A reality mugging, that is.

Bartoshevich will likely become a pariah within her district for quite some time, and her participation in politics will get met with a lot less enthusiasm than before.

Oh, never mind. Looks like it’s going to be a chronic condition.

////

Sorry to get off the topic of whether it’s better to vote for the compromised Republican candidate or not. Reminds of my college Marxist days–arguing with the Trostkyists about “the Cuban question,” or was it “the Iran question”–”the race question?” I can’t remember. Anyway, they were purists in everything. That’s why there are almost none of them around anymore. They were right on the Iran question, btw–don’t have any truck with the ayatollahs.

JonRoss on June 15, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Cuba. China. Vietnam, etc. All nightmares to this day.

Twenty two years ago Viet Nam realized that it’s Communist economic system was a failure and instituted “Doi Moi,” a systematic effort to convert its economic system to Capitalism. “Doi Moi” also works toward changing the system of government into a democracy.

While I did not set foot in Viet Nam between 19 April 1975 and January 1995, I maintained contact with my in-laws and with members of the Vietnamese community and others who visited Viet Nam during that time frame. From January 1995 (since Nov 1997 as owner of a home) till now I have personally observed the progress that Viet Nam has made toward these goals. My observations support the official CIA, US Congress UN etc. statistics that rate Viet Nam as having one of the fastest growing economies in the world during this time frame.

Note also, US Navy ships also make port calls in Viet Nam and China.

Your description of Viet Nam had become outdated by the late 1990’s

Sam
Three tour VN War Vet and retired military.

Wisconsin DNC delegate announces for McCain

That’s weird.

Even the strayed Black cat that I see on the street everyday told me that she will vote for Hussein.

Yesterday my Black poop told me that it will vote for Hussein.

What’s going on?

Quotation marks are used for many things other than direct quotes. I use the blockquote function for your previous content and quotation marks for other purposes such as “added emphasis”, but not to indicate a direct quote. The technique is painfully obvious and used by almost everyone. See? No one actually said the words “added emphasis” until now.

nottakingsides on June 15, 2008 at 10:54 PM

Ok. So now you’re making up your own little rules of punctuation and conventionality to go along with your imaginary friends?

The conventions you claim as obvious are nothing of the sort. Punctuation and html tags have long established meanings, just not the ones you believe. Quotation marks, as you are using above, usually indicate sarcasm, not added emphasis. You’d be better off using the strong tag for that.

Are you new, or what? That would certainly account for your poor performance today.

That aside, it does not change the fact that you attributed motives and actions to me that you made up out of whole cloth.

You explode at me, unprovoked, and I’m the bad guy here? You attacked me, remember?

You have not argued in any honest or logical way during this entire thread. It’s all emotion and lies with you.

I stand by every single comment I made to you. You quite clearly are nuts, and you don’t seem particularly bright at all. That’s me making an observation based on your comments and responses, not calling you names.

And throughout all of this, from my very first response to you, you have still not responded with a workable plan or a solution. Just more senseless attacks on me. You expose yourself for the thoughtless and empty vessel you are.

I tried reasoning with you but you’re not interested. Message recieved. I won’t be responding to you further. Life’s just too short.

sitting around whining
Blow me.
WTF?
Hey moron
I’ve answered your idiot questions.
Again, and quite emphatically; Blow. Me.
YOU are clearly nuts.
get back on your meds
WTF?
you’ve got a bone up your a$$
you’re getting pissy
That’s just nuts.
Seek help.
You really are derranged.
Are you derranged?
Or suggest that you seek help?
misunderstood your lunacy. But no, you’re still nuts.
tiny little mind
your imaginary friend

I could also expose the multiple logical fallacies on your side of the debate, but that would be boring, nor would you “get it”. (quotations to add emphasis, BTW)

Quotation marks are used for many things other than direct quotes. I use the blockquote function for your previous content and quotation marks for other purposes such as “added emphasis”, but not to indicate a direct quote. The technique is painfully obvious and used by almost everyone. See? No one actually said the words “added emphasis” until now.

Seriously. Actions have consequences is my only point.
And you point that out everytime McCain is called out. “Hey! What do ya want, a Marxist for President? Vote McCain!”. Wow! That’s genius!

You exagerate the frequency. And am I not allowed the right to state my opinion?

And WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR GRAND PLAN, genius? Attacking me isn’t solving our problem, is it? How do you suggest we solve our mutual problem?
techno_barbarian on June 15, 2008 at 7:04 PM

You are the one that vehemently advocates supporting/cheerleading during the campaign, not calling him out and criticizing him NOWvoting for McCain, and THEN “fighting” him,.

That is not at all what I’m advocating. Once again, yell your friggin’ head off about how bad McC is.

I. Don’t. Care. I’m not trying to stifle your dissent. How many times do I have to say that? You’re making this crap up. It may be what you hear in your tiny little mind, but that does not make it what I actually said or believe.

I asked you HOW and your answer sucked. You originally said “We can fight McCain (meaning DURING his term), and vote him out in 4 years”.

In your opinion, which you’re entitled to. You disagree with me. That’s cool. You still haven’t proposed anything resembling a plan or workable solution. At least I’m taking the action I can. You’re just going to throw your hands up and quit. That’s fine too. It’s not my fault if you’re having guilty thoughts.

How do you fight McCain any differently than the failure with Bush? How does voting him out 4 years later and then at that time people like you say “Hey, the next guy sucks, but hey, it’s better than McCain or that other Marxist”. Nothing will ever change with your approach and that cycle will continue on leftward.

You make my very point here. You don’t trust the GOP to actually fix anything either. And then you once again attribute an action to me that I’m not likely to take at all. You and your imaginary friend need to leave me out of this.

Mainly what I have is my vote and what I continue to do on a local/community level, my money, and I enjoy reading and discussing politics periodically. McCain doesn’t want the conservative vote or money, and I will not be an activist for him, nor the mostly failed left-leaning GOP. It is up to McCain and Republicans activate the base if they want it.

nottakingsides on June 15, 2008 at 9:09 PM

Again, you make my very point. Have the current crop of GOPers exhibited any real moves in your/our direction? No they have not. What makes you believe they’re going to anytime soon? They’re moving steadily away from us, in fact.

Why not? The country is and has been moving leftward. The media continually crushes Conservative ideals, and there’s a lot of easy money to make. Some of them take the path of least resistance.

I, like you, do not trust them, and resent them ignoring us. By all means scream your friggin’ head off at the things that need to change. Hell, I’m with you on the vast majority of the things we share in common.

But you’d rather fight and rail against an imaginary foe you’ve created in your own mind, than discuss real solutions.

The GOP reformation is going to take some time to turn around, don’t you think? It’s not going to happen before this election, is it? This election is going to happen before the GOP can possibly be reformed. So it comes down to what’s the wisest thing for a voter to do. I have my ideas you are entitled to your own.

I think it wiser to have at least a tiny bit of influence rather than absolutely none. That is my only point. Is that so blasphemous to you?

I’m voting in my own best self interests, for my and my family’s survival. If that pisses you off, so what? It’s reality. I’m dealing with it the best way I know how.

Stop reading your own bias and prejudice into my comments and misquoting me. Most of what you’re accusing me of is happening soley between your own ears. Do not project that crap onto me.

Besides… few people , myself included, have ever considered me sane. Borderline functional, at best. Just enough to avoid the rubber room.
So- calling me sane just hurts your own reputation.
;-)

LegendHasIt on June 15, 2008 at 8:53 PM

Say what you will, but a few others here could take some lessons from you in effectively presenting their cases.

I don’t think you should change your excellent nick, but if you did, I’d suggest “That’s Irritainment”. Though I’ve seldom found you irritating. ;o)

Made me think about something a few times I might not have otherwise , though. So thanks for that.

Seriously. Actions have consequences is my only point.

And you point that out everytime McCain is called out. “Hey! What do ya want, a Marxist for President? Vote McCain!”. Wow! That’s genius!

And WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR GRAND PLAN, genius? Attacking me isn’t solving our problem, is it? How do you suggest we solve our mutual problem?

techno_barbarian on June 15, 2008 at 7:04 PM

You are the one that vehemently advocates supporting/cheerleading during the campaign, not calling him out and criticizing him NOW, voting for McCain, and THEN “fighting” him. I asked you HOW and your answer sucked. You originally said “We can fight McCain (meaning DURING his term), and vote him out in 4 years”.

How do you fight McCain any differently than the failure with Bush? How does voting him out 4 years later and then at that time people like you say “Hey, the next guy sucks, but hey, it’s better than McCain or that other Marxist”. Nothing will ever change with your approach and that cycle will continue on leftward.

Mainly what I have is my vote and what I continue to do on a local/community level, my money, and I enjoy reading and discussing politics periodically. McCain doesn’t want the conservative vote or money, and I will not be an activist for him, nor the mostly failed left-leaning GOP. It is up to McCain and Republicans activate the base if they want it.

Gee…sounds like something from a CNN opinion fest. You may be happier posting over on kos or an Obama site. Kum-ba-ya is not spoken here.

JonRoss on June 15, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Yeah, because it’s so unlike kos to immediately jump to vitriol and invective right off the bat, rather than intelligently state your case and back it up with reason.

HA could use a lot more of the latter and much less of the former. It greatly improve the signal to noise ratio.

Kum-ba-ya has nothing to do with it. It’s a respect thing. I’m hoping you understand that.

Legend, I would call it “LastSaneMDSer”.
Squid Shark on June 15, 2008 at 8:43 PM

Quit trying to butter me up. I ain’t changing my mind on ‘youknowwho’

Besides… few people , myself included, have ever considered me sane. Borderline functional, at best. Just enough to avoid the rubber room.
So- calling me sane just hurts your own reputation.
;-)

I just got here and I’m perplexed.

What’s with you people on this blog (Hot Air)? Someone says something and the next thing you know someone is going off on him. Grow some thick skin, not a thick skull.

Maybe, just maybe, someone didn’t write something the way they wanted it to come out. Maybe, someone is just being provocative just to start something.

Granted, there have been people who have said some real stupid stuff and I have gotten into these wars myself, but I try not to take offense at every little thing that I disagree with.

And yes, I’m not perfect.

cjs1943 on June 15, 2008 at 8:30 PM

Gee…sounds like something from a CNN opinion fest. You may be happier posting over on kos or an Obama site. Kum-ba-ya is not spoken here.

LegendHasIt on June 15, 2008 at 7:55 PM

Legend, I would call it “LastSaneMDSer”.

What’s with you people on this blog (Hot Air)? Someone says something and the next thing you know someone is going off on him. Grow some thick skin, not a thick skull.

Maybe, just maybe, someone didn’t write something the way they wanted it to come out. Maybe, someone is just being provocative just to start something.

Granted, there have been people who have said some real stupid stuff and I have gotten into these wars myself, but I try not to take offense at every little thing that I disagree with.

And yes, I’m not perfect.

Mine was chosen… years and years ago at Lucianne.com… because I thought it would make a neat sort of pun when I was trying to communicate something based on innuendo only. Turned out to be less useful than imagined, as I have only used it that way once, maybe twice in all these years.

Lately I’ve been wishing I could change mine… To something like ‘MDS Sufferer’, ‘The Irritator’, or something.

“Stopping the leftist coup” would be exposing MCCAIN and RINO liberal creep, calling him out each and every time he moves further left, and not giving McCain our support or vote UNTIL he EARNS it.

nottakingsides on June 15, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Went back to make sure I hadn’t misunderstood your lunacy. But no, you’re still nuts.

You seriously think McC is going to actually try to curry your favor? That’s hilarious. You don’t get it do you? He doesn’t need me and you. He’s going after the Centrist Democrats, and he’s going to get a big bunch of them, since Comrade Obambi can’t stop shooting himself and his handlers in the foot. He’ll most likely get more Dems than he loses TCs.

And do you seriously think you’ll have any voice or influence over Comrade Obambi and his hordes, should they gain complete control over all three branches of the government and a majority on the SCOTUS?

Seriously?

I find it both telling and disturbing that you fear a McC presidency more than the Obambi marxist regime you would see us suffer.

Pardon me if I refuse to do that and use the one measley vote I do have to vote against something I know for a fact will destroy most of what I’ve built up over my lifetime. Pardon me if I don’t want to commit economic and political suicide with you. I’m not telling you not to vote your conscious or compromise your principles. I’m just trying to remind you that such decisions have real world impact, and at this point in history, very serious ones.

Again, what exactly is your plan?

Is it just me, or is the handle “nottakingsides” extremely ironic?

Al in St. Lou on June 15, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Heh. The mask slipped completely off a while back there.

Am I the only one completely perplexed at this exchange?

Again, calling McCain critics (on HA, on blogs and talk radio) as “whiners” as opposed to your proposal of quiet fighting with emails/letters/etc.. (AS IF THEY ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE).

Again, Stronger public venues (conservative blogs and talk radio)exposed McCain and roused citizens to action as opposed to your plan of cheerleading on public venues until November when he has the POWER.

Again, YOU feel that ANY political discussion involving ANY critique of McCain’s liberal ideologies is to ” Let it all crash and burn so some mythical zombie Reagan can rise from the ashes”

“Stopping the leftist coup” would be exposing MCCAIN and RINO liberal creep, calling him out each and every time he moves further left, and not giving McCain our support or vote UNTIL he EARNS it.

One McCain is POTUS, your “quiet fight” will not be heard by him no more than Bush.

nottakingsides on June 15, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Good Lord! You really are derranged. You think I’m against HA, talk radio, and blogs because I took it upon myself to take what I learned from all three of the sources you mention and take the action of actually calling, emailing, faxing, etc?

What’s all this about some now scare quoted “quiet fight”? Are you derranged? I’m making as much noise as a single human can.

Wow. Just Wow.

You’ve got this mistaken idea I want to deny you of your write to vote as you please. Not so! Vote for Batman if you want. Seriously. Actions have consequences is my only point. But you’re evidently much too dense to get that.

And WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR GRAND PLAN, genius? Attacking me isn’t solving our problem, is it? How do you suggest we solve our mutual problem?

I respect your right to dissent. Doesn’t mean I have to agree with you, nor by disagreeing with you do I desire to demonize you. That’s projection right there. On your part.

Anybody ever tell you you have a hair trigger? Or suggest that you seek help?

I’m voting against the marxist takeover of our Republic. We can fight McC, and toss him out in 4 years.

I’m counting on my fellow Americans, on both sides of the aisle to step up and stop this leftist coup in its tracks.

techno_barbarian on June 15, 2008 at 12:00 PM

I asked you how and you said:

You never heard of NumbersUSA? Phone calls? Faxes? Emails? Letters? You know, that action thing?

techno_barbarian on June 15, 2008 at 2:10 PM

…It’s a hell of a lot better than sitting around whining…

…As for fighting McC, specifically, we stopped amnesty going through lasy year…

…Further, what do you think should be done? Let it all crash and burn so some mythical zombie Reagan can rise from the ashes and make it all better?…

techno_barbarian on June 15, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Again, calling McCain critics (on HA, on blogs and talk radio) as “whiners” as opposed to your proposal of quiet fighting with emails/letters/etc.. (AS IF THEY ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE).

Again, Stronger public venues (conservative blogs and talk radio)exposed McCain and roused citizens to action as opposed to your plan of cheerleading on public venues until November when he has the POWER.

Again, YOU feel that ANY political discussion involving ANY critique of McCain’s liberal ideologies is to ” Let it all crash and burn so some mythical zombie Reagan can rise from the ashes”

“Stopping the leftist coup” would be exposing MCCAIN and RINO liberal creep, calling him out each and every time he moves further left, and not giving McCain our support or vote UNTIL he EARNS it.

One McCain is POTUS, your “quiet fight” will not be heard by him no more than Bush.

You want ME to back up why NOW criticizing liberal, anti-capitalists and economy-crusing ideologies is more helpful than waiting.

nottakingsides on June 15, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Ok. YOU are clearly nuts. What I want is for you to get back on your meds as quickly as possible and stop making a public spectacle of yourself.

Where have I ever even suggested for anyone to “wait and be silent UNTIL McCain is POTUS”? You used quotes. I assume you realize what they indicate. I’ve never said any such thing. And I certainly do not advocate silence about McC’s many shortcomings. You have no credibility here.

And the rant about me wanting to shut down talk radio and blogs? Again, WTF? Where did you get any of that coming from me? Answer: You didn’t. You’re making crap up out of thin air, because, for some reason you’ve got a bone up your a$$ because I said I’d rather fight McC than bend over and accept a devastating dem trifecta.

Here… since you’re simple, I’ll try this one last time:

I respectfully disagree.

The people who are reticient to vote for McC have very valid and demonstrable reasons for not doing so, and their decisions and principles should be respected.

I’m not a big McC fan by any stretch of the imagination. I’m currently leaning toward voting his way in the general, but I’m doing it as a direct opposition to the triple threat of a possible obambi, pelousi, reid trifecta. I am not enthusiastically supporting McC, as he is more Centrist Democrat than Republican Conservative.

I’m voting against the marxist takeover of our Republic. We can fight McC, and toss him out in 4 years. It’s going to be much harder to recover from the damage that an all radical leftist dem government can and will inflict.

I’m counting on my fellow Americans, on both sides of the aisle to step up and stop this leftist coup in its tracks. But their decisions and their votes are their own, and the will of the People, no matter what it is, will prevail in November.
techno_barbarian on June 15, 2008 at 12:00 PM

And after all that, you’re getting pissy because I think we have a better chance of fighting McC’s idiocy rather than the triple charged threat of the dems?

That’s just nuts. Either come with some constructive solutions and suggestions or STFU.

I’m done with you. You repeatedly accuse me of things I have not done and beliefs I do not have and have put word in my mouth that I did not say.

Seek help. Seriously.

I am spending my time trying to reason with the one I think there is still hope for: Legend, right, etc.
Squid Shark on June 15, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Barking up the wrong tree; I’m beyond reasoning with on McCain… You got a better chance of converting MB4 or flenser. Remember; I’m the one with the 33 year history with McCain. With me it is personal as well as political.

Only McCain himself could get me to vote for him; by changing his mind on three things… and those three things are the three things that he holds most dear. So that ain’t a gonna happen…

Heck, at this point if he would come out and say that he was completely wrong and that he is withdrawing as the chief GOP Acolyte to Pope Gore at the Church of Global Warming; I might be willing to consider it, and just try to forget all about McCain-Feingold and Shamnesty and every other stupid decision he has made and every other betrayal, personal and political.

The only way that such a declaration would be believable to me, knowing the guy as I do, would to be if he takes a couple of days off the campaign trail and whips up some actual legislation to open up ANWR and the coastal areas to drilling and to build some refineries and get out of the way of oil shale development, drop cap and trade.

Until that happens, your time and effort would be more profitably spent trying to keep the moon from orbiting around the earth.

I will call you out on YOUR “wait and be silent UNTIL McCain is POTUS” foolishness everytime you mention it.

As for fighting McC, specifically, we stopped amnesty going through lasy year and stopped the dem’s backdoor attempt at passing amnesty as a part of the last troop funding bill, among other things.

Talk radio and blogs EXPOSED McCain and his cronies dispicable schemes, which IN TURN helped educated citizens, which IN TURN caused citizens to use whatever means they had (threats of future VOTES, lack of money, and the other “fighting’ methods you mentioned earlier) to shut McCain and his liberal political hordes down.

YOU want to shut down the actual means (talk radio and blogs) that pushed the people which in turn shut down the shamnesty BS.

Bush (basically) just let it happen and your letter writing has no effect on the POTUS. If so, tell me where Bush has listened.

McCain as POTUS would actually be promoting shamnesty and defending open borders. And you actually think that keeping silent NOW will BETTER stop Shamnesty when McCain starts it up again?

HA is a conservative website where politics can be discussed. Liberal/socialist/Marxist/anti-capitalist/anti-US/environmental extremist/etc.. ideologies can be criticized regardless if it comes from McCain or any other Republican.

YOU want it criticism of McCain to stop and only want cheerleading until he is POTUS. YOU said we should only fight McCain once POTUS. I asked you exactly how, and you have resorted to the same foolish rants against McCain critics.

You want ME to back up why NOW criticizing liberal, anti-capitalists and economy-crusing ideologies is more helpful than waiting.