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posted at 10:00 pm on June 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
Stephen B. Chapman, associate professor of the Old Testament at Duke University Divinity School, says the Bible has a lot to say about man’s relationship to the eco-system.
“In the Bible there is an essential relationship between social justice and right worship and ecology,” said Chapman. “The Bible has an intense interest in ecology.”
Religious scholars are beginning to pay more attention to what the Bible has to say about man’s destruction of the environment and its relationship to natural catastrophes
“The land bearing the cost of global warming is new, but the connection between what humankind does and what societies they form and the health of the land and agriculture is as old as the Bible itself,” he said.
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Does this mean we have to continue the atheists vs. religious dummyheads thread from earlier? Social justice, ecology, and right worship, oh goody.
I’ll be back with my Ayn Rand essay collection, if you need me…
BlueZ on June 13, 2008 at 10:07 PM
“Beware the man of one book.”
Not sure what that means in this context; but it sounds impressive, no?
SteveMG on June 13, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Not sure what any of that means, but I am sure about the need to publicly flog Al Gore. No science needed, just strip the fat man down to his size 54 undies, and flog away.
Keemo on June 13, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I think Jesus summs it up better then anyone:
Just LOVE everyone.
custer on June 13, 2008 at 10:12 PM
I believe that man should be a good steward of God’s creation. I don’t believe that CO2 is Satan’s helper, however.
juliesa on June 13, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Chapman is an isagete. That is to say, he reads his own agenda into the text of the Scripture, rather than reading what is there.
That’s this theologian’s way of calling him an heretic.
Scribbler on June 13, 2008 at 10:15 PM
During the end times, people will be bitching about the weather.
ninjapirate on June 13, 2008 at 10:19 PM
“In the Bible there is an essential relationship between social justice and right worship and ecology,” said Chapman. “The Bible has an intense interest in ecology.”
What a blatantly false statement.
These fruitcakes are getting desperate. They need to shove this climate change bull down our throats before the earth enters a cooling cycle.
darwin on June 13, 2008 at 10:26 PM
This is more religion than my Fridays allow…
loganthompson on June 13, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Doesn’t the Bible also talk about false prophets?
MB4 on June 13, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Isn’t it amazing and yet so perplexing how well Liberals
can interpret the bible!
Lets see,the right isn’t buying into the Global Warming,
oh I know, say its in the bible,and they will all swallow
it!
Do pray tell,what else doesn’t the bible say!
canopfor on June 13, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Hey Mr. Duke bible scholar, what does the Bible say about bearing false witness, specifically for such issues as rape by lacrosse players?
Rhinoboy on June 13, 2008 at 10:32 PM
No.
Yes. Gore is a good example.
labrat on June 13, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Global warming has been just a religion for a long time.
lorien1973 on June 13, 2008 at 10:35 PM
He wouldn’t know. He’s too busy looking for Green Peace in Isaiah.
labrat on June 13, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Doesn’t the Bible also talk about false prophets?
MB4 on June 13,2008 at 10:28PM.
MB4:SSSSSShhhhhhhhhhh,are you mad,Obama prophet
might hear you,wall’s have ears,er,I mean
the internet walls have ears! haha.:)
canopfor on June 13, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Yes. The Greeks called it Gaia or earth worship.
We call it environmentalism, and Gore is the new high priest.
labrat on June 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM
I sure would like to read the passages….where, which ones?
jerrytbg on June 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in carbon clothing, but inwardly they are ravening energy guzzlers. Ye shall know them by their private jets and their big mansions.
- Matthew (updated)
MB4 on June 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Deuteronomy, chapter 19, verses 15 through 21. It’s pretty clear.
Kowboy on June 13, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I sure hope that he doesn’t send the Angle of Death, Michelle after me and my whitey a$$.
MB4 on June 13, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Darn right. Global warming itself is secular eschatology (a Gore-ified Left Behind), The Day After Tomorrow and Earth in the Balance are their Book of Revelation, Gore is their prophet, the GW-hysterical scientists are their priests, carbon credits are their penance, ethanol is their eucharist, and Obama, who will help drop ocean levels during his presidency, is, of course, their messiah.
Anybody else wanna flesh out the rest of this religion?
Pope Linus on June 13, 2008 at 10:49 PM
u bad….you’re gonna burn in hell!!! ;)
jerrytbg on June 13, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Good article on the mechanics of how the ‘Pope of the Church of Global Warming’ got the meme started in the first place.
HERE
LegendHasIt on June 13, 2008 at 10:55 PM
It has a flood. It has salvation. It has its own book. True believers. Even has places of worship.
lorien1973 on June 13, 2008 at 10:55 PM
There is no god but gaia, and al-gore collects her profit.
(Pork pie be upon him)
techno_barbarian on June 13, 2008 at 10:58 PM
And the High Goracle spoke all these words, saying: I am the Goracle your Oracle.
ONE: You shall have no other Oracles before Me.
TWO: You shall not make for yourself any carbon images–any likeness of anything carbon that is in heaven above, or of anything carbon that is in the earth beneath, or anything carbon that is in the water under the earth.
THREE: You shall not ever take the name of the Goracle your Oracle in vain.
FOUR: Remember my birthday, and keep it carbon free unless you have credits that you bought from me.
FIVE: Honor me instead of your father and your mother especially if they don’t believe in global warming.
SIX: You shall not ever malign me or else you be apostates.
SEVEN: You shall not commit adultery with my wife, but I can with your wife and your daughters as long as Bill Clinton hasn’t got there first and ruined them.
EIGHT: You shall not ever steal my carbon credits.
NINE: You shall not raise any challenges to the most holy doctrine of global warming.
TEN: You shall not covet any of my mansions; you shall not covet my private jets, nor my SUV’s, nor my pizza, nor my Krispe Kreame dounuts, nor my Biggie Fries, nor my hot fudge sundaes.
MB4 on June 13, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Bwhahahaahaa! I can’t help but see MO wielding an aluminum framing square and wearing yo’ whitey a$$ out. ;o)
techno_barbarian on June 13, 2008 at 11:01 PM
The Bible (the Torah in my case) is against primitive earth worship cults, such as the environmental “movement”.
TexasJew on June 13, 2008 at 11:04 PM
What Bible is he reading? And what is he smoking when he reads it?
Mommynator on June 13, 2008 at 11:06 PM
And so it shall be as written…
jerrytbg on June 13, 2008 at 11:07 PM
The only tipping point I see is that the West and the US is slowly tipping itself toward poverty and superstition. Don’t worry, if you’re in the upper class or the academic/media class you’ll be fine.
r keller on June 13, 2008 at 11:08 PM
The Bible also deals with the propagation of the human race and raising the standard of living of the poor, neither of which fit the radical environmentalist agenda.
whitetop on June 13, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Just what IS the angle of death, anyway?
About 180°?
Yeah, probably. flatline=dead — most of the time anyway.
/spelling police
;-)
LegendHasIt on June 13, 2008 at 11:09 PM
What happened to the Go Forth and Be Fruitful and Multiply, and all that stuff?
How about the Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” crap?
Yeah what about all that crap?
I feel entitled…., sort of….
Kini on June 13, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Duke, eh? Was this guy, by any chance, on the petition condemning the LaCrosse players?
whitetop on June 13, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Yes. It also talks about The False Prophet. Just as there are anti-Christs and The Anti-Christ. I figure Mohammed is The False Prophet described in Revelations, just an educated guess.
aengus on June 13, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Fact: the earth is constantly undergoing climate change and has since the beginning.
Fact: we are in the interglacial period which means the glaciers are melting.
Fact: we will be heading toward an ice age and there is no amount of man-made gases, pollution that is going to stop that.
carbon_footprint on June 13, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Um,….
So Shall It Be Written, So Shall It Be Done?
– Yule Brenner
Kini on June 13, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Well there ya go.
My copy didn’t mention Mike Nifong by name.
Rhinoboy on June 13, 2008 at 11:22 PM
I sure hope that he doesn’t send the Angel of Death,
Michelle after me and my whitey a$$.
MB4 on June 13,2008 at 10:49PM.
Beware of false prophets,
Ye shall know them by their private jets
and their big mansions.
MB4 on June 13,2009 at 10:44PM.
MB4: Too late,the above statement.BLASPHEMER!! Haha.:)
canopfor on June 13, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Stephen B. Chapman has no idea what he’s talking about. The Bible makes it clear that the earth and all that is in it is for mans exclusive use or even abuse. God did not give us a delicate planet or environmental system, it is quite able to repair itself from nearly any punishment we can give it.
Even natural disasters such as Mt. Saint Helens, which dish out far more destruction than anything man is capable of do not permanently destroy an area.
It’s actually funny that environmentalist think they are the great keepers of the earth, pure vanity, how do you suppose the earth ever survived without them. Leftist tarts!
Ann gets it right once again !!
Maxx on June 13, 2008 at 11:32 PM
AHH! That’s where that came from….
I just could not remember… thanks!
jerrytbg on June 13, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Maxx…you are so on point…ah
jerrytbg on June 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM
I’m no Biblical scholar, but I’ve read the book a few times, and I don’t remember that “intense interest” at all. How about providing us with a few specific quotes that back up your assertion, Prof. Chapman — or is that too much like real work for a Duke professor? (‘cuz we know how much you people like jumping to unfounded conclusions).
AZCoyote on June 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM
I’m obviously worshiping the wrong profit$$$
Kini on June 13, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Even in Revelation where it gets really hot, CO2 isn’t the source.
Not only no CO2 in the Bible but check this out from Genesis 8:22
However there are plenty of us that think we are nearing the end of this age. Jesus from Matthew 24.
Sorry for the long post. There’s a lot of neat stuff in the Bible. Just read and believe!
Ordinary1 on June 13, 2008 at 11:37 PM
I don’t have much use for a man who can only spell a word one way. Shows lack of creativity!
- Mark Twain
MB4 on June 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Preface this by saying – I am a conservative Christian theologian.
1 – the Bible is not a science book, and should not be used to “prove,” matters of science. The Bible knows nothing of our Modern phenomenon of “global warming.”
2 – The relationship between those who follow God and the earth is an essential theme that runs through the biblical narrative. Humanity is given creation, and is to be a good steward of it. I personally believe that this means a variety of ways of caring for the earth, and if global warming were in fact a reality, I think it would be an imperative of people of faith to take this seriously. This is one precise reason that you have younger evangelicals flocking in droves to Obama.
I am not convinced of global warming of the variety that the goracle preaches. However, I am convinced of the necessity of being a responsible user of the earth’s resources.
nailinmyeye on June 13, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Fixed it for ya!
There are more wondrous dangers in this world and universe than humans could ever dreamt have of. We are puny beings compared to the hand of God are work, although made in God’s image. [If that were true, someone please explain liberal environmentalist]
Besides, isn’t vanity are sin? Vanity in ones self to believe that your own advancement in quality of life could lead to your own demise?
Kini on June 13, 2008 at 11:48 PM
“…and after partaking of the fair-trade latte of the Knowledge of
Good and EvilPolitically Correct and Incorrect, the Man and Womyn clothed themselves in locally produced hemp garments for theyfelt shame that they were nakedhad self image issues brought on by consumerism…”Nosferightu on June 13, 2008 at 11:50 PM
You’re reading the wrong book!!!!
A reading from the Book of Gore, Chapter 1, The Sky is Falling
Kini on June 13, 2008 at 11:50 PM
I don’t understand how any Bible believing Christian could say that. Who exactly was it again that inspired every single word of the Bible?
Maxx on June 13, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Crap….
There are more wondrous dangers in this world and universe than humans could ever have dreamt
haveof. We are puny beings compared to the hand of Godareat work, although made in God’s image.I need to read what I [w]rite
Kini on June 13, 2008 at 11:54 PM
I’m obviously worshipping the wrong profi$$$
Kini on June 13,2008 at 11:36PM.
Kini: Why yes,yes you are,haha.
Other than the true God,may I suggest,my
second one,the almighty chevy big block
572 rat! haha. :)
canopfor on June 13, 2008 at 11:56 PM
The Bible was written by who? God or Man?
I don’t remember God evah being invited to Oprah’s book club?
I tend to treat the bible as a cookbook. Recipes for life, liberty and happiness. You can make variations to the recipes, but rewriting them could lead to disaster.
From a worldwide view, the environment is not and has never been in our control. Equating religion and the environment together is hardly mutual.
Kini on June 14, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Sad but true
Ordinary1 on June 14, 2008 at 12:10 AM
The two visions of life on this planet are not mutually exclusive.
jerrytbg on June 14, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Here’s a nice little nugget hidden toward the end of the article:
But, but…we’ve been told by our betters that these are caused by man-made global warming. That whole sun thing is just an inconvenience to put aside.
JimRich on June 14, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Guy’s full of shit.
Exactly right – he went to the Bible with a predetermined agenda, and found the symbolic language he was looking for.
Anyone want to bet me right now that this scholar also believes that Paul’s words in Romans 1:18-32 don’t really mean what you think they mean?
Jaibones on June 14, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Ya’ll are all in rare form tonight. You all have me laughing histerically.
But as for Duke divinity professors, I’m sure they are just like the ones I had at Wake. They spend all their time in class explaining why the Bible couldn’t be true. There is a difference between KNOWING what the Bible says and BELIEVING it. Most college level Bible classes concern themselves with discrediting the Bible – while using the Bible.
God only gave Adam and Eve one command. That command wasn’t to take care of the garden. God did that Himself. If God created it, how would man know how to care for it better than God? I would argue that is where obeying God came in under the covenant. Believe that God knows better than man. Just do what He says and everything will be fine. If you don’t do what He says, you are on your own.
ThackerAgency on June 14, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Hey, rumor has it that L.A. Mayor Tony Villar is gonna marry ‘Frisco Mayor Gavin Newsome….just thought I’d pass that along…Really….
DfDeportation on June 14, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Kini on June 14, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Was that directed at me? My point was that every word of the bible was inspired of God. God knows the beginning to the end. To say there was knowledge that was not available to God at the time the scriptures were written would not be correct.
I’d agree that “global warming” is not mentioned in the Bible, but, scams like it are addressed, and put to rest.
Maxx on June 14, 2008 at 12:20 AM
Are you really serious?
Skidd on June 14, 2008 at 12:20 AM
Pretty thin soup, AP. Sit on this tripe until Friday night, when you’re watching the Mets and piling up empty Newcastle bottles, you figure the Pinot’s about gone, so you post some crap combining Global Warming Hysteria and Christianists vs atheists, and sit back and laugh.
Well it won’t work this time.
Jaibones on June 14, 2008 at 12:21 AM
I like contractions….sorry….;)
jerrytbg on June 14, 2008 at 12:21 AM
That’s my number 1 Bible verse to expose the lie of global warming too!
Skidd on June 14, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Aengus, I have wondered the same, and have been studying it for quite some time. Look at these verses from the Revelation:
1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Of course the Revelation is highly symbolic prophecy:
“signified” means, in the Greek, “typified” or “symbolic”
Revelation 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Revelation 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts [were] like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads [were] as it were crowns like gold, and their faces [were] as the faces of men.
The Muslim Ottoman Turks were very adept horseman and had an army made up almost entirely of cavalry warriors. Very unique. They were also distiguished by the golden turbins they wore (“crowns like gold”), and their long beards (“faces of men”).
Revelation 9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as [the teeth] of lions.
They were also distinguished by their long hair. (“hair of women”).
Revelation 9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings [was] as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
Iron, in scripture, is symbolic of strength.
Solomon says of locusts:
Proverbs 30:27 The locusts have no king, yet go they forth all of them by bands;
Despite Muhammad’s death in 632, his armies did indeed swarm over the face of the earth like bands of locusts with no king.
labrat on June 14, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Apocalyptic Global Warming (AGW) is quickly ramping up, at near asymptotic rates, into a shrillness that will render it unsustainable as the cult it has degenerated into. The daily drumbeat of hysteria mongering and fear infliction, in the face of weather that pretty much the same, and temperatures that are not cooperating, etc., is beginning to look silly to a lot of people. Which explains the increasing hysteria of the believers and promoters.
There is a biblical angel on this, however:
The bible opens early with an apocalypse and closes with an even more spectacular one.
Both are symbolic stories, not history.
Just as AGW is today.
hunter on June 14, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Maxx,
Was that directed at me? Indirectly, I thought you brought up a good point.
My point was that every word of the bible was inspired of God. God knows the beginning to the end.
Precisely!! Inspired and written by man. Also, the bible says predicting the end of the world is Gods knowledge alone.
To say there was knowledge that was not available to God at the time the scriptures were written would not be correct.
To be sure. God knows all, sees all, but does not tell all.
Global Warming is predicting the end of the would. That’s gods domain, not mans to know or predict.
Kini on June 14, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Aint buying it. Now if you can show me where it says that in the Book Of Mormon…
opusrex on June 14, 2008 at 12:32 AM
about global warming an such that is.
opusrex on June 14, 2008 at 12:33 AM
So eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow, well only god knows.
Kini on June 14, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Hey Kini…
I wanted to follow up to say is that
it’s the evolution of Creation …every so often you get flaws.
jerrytbg on June 14, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Woah. On any other day, this statement would trigger a flurry of response. Not today, though. Pretty sluggish Friday.
Skidd on June 14, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Funny! The “religious” elements are all there.
Carbon credits could be called the “wave offering” of the religion of environmentalism; a way to absolve you of your “sins” against mother earth.
They are not a perfect sacrifice, so they must be offered again and again as determined by high priest algore.
labrat on June 14, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Just acquired the original “The Ayn Rand Letter” and “The Objectivist” series, and the Ayn Rand stamp. Had just about all other which she wrote, or was written about her.
Entelechy on June 14, 2008 at 12:45 AM
labrat on June 14, 2008 at 12:50 AM
forgot to close tags, again, sorry
labrat on June 14, 2008 at 12:50 AM
The bible also says to vote Obama. Trust me, it’s in there somewhere.
BDavis on June 14, 2008 at 12:54 AM
That’s right. You can’t buy salvation outright from Al, you can only rent it with payments as long as you live.
MB4 on June 14, 2008 at 12:55 AM
I don’t know about you guys, but I’ve always liked the threads debating faith. At times it gets a bit ugly but for the most part, it’s a place to express the ‘wheres’ and ‘whys’ of both sides.
I miss Red Pill. Spammed a bit much, but he was fun!
Skidd on June 14, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Good article by Weather Channel founder, John Coleman, here:
Global Warming and the Price of a Gallon of Gas
MrC_5150 on June 14, 2008 at 1:03 AM
Modern phenomenon? The middle ages were much warmer than it is now.
Johan Klaus on June 14, 2008 at 1:03 AM
An excellent article.
Johan Klaus on June 14, 2008 at 1:05 AM
Isn’t that when Greenland got it’s name?
jerrytbg on June 14, 2008 at 1:08 AM
If you don’t believe the great flood was history then you should check out this site. Even if it doesn’t change your mind I’m sure you will find it very interesting.
You have to ask yourself, how did this happen?
Maxx on June 14, 2008 at 1:10 AM
goodnite Maxx
jerrytbg on June 14, 2008 at 1:15 AM
Great link Maxx. Thanks.
labrat on June 14, 2008 at 1:19 AM
From MrC_5150′s linked article:
Come on. This global warming is such a sham. These people will do anything to continue the lie because it’s the vehicle they’re using to change the world into a socailistic state.
How many ice ages do scientists say we’ve had? Three? Four? Why is the climate change we’re going through now (slight as it is) spell the end of the world?
One last thing. In 2006 Al Gore stated that he wasn’t going to talk to China about the incredible amount of pollution they’re spewing into the atmosphere. When asked why not, the big baby said, “I’m not going to ask any other country to do it’s part until the United States gets on board first.”
Really, Al. Five years ago you stated that we had only ten years to act or all is lost, but you’re playing a game now, huh? Fraud.
Skidd on June 14, 2008 at 1:19 AM
I thought cars emitted Carbon Monoxide?
The article is excellent. Given the fact most of any of the so called scientists are in it for the $green$. Whereas John Coleman is are real climatologist scientist, and not even listened to.
Whereas, Al Gore is a charlatan and a fraud.
A politician – a professional lier.
Kini on June 14, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Maybe it was green ice.
Johan Klaus on June 14, 2008 at 1:25 AM
Most welcome labrat, that is one of my favorite sites, its a big site with lots of information, all of it jaw dropping. There is also a youtube video here where Dr. Brown demonstrates his theory. Very cool stuff.
Time for me to hit the sack too, goodnight all !!
Maxx on June 14, 2008 at 1:26 AM
goodnight, Maxx. Goodnight, all.
Skidd on June 14, 2008 at 1:29 AM
Yes, we are.
Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight [are but] as yesterday when it is past, and [as] a watch in the night.
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
We are in the seventh “day”.
labrat on June 14, 2008 at 1:30 AM
Good night Maxx.
labrat on June 14, 2008 at 1:31 AM
I’ve always liked the number seven. I’m excited.
Goodnight. (I mean it this time).
Skidd on June 14, 2008 at 1:33 AM
Hmmmm…. watch out where the husky’s go and don’t you eat that yellow snow…..
I can help but picturing it.
Kini on June 14, 2008 at 1:33 AM
We must keep our armour intact and our swords sharp. Good night all.
labrat on June 14, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Baloney. Just as much of a myth as is man-made climate change.
infidel4life on June 14, 2008 at 2:03 AM
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