Bill Clinton, the great civil libertarian!

DrSteve on June 11, 2008 at 10:20 AM

Yeah…I’m just SURE he’s already destroyed the 1000 FBI files he collected on his opponents in Congress and various other folks in the USA out of concern for their civil liberties!! Hillary certainly wouldn’t have looked at the files, either….

/SARC

Freakin’ Europeans! Treating terrorism as law enforcement. When will they learn.

If you allow Muslimns to immigrate into your country and have to arrest them later then it is a law enforcement issue.

Unless you are saying we should let Muslims into our country, give them citizenship, and then launch a civil war against them?

The problem is in allow Muslim immigration.

George Bush and the Republican party are no different.

OPPAS: I believe that you understand how the entire army of Spain cannot resist the force of the Muslims. How then can you resist on this mountain? Listen to my advice: abandon your efforts and you will enjoy many benefits alongside the Muslims”.

PELAYO: Have you not read in Sacred Scripture that the Church of the Lord is like the mustard seed which, small as it is, grows more than any other through the mercy of God?

OPPAS: So it is written.

PELAYO: Our hope is in Christ. This little mountain will be the salvation of Spain. The mercy of Christ will free us from that multitude

I think Spain just broke the verbal contract previously offered by OBL and tacitly accepted by Spain. I’m no contract lawyer but if I were Spain I’d be paying a lot of attention to any penalty clauses.

moxie_neanderthal on June 11, 2008 at 1:08 PM

That was voided three years ago when Spain deployed their army at the border fence. The army shot dead Muslim migrants to prevent them from entering Spanish territory.

I thought they had rolled over and taken the socialist approach of non-intervention? Well, then. Good on them. Hopefully it sparks a movement in Europe.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 11, 2008 at 9:44 AM

Of course, they’ll now hold a Spanish Carnivale trial, acquit half of them outright, sentence the other half to 5 years, and let them out after 18 months.

It’s Europe.

Hmm Seems to me Bush has been really the only one actually taking it to the jihadists and leading others to do the same.

Actions mean far more than words in this fight, and I’d love to know the actual jihadi body count after Bush is done with them.

Dead jihadis don’t lie.

Thank God Bush has always been straight with us about the great religion of peace. He says they are quite tolerant as well and they do too, so it must be true.

The antiterrorist investigation involved arrests in Barcelona, Pamplona and the northeastern province of Castellón.

Pamplona, eh? Their punishment should be to be made to run with the bulls — with their ankles tied. :)

Freakin’ Europeans! Treating terrorism as law enforcement. When will they learn.

Tom_Shipley on June 11, 2008 at 9:43 AM

Dude, these are the same people who kissed Hitler’s ass all the way into France. When will they learn? Not until they need accountants to tally the body count. More likely, they’ll simply go out with a whimper as they are out bred from within.

Tom_Shipley on June 11, 2008 at 9:43 AM

Yeah, Clinton loooooved him some wiretaps. As long as it was on domestic right-wingers, of course.

DavidM on June 11, 2008 at 9:35 AM

I think it is more a case of location, Spain being the closest European point to Africa. As for the attacks in Algeria, there is still a slight disagreement between the extremists and the “so called” moderates that currently control Algeria.

Recently found this article. Interesting reading. Republicans were AGAINST authorizing wiretaps without a court order for 48 hours in terrorist cases in 1995. (which I believe was passed at 72 hours?). Democrats were pushing for broader powers for the government to fight terrorism in the mid 90s (Clinton especially, though some Dems did fight Clinton on this).

Then September 11 happened and Republicans suddenly “see the light” and, like many people caught way off guard, overreact. The surveillance law works well as it is (you can tap a suspected terrorist line as long as you submit a warrant application within 72 hours). In ’95, that was too much power to give government agents, now it’s not enough.

That fact especially shows the reactionary nature of Republicans in regard to terrorism. We get attacked and the legitimate concerns of giving government too much power (or protect American’s civil rights) are thrown out the window so we can get the terrorists. That’s a little scary to me.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CEEDA1E31F93BA15756C0A963958260

Spain pulled out of Iraq so how in the world are they recruiting?

Someone get me a flowchart so I can keep up with isolationist logic.