. . . you have no science to back you up…all you can do is spout darwiniac talking points…you don’t even know how foolish you are.

right4life on June 18, 2008 at 10:38 AM

And you, apparently, are capable of no more than ad hominem insults.

hats amusing is that you darwniacs cannot answer any of the challenges posed to your query. I have asked the following question many times in this thread, and none of you have the guts or knowledge to answer it:

1) why is the tuatara unchanged after 200M years, since it has the fastest DNA ‘evolution’ of any animal?

right4life on June 18, 2008 at 10:43 AM

From Wikipedia,

. . . Although tuatara are sometimes called “living fossils”, recent taxonomic and molecular work has shown that they have changed significantly since the Mesozoic era. . .

Changes in the genome do not necessarily result in morphological changes unless there is selective pressure favoring them. That the tuatara have accumulated a lot of mitochondrial changes over time is interesting, but not terribly dispositive of any issue in evolutionary theory. Obviously the relation between morphological and DNA changes is important, but the recent discovery of ‘rapid’ DNA change in tuatara is just one brick in the edifice of ongoing research.

Remember, too, that changes in animal physiology are not at all apparent to the paleontologist. The tuatara is peculiarly (among lizard-like critters) adopted to cold climates (and nocturnal life), suggesting a good deal of internal evolution has taken place over the eons, even while its skeletal and outward form remained much the same. The thing survived ice ages!

1) why is the tuatara unchanged after 200M years, since it has the fastest DNA ‘evolution’ of any animal?

and that is just one of many. you darwiniacs think you’re ‘educated’ because you throw some talking points around, but you are clueless when it comes to debating the science.

and whats even funnier is you think you’re SO smart…you’re just a legend in your own mind.

There are lots of transitional forms. In a sense, all life is transitional.

a statement of faith. you have nothing to back it up.

Geologically a PE radiation can take tens, hundreds of thousands of years.

another statement of faith. you should tell the author of this study that he’s wrong…

Evolution Occurs in the Blink of an Eye
A population of butterflies has evolved in a flash on a South Pacific island to fend off a deadly parasite.

link

so according to you it takes a long time, but it can happen quickly according to this article…evolution is all in all to the faithful.

What is it with these religionists who are so insecure in their faith that they are threatened by the facts of biological evolution?

whats with you atheists that are SO THREATENED by any challenge to your beloved hairygod Darwin?? hmmmm??

The Church thought the Earth was the center of universe

prove its not.

Is this mindset at all superior to that of the Islamists

you rabid darwiniacs are just like them…cannot stand to hear any competing information, and try to silence al who disagree.

you have no science to back you up…all you can do is spout darwiniac talking points…you don’t even know how foolish you are.

Huurrraayyyy!!! Happpy 1000 comments! :)

How many were really Happpy? More like 1000 divisive comments.

Called it.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 18, 2008 at 9:52 AM

And on the second post, at that! My compliments to you, sir.

I hope that you repented and accepted Jesus Christ before your untimely death, Tim.

Eternity is forever…and all those who do not accept Jesus Christ will spend it in Hell.

SaintOlaf on June 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Yes indeed, one of my Watson’s has uncovered the scoundrels misdeed. It is rather amazing how what one thinks that the Loard Jesus is like so reflects what they themselves are like. But then I guess that is elementary.

I’m not a feminist, just a strong lady, who likes to fight hard, but fair.

I still can’t believe how late you’re up in Ireland. You’re 8 hours ahead of me, in California. It’s 22:17 here and I beg you a good day already. Must go to sleep as work calls tomorrow morning, early. Until the next round,

I’m not going to freak out and accuse you of smearing me…I’m far more patient than you would imagine….please tell me when I said Russert’s boiling in Hell?

In fairness I don’t know that you said that. Someone told me that you said that without directly quoting you so its quite possible that they were exaggerating. I didn’t mean to smear you. I take it back if thats the case.

I have to go to bed soon but I wouldn’t be surprised if the new Jindal thread is still going strong when I get home from work tommorrow. We can talk again if you like. I agree with you on most things but you alienate everyone on HA (Christians and atheists) because your tone is wrathful.

Entelechy on June 18, 2008 at 12:42 AM

Thats very nice of you to say so. You are a good person to debate.

I don’t know what the female equivalent of buddy is but I’m sure its sexist somehow.

It’s just another example of you not understanding what I’m saying.

SaintOlaf on June 18, 2008 at 12:57 AM

It’s not what you say that people don’t understand that is so troubling, it’s what you say that people do understand that is so troubling.

How do you know that Tim Russert is boiling in hell?

I’m not going to freak out and accuse you of smearing me…I’m far more patient than you would imagine….please tell me when I said Russert’s boiling in Hell?

You won’t find it. Save yourself some time. It’s just another example of you not understanding what I’m saying.

I’m not trying to compare the loss of religion in classrooms to the disgraceful performance of schools, I’m just saying a little back and forth and questioning never hurt anyone. The reason our students get there butts kicked is because other country’s students inquire about things, and there are things that make them WANT to pursue math and science. We just tell our students to sit there and take it.

There are many scholars that question evolution (see the Discovery Institute petition, over 700 names). I mean I know they come from backwood hick universities like Emory, Princeton, Yale and the National Academy of Sciences, but its not universal like others would have us believe.

I’m sorry for your loss.

aengus on June 18, 2008 at 12:21 AM

Thank you aengus.

I dispute the 10%, but if true, you are allowed to deviate by that much :) You’re still a fine debater and person, and I’m very thankful that you are here.

Blacklake on June 18, 2008 at 12:32 AM

I don’t think Creationists should pretend that what they believe is science. Just call it what it is, faith. That’s what I do.

The reason I brought it up was because while the “equivalent moral footing” might seem like a footnote to a scientist it is the most striking and important factor to the rest of us and the casual comparison between Creationists and Truthers is offensive and objectionable.

Sir Aengus you should take your battle with SaintOlaf so similar to mine with my equally dastardly foe Moriarty over to the new thread on *Louisiana science coalition begs Jindal: Veto the creationism bill* as the game is now afoot over there.

Holmes on June 18, 2008 at 12:09 AM

Hahaha.

Quick quiz question:

Among the followers three groups:

(a) Creationists
(b) Truthers
(c) Holocaust Deniers

Which is the odd one out and why?…

aengus on June 17, 2008 at 8:39 PM

The correct answer, in principle, is (a), as both Truthers and Holocaust Deniers are at least talking about empirical events. However, since they willfully ignore all evidence that refutes their respective positions, the effective result is the same as if they were making metaphysical assertions. They have their set of statements and they aren’t going to stop uttering them, reason be damned. “Fire cannot melt steel!” could well be viewed as a statement from Truther scripture.

I would not imply that Creationists are on an equivalent moral footing with Truthers or Holocaust deniers, however. They simply seem to be in a similar psychological rut when it comes to their treatment of certain core beliefs.

I wasn’t talking about you just so you know.

In that case I am not personally offended but I do not retract my criticism of you that you behave as if you are an arbiter of judgment and consign people to Hell with a prideful certainty. The Bible explicitly warns believers against this and yet you persist in it.

How do you know that Tim Russert is boiling in hell? All the newspaper reports said that he was a believing Christian and a good man yet you judged him according to your own standards. He may be in heaven right now laughing at you. It is up to God to decide and no one else. That is what the Bible teaches.

aengus, you are a very intelligent and well reasoned gentleman. I love reading your posts, even those we’re sometimes at odds over.

Only about 90% of time. Lol.

p.s. I don’t know if you ever saw my reply to the loss of your mother. I had expressed sorrow, and had conveyed to you that I also lost mine, to cancer, at the age of 13, when she was only 33.

Yes I did see that, thank you. I appreciate it. I’m sorry for your loss.

‘Night all!

aengus on June 18, 2008 at 12:07 AM

I wasn’t talking about you just so you know.

I will pray for you.

aengus on June 18, 2008 at 12:07 AM

You try praying for him. I will try electroshock therapy. Bobby Jindal can try an exorcism. Then we will compare results.