Spurius Ligustinus on June 16, 2008 at 6:15 PM

No offense, Rod, but…”William F. Jasper” would appear to be a loon.

John Birch Society?

Yikes!

alphie on June 16, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Yes. I Googled him after I posted and thought, “Oh man, what have I gotten myself into now?” I actually thought they were defunct in that you hardly hear about them anymore.

But aside from that, he offers some compelling evidence to support the threat of Iranian sponsored global terrorism. So the argument is not his affiliation with the Birch society but with what he offers in this specific article. Pointing out that the messenger is a nut case doesn’t always devalue the message. It certainly does not help your position.

In addition, the post just prior to mine by GT does the same: provide compelling evidence of the Iranian threat.

If you truly believe that Iran is not a threat then tell us why. Provide some evidence. Point us in the direction of the documents, not opinion, that proves otherwise.

Ahmadinejad says he’s a treat. If you think he’s joking, if you expect one day soon he’ll hold a press conference where he’ll laugh and say, “Boy, did I have you all going or what? Did you really believe I wanted Israel wiped off the map? You crazy loons! I love Jews! And where would I get a Big Mac if I blew up the Great Satan? Have you tasted an Iranian goatburger? Yuck!” – then point us to his joke writers.

Rod on June 16, 2008 at 7:10 PM

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