Gore Vidal blows the lid off McCain’s Vietnam captivity
posted at 3:30 pm on June 15, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Dark humor, dementia, or just a prominent leftist contrarian letting his prominent leftist contrarianism run away with him? Like Ace says, it’s bittersweet insofar as it instantly destroys the credibility of someone whose relevance already petered out long ago. As such, it’s politically useless, except to the extent some enterprising reporter wants to put one of his acolytes on the spot by asking if he/she agrees with it.
And what about Mr. McCain? Disaster. Who started this rumor that he was a war hero? Where does that come from, aside from himself? About his suffering in the prison war camp?
Everyone knows he was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam. That’s what he tells us.
Exit question: Help Vidal fill in the blanks. Where was Maverick and what he was up to during the “lost years”? My guess: Stoned constantly, shacked up on a ranch somewhere in the midwest with 10-20 other people, living off the land and trying to “find himself.”
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Buckley’s dead and Vidal is alive. Maybe you’re right about God, Allah.
mikeyboss on June 15, 2008 at 3:34 PM
There are a bunch of people on the left that refer to him as “song bird”. They claim he told the VC sensitive information and was never tortured.
muyoso on June 15, 2008 at 3:34 PM
For example.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm
muyoso on June 15, 2008 at 3:36 PM
I bet he’s referring to how the Vietnam POWs have repeatedly said they are not heroes. I think they are heroes for surviving that nightmarish captivity.
John McCain earns special consideration as a hero because the Communists offered him freedom before all the other men because his father was an admiral, and McCain turned it down, choosing to stay in captivity and face torture for several more years rather than receive special treatment and go home.
To me, John McCain personifies heroism.
indythinker on June 15, 2008 at 3:37 PM
Vidals is nuts . Really nuts.
Texyank on June 15, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Now listen, you queer. Stop doubting McCain’s service, or I’ll sock in your goddamned face and you’ll stay plastered.
MadisonConservative on June 15, 2008 at 3:38 PM
This destroys Vidal’s credibility?
Is that like destroying the tallest skyscraper in the Mojave Desert?
SteveMG on June 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM
hmm..definite dementia.
becki51758 on June 15, 2008 at 3:40 PM
McCain was tortured. He was kept isolated from the other prisoners most of the time. Here he is telling what happened.
indythinker on June 15, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Hahaha, I was just about to put that quote up…man, do I miss Buckley!
AUINSC on June 15, 2008 at 3:41 PM
No, absolutely not. This is Gore Vidal. Assume the worst.
He’s insinuating – because he’s a sick dyspeptic anti-semitic creep – that McCain has made up his tales of torture and abuse. That is, McCain talked, the NV did nothing and all of the stories are false.
Yep, Vidal’s one sick soul.
SteveMG on June 15, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Gore Vidal’s face just appeared in dictionaries beside the word imbecile (ĭm’bə-sĭl, -səl)n.
1. stupid or silly person; a dolt.
2. person whose mental acumen is well below par.
3. person of moderate to severe mental retardation having a mental age of from three to seven years and generally being capable of some degree of communication and performance of simple tasks under supervision. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
adj. also im·be·cil·ic (ĭm’bə-sĭl’ĭk)
moonsbreath on June 15, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Heh.
capitalist piglet on June 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM
I still love that video debate when Buckley told Vidal that he was going to plaster him in the face if he didn’t shut his trap. Priceless. I think Vidal is long over due.
Claypigeon on June 15, 2008 at 3:47 PM
muyoso,
That claim does not hold up to history, If the son of an active US Admiral cooperated in any real level it would have been a complete propaganda windfall for the Communists and wold have been on News coverage wall to wall. The Russians and the Chinese would have gloated for decades.
Egfrow on June 15, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Why is Vidal so important? Nobody cares about this idiot. Buckley was far superior in intellect and engaging the audience than Vidal would ever wish for himself. Maybe we should deport Vidal for several illegals who would love to be in the USA. Jerk.
jencab on June 15, 2008 at 3:47 PM
some people need to just get on with things and just c-r-o-a-k.
blatantblue on June 15, 2008 at 3:48 PM
That would be a waste of a good punch.
SteveMG on June 15, 2008 at 3:48 PM
muyoso, the lefties get that stuff from a small group of far-right conspiracy nutter con-men, and the website you linked to is one of theirs. Anything connected to Ted Sampley, Jerry Kiley, and John LeBoutillier is crap. It’s the far-right nuts who’ve been making this stuff up and spreading the rumors for years, and now the lefty nuts have seized upon it for their own use.
juliesa on June 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM
I’m not sure how Vidal found out, but I guess now it can be told! McCain was the CIA guy that gave Kerry the “Magic Hat”!
alacrityfitzhugh on June 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Yep, this crowd emerged from the controversy over the MIAs that some (including the above) believed were still alive in Vietnam after we left.
McCain headed an investigation into the matter and it was concluded that the reports of missing soldiers still alive were false.
The critics have accused McCain of falsifying the reports in order to open up relations with Vietnam. And that McCain is a sort of Manchurian Candidate type figure who was either brainwashed by the NV or openly went over to them. They have the dirt on him and he is doing their bidding.
SteveMG on June 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM
The Left was for War Heroes before they were against them!
This is all an attempt to knock McCain a TRUE War Hero down to a size they think Obama can beat. Ain’t going to work! Unlike Bush McCain has the witnesses the left was SCREAMING for in 04!
ordi on June 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Obama: But I was just 8 years old when that guy was in a POW camp. Plus I was worshipping in a mosque and studying Arabic.
faraway on June 15, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Gee, it would just be nice if Gore would go back to writing movies for Jerry Lewis.
jon1979 on June 15, 2008 at 4:04 PM
His first name is “Gore”. Stupid name. Stupid man.
SouthernGent on June 15, 2008 at 4:11 PM
From another eccentric, an unusual take. Click on the top picture to see the video.
Entelechy on June 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Admittedly, McCain’s service pales in comparison to some of the things Vidal has likely experienced in his prison camp – what he affectionately called “his bedroom.”
Gore Vidal is a pornographer. If Bob Guccione and Larry Flynt said McCain was a phony, would anyone pay attention? Then why waste time on this pseudo-novelist of poor taste?
emailnuevo on June 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Why, planning 9/11 with all his neocon buddies, of course.
its vintage duh on June 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Vidal is an ass.
GT on June 15, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Oooh, oooh, me, me.
OK, McCain was chilling with the NVA, having beers, and grilling hamburgers – made from the flesh of real American heroes.
Yeah. That’s what happened. Larry Johnson told me. Or conservative bloggers. Probably conservative bloggers. You know, because they did Dan Rather in. No wait, that was Rove. Bloggers hired by Rove. Yeah. Uh-huh.
Seixon on June 15, 2008 at 4:22 PM
NYT Headline: “Conservative blogs spreading rumor that McCain is lying about being POW”
BuzzCrutcher on June 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM
What makes you think that Sampley is a far-righter?
flenser on June 15, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Ssssssshhhh. Don’t give them ideas.
Seixon on June 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Sampley is backed by LeBoutillier, who’s a far-righter. Read his websites and see if you see much leftist content.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
juliesa on June 15, 2008 at 4:45 PM
I don’t hear the Obama camp saying what the McCain camp says.
Discussing the candidate is off limits. McCain is fair game.
Kini on June 15, 2008 at 4:47 PM
“We live in a dictatorship. We have a fascist government …which controls the media”
Ropera on June 15, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Somone needs to sock this guy in the G***amn mouth so he will stay plastered.
Squid Shark on June 15, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Ironically, it was people closer in affiliation to Gore Vidal that actually partied and socialized with the Vietnamese communists. People like Jane Fonda, etc….
indythinker on June 15, 2008 at 5:00 PM
hmmm….the government controls the media??
hahahaha He has been smoking too much weed..or crack..or something.
becki51758 on June 15, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Vidal is not particularly original in claiming McCain’s rather well-documented history of being a POW and war hero is false. I’ve already heard it from hard Lefty types in conversation. It appears that when lefties are confronted by facts which undermine their position, they simply lie to diminish them. If McCain is a war hero, they simply say he wasn’t, over and over again, louder and louder. Some people are swayed by such fierce conviction, figuring nobody on their side could be so dishonest. It’s Lenin’s dictum: A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
Tantor on June 15, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Kieth Olbermann and Chris Matthews have been saying the same thing . I know I work with an idiot who should be retired and certainly should be old enough to know better, that goes home early every day to listen to these two tools and I keep reminding him he and 250,000 other fools are listening to fiction and a couple of Bush Deranged Morons who still haven’t gotten over the fact that mayor Daley couldn’t steal the 2000 election.
Even that dumbass AL Gore knew he lost till Daley showed up. My co-worker seems to think I should be taxed into poverty to pay for the drugs and heath care that keep the fool alive and working when he should be retired and listening to these two all day long.
Why should I have to pay for medicine and heathcare that didn’t exist 10 years ago for someone who is 75 so they can hold a job forever.
Greatest generation my ass. The’ve got their hands out for whatever they can get for free and the younger generations can pay for it or be damned.
The real heros’ are in Iraq right now saving these tools asses from head chopping jihadis.
dhunter on June 15, 2008 at 5:08 PM
This is just f’in stupid. I am officially irritated now.
HawaiiLwyr on June 15, 2008 at 5:17 PM
I asked you to explain why you thought Sampley was a far righter, not to repeat your assertions. I’ve looked up Sampley. Not much left wing content. Not much right wing content either.
flenser on June 15, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Well,where was Maverick,during his stay at Hanio
Hilton, other than been beaten,tortured,and as a
good steward of the land(enviromentalist,haha),
he was picking up bambo splints to make a fellow
flyer’s arm,er re-flyable,by making a splint for
said broken arm of said flyer!
Well,lets take a walk on the wild side,a fantasy
interpretation of your typical Liberal infobabe!
In between France and Texas,our trip begins,McCain
was having many sorties of ten seconds over Toyko
with more show girls,and then came the wine!
The wine slowly become a problem,no not for McCain,
but for the French,they litterally where draining the
Winery’s high up on the hills,and as McCain party’d
much more hardy,then the lower hills where the French
Winery were located,where drained,and after this Maverick
ran ramshot over their distillerys,McCain bugged out!
Now our Liberal interpretation takes us to the Great State
of Texas,and where heading to that naughty place,no not the
Best Whorehouse in Texas,where Dolly Parton was Madame and
Burt Reynolds was John number one,h!ll no,where heading to
the infamous Mustang Ranch!
After weeks of Studding,get your minds out of the gutter,
this is Father’s Day,McCain was the driver for Big Brown,
that was the studding that was going on!
After two or three weeks of that,McCain drove Big Brown
back to Kentucky,and party’d away in Margaritaville,in his
stuper,Code Pink,repeled in commando form,from Ron Paul’s
up,up,and away in my beautiful blimp,and over North Vietnam,
McCain Halo’d done to rejoin his capture’s!*
And Liberals told this crock,happily everafter!hahaha!
*(canopfor regrets any similarities in characters,names
and places,and deeply regrets not squeezing in any
besmirchment of any Liberal’s!!!!) (SNARK!)haha :)
canopfor on June 15, 2008 at 5:40 PM
A classic moment in television.
Glynn on June 15, 2008 at 5:41 PM
“My guess: Stoned constantly, shacked up on a ranch somewhere in the midwest with 10-20 other people, living off the land and trying to “find himself.””
Naah, he snuck off to Oxford under a Rhodes Scholarship and imbibbed in the latest and greatest in Anti-American drivel; or maybe he threw his medals over the WH fence and testified about the “inherent evilness” of the American military to the US Congress.
No? That was someone else?
dmh0667 on June 15, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Liberals,please,take all the rope you can use,
and please,don’t put your foot in your mouths,
just keep talking!
What ever you Liberal’s do,just keep showing
your true colours,and trust me,its not Red,
White or Blue!
canopfor on June 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM
There are a bunch of people who posted that here on HotAir a few months back. They also claim he told the VC sensitive information and was never tortured.
AprilOrit on June 15, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Buckley is in heaven and vidal is a pathetic old butt pirate.
peacenprosperity on June 15, 2008 at 6:01 PM
You forgot, sold coke in college.
peacenprosperity on June 15, 2008 at 6:02 PM
I’m beginning to see the intelligence in Forest Gump’s logic of Stupid is as Stupid does.
If this is the definition of an intellectual, then define stupidity for me.
Maybe this is street lingo where something is Bad is actually Good?
Kini on June 15, 2008 at 6:05 PM
McCain was probably actually in Hollywood at least some of that time helping to film the faked moon landing. And then you know that blurry guy in the BigFoot costume? Well that was probably McCain too. An, of course then there was D.B. Cooper too. Need I say more?
MB4 on June 15, 2008 at 6:09 PM
what is it with people with the name *Gore* …first or last .
redrock on June 15, 2008 at 6:11 PM
Actually he probably never even saw any VC as the VC were in what was then RVN (South Vietnam). McCain was captured and held by the NVA (North Vietnam).
MB4 on June 15, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Flenser, I didn’t merely repeat my assertions; I gave you links so you could see for yourself. If you disagree with me with on what those sites show, that’s fine, but don’t accuse me of doing something I didn’t do.
And if you think someone like LeBoutillier is not on the right, then I guess we diverge quite a bit on our definitions.
juliesa on June 15, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Sampley is a loon. In fact I think he and Gore have a lot in common.
I found this link and it had some interesting information. The reason McCain and Sampley hate each other is that McCain thinks the man is something of a parasite, feeding off the misery of others:
In 1992 Sampley — now an official MIA family member through his marriage to the daughter of a man missing in Laos — finally organized a stunt that evolved into a national news story. He planned for a group of hecklers to disrupt President Bush’s scheduled speech before the annual- National League of Families assembly. League officials thought Sampley might try something at the convention and told the Secret Service not to let him gate- crash. As expected, Sampley tried to get in to see the president’s speech. When he refused to leave, Sampley was arrested and charged with trespassing.
But the hecklers were already in place. Even with Sampley absent, they performed as scheduled. When Bush began his talk, Sampley’s people drowned him out, yelling, and “No more lies!” Bush asked the protestors to please let him finish. They yelled even louder. The exchange continued until Bush lost Ws cool and shouted, “Shut up and sit down!”
The quote made national headlines. It was a triumphant moment for the activists, who used the episode to trumpet their claim that Bush had nothing but disrespect for the families. Sampley jumped to claim credit, threatening more such outbursts if the president did not order the immediate release of all government documents pertaining to MIAs.
But if Sampley and his followers were pleased by the exchange, the National League of Families was highly embarrassed, and also very uneasy. The group’s leaders were afraid that Bush would blame the entire organization for the disruption and that the episode might damage their relations with the government. The League took out newspaper ads apologizing to Bush.
While activists and family members were still abuzz over the confrontation, Sampley was already deep into his next project. It was his most scurrilous 2 to date, a sustained campaign to label Senator John McCain an undercover agent of the KGB.
Sampley, who years earlier had defended Bobby Garwood’s actions as motivated by the need to survive, now accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets.
To those who know McCain and are familiar with his behavior in captivity, the charge is ludicrous. McCain resisted his captors to such a degree that he was isolated in a special prison for troublemakers. He repeatedly refused special favors, including early release, and emerged as a spiritual and religious leader for other prisoners. Nonetheless, Sampley was persistent enough in his claims that the press in McCain’s home state of Arizona picked up on the KGB story.
Sampley’s antagonism toward McCain stems from the senator’s failure to live up to Sampley’s idea of how a former POW should embrace the MIA cause. In Sampley’s estimation, McCain’s personal experience should have caused him to champion the search for live POWs, the way it had Red McDaniel. Instead, McCain focused on the more neutral search for “truth,” as well as on the prosecution of charlatans who took money from MIA families.
When McCain took the position that the United States should establish diplomatic relations with Vietnam in return for cooperation on the MIA issue, Sampley was outraged. He believed the United States should not have any dealings with its former enemy. Anyone who said otherwise — specifically, John McCain — was a traitor.
Sampley launched a private war 3 on McCain. He searched into the senator’s background, digging up old school records, military reports, and the like. Among his finds was an obscure clipping from a Cuban newspaper dated 1970. The article contained high- lights of a Cuban psychiatrist’s interview with POW McCain.
The interview itself contains nothing startling. The young McCain boasts of his ability as a pilot, gives a message for his wife that he loves her and that she shouldn’t worry about him, and talks about his father and grandfather, both Navy admirals. He says he had hoped to become both a test pilot and an astronaut.
Several times during the interview, the interpreter has trouble translating from English. McCain, who had been to the Spanish naval academy, supplies the words in Spanish.
Two decades after the fact, Sampley seized on McCain’s use of Spanish as evidence that McCain had collaborated with the Cuban Communists. Sampley even called me at one point to promote his discovery as a news story. When I said there was no case, Sampley just laughed and changed the subject.
Sampley continued his research 4 and eventually unearthed a 1973 interview in U.S. News & World Report in which McCain recounts his capture in Vietnam. In that article, McCain talks of landing in the middle of a lake and of being bludgeoned and bayoneted by an angry mob (the story was well known by the time Sampley found the article; perhaps it was the inspiration for his Wetzel and Tucker stories). McCain also talks about being beaten, tortured, and on the verge of death before finally agreeing to talk to his captors.
Amazingly, Sampley said that McCain’s decision to talk to his guards meant McCain had Communist leanings.
Oh My God!!!! The man can speak some Spanish. Well that cinches it.
Terrye on June 15, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Gore Vidal should just stick to hair styling products and Hollywood Squares. LOL!
bloggless on June 15, 2008 at 6:21 PM
It is interesting how loons to the right of me and loons to the left of me meet and come up with almost identical slurs on McCain’s characters. Opposites attract I guess.
Terrye on June 15, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Headline says it all………
“Gore Vidal blows….”
Hell must be Vidal and Olberman locked in the same cell together. Well, throw in Al Gore too.
GarandFan on June 15, 2008 at 6:22 PM
I’m sure Vidal will find evidence that BHO was actually a freedom fighter during his lost years.
Un. Be. Liev. Able.
Mojave Mark on June 15, 2008 at 6:24 PM
julie:
flenser once told me that I was a typical leftist. So yes, my guess is your definition of what constitutes the right is probably different from flenser’s. In fact that would be the case with most people.
Terrye on June 15, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Gore Vidal might need one of those phych test you know he might be losing it? Senility? Does he take meds right now? Does he have a problem getting oxygen to his brain that can be caused by heart problems. If he hasn’t already he should get a physical exam to make sure he is in good physical and mental health.
Then how about we see more then a one page health report on the Smoker running for President.
Dr Evil on June 15, 2008 at 6:31 PM
Gore Vidal is 83 years old.
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/vidal.htm
Dr Evil on June 15, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Gore Vidal is one of those rare individuals who has made it a lifetime quest of sorts to not offer one single contribution to society except to say that what they have to say and think is their own contribution, regardless of empty that contribution may be. He is truly a legend in his own mind, a bloated bloviating windbag who thrilla and excites the self-proclaimed intellectual whose entire scope of the universe stretches from the end of their eyelashes to the tips of their upturned noses. Vidal has seen nothing but blight and misery his entire life, but for as long as he has taken up space in the breathable atmosphere, he has never offered one single solution to that same blight and misery, other than to wallow in it with a sense of glee and gay abandon. I pity whoever it may be who will one day have the responsibility of inscribing the epitaph on Vidal’s headstone. Maybe it is best to just leave it blank. That would truly be a fitting summation of what Gore Vidal has given to the world his entire life.
pilamaye on June 15, 2008 at 6:35 PM
He’s a typical white angry liberal.
Story in the We Pick You Click explains it all.
Kini on June 15, 2008 at 6:42 PM
Why? I want these people to not only live as long as possible but to keep on talking as well. It’s why I love freedom of speech so much. Your enemy’s right to look like a retard should not be infringed upon.
Darth Executor on June 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Oh? Which libtard did that? Or is that a rather large list?
dmh0667 on June 15, 2008 at 6:51 PM
terrye
Given that you were a life-long Democrat until 2000, I’m not sure why take exception to that remark. And your position on all the issues puts you squarely on the left. Let’s see you explain why you are not on the left.
juliesa
As I already told you, I followed your links and read Sampley’s opinions. Nutty, yes. But right wing? Can you kindly explain to me what part of his writing strikes you as “right wing”?
This is the third time I’ve had to ask you, which leads me to suspect that you don’t have an answer.
It’s your casual equating of Sampley to LeBoutillier which I’m questioning. I’m sure you already figured that out though. You might as well equate Rush to Sampley. Or is that what you had in mind?
flenser on June 15, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Well terrye, I’m sure that my definition of what constitutes the right is different from that of most liberal Democrats, which is what you are. If you want to pretend to be some conservative or moderate, you’ll have to find somebody who does not know you as well as I do.
flenser on June 15, 2008 at 6:54 PM
Whatever, it was implied and he was accused of telling sensitive info to our enemies while in captivity.
Anmd the commenters here were hardly Left Wing.
AprilOrit on June 15, 2008 at 7:13 PM
You don’t spend a lot of time at HA if you think that the commenters here are “hardly Left Wing”.
flenser on June 15, 2008 at 7:24 PM
Bush Derangment Syndrome, now carrying over to McCain
ToddonCapeCod on June 15, 2008 at 7:29 PM
Politically useless, yes. But the fact that he’s an outspoken atheist/idiot means it’s not a total loss.
John on June 15, 2008 at 7:31 PM
This idiot Gore is kin to the other idiot Gore. Somehow this does not surprise me.
carbon_footprint on June 15, 2008 at 7:36 PM
Someone needs to return Gore Vidal to his nursing home — he’s obviously suffering from dementia.
rbj on June 15, 2008 at 7:42 PM
The same tactic was employed against GHW Bush to try to downplay his record of service as a torpedo bomber pilot in World War II. Mr Bush’s plane had gone down and much later some accused him of having bailed out before his crew did. As this accusation was making the rounds, someone asked a retired admiral if the pilot of a stricken airplane was required to be the last man out. The Navy man put it this way: “If the pilot yells, ‘Bail out!’ and you say ‘What?’, you’ll be talking to yourself.”
jackmac on June 15, 2008 at 7:48 PM
flenser:
Yep, Me and Zell Miller were actually Democrats, only he still is. But then again, I don’t think that all Democrats are leftists, but I am sure you do.
And no, I am not a liberal Democrat. But if it makes you feel better to tell me what I am, go ahead.
Terrye on June 15, 2008 at 7:53 PM
I have no love for McVain, but how could anyone negate the hell he went through (and as was pointed out earlier he could have gotten a “break” from the VC but didn’t)?
Gore Vidal and anyone who questions McVain true heroic example of valor needs more than just a good pranging. I have a LOT of issues with McVain. This is not one of them.
Maybe if just ignore anyone named Gore they will just stop speaking?
Branch Rickey on June 15, 2008 at 7:53 PM
flenser thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is a liberal. That means that 95% of the people in the country are liberal Democrats. No wonder Obama is in the lead.
Terrye on June 15, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Hmmm, the particular one that evening making the remarks were regulars who are not Left leaning at all – is the point.
Dispute it all you want, but I am telling you what happened as it happened.
AprilOrit on June 15, 2008 at 7:55 PM
BTW, flenser I have been voting a straight Republican ticket for years now. I even voted for John Hostettler here in the 8th District in Indiana in 2006. He is something of a paleo, but I did my duty and pulled the R lever. Too bad that almost 70% of the people in the district voted for the Democrat. I guess that makes all of them liberals. Inspite of the fact that George Bush carried this district and this state. But hey, don’t complicate things, keep them simple. flenser conservative, people who disagree with flenser liberal.
Terrye on June 15, 2008 at 7:57 PM
From the exact moment I read that Tom Wolfe was pro-Bush and pro-Iraq I thought that he was only saying that to be contrarian and get a kick out off it. That was before I saw this video where his smug smile jumps out of the screen. I think he is insincere and just gets a kick out of winding up the New York literati. Of course by adopting this position out of frisson he has probably come to believe in sincerely.
aengus on June 15, 2008 at 8:00 PM
He is suffering from dementia.
You see, he’s confusing McCain with John Friggin Kerry.
Zorro on June 15, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Cambodia,
It’s seared – seared into my memory.
franksalterego on June 15, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Vidal is a flaming ass idiot that wouldn’t make a pimple on McCain’s backside. Oh what I’d give for 15 minuets alone with that puddle of dog puke.
rplat on June 15, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Buckley didn’t call him a ‘queer’ in the ‘68 debates
He called Vidal a ‘pink queer’
un mot juste,,,,,,,,
Janos Hunyadi on June 15, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Warning,
Never fail to underestimate the lefty brain.
They’ll prove you wrong, every time.
franksalterego on June 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM
I think that may call for a full body condom….
AprilOrit on June 15, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Well terrye, we go back a ways. And I know for a stone cold fact that you are a liberal. So you might want to focus your remarks on you, and not on “anyone”. I’m pointing out that you are a liberal, not this “anyone”.
I’m just commenting on what’s happening here. A story goes up about Gore Vidal saying something stupid. And sure as the sun rises in the east, the usual suspects show up here to have their usual petulant hissy fit about the “far right wing”.
It’s BECAUSE you people are lefties that you behave this way. All your life your default thinking has been “far right wing” equals “the bad guys”. And even though you suddenly find yourselves rubbing shouldiers with that same “far right”, you can’t break free of the habits of a lifetime.
I said, since 2000. If I recall your age correctly, that means you voted Dem for about forty years. As I say, your old habits die hard. You spent that forty years scaring yourself to death with the “far rightwing” boogy man, and you still default to that mode of thinking, even when supposedly commenting on Gore Vidal.
flenser on June 15, 2008 at 9:12 PM
aengus on June 15, 2008 at 8:00 PM
He’s always smug. I can’t get into his soul. Was more interested on his take about the life-span of the U.S.A. Who’s to know?
Good evening Janos.
Made me smile.
Entelechy on June 15, 2008 at 9:16 PM
How very sad and unsatisfying it must be to be a liberal.
EJDolbow on June 15, 2008 at 9:24 PM
I think it was Ronald Reagan who said that every generation was obliged to defend freedom (I paraphrase, he phrased it much better than that).
I first began to become conservative-minded after reading something Reagan said. What a great, great man.
aengus on June 15, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Are we still talking about flenser or are we back to Gore Vidal?
Squid Shark on June 15, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Bad is actually Good?
Kini on June 15,2008 at 6:05PM.
Kini: I like where you are going,the liberal logic,
–Liberals no lie,they interpret–even the Bible!
–Liberals are not Liberals,their New Liberals or
as they say on CNN,Liberal Republican’s! haha :)
canopfor on June 15, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Thanks, terrye, for your astute comments. I’m back from taking my husband out for Father’s Day.
Flenser, all of Sampley’s collaborators that are former legislators are conservative Republicans (Bob Smith, Leboutillier, Paul Weyrich, et al.).
I have voted Republican in every presidential election since 1976, despite the fact that, like most Texans who grew up in the one-party Democrat state TX used to be, we were conservative Democrats.
The only reason I mentioned that the Sampley crew are from the right is because I’m a firm believer that every group should take out its own trash and marginalize its own nuts and fabulists.
In the last several years I’ve watched with mouth agape as the crazies in the Dem party have gained more influence, but I thought all our nuts were pretty much underground. Then these wackos came back out from under the rock for the current election, and their rumormongering is being used by the left. It’s scummy regardless of which side is engaging in it.
juliesa on June 15, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Amen, jules, I dont think that we have been that good at getting certain nuts out.
The left is REALLY bad at it, but it does not excuse us for not taking out our own trash.
Squid Shark on June 15, 2008 at 9:33 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
AprilOrit on June 15, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Oh, if you try here you will be accused of being a Liberal…the common, boring, uninsightful, unorignal easy-way-out and so very typical accusation.
So very tired….and common.
AprilOrit on June 15, 2008 at 9:37 PM
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