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posted at 9:00 am on June 15, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The Times of London reports that the US and the UK have launched the most extensive operations within Pakistan since 9/11 to capture Osama bin Laden. The new operation reportedly has Pakistani approval and aims to flush Osama towards the Afghanistan border. If they succeed, they plan on throwing quite the party for bin Laden:

The Special Boat Service (SBS) and the Special Reconnaissance Regiment have been taking part in the US-led operations to capture Bin Laden in the wild frontier region of northern Pakistan. It is the first time they have operated across the Afghan border on a regular basis.

The hunt was “completely sanctioned” by the Pakistani government, according to a UK special forces source. It involves the use of Predator and Reaper unmanned aerial vehicles fitted with Hellfire missiles that can be used to take out specific terrorist targets. …

A Pentagon source said US forces were rolling up Al-Qaeda’s network in Pakistan in the hope of pushing Bin Laden towards the Afghan border, where the US military and bombers with guided missiles were lying in wait. “They are prepping for a major battle,” he said.

Can they get Osama after over six years of frustration? The intel appears much improved over the last few months. We have hit major elements of al-Qaeda with drone and missile attacks in 2008, which indicates that the US has begun to unravel some important parts of the AQ network. They may have figured out a specific region in which Osama has hidden himself, perhaps along with Ayman al-Zawahiri. If the US and UK feel that they can send more Special Forces personnel into Pakistan, they could start conducting serious operations to either capture or kill the pair, or at least drive them into the open.The Times reports this as George Bush’s insistence on nailing Osama before he leaves office. However, this may have more to do with developments within Pakistan rather than in Washington. The Pakistanis have all but ceded sovereignty over the frontier provinces to the Taliban, negotiating for coexistence instead of combating the Islamists. The Pakistani Army has begun to retreat from its responsibilities in the region, which gives the US and UK an opportunity to operate without bumping into Pakistani soldiers.

The real key to this isn’t the end of George Bush’s term in office. It’s the likelihood that Pervez Musharraf won’t remain in office much longer, perhaps exiting before the end of the Bush term. Once Musharraf goes, the US will never get the same level of cooperation from Pakistan’s armed forces — which makes it imperative that they start rolling the dice now.


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I hope so.

I want Bush to get him. After all the unimaginable bilge and grief the man has taken for keeping us safe and taking the fight to our enemies I want him to be able to retire to Texas knowing Osama is rotting in the ground.

I don’t even give a damn how it plays out politically. I just want him to be the one to finish the job.

Typhoon on June 15, 2008 at 9:14 AM

Karzi is talking tough this morning too (about crossing the border).

I dunno Ed…..just the simple fact that we really haven’t seen the fella since the 04 election (his election tape) makes me think he is dead. I’ve always suspected he isn’t anywhere near tribal regions (read Qum).

Limerick on June 15, 2008 at 9:16 AM

I second Typhoon’s sentiments.

LimeyGeek on June 15, 2008 at 9:18 AM

I’ll believe it when I see it.

SoulGlo on June 15, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Whatever happened with Mullah Mohamed Omar? I haven’t heard of him in ages.

Darth Executor on June 15, 2008 at 9:24 AM

If the US and UK feel that they can send…

If the US and UK think that they can send…
Fixed.

jgapinoy on June 15, 2008 at 9:33 AM

Sic ‘em, W!

jgapinoy on June 15, 2008 at 9:34 AM

I want Bush to get him. After all the unimaginable bilge and grief the man has taken for keeping us safe and taking the fight to our enemies I want him to be able to retire to Texas knowing Osama is rotting in the ground.

Typhoon on June 15, 2008 at 9:14 AM

I second Typhoon’s sentiments.

LimeyGeek on June 15, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Ditto.

Anita on June 15, 2008 at 9:34 AM

A Pentagon source said US forces were rolling up Al-Qaeda’s network in Pakistan in the hope of pushing Bin Laden towards the Afghan border, where the US military and bombers with guided missiles were lying in wait. “

Shhhh. Don’t let Osama know the strategy.

Buy Danish on June 15, 2008 at 9:35 AM

I like how the Times turns a good thing into a politically motivated stunt, with no evidence of such.

jgapinoy on June 15, 2008 at 9:36 AM

hmmm. I hope he has consulted the Supreme Court on this one. He might get in trouble if he has a body exhumed without a court order!!!!

Bfunky292 on June 15, 2008 at 9:39 AM

Harry Reid will pronounce this effort a failure within the hour.

jgapinoy on June 15, 2008 at 9:41 AM

Liberal rally cry:
“No (Osama) blood for oil hand-made rugs!

jgapinoy on June 15, 2008 at 9:45 AM

Shhhh. Don’t let Osama know the strategy.

Buy Danish on June 15, 2008 at 9:35 AM

You know what, BD? I don’t give a rat’s ass if he knows. I want them to flush him out, and for our guys to get him, and not the Brits. Nothing against the Brits, I love ‘em, but they won’t kill this maggot, and I want to see him burned alive.

Jaibones on June 15, 2008 at 9:47 AM

I guess we could build a small lake of fire, if that suits his silly Islamic rhetoric better.

Jaibones on June 15, 2008 at 9:49 AM

I’ll believe it when I see it.

SoulGlo on June 15, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Agreed. Often times when it comes to Pakistan I find myself wondering if they’re more of an obstacle than anything when it comes to catching big name terrorists.

Yakko77 on June 15, 2008 at 9:49 AM

I would much rather hear that the AG has ordered the arrest of certain individuals in Washington, District of Columbia, for actions that allowed, nay, invited, Osama to carry out the attacks. People who for several years worried more about nailing female campaign workers and interns than nailing Islamic murderers. People who couldn’t find any “actionable evidence” (to use a term popular with Madame Albright)to justify taking the Islamic murderers out, while attack after attack after attack was made on us. And who now have their boxers and briefs and panties in a wad because we are not giving the murderers held at Guantanimo a second opportunity to butcher us.

All would be forgiven by me if Bush went after the elected officials and their accomplises who aided and abetted the murderers.

JonRoss on June 15, 2008 at 9:54 AM

I can here you! I can here you! The rest of the world hears you! And the people — and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon!

Hear us coming?

faraway on June 15, 2008 at 10:01 AM

I can just imagine the reaction on this morning’s chat factory. Maddie (not so)bright and the rest of the idiots who claim the atrocities of 9/11/01 were conceived, planned, and executed in the 8 months after Clinton left office………

This is just Bush cleaning out the super secret jail before he has to turn over power to Democrats who will put him up on charges.

highhopes on June 15, 2008 at 10:02 AM

This is just Bush cleaning out the super secret jail before he has to turn over power to Democrats who will put him up on charges.

highhopes on June 15, 2008 at 10:02 AM

Obama has already said that some people could be brought up on war crimes charges. He didn’t elaborate and I don’t recall anyone asking him what he meant.

JonRoss on June 15, 2008 at 10:08 AM

Great. We have a court appointed and taxpayer provided lawyer and Federal judge waiting to greet him.

TheBigOldDog on June 15, 2008 at 10:10 AM

JonRoss at 9:54AM

A lot of people wanted that eight years ago, but Bush kept his promise of a “new tone” in DC, & investigated no one of the Clinton machine.

jgapinoy on June 15, 2008 at 10:15 AM

BTW, OT, Happy Father’s Day guys.

jgapinoy on June 15, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Doesn’t OBL now have more rights than me?

Do we have a gold-plated Koran to hand to him upon capture…oops! I mean upon being taken into custody and brought in for questioning?

profitsbeard on June 15, 2008 at 10:20 AM

Great. We have a court appointed and taxpayer provided lawyer and Federal judge waiting to greet him.

TheBigOldDog on June 15, 2008 at 10:10 AM

But you know…if Osama is “taken care of”, as he should be, there will not be anyone for a Federal judge to greet. That is the upside, I guess, of last weeks rape of the Constitution by 5 of the justices. Our military (of which my son is a proud member) will simply have to take care of the enemy combatants and/or terrorists. Good care. Never again should a terrorist be taken live into custody by the U.S.

JonRoss on June 15, 2008 at 10:24 AM

How sweet would that be? Spec. Ops. finds him and calls in an airstrike … it’s like Zarqawi x 1,000.

Tony737 on June 15, 2008 at 10:26 AM

Never again should a terrorist be taken live into custody by the U.S.

Not while McCain and the rest of the idiots who manufactured last week’s SCOTUS ruling hold power. Somebody should ask McCain about that this week- the proverbial “clock question” updated….

Senator McCain troops know where OBL is located they can easily take him out with precision guided munitions or they can launch a weeks-long operation that poses risk to hundreds of US combat forces- Do you launch the missle or is putting OBL on trial more important? The answer would probably give more insight into McCain’s true self than all the lies he has been spewing in light of the Terrorist Protection Act of 2008.

highhopes on June 15, 2008 at 10:32 AM

JonRoss at 9:54AM
A lot of people wanted that eight years ago, but Bush kept his promise of a “new tone” in DC, & investigated no one of the Clinton machine.

jgapinoy on June 15, 2008 at 10:15 AM

Agreed. Eight years ago I was really excited because I thought George would clean out the Clintonian cesspool. But he didn’t and it has come back to bite him and the country big time. That is why I wish he would do something big now, at least cuff Billy Jeff and Madame Notsobright. He may not be able to put them away but it would reduce a little the anger of people like me who feel like he acted the fool in trusting these criminals. I really hate getting pissed on a Sunday morning.

JonRoss on June 15, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Getting Osama is extremely important,symbolically of course,but he still is the face behind 9/11 and would be a another success to add to the liberation of Iraq,Afghanistan,and Libya giving up it’s WMD program.

To have Muslims fighting side by side with the West to wipe out extremist is a huge success for the American Soldier and the Bush Administration.

Killing Al Zarqawi the “Butcher of Baghdad” was probably one of the most important high profile kills in the WOT,and
we watched democrats down play the significance of that the
same way they will play down the significance of getting Osama.

The American Soldier and President Bush have accomplished
getting Shia,Sunni,and Kurd to come together in Iraq politically and stopping the vast majority of bloodshed by
Al-qaeda and the militias.
We have representative governments voted in power in Iraq/Afghanistan.
We have infrastructure being rebuilt,schools,hospitals,and
business’s being opened.
Is it perfect and ready for spring break vacations,no,but at least they are headed in the right direction instead of being ruled by murderous terrorist regimes.

All while democrats and their liberal base yelled for surrender and declared the war lost.

The American Soldier,President Bush,and the American People
deserve to see Osama confirmed dead to go along with the defeat of his al-qaeda in Iraq, the central front in the war on terror.

For the democrats that are hoping for a lot of “change”in Iraq if their hero Obama is elected,get ready for a big cup of “06 bullsh!t” that you ate up in putting your liberal heroes in the majority off promises to end the war and impeach Bush:

Iraqi FM: Obama Reassures Baghdad He Won’t Make Dramatic Changes In U.S, Policy In Iraq

http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/7948.htm
Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said that U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s campaign managers had reassured Baghdad that if Obama is elected he will not dramatically change Washington’s policy towards Iran and will take into account the opinions of the commanders in the field.

(I think the word “Iran” is supposed to be “Iraq” since the
headline concerns Iraq and we do not have commanders in the field in Iran).

This is just like the NAFTA game where Obama said one thing to get votes and sent “representatives”(or memo)to Canada to reassure that it was just politics.

Osama definitely needs to go down now or be confirmed dead
if he isn’t already,because Obama and his merry band of idiots will be to busy chasing poll numbers and giving speech’s to do anything substantial in the WOT.

Baxter Greene on June 15, 2008 at 10:33 AM

I hope our forces all have their SCOTUS-mandated Miranda rights cards* ready to read to bin Laden on his arrest. We wouldn’t want to violate his rights, after all.

*(In Arabic, of course, with a court-appointed translator ready to make sure he understands them.)

irishspy on June 15, 2008 at 10:38 AM

…..Do you launch the missle or is putting OBL on trial more important? The answer would probably give more insight into McCain’s true self than all the lies he has been spewing in light of the Terrorist Protection Act of 2008.

highhopes on June 15, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Yeap. The core question. And the answer should be simple with no caveats or crappola attached.

JonRoss on June 15, 2008 at 10:38 AM

I didn’t mean to put strikes through my comment. Highopes is absolutely correct.

[Fixed it for you -- Ed]

JonRoss on June 15, 2008 at 10:39 AM

But you know…if Osama is “taken care of”, as he should be, there will not be anyone for a Federal judge to greet. That is the upside, I guess, of last weeks rape of the Constitution by 5 of the justices. Our military (of which my son is a proud member) will simply have to take care of the enemy combatants and/or terrorists. Good care. Never again should a terrorist be taken live into custody by the U.S.

JonRoss on June 15, 2008 at 10:24 AM

We should start calling it the, “Take no prisoners decision.”

TheBigOldDog on June 15, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Ohhhh – so NOW they’re trying to find him.

I guess W really needs a win before leaving the White House in a pukey mess of fail.

Dave Rywall on June 15, 2008 at 10:52 AM

highhopes:

McCain did not manufacture that SCOTUS decision, he did not even support it. This is what makes some people just as silly about McCain as the BDSers are about Bush, they make stuff up to fee their hate.

I do not think anyone is going to bring Bush up on charges either.

Terrye on June 15, 2008 at 10:53 AM

Dave:

If the Democrat who had the White House before him had killed Osama bin Laden in any one of the half dozen chances he had to do it, there would not be any need to go after him now. In fact there might not have been an attack on the WTC on September 11 at all.

Terrye on June 15, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Osama is pushing daisies.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on June 15, 2008 at 11:00 AM

I have to admit I have read highhopes post a couple of times and I can not figure out what he is saying. I guess he is saying that McCain personally knows where Osama is and has personally stopped any attempt to get him.

The sad truth is Bush has had to take as much crap from the right as he has from the left and now they are pissy because the Supreme Court did not go their way. But then again, they see no reason to vote for McCain. No siree, might as well let Obama pick the next three judges. After all the fact that McCain voted for Alito and Roberts and even Bork is not an indication of where is loyalty lies. No, just like Bush who wanted to sell our ports to terrorists from Dubai so that they could kill us all, it is McCain who is the real enemy. blah blah blah.

Personally I think chances are Osama Bin Laden is already dead. And I think that the Supreme Court decision means that in the future a lot of these people are going to end up in a Turkish or Jordanian prison.

Terrye on June 15, 2008 at 11:02 AM

We should start calling it the, “Take no prisoners decision.”

TheBigOldDog on June 15, 2008 at 10:45 AM

True. But if the “5 Betrayers” wanted to do their job right they would have done what good legislators do.

The 5 Betrayers should have written instructions on how this new law should be administered. Special wording for the Miranda Rights that would be read to terrorists before our military fires the first bullet. We would want to be sure there are interpreters in the field for the English impaired. As our troops approach the enemy the interpreters will need to be out front conveying our intentions. Battlefield lawyers are a NECESSITY. Maybe the Donks can get some of their own to volunteer for the front lines, doing the moral thing in providing the terrorists all of the benefits of a free society.

JonRoss on June 15, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Hmmm. Osama could actually be indicted for crimes in the United States, and wrung through our court system. He would of course get the death penalty. However, how would Saudi Arabia feel about this? Would they allow us to convict one of their citizens to death? Or have they already revoked his citizenship?

I wonder, what passport does Osama have, anyway? Any?

Seixon on June 15, 2008 at 11:23 AM

I don’t even give a damn how it plays out politically. I just want him to be the one to finish the job.

Typhoon on June 15, 2008 at 9:14 AM

I agree Typhoon. I’m mighty afraid if W doesn’t get him .. no one will.

Texas Gal on June 15, 2008 at 11:25 AM

I hope so.

“I want Bush to get him. After all the unimaginable bilge and grief the man has taken for keeping us safe and taking the fight to our enemies I want him to be able to retire to Texas knowing Osama is rotting in the ground.

I don’t even give a damn how it plays out politically. I just want him to be the one to finish the job.

Typhoon on June 15, 2008 at 9:14 AM”

Right there with you…

LtE126 on June 15, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Kill the bastard…

I just wonder if such an event will be good for Michelle Obama’s children.

D2Boston on June 15, 2008 at 1:46 PM

remember Obama Osama in innocent until proven guilty, right now he is just a *person of interest*.

redrock on June 15, 2008 at 2:08 PM

And never forget the Excusocrat Wing cranking up:

If we kill Osama Bin Laden, we’re no different than he is.-

-Standard Moonbat OBL Motto #1b.

(Motto 1a is: “But, we created Bin Laden!“)

profitsbeard on June 15, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Has anyone thought of how making him a martyr would really rally the terror-troops worldwide and how intense the reaction would be?

ThePrez on June 15, 2008 at 2:32 PM

They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Special Ops seek him everywhere
If you should see him, please do give a yell!
That demmed elusive OBL
They seek him here, they seek him there
The Special Ops seek him everywhere
Oh, Binny, how the Special Ops do implore you
Simply to come out from some Mosque or from under your bed
With all your hiding
It’s a chore to smash your head!
They seek him here, they seek him there
The Special Ops seek him everywhere!
He gives the Special Ops nothing but frustration
Sink me! He’s a spoilsport
Each and every demmed capture
He cuts short
They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Special Ops seek him everywhere
Is he in Pakistani or even in Dearbornstani?
One thing we know for sure
Hes going to Hell!

Percy on June 15, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Musharraf still doesn’t believe that Bin Laden is in oPakistan. He continually says that ‘if you have information of his whereabouts, tell us and we will go get him’.

Musharraf has always been the ‘good cop’ in international relations with Pakistan. They play ‘good cp, bad cop’ so that they can get our money. Bin Laden got away from Tora Bora because we were ‘cooperating with Pakistan’. Pakistanis were paid off (by Bin Laden) to let him go. If the US had conducted that entire operation instead of relying on Musharraf and Pakistan, we’d have gotten Bin Laden the last time we had definitive information on him at Tora Bora.

We need to conduct our operations there regardless of what Pakistan wants. If we don’t engage their military, and their military isn’t in control of a region, then it isn’t Pakistani sovereignty – and we don’t need Musharraf nor Pakistan.

ThackerAgency on June 15, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Percy, you’re not an atheist.

I think ObL is with the virgins ants, since Dec. of 2002.

In the event that it’s not true, whatever they do, please, please, please DO NOT BRING HIM IN ALIVE.

Entelechy on June 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM

If that is the way the SCOTUS wants it, then kill ‘em all. Let God sort them out.

cjs1943 on June 15, 2008 at 7:33 PM

Might as well go snipe hunting.

Bush isn’t going to get a man that has been long dead…. Unless maybe he already has his DNA stashed somewhere and cloning science is much more advanced than we can imagine.

LegendHasIt on June 15, 2008 at 8:45 PM

This is what makes some people just as silly about McCain as the BDSers are about Bush, they make stuff up to fee their hate.

Terrye on June 15, 2008 at 10:53 AM

I’m assuming you meant “feed” their hate. Beyond that typo you are absolutely incorrect. McCain’s efforts on behalf of the detainees led to the SCOTUS ruling. He may be spewing dismay over the ruling but it is only because it went far further than his half-measure that essentially bashed the administration and called for greater rights for the detainees. He (and you) can’t dismiss the fact that McCain gave rights to terrorists this past week. In may not have been as intentional as his amnesty scheme but McCain is a terrorist enabler.

As to another post where you think I am claiming that McCain has special knowledge. You are off your nut. I was updating the hypothetical “clock question.” And pondering if a President McCain would use certain military force or would he risk troops to capture OBL alive so that a trial could occur. The answer to that question remains key as to how far MCain would go to coddle terrorists.

highhopes on June 15, 2008 at 9:04 PM

“If the Democrat who had the White House before him had killed Osama bin Laden in any one of the half dozen chances he had to do it, there would not be any need to go after him now. In fact there might not have been an attack on the WTC on September 11 at all.

Terrye on June 15, 2008 at 10:55 AM”

That is quite a clueless and misinformed observation but you’re more than entitled to believe yourself.

Dave Rywall on June 15, 2008 at 10:26 PM

Actually, I pretty much agree with Terrye on that, (which is an incredibly rare thing). Although I’d say that there were three excellent opportunities, rather than half a dozen.

Zawahiri might have been able to get it done without Osama… He is pretty much the only one in AQ that has any brains, but without Osama writing the checks an handling internal ‘morale’, it would have been a lot harder to do, and a lot more likely to fail.

‘Special projects’, are a lot easier to accomplish when the boss can just write a check for them, rather than having to send the laborers out on the street to beg for money.

LegendHasIt on June 16, 2008 at 12:01 AM

If it’s so important that Osama be found, then why are you yahoos not annoyed that it wasn’t a priority all along? Why is this new push seen as a great new idea when it’s obviously just a last-ditch effort to a) make Bush look like he gives a shit and b) a political ploy to make the Republicans look good as the election approaches? You all can’t possibly be that naive.

Some of you blame Clinton for not finding him pre-911 but give Bush a free pass for 7 years of failure. How retardedly partisan, immature – and predictable.

Hell, I’d do exactly the same thing too if I were him. It’s easy poll-building points to score on the stupid unwashed masses.

Dave Rywall on June 16, 2008 at 5:19 AM

Some of you blame Clinton for not finding him pre-911 but give Bush a free pass for 7 years of failure. How retardedly (emphasis mine) partisan, immature – and predictable.

The “R” word? How enlightened you sound when you go around calling people retards!

You miss the real point about Clinton’s involvement with the 9/11/01 atrocities. It isn’t that he was offered OBL and refused. Clinton is blamed for essentially ignoring terrorism for his entire era of bad stewardship. Instead of prosecuting the GWOT he and Janet Reno decided to prosecute each terrorist act as a stand-alone crime. He, Reno, Gorelick, and a host of other minions should have seen the pattern and done something about it- other than to blow up an empty factory.

GWB didn’t get a “7 year pass” on OBL it is just when you are engaged in military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, taking out the operation is more important than tracking down a single individual. An individual that could well have been taken care of during the Clinton years had terrorism been prosecuted with the zeal that Clinton prosecuted Microsoft and big tobacco.

highhopes on June 16, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Dave Rywall on June 16, 2008 at 5:19 AM

Bill… Did you sneak in and use Hillary’s computer without permission again?

LegendHasIt on June 16, 2008 at 3:17 PM

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