Think that the Florida issue is over?
posted at 9:47 am on June 13, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Well, think again. The Barack Obama campaign replaced some of the delegates with their own supporters, and they didn’t do it politely. Obama’s finance chair, Kirk Wagar, sent obscenity-filled e-mails attacking fellow Democrats and their sitting Senator, Bill Nelson, over attempted changes to the delegate appointments:
So much for party unity: As Florida Dems prepare for Saturday’s Jefferson-Jackson dinner aimed at bringing the party “together once and for all,” a spat over the Obama campaign’s decision to replace some already-designated Florida delegates with Obama backers has intensified.
And how. DNC member Jon Ausman late Thursday e-mailed Dems (and reporters) choice sections of what he says were e-mails from Obama’s Florida finance chair Kirk Wagar — in which Wagar curses Ausman out and criticizes Sen. Bill Nelson and party director Leonard Joseph.
The highlights: “You (Jon Ausman) f&^%ed us. We are dealing with it. You need to accept the fact that you f*&^ed us.”
And of Nelson: “I am getting very sick of (Senator) Nelson making a bad situation worse.”
Why does the Obama campaign need to replace already-selected Florida delegates? The DNC made the decision to accept Florida’s voting results. The Michigan delegation got changed, but that shouldn’t have affected the Florida delegates at all. Did the Obama campaign decide to overrule the DNC and the Rules committee?
Regardless of the specifics of that situation, clearly the Obama campaign has a maturity issue. This isn’t a low-level flunky, but the man in charge of their fundraising in a key battleground state. Wagar apparently can’t handle himself in a professional manner when dealing with his fellow Democrats. What does that say about Team Obama and its ability to morph into a governing team and its pledge to bring a different tone to Washington?
Obama’s campaign seems riddled with poor selections and questionable activity. At some point, even the Democrats have to wonder what they’ve unleashed. In Florida, they may have found out.
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Think_b4_speaking on June 13, 2008 at 9:49 AM
Chicago and Illinois style politics.
BobK on June 13, 2008 at 9:53 AM
It pisses me off to no end. This is MY state, the state I grew up in and the state I love.
I hate it when we look like a bunch of backwoods idiot who cant even vote right.
Squid Shark on June 13, 2008 at 9:53 AM
In November, Florida won’t be much of a problem as it used to be.
I’m sure John Muhammad McCain will concede before any recount.
And how can it be a recount when the margin will be 5 to 1 for Hussein?
Indy Conservative on June 13, 2008 at 9:53 AM
Like the Japanese soldiers abandoned on those Pacific islands & discovered years later, they don’t know that the war is over & Hillary surrendered.
jgapinoy on June 13, 2008 at 9:54 AM
I love it when supposed Conservatives sound like DUers and Kos Kids.
Squid Shark on June 13, 2008 at 9:55 AM
It doesn’t matter what the story is, you already have your script.
jgapinoy on June 13, 2008 at 9:55 AM
jgap,
Florida is going to go big for McCain, I anticipate an immediate projection, followed by a retraction. :)
Squid Shark on June 13, 2008 at 9:56 AM
Well, he typifies liberals. They think and act like children. They are led by emotion and are devoid of temperence and logic.
I am honestly surprised any time a liberal does act in a mature manner.
Grafted on June 13, 2008 at 9:57 AM
Operation Chaos the Sequel
redrock on June 13, 2008 at 9:59 AM
Can Obama get McCain knocked off the ballot?
Are McCain’s divorce records available?
Team Obama has never played nice.
And I’m sure Wagar is a volunteer.
MayBee on June 13, 2008 at 10:00 AM
I love it when people misjudge others.
Indy Conservative on June 13, 2008 at 10:01 AM
“You f&^%ed us. We are dealing with it. You need to accept the fact that you f*&^ed us.”
What a coincidence, that’s exactly what I keep saying to McCain supporters!
Seriously though, I don’t care how angry you are- in politics you never put stuff like this in electronic form.
highhopes on June 13, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Florida will go big for McCain because the economy depends on old farts. But I’m not sure John Muhammad McCain can make it to the first debate unless he wears a pacemaker.
Of course, this is all sarcasm.
Maybe not. Except for the “go big for McCain.”
Indy Conservative on June 13, 2008 at 10:04 AM
“you f*&^ed us”
If Obama is elected, he’ll return the favor I’m sure, universally.
RBMN on June 13, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Hell hath no vengeance than that of a liberal scorned by another liberal.
singlemalt_18 on June 13, 2008 at 10:04 AM
It doesn’t take a wild imagination to read reality.
Indy Conservative on June 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Fun.
It’s good fun!
drjohn on June 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Now why would a DNC guy criticize a Democrat Senator? Doesn’t he realize that Nelson, as a big-state Senator, has a lot more access to the media than Wagar does?
If the Obama campaign continues to get Democrat bigwigs (including Senators) PO’d, we might see Hillary Clinton pull an Al Gore and unconcede…
Steve Z on June 13, 2008 at 10:07 AM
Democrats never break rules, they just make new ones to suit their purposes.
fogw on June 13, 2008 at 10:07 AM
It certainly seems that way. It almost seems like blood will flow at times between the Dems to which I say, “good”.
Yakko77 on June 13, 2008 at 10:12 AM
From the headline, I thought you were referring to Florida 2000. The Democrats are still pulling their hair out over that one. :)
irishspy on June 13, 2008 at 10:14 AM
I’m on to your game. You just pretend to be stupid for the attention. You’re overacting, however. If you were for real, you would be right once in a while, even if by accident.
Syd B. on June 13, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Isn’t this a HOOT!!!
dalec on June 13, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Stick around here until November, save my messages until then, and come back facing me with reality, if you dare.
Indy Conservative on June 13, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Brings back memories of the inept pinheads Carter brought to Washington. Back to reruns. Goes to show how liberals just don’t learn from history and repeat it time and time again.
katieanne on June 13, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Tangential.
benrand on June 13, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Take it up a notch, I have known Bill Nelson for a while (through some other friends in FL Politics). He is no Bob Grahm but he isnt stupid either.
He is also an unrepentane media whore.
Squid Shark on June 13, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Trouble in paradise.
Rhinoboy on June 13, 2008 at 10:23 AM
“I hate it when we look like a bunch of backwoods idiot who cant even vote right.
Squid Shark on June 13, 2008 at 9:53 AM”
Um…Squid buddy, that would be ‘idiots’ not idiot.
Just messin`. The sentiment is the same-you think YOUR Dems are giving your state a bad name…I’ve got Al Franken running around here acting like a big snot. We barely survived the Jesse Ventura era.
By the way, let that be a lesson to all of you out there who are thinking about sitting out the election or writing in Mitt Romney or something. I voted for Ventura as a protest; both the Dems and Repubs were quite repugnant that year. I didn’t think he had a chance in hell of winning, so I thought I was ’safe’ in my protest vote. Bigger fool me.
Doug on June 13, 2008 at 10:24 AM
I think that might happen after Floridians find out that Obama plans to shut down NASA’s Constellation program – read: Cape Kennedy = big tourist attraction = lots of employment = big $ – for five years to pay for educational programs.
newton on June 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM
WHAT?????????? That was the only thing keeping me looking fwd to the next decade!
OOOOOOOOOOO Its on now Obama.
I love the space program, and we were finally going to do something worth the money.
If the Chinese come back from the moon with Armstrong’s Flag, I am going to be very angry.
And you wouldnt like me when I am angry!
Squid Shark on June 13, 2008 at 10:29 AM
The Jewish and Cuban communities are cooling towards Obama big time already. These are big voting blocks in Florida.
MarkTheGreat on June 13, 2008 at 10:32 AM
The people who supported Obama early on and ended up with key positions are the same types who backed Ned Lamont two years ago when the Democrats in Connecticut stuck the shiv into Joe Lieberman. And they’re the same people who came down the earliest and with the worst cases of Bush Derangement Syndrome, and ended up seeing anybody not on their side, including Hillary, as their enemy.
With that sort of background, there’s going to be lots of this vindictive stuff going on, which will be a bizarre cross between a pre-teen fight over whose clique is the coolest and Joe Stalin’s purging of his main rivals during the Soviet show trials of the 1930s. Alexrod already has Democratic congressmen openly balking at supporting Obama; if he lets the lower-level minions take out vengence on their fellow party members for not supporting Hillary, he’s going to find really rough going in those key swing states she won during the primary season.
jon1979 on June 13, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Denver! Denver! Denver!
GarandFan on June 13, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Ah, the perennial defense. It’s really kinda hard to get “You f&^%ed us” out of context.
Quisp on June 13, 2008 at 10:37 AM
Hmm… would he meet with Sen. Nelson without preconditions?
Akzed on June 13, 2008 at 10:39 AM
Please tell me you aren’t a Gator.
Bingo. I’ve never seen a “conservative” trash America like Evita does.
misterpeasea on June 13, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Some here are missing the better point to make….
They are changing already designated delegates… uh, just HOW do they do that legaly? I thought the ELECTIONS were to choose delegates…
So, is it like Missouri, where they are GIVING Obama delegates of people who never voted for him? Is this a direct attack on the fairness of an election?
Obama is showing his true colors by his tactics, and THAT should be the story.
Romeo13 on June 13, 2008 at 10:45 AM
This isn’t just about Hillary and Obama, it is a power struggle between the DNC and and the classic dems power base closer to the center.
Rahm Emmanuel prevailed on Nelson to run for another term when he really wanted to retire and he is fighting the left nutroots Dean influence on all their issues.
Obama is weak in this state, just look at the primary numbers here.
And don’t count Hillary out until the convention is over.
She will have a lot of support to make the convention a potential brokered convention.
Nelson’s lawsuit pointed out that Fl and Mi were not the only states which moved their primary date ahead of their authorized early dates the DNC granted.
There are 4 other states who violated the rules and they have not been dealt with like Fl and Mi were.
There looks to be a whole lot that still will come before this issue is settled.
CommentGuy on June 13, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Sounds to me like they just want to put Obama operatives in place in case there’s a scandal coming down the pike that might cause the other delegates to switch their votes to Hillary.
But what do I know?
Oink on June 13, 2008 at 10:50 AM
This is just a distraction, not helping my kids, and Florida is not the state that I knew it to be.
Oh, and ignore that man behind the curtain.
(Obambi is an idiot with an organizational skill level that should have kept him a street organizer – so who IS the man behind the curtain?)
bofh on June 13, 2008 at 10:56 AM
This, plus the Michigan fiasco, enable all of us to now truthfully proclaim that Obama was ’selected, not elected’.
Think_b4_speaking on June 13, 2008 at 11:05 AM
More like “embraced”—–mesmerized,spellbound,self- hypnotisis. It’s no wonder Hillary only suspended her campaign. While the media by-passed on the vetting process for Obama, his rhetoric has to at some point become specific, (which the Clinton gang let slide time and again). The DNC knows they have latched onto the far left spectrum of their ideology and will attempt to disguise it. Remember, this IS a Soro’s leadership we’ve feared for more than a decade. The only reason Bill Clinton won was because there was the deception of moving to the center that the electorate bought hook, line, and sinker. For a Republican to win this election when historically this belongs to a Democrat, we must keep Obama in his radical left ideology and magnify it……..
Rovin on June 13, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Why do I think Indy Conservative and Saint Olaf are really the same people? It just depends which side of the bed they get out of in the morning…
right2bright on June 13, 2008 at 11:13 AM
I believe that this carefully crafted house of cards known as the ’slick Obama organization’ will soon come crashing down upon him with the big ears.
mustng66 on June 13, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Hillary is in the wings, waiting…as this unfolds, she may end up being in the drivers seat after all…
A long hot summer for the Dems, while we only have to contend with a few “he’s cranky, he’s old” foolish naysayers.
right2bright on June 13, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Please stand by for an announcement:
“This is another diversion — my people should be the official delegates because they have good intentions, and they are in favor of hope and change. This diversion is based on snippets taken out of context. The Wagar fellow does not work for me in the sense that he does not get to take part in the regular Sunday session where some people, but not myself, hand out plain envelopes full of cash, in small used bills.”
And a preview of tomorrows:
“This is not the Wagar I knew, and only to the extent that someone may have a photo of ourselves together…”
LaMonte on June 13, 2008 at 11:16 AM
My life has meaning and purpose now.
mymanpotsandpans on June 13, 2008 at 11:20 AM
I just love Obama’s “new” style politics — so cordial, so genteel, so refreshingly different from the old style.
The one good thing about McCain is that he has been around so long, we all know exactly what he is. (An old, cranky, La Raza-pandering jerk who doesn’t understand basic economics or the U.S. constitution). But Obama is still an unknown to most of the voting public. He has to get through the next five months without being exposed to the public for the incompetent Marxist fraud that he is. And with the number of incompetent boobs Obama has surrounded himself with, it’s looking more and more likely that he won’t be able to pull it off.
AZCoyote on June 13, 2008 at 11:35 AM
dude, but for the butterfly ballot and 10,000 dense west palm octogenarians who couldn’t figure it out, we’d be saying goodbye to President Gore in Janaury.
DrW on June 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM
I only wish Republicans would play hard like this and stop trying to make nice.
SouthernGent on June 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Stop questioning the all great & powerful OZ.
Talk like this doesn’t help Barry’s children, ya know.
moonsbreath on June 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Speaking of acting like children – I heard a Hillary volunteer telling Hannity on his radio show (yesterday or the day before) that Obomination volunteers were constantly spitting on them and/or cussing ‘em out. Pure class, that. Really upped my opinion of him./s
thebookkeeper on June 13, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Actually, I am :)
That is the only way to become a pollitican in this state :)
Squid Shark on June 13, 2008 at 12:56 PM
The Cubans were never warm. They have been Solid for McCain since January.
Squid Shark on June 13, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Ha! Those old folks dont count, they are not Floridians, they are Yankee interlopers.
Squid Shark on June 13, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Indy Conservative – have a lollipop, Eeyore.
Merovign on June 13, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Because super delegates are wavering and it is likely more dirt on barry will come out before the floor vote. He wants to clinch it without the superdelegates. barry is trying to change the results of the process of his own party as a candidate, what does everyone think he will do as president? The tactics of barry and his brown shirts is very hitlerian.
peacenprosperity on June 13, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Looks like BarOBameter wants to be a Clinton when he grows up.
EJDolbow on June 13, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Conclusion: NEVER trust an Obama!!!
jeanie on June 13, 2008 at 4:53 PM
That would be Georgie Boy Soros.
john1schn on June 14, 2008 at 12:21 AM
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