Big funny: Whoopi jokes that Clarence Thomas isn’t really black
posted at 10:08 pm on June 15, 2008 by Allahpundit
From tonight’s Tony monologue, introducing Laurence Fishburne in “Thurgood,” a timely reminder per yesterday’s AP story about black conservatives that ideology, not race, remains the sine qua non of authentic blackness. Obama wears the Democratic halo and thus doesn’t have to worry too much about having his own bona fides questioned, but woe is him if he betrays the left by trying to govern in that post-partisan way we keep hearing about (but not seeing much of).
The audience duly hoots and applauds, natch.
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So, Clarence Thomas really isn’t black? Yet Senator Obama is authentically black, even though, in reality, he’s only half black (his mother was white). Curious.
And I’m a racist for disagreeing with him on anything. Can I just say that I’m disagreeing with the half of Obama that comes from his mother?
Pope Linus on June 15, 2008 at 10:15 PM
I turned this crap off as soon as I hit CBS, what has happened to America?
AMartinez on June 15, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Clarence Thomas is a positive role model for the black community. Too bad the same can’t be said for Whoopi Goldberg.
SoulGlo on June 15, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Bullseye. It’s the NAALCP.
misterpeasea on June 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM
That’s not the Whoopi I knew…
AUINSC on June 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM
so if i embrace socialism and become a democrat, i will be a true black? sweet i gotz street cred, dog.
custer on June 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM
I’ve been too busy watching Tiger Woods make history this afternoon and evening. I’d rather get kicked in the nards by Tom Dempsey on a cold morning than watch her.
Weight of Glory on June 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Why is the Southeastern New York State Regional Theater awards show broadcast nationally?
radjah shelduck on June 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Whew. Good thing no one watches the Tonys.
Slublog on June 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM
What a hottie in that Darth Vader outfit!
Ted Danson must be having regrets.
fogw on June 15, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Whoopie has had too much whoopie maybe…sort of lost her track on reality.
Whatever, racism is alive and well in this country, but not among the people suspected of it. Mostly, the people who project their identity needs onto others.
Ellen Degenerate was fine until she had to rub her sexual preferences in everyone’s nose. She thought her preference was more important than making light of life. Sorry, buttercup.
So it is with Whoopi and similar weak intellects who need race as means to get what they want. A C. Thomas is a disaster for many blacks, not a mentor. They have nothing other than their race to justify themselves, and the abysmal failure they represent unless you think in terms of “civil activist” or “race relations expert”. A truly color-blind society doesn’t need such people, but they need a job, money…that makes color-blindness a threat, not a goal.
Harry Schell on June 15, 2008 at 10:24 PM
I was channel surfing and caught it as Whoopi said it!
Tried to play it legit as if she “forgot” about Judge Thomas.
BS! She threw a couple of quick winks and went for the cheap and easy laugh. What An A-hole!
Teddy on June 15, 2008 at 10:26 PM
I’m importing the other thread from the headlines so it doesn’t get lost in the shuffle.
Alarming News: Then and now: J.C. Watts on black conservatives
Connie on June 15, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Apparently you can’t be authentically black unless you unconditionally vote for Democrats.
amerpundit on June 15, 2008 at 10:26 PM
And we can place gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity into the equation.
E.g., “You’re not a authentic “X” if you don’t support positions A through Z.”
X = women, gay person, Hispanic, Muslim, et cetera.
This is a very pernicious worldview because those that don’t strictly adhere to the ideology become, in effect, non-persons. One can then say anything about them; defame them, ridicule them, libel them, slander them.
E.g., see above.
SteveMG on June 15, 2008 at 10:28 PM
You would certainly think so. Do conservatives define success differently than liberal Democrats? And if so, what is that difference?
Connie on June 15, 2008 at 10:29 PM
I guess, to be authentically “black,” you have to hate the United States that is, and only love the United States that might be someday, but never was. You have to be someone like Barack or Michelle Obama–ungrateful at all times. Not someone like Clarence Thomas, who has a true love for America–loves America with all its imperfections. He loves America because he’s a conservative, and conservatives don’t believe in utopia. That’s why they can be happy here, now. That’s why they can be grateful for the good and don’t wait around grumbling, for the perfect.
RBMN on June 15, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Now that’s funny!
Glynn on June 15, 2008 at 10:32 PM
What would a show biz creature like Whoopi Goldberg know about authenticity? Judge Thomas is a hero. I’m afraid to claim him as my hero, since I haven’t read his book from a few years ago. Look, if you’ve ever had a crowd against you, and I don’t mean a show biz crowd, you know what I mean.
One has noticed that both Obamas, Barack and Michelle, have some issues regarding authenticity. It’s a theme in their lives, the questioning of it. Along comes Whoopi with the gliberal answers to justify the hodge-podge of the moment.
ForNow on June 15, 2008 at 10:33 PM
PPPP HAAAAAAAAAhahahaha…funniest thing ive seen all day!
surrounded on June 15, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Who is this old woman and why is she on television?
(Being sarcastic, but seriously, why is she still getting work?)
Grayson on June 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM
So, Clarence Thomas isn’t really black..
That’s okay.. Whoopi isn’t really that funny..
DaveC on June 15, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Justice Thomas is a role model for the community at large, not just the black community.
surrounded on June 15, 2008 at 10:37 PM
So Clarence Thomas isn’t really black.
That’s OK. I never thought Whoopi Goldberg was ever funny.
pilamaye on June 15, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Clarence Thomas is a positive role model for all Americans of any race.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on June 15, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Beat me, surrounded.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on June 15, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Whoop-dee-do, I’m sure the Supreme Court Justice is losing sleep over what the B-list celebrity said.
trubble on June 15, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Exactly.
Connie on June 15, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Oh my freaggin ears,Whoopi should be a tad careful,
Ted Danson and her did that Al Jolsen act,Ted in a
blacked out face amounted to a nuclear meltdown,and
they tried for days to explain that act away!
Then,Clarence Thomas,was being grilled,on a suspected
piece of dna on a can of coke,and Anita Hill was doing
her best to doom Clarence’s chance at becoming the first
Black Supreme Court Judge!
But wait a tick,what did Liberals call Judge Thomas,
uncle what?,and now Liberal’s are so proud to have Obama
as the first Black nominee for President!
So,why does the Left have such an axe to grind with African
American’s on the right,if the Liberal Party wants the best
for African Americans period?
How perplexing,isn’t it!———————————:)
canopfor on June 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Preaching to the choir. The “Tonys”? Ugh, imagine the self-obsessed libs in that audience.
Bishop on June 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Let’s see… he made something of himself depsite starting with nearly nothing. I guess being black and becoming a success as an American (outside of the entertainment/sportsworld) automatically makes you ‘not black’?
Whoopdie doo… I can’t wait to see the hate-filled vitriol she spits out once she gets into her 70s or 80s. Hell hath no fury like an old woman with a chip on her shoulder.
cannonball on June 15, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Thanks Connie. Just more of that “reaching out” going on, I guess.
Seriously, am so thoroughly and unutterably sick of these people dissing and dismissing a wonderful man who’s a hero to so many (including me).
Justice Thomas’ My Grandfather’s Son is a fantastic book, and through its recounting of Justice Thomas’ life through his own eyes, it demonstrates among other things how personal responsibility and hard work, coupled with an absolute refusal to see oneself as a victim, can overcome grinding poverty, lack of at-the-ready opportunity, and racism from many sources, and take one to a life of success, even to the highest reaches of government in the land. An utterly inspiring story, and an example from which perpetual grievance-mongers regrettably can never profit.
inviolet on June 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
didn’t she show up at some political dinner with Ted Danson in Black face at her side?
just looked it up .. Here it is..
DaveC on June 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
+1
inviolet on June 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM
jinx
DaveC on June 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Wow, what a gutsy thing to saw in front of that crowd.
Whoopie you are a true profile in courage.
jjshaka on June 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Well…
Rev. Wright… He calls Justice Thomas “Clarence Colon”: and Sec. Rice as “Condamnesia.”..
Or Possibly that could have been what has Colon Powell so confused..
Maybe he doesn’t want to lose his skin color..?
Maybe Rev. Wright was talking about Clearence Thomas, Colon Powell and Condi Rice?
http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/our_new_nixon/
Chakra Hammer on June 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM
I meant “say”- sorry I’m on my 4th Makers Mark.
jjshaka on June 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Thomas isn’t Black, but Obama–son of a White woman–is.
Just like W being derisively called “Junior” when he was running against Gore, who really is a Junior but never was called that.
jgapinoy on June 15, 2008 at 10:54 PM
didn’t she show up at some political dinner.
DaveC on June 15,2008 at 10:49PM.
DaveC: Bingo,that’s the one,and this episode went on
for a few weeks,the more they tried to explain
their motives,the worse it got!
It really blew up in Ted and Whoope’s face
big time,thanks for the link!———–:)
canopfor on June 15, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Soo…… who watches the ‘Tony’s’ anymore?
DaveC on June 15, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Justice Thomas. I really don’t think it matters to him what color he is.
The big Whoop on the other hand has to
be black to get a laugh. . . . from a few people. Fewer
than she deserves.
Texyank on June 15, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Who ever did?
surrounded on June 15, 2008 at 11:02 PM
And again,get the Liberal Greatest Hits,on You Tube,
hypocrisy on parade!
Show how Liberals treat,African American’s,on the right
and Left,so the voting African American’s can see the
true colours so to speak of the Democratic Party!
Shining the light of truth during these election months!
I’m assuming the RNC has a strategy this election?I hope!
canopfor on June 15, 2008 at 11:03 PM
I don’t care what color Justice Thomas is he’s smart thats all that matters.
Chakra Hammer on June 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM
I met Clarence Thomas about a year and half ago (at a Nebraska football recruiting dinner!). I had goosebumps. He is that great.
gmbdds on June 15, 2008 at 11:08 PM
I remember all this when word of Colin Powell running for Prez came up (years ago).
Many blacks said they wouldn’t vote for him because he “wasn’t one of their own” meaning he wasn’t a liberal (which we all know he actually is now).
So let me see if I understand this – liberal blacks will not vote for a conservative Republican. But conservative republicans will vote for a liberal black candidate.
I don’t get it.
matd on June 15, 2008 at 11:08 PM
dude, remember that time time that Goldberg was really funny at that… er, uuummm. Yeah can’t remember either.
She’s the human result of a shart.
Claypigeon on June 15, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Buy some eyebrows, Martian.
Rhinoboy on June 15, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Fixed it
Chakra Hammer on June 15, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Whoopi is one of those so called comedians that are woefully trying to be funny. I’m sure there’s a joke in there somewhere, but I’ve never found her funny in either her stand up routine or movies.
She is very annoying and mostly a bad tart.
Kini on June 15, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Fixed better
Chakra Hammer on June 15, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Nope he’s black. Just like almost all of other black Americans he has some white ancestry.
baldilocks on June 15, 2008 at 11:23 PM
So my cousin’s kid is ALL BLACK TOO?
he’s being raised by 2 white parents..
He’s 1/2 White and 1/2 Black.. does that make him ALL BLACK?
Chakra Hammer on June 15, 2008 at 11:30 PM
It’s not just the persons politics, or curb appeal?
Kini on June 15, 2008 at 11:31 PM
He has some of the same blood running though his veins that i do.. from my Grandfather and Grandmother, he MOST certainly can’t be all black..
Chakra Hammer on June 15, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Then maybe Black Americans need to give up in their “inherent racism” by making multi-cultural people shun 1/2 of their roots, or taught to hate 1/2 of their blood, that can’t be good..
Chakra Hammer on June 15, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Hmmm. :::looks at my comment:::
Nope. The word ‘all’ is nowhere in my comment. So it must be in your head.
And be so kind as to refrain from using all caps. Thanks.
baldilocks on June 15, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Sort of like how Obama has to go to Trinity United Church as sort of a hazing ritual to cleanse himself of his white blood.. (thats basically, that it was.. him having to rejecting his whiteness.. to gain credibility and to be accepted in the “inner city black community” or else fear this type of thing.. that we see on this thread)
Chakra Hammer on June 15, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Rev. Wright also said stuff about Tiger Woods.
Chakra Hammer on June 15, 2008 at 11:44 PM
my theory on that is she started out funny (at least to some groups) had a few movies.. got her reputation as ‘Whoopie’.. and carried her so far ( Star Trek; TNG) in doing so, she gained her “Entourage” of hanger onners and sycophants that tell her she is funny with every joke she does.. because she is ‘Whoopie’ and you don’t say that’s not funny to whoopie..
people will watch her ( the ‘entertainment tonight’ types ) and laugh at her feeble jokes because she’s ‘whoopie’ and she’s funny..(right?) when if it was an unknown comic (not THE Unknown Comic with the paper bag over his head) the joke would be a chortle or a snort or an uncomfortable laugh..
the Political Correctness factor is definetly that she is a
black woman who is very liberal.. she will get work that way.. why she is on ‘The View’.. not that I watch it.. really.
kind of this same thing I think to Martin Short.. funny at one time,. now.. ehh.. not so much.
DaveC on June 15, 2008 at 11:45 PM
I saw this when it was broadcast, and was so distracted by wondering what in the world she was wearing, I didn’t ‘get’ the joke at first.
Then I thought I must not have understood it when the audience laughed so hard. Lame joke. Easy crowd.
alice on June 15, 2008 at 11:45 PM
you passed the gay test..
DaveC on June 15, 2008 at 11:46 PM
If almost all black Americans have some white ancestry and Obama has some white ancestry then he’s black if he wants to be.
Unless we’re going to do one of two things, Americans who have some close African ancestry are called black. This is not a new concept.
The two things are:
1) Set a standard as to how much African ancestry one must have before being able to call himself/herself black; then using DNA info, start measuring the amount of African ancestry in each person, or
2) Do away with racial categorization all together.
Since number one is ghastly and offensive and number two is probably a long way off, I’d say that people should call themselves what they want.
baldilocks on June 15, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Like Ellen Degenerate also, but I can’t remember when.
Whoopi did cheapen ST:NG with that pizza hat get-up and whimsical bartender `tude
Kini on June 15, 2008 at 11:50 PM
I’d say he’s Tan..
this guy is probably “black” and is awesome.. :}
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=4243
Chakra Hammer on June 15, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Just because Obama’s got identity issues doesn’t mean that all black people do.
My mother has lighter skin that Obama. (One could make the case that my maternal grandmother was white since she had only one black grandparent) and my maternal grandfather was along the lines of Michael Steele–that is, black but not one hundred percent of African ancestry.
So if my mother calls herself black is she rejecting her whiteness?
Is it only “rejecting whiteness” if you look more white than black?
baldilocks on June 15, 2008 at 11:56 PM
I choose number two as the most desirable to judge one’s content of character. [to coin a phrase]
However, I agree with you that it’s a long way off. Especially when government steps in and muddies the water up, even more.
Kini on June 15, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Clarence Thomas is an American.
JonRoss on June 15, 2008 at 11:57 PM
This thread just got weird. I’m outta here.
Rhinoboy on June 15, 2008 at 11:59 PM
As much as I despise the hypocrisy of Clarence Thomas, this wasn’t particularly funny. And it will only lend some (but still not much) credence to his next rant about “elites” trying to control his thoughts.
crr6 on June 16, 2008 at 12:01 AM
It has become bizzaro world…left is right, up is down, wrong is right(pun intended)
Just think about the names of the leftist organizations! The sorry part is that the normal 2.5 kids voter doesn’t know any better…sad but true (I have to
educateeducate my sis a BIL about whats going on this country. They are the ‘normal’ ppl I am talking about, and it is worse with the youth!lsutiger on June 16, 2008 at 12:01 AM
correction: educate – correct
lsutiger on June 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM
And who really gives a crap what Whoopi Goldcrap thinks ? A hundered years from now no one will know who the hell she ever was. Clarence Thomas will be in the pantheon of American history.
JonRoss on June 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM
I bet when he (Justice Thomas) was growing up in Savannah, GA during segregation nobody questioned it.
darclon on June 16, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Huh??? What hypocrisy of Clarence Thomas?
Kini on June 16, 2008 at 12:04 AM
There’s no race called “tan.”
Look I see where you’re coming from and it would be nice if we could say *poof* and racial delineation would magically and all at once disappear.
What is nice is that, one by one, people with DNA from several continents are beginning to repudiate that delineation.
My point is that when Americans of African descent call themselves black, it has nothing to do with white people (most of the time). And unless you see a black American who is coal black, he/she probably has some white ancestry–obviously including me.
So when I call myself black, am I repudiating my whiteness? :-P
baldilocks on June 16, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Hypocrisy? you mean that he’s conservative?
wtf?
DaveC on June 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Ask her..
I wouldn’t know..
Why does she feel the need to identify one way or the other?
Maybe a new classification need to be made.. so people do not have to choose?
“multi-cultural” or whatever.. and not feel ashamed about it.
hell, i’m a small percent American Indian.. I don’t shun my Indian roots(just don’t much about them since they were so far back..)
Chakra Hammer on June 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Ha Ha. Certain folks always get weirded out when I try to explain this color thing that black Americans have taken for granted for a few hundred years.
baldilocks on June 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Don’t let it get to you. Liberals don’t have to be logical, they only have to feel logical.
jgapinoy on June 16, 2008 at 12:08 AM
My wife and I think Ellen is funny.. not laugh out loud but a small chuckle here, a smile there..
DaveC on June 16, 2008 at 12:09 AM
I’m asking you since you whe the one that brought the subject up and started all-caps with me when I tried to give you information that you don’t possess already. I’m trying to get you to think.
My mother didn’t make up the rules.
baldilocks on June 16, 2008 at 12:09 AM
whe=where
baldilocks on June 16, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Do you not know the history of racial classification and identification in this country?
baldilocks on June 16, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Does that mean im gay or…huh?
surrounded on June 16, 2008 at 12:12 AM
actually it was a lame juvenile joke..
DaveC on June 16, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Black, White, Yellow, Red… Why do we still focus on these things? We are all Americans. We have our history and ancestry, but I am in no way a hyphenated American. That hyphen might as well be a dividing symbol.
James on June 16, 2008 at 12:15 AM
Well if she knows the rules then i can tell my “cousin”, actually my 2nd cousin’s kid.
I can let him know if he’s black or white.. or whatever..
ehhh.. he’s only like 6 years old.. so maybe he doesn’t care..
Chakra Hammer on June 16, 2008 at 12:21 AM
isn’t skin color a genetic marker the same way eye color and hair color is?
So.. it’s not really race then..
only asking..
DaveC on June 16, 2008 at 12:22 AM
OMG.. look at the Ultimate Identity Politics that the Democrats are playing now..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulatto
Obama is just like me..!!!!!! Oh.. now i can identify with him!
Everyone can identify him him!..
Chakra Hammer on June 16, 2008 at 12:27 AM
kind of an odd thing.. obviously…
Chakra Hammer on June 16, 2008 at 12:30 AM
So.. how what would you call an eastern Indian (dot, not feather)? many of them are pretty dark skinned.. I have heard it once ( On the Opie and Antony show) that they are black man skin with white man’s hair..
DaveC on June 16, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Damn the census! Blame it on the census!
Chakra Hammer on June 16, 2008 at 12:32 AM
It’s not about what I would call an Indian.
baldilocks on June 16, 2008 at 12:33 AM
some from Cambodia are dark as well.
Chakra Hammer on June 16, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Who are you calling a Democrat
Then there’s no such thing as black Americans. Thanks for solving that problem.
baldilocks on June 16, 2008 at 12:35 AM
What do you call a kid that has white, mexican and black?
The mom is 1/2 Black and white
the dad is 1/2 Mexican 1/2 white
===
What is the kid? “Hispanic” or “black” or “Black-Hispanic”?
Chakra Hammer on June 16, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Chakra Hammer, are you one of those people who calls anyone who doesn’t agree with you a ‘Democrat?’ Because if you are, I won’t bother anymore. I made my conservative Internet bones and don’t need your stamp of approval.
baldilocks on June 16, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Why do you folks keep asking me what I would call a given mixture of DNA?
What part of history of racial categorization and identification in the USA are you not getting?
baldilocks on June 16, 2008 at 12:41 AM
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