Rape jokes to the Right and the Left

posted at 9:55 am on June 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

The questionable taste of two would-be comedians has come under national scrutiny in this year’s political campaign, with both Democrats and Republicans showing some shrieking hysterics rather than maturity. John McCain comes under fire for having a supporter who told a bad joke about rape eighteen years ago, while Republicans organized nationwide to scold Senate candidate Al Franken for having himself suggested a comedy skit about the rape of a television journalist. Maybe both sides should give it a rest.

First, the Democrats on McCain:

“Offensive, disgusting comments like these cannot be tolerated,” said DNC communications director Karen Finnery. “Sen. McCain’s refusal to return the money Williams raised for him raises serious questions and shows the reality behind his rhetoric about running a new kind of campaign.”

Cecile Richards, daughter of the late governor and president of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, blasted McCain for being ignorant of Williams’ history.

“Clayton Williams’ totally inappropriate remarks about women are well-known,” Richards told the Chronicle. “Planning to host a fundraiser at his house is just another example of how out of touch John McCain is when it comes to women’s issues. This is a major misstep for the McCain campaign, who is having a hard time getting support from women.”

Next, the Republicans:

Nonetheless, Republican state Rep. Laura Brod said the quotes combined with the Playboy piece shows “a pattern of behavior which is not suitable for a U.S. senator.”

“Rape, a joke. Just think about it. Rape is not a punchline and it certainly is not funny,” Brod said, adding, “To thousands of women in this nation who are raped and sexually assaulted, the prospect that a man making a living joking about these things would be a U.S. senator is absolutely horrifying.”

Both of these are huge overreactions. If the DNC doesn’t think a joke from eighteen years ago about rape can be tolerated from a bundler, then I look forward to them kicking Al Franken off of the ticket in Minnesota and endorsing Norm Coleman. After all, that came from the candidate himself, not just a fundraiser. And will Brod start requiring people who contribute to Republicans to pledge that they have never told an off-color joke in their lives, including ethnic, blonde, or any other kind of derogatory humor? If so, I can look forward to an end of junk mail and telephone calls from the Minnesota Republicans this year.

I think Al Franken may be the worst candidate in Minnesota since Jesse Ventura, but I hardly find him “horrifying”. His standing as a politician has nothing to do with the jokes he wrote as a staffer at Saturday Night Live or the even sillier outrage over a piece of satirical fiction in Playboy, in which the Democrats themselves indulged. His tenure at Air America and as an author in political punditry, as well as his complete incompetence or worse in running his own businesses and paying his taxes, gives plenty of reasons to reject Franken without damning him for having a sense of humor.

At least Franken’s getting attacked for what he did. McCain’s getting attacked for a joke he didn’t tell, about a subject that he didn’t minimize. It’s absurd, and given Franken’s controversy, wildly hypocritical.

People use humor in many different ways, and sometimes it comes out badly. A joke in poor taste from eight, thirteen, or eighteen years ago does not condemn a person to a Dante-like Circle of Political Hell. The shrieking hysterics on both sides need to dial down the outrage.

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It would be nice if both sides would just stick to the issues and let people decide based on that. Neither side seems confident enough in their stance to do such a thing, which is sad.

Mibrilane on June 16, 2008 at 9:59 AM

I completely agree…enough with this stuff. I definitely find Franken still a complete joke of a candidate without this…

DCJeff on June 16, 2008 at 10:05 AM

McCain’s best defense is a good offense. When you put McCain in an uncomfortable position, he handles it well. See, e.g., McCain’s appearance on Ellen’s show with the gay marriage thing. The fact that McCain spent 5 years getting tortured and 20 years as a Naval officer makes his ability to effectively deal with uncomfortable situations unsurprising.

But not so with Obama. I knew a bunch of Obama types when I was at Harvard; they can sit in coffee houses, classrooms and Marxist reading groups and wax eloquent about the cruelties imposed upon various oppressed groups, but they break down into tears and head for the hills the moment they’re attacked. Obama has a glass jaw, so the more we attack him, the more likely he is to gaffe or flub a response, which might expose vulnerability.

Let the Obama people and their drive-by media accomplices keep up the silly attacks on McCain’s campaign contributors. Keep up the attacks on Obama!

Outlander on June 16, 2008 at 10:06 AM

Wait, blonde jokes are now off limits?! That’ll certainly cut down on comedy. But it does seem that the left is fairly humorless, unless it’s jokes about the religious or white men.

rbj on June 16, 2008 at 10:16 AM

The problem with the Williams thing, as far as McCain goes, is not that he said it during the 1990 campaign against Ann Richards, it’s that the McCain advance people either didn’t know about it, or haven’t yet figured out that any guilt-by-association connection the Democrats can come up with is going to be taken and run with by the big media outlets at a major scandal. If the McCain crew can’t put two and two together by now that they have to be 10 times more careful in their vetting than Obama does because of the reporting bias, they’re going to be sandbagged over and over again by this type of thing.

(Ironically, if Williams hadn’t told the “if rape is inevitable” joke and the Democrats hadn’t made such a to do about it 18 years ago, Claytie would have been elected governor in 1990, and George W. Bush would never have run for the job in 1994 and then would not have been around to run against McCain in the 2000 Republican primary).

jon1979 on June 16, 2008 at 10:19 AM

I don’t need anybody, let alone a politician, telling what I should and shouldn’t laugh at. Take it away, George.

Jim Treacher on June 16, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Outlander

Good insight.
Are you new here?

jgapinoy on June 16, 2008 at 10:20 AM

And will Brod start requiring people who contribute to Republicans to pledge that they have never told an off-color joke in their lives, including ethnic, blonde, or any other kind of derogatory humor?

Finally, I’m off the hook!! I can stop the RNC contribution calls and mail cold. See… I told some really tasteless dead baby jokes when I was in 6th grade, so that automatically disqualifies me from being able to contribute.

Oh, the things you find funny when you’re 11.

crazy_legs on June 16, 2008 at 10:25 AM

Wooo, hold on there. Al Franken is a comedian? Could have fooled me.

thekingtut on June 16, 2008 at 10:28 AM

Still five months to go before election day, and this is all the DNC can throw at McCain – a joke someone else told eighteen years ago?

Weak. Like their candidate.

fogw on June 16, 2008 at 10:29 AM

Why all the fuss? Al Franken can’t help that he is a little man.

bloggless on June 16, 2008 at 10:32 AM

It looks more and more like this election is going to be decided by who is the more politically correct candidate. And, odd as it may seem, that isn’t automatically Obama.

Buford Gooch on June 16, 2008 at 10:39 AM

At least Franken’s getting attacked for what he did. McCain’s getting attacked for a joke he didn’t tell, about a subject that he didn’t minimize.

Absolutely right. We should be focusing on the things the candidates do and say themselves, the more recent the better. Not wasting space on things said by their friends, family, associates, fundraisers, pastors…

Oh… wait…

:-p

Jazz Shaw on June 16, 2008 at 10:39 AM

Hey, did you ever hear the one about Superman, Catwoman and the Invisible Man?

I DENOUNCE IT!

Dan Collins on June 16, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Eh, the dhimms can’t find anything worse than a tasteless joke made eighteen years ago??… by a supporter? Not the candidate himself… I think they need to get a grip on reality.

4shoes on June 16, 2008 at 10:45 AM

So much for that “new politics” by the Obama campaign!

rockmom on June 16, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Fake indignation to make political points is now the “in” thing since Countdown’s inception. People watch Olbermann and want to be just like him. Fun to watch, but they need to end or begin their sentences with “Sir.”

a capella on June 16, 2008 at 10:46 AM

Why don’t all these people take a deep breath and try to regain a little bit of sanity. Of course Franken as a US Senator would be a joke but he would have lots of company.

duff65 on June 16, 2008 at 10:48 AM

Well one reason to bring it up is that Franken seems not to have a filter and pretty much has been acting like a self absorbed jack*** with the restraint of a 3 year old. Maybe at the beginning you could think it was an act but after all this time it’s pretty clear it’s no act. I mean he did that one, he made jokes about Reagan getting literally reamed and of course there’s been a few incidents of him flying into a rage. (And that’s not even considering how dishonest he is almost to the point of parody yet rails on and on about truth.) His whole stick for the past 30+ years is how much of an insufferable boor he is and that rape joke is just more of the same from him. (I mean if that was the only thing like that in his past I could understand but when it’s one after another and then uses the “It’s ok, it’s just a joke” defense that’s a little weak.)

Dave_d on June 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM

I live in Texas and remember that “joke.” It pretty much ended Clayton Williams’ political career. I think he learned his lesson. Doesn’t anybody get forgiven for anything anymore? If not forgive, at least forget.

Kafir on June 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Brain-dead ‘feminists’ like those quoted chastising McCain only forgive and forget if the alleged perpetrator is a democRat (a la Slick Willie). A wink-wink, nudge-nudge and all is forgiven. Some modest lip-biting helps, too…

GeneSmith on June 16, 2008 at 10:59 AM

I was a young woman in Texas at the time, and I thought all the hoohaw over the joke was stupid back in 1990. I’m appalled and amazed that Claytie still catches crap for it 18 years later.

OT but related: Maybe it’s better to just ignore this, but HuffPo was really rolling in the mud this weekend with their attacks on Cindy McCain. As just one example, remember that guy who stalked George Allen’s campaign in order to stage incidents? He went after McCain the other day, and brags about here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-stark/the-coming-storm-or-why-m_b_107148.html

He’s doing a Larry Johnson and promising that the poop is going to hit the fan, soon, just you wait, any day now.

juliesa on June 16, 2008 at 11:04 AM

If former Senator George Allen campaigns for McCain, the Dems will blame McCain for Allen’s “macaca” remark, which probably cost Allen his Senate seat. Is McCain supposed to “vet” everything said 18 years ago by every supporter? Does he have to refuse endorsements from everyone who might have said something controversial many years ago?

For what it’s worth, Jozef Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) was once in the Hitler Youth (probably forced into it). Should we hold that against him now?

Steve Z on June 16, 2008 at 11:15 AM

Tit for tat. Amazing how quick the left comes up with that tat. You’d think they were playing old politics. Do what you gotta do to get elected and then bring on that good ol’ Demo goodness.

Problem is, they say hope and change but play cut and slash like the rest of us.

And are convinced they are the nice ones.

God save us from from really nice people who are in fact!
Just as dirty as the rest of us. More so I dare say.

dingbat on June 16, 2008 at 11:15 AM

An oldie, but a goodie:

Q. How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?

A. THAT’S NOT FUNNY!

Splunge on June 16, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Clayton Williams told a rape joke 18 years ago, in the age of Sam Kinison, et al… OH NO!!!

Uh, who’s Clayton Williams?

Answer: He’s the guy that the Dems just brought out from OBSCURITY!!!

originalpechanga on June 16, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Yes, a joke about rape a long time in the past is the worst possible person to be associated with…

Wait, someone’s yelling William Ayres at me… who the heck is that? Obviously not as bad as someone who told an off-color joke a couple decades ago.

Oh, and Splunge, that’s definitely one of my favorites.

gekkobear on June 16, 2008 at 11:37 AM

It smells of a desperate attempt to smear McCain. If this is the best the left can come up with, then try using McCain liberal legislative history against him.

Kini on June 16, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Clayton Williams’ totally inappropriate remarks about women are well-known,” Richards told the Chronicle.

WOMEN AREN’T THE ONLY VICTIMS OF RAPE YOU IDIOT!!!!! Damn selfcentered feminazis.

Darth Executor on June 16, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Let me see here: Association with a man who made a bad joke (McCain/Williams) vs. associating with a self-admitted terrorist (Obaaaaaama/Ayers).

Yep.

The bad joke is definitely more newsworthy.

/sarc

Vic on June 16, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Clayton Williams’ totally inappropriate remarks about women are well-known,” Richards told the Chronicle.
WOMEN AREN’T THE ONLY VICTIMS OF RAPE YOU IDIOT!!!!! Damn selfcentered feminazis.

Darth Executor on June 16, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Law and Order SVU did an episode back in the early 2000s based on a true story of a male dancer who hired to perform at a bachlorette party and was held captive for hours, tied up and raped by the bride and her female guests. It allegedly happened in NYC in the early 80s.

Those male dancers are usually gay, and back then that was probably very high risk behavior and I believe a very wrong decision by bridezilla and her girls to make….

AprilOrit on June 16, 2008 at 1:02 PM

splink on June 16, 2008 at 11:43 AM

/#6 dance

James on June 16, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Until recently the darling of the Democratic party was a man who has been credibly accused of rape and has never denied it.

Their selective outrage is pathetic.

JadeNYU on June 16, 2008 at 3:36 PM

According to the Dallas Morning News TrailBlazers Blog, ABC news and the Washington Post were tipped off about Clayton Williams remarks by Planned Parenthood. Now, before you start scratching you heads as to why Planned Parenthood would dust off this crusty political morsel, check this out:

And who heads Planned Parenthood? Cecile Richards, the daughter of the late Texas governor, who was at her mother’s side much of the 1990 campaign.

Nothing like a little personal grudge being inserted into national politics.

ospurt on June 16, 2008 at 7:18 PM

When you walk down the middle of the road, it results in getting hit by cars traveling in different directions.

jeffNWV on June 16, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Wait, blonde jokes are now off limits?!

rbj on June 16, 2008 at 10:16 AM

That’s right. Never say dye!

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on June 16, 2008 at 8:56 PM

So I assume the left must really be enraged by Ted Kennedy’s endorsement of Obama, since Ted is William Kennedy Smith’s uncle, and three separate women have accused Smith of rape/coercing them into sex. See http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0620051wksmith1.html.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on June 16, 2008 at 9:16 PM

A bad joke about rape eighteen years ago. How long does one have to wear ashes and sackcloth in order to get forgiveness? I’m with Ed – give it a rest.

abcurtis on June 17, 2008 at 8:37 AM

This all goes back to George Allen’s macaca moment. Some word spoken by Allen, probably made up, was deemed racist by the media and they and the socialist democrats used it to put an end to Allen’s political aspirations and gave us Jim Webb as a senator. And if 20 years from now, Allen decides to run for a school board seat, you can bet the macaca moment will be revived.
Allen should be where McCain is today.

abcurtis on June 17, 2008 at 9:01 AM