Rich Lowry: “Wouldn’t Mike Huckabee be just the right Republican for this particular moment”?
posted at 5:52 pm on June 11, 2008 by Allahpundit
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He duly qualifies it by calling it a “terrible thought” and dismissing Huck as “unserious” and ignorant about economics, but when the editor of National Review is willing to utter such heresies aloud you know there’s a little VP mo a-buildin’! We’ve been over the various merits and demerits of Huck on the ticket before so let’s try a different angle: Are there any other candidates who’d deliver more right off the bat than he would? It’s easy to imagine America warming up to Palin or Jindal over the course of the campaign, but it’s also easy to imagine a collective shrug. Maybe Palin siphons off some of Hillary’s girl power; maybe she doesn’t. Ultimately we simply don’t know how much they’d deliver. With Huck you know on day one you’re getting goodwill among evangelicals, a dynamite media presence, and the sort of (shiver) populist economic rhetoric Lowry thinks could help with gas at $4.50 a gallon. How badly do you want to win?
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Very badly, but the emotion/drive stops at .001% of this one.
Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Batfrisch. Simply batfrisch.
Seriously – do you have an NEA grant for this Performance Art insanity of yours?
sulla on June 11, 2008 at 7:06 PM
Heh! Mike Huckabee is god and Dole pineapple is his messenger!
I gotta go. Mrs B is winking at me again.
techno_barbarian on June 11, 2008 at 7:07 PM
No one can rally evangelicals and the conservative base like Mike Huckabee!
Great choice John!
SaintOlaf on June 11, 2008 at 7:07 PM
And hardly any ticket would lose the independents, without whom this year not Obama, nor McCain would win.
Also, Saint one, you claim that Huckabee will be on the ticket as president, and now you’re all for him being second on the ticket. Which one is it?
Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 7:10 PM
Olaf has to be a sockpuppet.
Let’s see. “SaintOlaf.” aaioflnst … Satan foil …
Stan Fiola.
AllahPundit’s debate name in high school.
Allah, you magnificent bastard!
sulla on June 11, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Because I think Obama would be a disaster for America, I’m all about playing this thing to win. And, face reality people, this isn’t going to be a Republican year. Accordingly, to answer Allah’s question, Lieberman is the only real choice.
And deep down inside, you all know I’m right.
Infidoll on June 11, 2008 at 7:13 PM
No, that’s my idea of what liberal elites THINK grassroots conservatives think. St.Goof-Olaf is a living simulacrum of the left-wing strawman of evangelical cartoonishness.
peski on June 11, 2008 at 7:13 PM
He/she/it should.
uh – oh … now you’ve done it!
wise_man on June 11, 2008 at 7:13 PM
Infidoll you magnificent bastard.
(I mean this as the highest compliment as in the same lines of a “Rove you magnificent bastard” just in case you might misconstrue..)
It is deliciously ironic. And I would vote for McCain/Lieberman just to spite these a*holes:
“The Kiss” Float.
wise_man on June 11, 2008 at 7:18 PM
Serious VP talk misses the real point: a VP won’t win you an election, but it could help you lose one. Do you think Wyoming’s three electoral votes were at stake when Bush picked Cheney? The analysis shouldn’t be about what voting bloc a VP candidate can give, but what one alienates the least. Huckabee on board tells fiscal cons and libertarian cons to not bother showing up (let along volunteering or donating).
seanhackbarth on June 11, 2008 at 7:19 PM
And replacing it with a recessionary sales tax. But never mind that, it’s a FAIR tax! Its proponents call it that; what other evidence do you need?
Xrlq on June 11, 2008 at 7:22 PM
So the hateful, venomous mormons and atheists are personally attacking me? That’s not very surprising.
There is a big difference between Christian behavior and satanic influenced behavior.
Thank you mormons and atheists for proving my point and making a mockery of your so called religions.
SaintOlaf on June 11, 2008 at 7:23 PM
SaintOlaf on June 11, 2008 at 7:23 PM
LOL, yep, us Mormons have horns too you know. Funny how you are so quick to claim we are venomous, yet do not see your own poison.
Conservative Voice on June 11, 2008 at 7:25 PM
Mote, meet log.
peski on June 11, 2008 at 7:26 PM
Um .. don’t look – But I think there’s a venomous mormon right behind you! Quick! Run!!!!!
wise_man on June 11, 2008 at 7:28 PM
To those who think the VP pick doesn’t matter, remember that if McCain somehow manages to win this, we’ll basically be stuck running his VP when McCain is done (unless he runs for a second term and loses). So if Mac serves two terms or if he serves one term and decides not to run again, tradition will demand that we give the next nomination to whomever his incumbent VP is, assuming his VP wants it. Can you stand being stuck with Huck as our presumptive nominee in 2012 or 2016? If he actually won and served two terms, it could be 2024 before we have the opportunity to run an actual conservative, and that’s a best-case scenario in terms of keeping Democrats out of the White House. *shudder*
aero on June 11, 2008 at 7:29 PM
so true, Olaf. It is YOUR satanic behavior that leads all normal folks here – mormons, jews, atheists, christians, wicca, zoroastrians, taoists – to point out what a tool you are.
The only one turning everything into a religious litmus test is you. I don’t mock you because of your self-professed Christianity. I mock you because everything you post has all the substance of a “kick me” sign.
sulla on June 11, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Yes, you’ve caught the juvenile nature of his posts. I sometimes wonder if GoofOlaf is past puberty. Not many folks can maintain his type of full-force inanity far into adulthood.
peski on June 11, 2008 at 7:37 PM
It’s ok sulla..I do understand your motivation better than you do and no I don’t hate you. I just pray that you will hear and respond to God’s call someday.
SaintOlaf on June 11, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Can we impeach a presumptive nominee?
moughon on June 11, 2008 at 7:39 PM
Great irony is also indignant today.
Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 7:44 PM
This is an example of what Huck brings to the table…any more questions. Just like most liberals Huckster and his minions know what’s best for us.
jwp1964 on June 11, 2008 at 7:44 PM
Smart move Mccain.
Evidently you’ve been taking the threat of us evangelicals going constitution party seriously.
Looks like the effect of our million+ emails a day to you is working beautifully.
SaintOlaf on June 11, 2008 at 7:45 PM
Yep. Mark Sanford, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin, Bob Riley, Tim Pawlenty, and Rudy! (with Pat Robertson’s blessing and TV presence among evangelicals) are all stronger choices.
Huckabee, Crist, Ridge, and Jodi Rell are all probably equally bad.
funky chicken on June 11, 2008 at 7:47 PM
I’m still not convinced McCain isn’t looking to add Hillary to HIS ticket.
Texas Rainmaker on June 11, 2008 at 7:48 PM
The only reasoning I can see is that McCain is going to be a disaster anyway so why sacrifice Palen, Mitt or Jindal to a McCain administration. McCain/Huckabee 08 and then Mitt/Jindal/Palen 2012!
ctmom on June 11, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Mike Huckabee’s behavior on the Campaign trail was not Christian. Does that mean it was Satanic?
EJDolbow on June 11, 2008 at 7:49 PM
SaintOlaf, with all due respect, don’t you see that with the things you say, and the way you say them, you alienate more than you convert, at least here?
Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 7:50 PM
You know what else builds momentum AP? A laxative. That’s what a Huck nomination does to the ticket. McCain is bad enough; I mean, we’re nominating a GOP Senator who has more in common with the Democrats. To add insult to injury, we nominate this buffoon Huckabee who makes James Carville look normal. I’m so glad I gave up on this election months ago. If I actually gave a cr*p, I’d be ready for to be carted off in an ambulance right now.
austinnelly on June 11, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Like what in particular?
Yes, the Truth hurts sometimes.
But if I treat someone unjustly, I always apologize and mean it.
Besides…it is God that does the converting..
“We love him, because he first loved us.”
SaintOlaf on June 11, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Mike Huckabee has more executive experience than anyone in either party who was running for POTUS.
A buffoon,carville comparison makes no sense to any rational person.
Let me guess you hate Huckabee because He believes God created the universe?
What a lunatic right?
Doesn’t he know we are slime coincidences?
SaintOlaf on June 11, 2008 at 8:11 PM
My Huckamentum is very low. If it’s rainy I might stay home. How did we get here? This is awful. Clone Winston Churchill and put him in charge.
Beagle on June 11, 2008 at 8:12 PM
The sneer is gone from Casey’s lip, his teeth are clenched in hate;
He pounds with cruel violence his bat upon the plate.
And now the pitcher holds the ball, and now he lets it go,
And now the air is shattered by the force of Casey’s blow.
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy in Mudville – mighty Casey has struck out.
Limerick on June 11, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Yes, since Gomer Pyle died of AIDS, we should probably go for Huck.
revolution on June 11, 2008 at 8:22 PM
As I happens, I received (and accepted) just such a call last Sunday. (Elders quorum 1st counselor, for the in-house LDS.) I am always humbled when such calls come.
This may not be what you meant, but “hearing and responding to God’s call” is something I take very seriously.
sulla on June 11, 2008 at 8:28 PM
SaintOlaf on June 11, 2008 at 6:08 PM
SaintOlaf on June 11, 2008 at 7:23 PM
These two SaintOlaf. Nothing hurts me from these. I’m just an observer.
I know you meant it in your apology, and I’d sent you a note that I’d accepted; thus, this here is independent of that discussion, sincerely. I also mean what I say/do.
Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Jim Nabors is dead? Since when?
…
Limerick on June 11, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Should be “A Squirrel in Every Popcorn Popper.”
For those who don’t know what RB and I are talking about, Huck proudly told a story about “frying” squirrels in his air popper when he was in college. He knows that’s what we southern Christians want to hear, apparently. He thinks that’s what we relate to. All us backwards red state hicks clinging to our guns and religion like to eat us some good ol’ fried squirrel whilst we ponder how ta lynch us some of them heathen Mor-mans. What a pandering ass.
aero on June 11, 2008 at 8:35 PM
LOL…
I’ve got a pesky one in one of the Oaks. Tomorrow is his day. I’ll ship him to ya if you want.
Limerick on June 11, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Huckabee would be lots better than droopy dog Fred Thompson. In fact, anyone would be better than him. As president or VP.
Allahpundit told me so.
Tinian on June 11, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Huckleberry is not going to be the Veep pick, nor will he lead the GOP ticket. If McCain had any intention on having Huck on the ticket, he would have done it after Texas.
Sekhmet on June 11, 2008 at 8:59 PM
I’m still planning on voting for McCain, but with Huck as VP, nuh-uh.
He’s not, I just saw him sing “Back Home Again In Indiana” two weeks ago at Indy.
SouthernDem on June 11, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Thank goodness! I like Mr Nabors.
(It was another one of those Rovian dirty tricks that led me astray!)
Limerick on June 11, 2008 at 9:16 PM
McCain’s VP nominee must be someone capable of beating Hillary in four years.
Hillary is the biggest McCain booster in the country right now. She’ll make a few speeches for Obama this year that sound good and look good, but then tuck those primary votes under her Senate desk hoping Obama loses.
An Obama losss to McCain would make Hillary (again) the prohibitive frontrunner for the Dem nomination in 2012.
Since it seems unlikely McCain runs for two terms, whoever he picks as VP must be strong enough to beat Hillary in four years.
She will be back.
Mike D. on June 11, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Seriously, how much worse could he be? I mean, if Huckabee had won the nomination and was making all the leftist noises McMoron is making about windfall profit taxes and soaking the rich and never drilling for oil in America, we’d have had a revolt already.
But the same garbage from McCain is greeted by a lot of shrugging.
flenser on June 11, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Huckabee on the ticket makes it more fiscally and economically conservative, that’s the sad thing.
flenser on June 11, 2008 at 9:43 PM
We can
thankHuckabee and West Virginia for McCain.diogenes on June 11, 2008 at 10:29 PM
say what you will, but another look at bob barr…I liked what I heard on Glenn Beck.
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/media-center/
Conservative Voice on June 11, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Hell, no!
Athena on June 11, 2008 at 11:13 PM
The generals will not let us be defeated. Unfortunately we are close to the point where the generals may step in.
Anyone who thinks I’m crazy is asleep.
peacenprosperity on June 11, 2008 at 11:15 PM
That and your original post are nonsensical.
peacenprosperity on June 11, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Hey nitwit, God doesn’t want you looking behind every tree for satan. That’s his job. He wants you living his Word and being an example. Condemning everyone who disagrees with you to eternal damnation is not your job and not living the Word. The King James bible has a section (and excuse my not having the correct book and verse ready, I’m too busy trying to live correctly to memorize numbers) that has Jesus saying, “Go forth and spread the word of God.” which implies intention. The actual transalation from Greek says, “AS you go forth in life.” Remember, “they will know us by our love.”? Convert by example, not be condemnation.
peacenprosperity on June 11, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Olaf…
I’m probably the last fella who should be saying this but your recently banned buddy could use some traffic. Not my cup of tea but some of you fellas might drop him a line or two sometime. Not trying to divert you, just sayin :/
Limerick on June 11, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Congrats Sulla!
It’s hard enough holding my nose voting for mccain!
I don’t think there is any chance in (you know where) that the huckster will be on any ticket. You can’t ever tell what will come out of his mouth. I also believe that he is just like stO – condemning all people! Can you imagine a Jew’s dilemma when they think they have to vote for mccain, because of B.H.Obama and then they find the huckster on the ticket?
So, a big NO voting for him, but I would go and vote for all the other offices.
Don’t you all think we need a qualified woman to pick up the dem voters?
Bambi on June 12, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Well, now, that’s a mighty tempting offer, depending on what you’re planning to shoot for me – a squirrel, or a politician? ;-)
aero on June 12, 2008 at 1:00 AM
Perhaps reason # 1 why it would be a stupid move.
Well, beyond all the fiscal conservatives who would be outraged…”Club for Greed” indeed.
funky chicken on June 12, 2008 at 1:03 AM
I think you should try re-reading my post.
SaintOlaf on June 12, 2008 at 1:23 AM
Hey SaintOlaf:
This evangelical Christian wants no part of Huckabee in any elected office.
We need Federalist candidates that will return us to a constitutional foundation (read: far less government, a return of our freedoms), not another closet leftist like Huck claiming to be a conservative.
E-R
Fred ‘08
electric-rascal on June 12, 2008 at 2:41 AM
Putting that Arkansas version of Al Sharpton on the ticket would make Bob Barr look like a good choice in 2008. Not only would the ticket go down in a 40 + state blowout, but that bloviating idiot would be around for four years as the presumptive front runner for 2012. Leave him out there on the revival tent comedy circuit and hope McCain makes a good choice with the future in mind.
Annar on June 12, 2008 at 6:40 AM
Sure, but Mighty Mouse isn’t available this year.
I wasn’t voting for McCain anyway, but the GOP in its entirety might lose my vote if they’re stupid enough to create this turd of a ticket.
McCain/Huckabee: Because I haven’t eaten from the toilet this year.
Physics Geek on June 12, 2008 at 7:50 AM
You underestimate the offense Huckabee gave to Mormons just before the Iowa caucus. This is probably because you and most people are completely unfamiliar with anti-Mormon literature and so can not understand the code.
Huckabee’s ‘question’: “Don’t [Mormons] believe Jesus and Satan are brothers?” is a direct lift from the anti-Mormon book and movie “The Godmakers” written by Ed Decker. (I happen to know a lot about all of this because I’m from Seattle and so I know all about the Deckerites- my father was actually business partners for a while with Ed’s cousin).
A copy of “The Godmakers” is owned by almost every Baptist Church in Oklahoma (I know because I traveled all over Oklahoma for two years and talked with multiple Baptist pastors about the subject). I doubt Arkansas Baptists are any different.
The question “Don’t you think Jesus and Satan are brothers?” is Ed Decker’s recommended opening attack- particularly in public debates.
Furthermore it is the opening attack in a very specific accusation that Ed Decker makes against Mormons: Mormons are a secretly Satanic cult that worships the Devil.
So when Huckabee used that question, he knowingly and deliberately signaled to all the Baptist pastors in Iowa that he was with them on the anti-Mormon front- and suggested that he considered Mormons to be Satanists.
How do you think Mormons are going to respond to this?
Perhaps Huckabee was unaware how aware Mormons are of anti-Mormon literature, and that therefor he would avoid offending us. I have found it to be quite common for Baptist pastors to assume I had never heard “The Godmakers” line of attack before, despite it being almost 2 decades old.
While it is true that most Mormons do not follow anti-Mormon literature closely (just like most rank and file Baptists don’t either), there is always one or two Mormons in each congregation that does keep tabs on these things and so as soon as Huckabee said that, every Mormon went and approached that person in their congregation to get their take on it. I know I was approached.
I want you to understand, I liked Huckabee previous to that statement. I was on the fence between Fred and Romney, but I was thinking that a Romney/Huckabee ticket would be pretty attractive.
But when a politician labels my faith as “Satanic”- he becomes dead to me. Most Mormons feel the same way- and I think that is perfectly understandable.
Huckabee as VP means McCain will lose Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico- for sure. It will also close the door on Washington and Oregon, (although those are already long shots). It’s even possible that McCain could lose Utah over Huckabee. Unlikely I think, if only because of the strong conservatism there, but it’s not impossible. Remember that conservatives are already unhappy with McCain.
Huckabee is bad news. If Huckabee is picked as the VP candidate then the the Republican party in the West will be severely damaged. Huckabee should never appear on a national Republican ticket.
Huckabee sowed the wind, and reaps the whirlwind.
Sackett on June 12, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Did AP actually see any of the Republican debates? If he had he’d realize that outside of a few cute lines, Huckabee’s a completely unserious candidate if you claim to be a conservative. Economy, security, immigration, and a big-nanny approach to government that would make Hillary proud. McCain will be lucky to get my vote this fall. Add Huck, and he can write it off.
Spitfire9 on June 12, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Precisely. As far as Huck and Mormons go, this is the last word.
WasatchMan on June 12, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Well said, Sackett.
sulla on June 12, 2008 at 2:14 PM
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