Obama: I’d like higher gas prices, just not so quickly

posted at 3:20 pm on June 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

According to Barack Obama, high gas prices don’t really constitute a problem for Americans. He stated yesterday that the reason for our anger is the rapid increase in prices, not the prices themselves. Obama claimed that Americans would have accepted a “gradual adjustment” to the current cost:

Obama wants higher gas prices? Do the rest of the Democrats feel the same way? It certainly would explain why they continue to block domestic energy production in oil. It would also explain the bloated Lieberman-Warner bill, which would have imposed a heavy regulatory bureaucracy on the energy industry, along with rationing that would have both driven up prices and held down supply.

Mitch McConnell decided to attack this on the floor of the Senate today:

I think we need some clarification from the Democrats on this issue. Barbara Boxer claimed last week that the Democrats wanted to “address” high gasoline prices. Did they want to make sure they rose even further?


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SlimyBill on June 11, 2008 at 3:22 PM

And then there’s this:

When asked about gas prices at the pump, and whether they could go any lower, Sen. McCain said he didn’t think so because “You’ve got a finite supply, basically, and a cartel controlling it.”

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzMzMTUwZWQ4MmViYTA5YTRmZDRjN2Y4Y2JhOTlmZDc=

The election is right there for Senator McCain to grab and he trowels out this dog doo. For heaven’s sake.

SlimyBill on June 11, 2008 at 3:23 PM

JUNE 4, 2008
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WASHINGTON D.C. – Today, Congressman Pearce discussed his recent victory in the Republican primary for U.S. Senate on KKOB Radio in Albuquerque. During the interview, Pearce, a Vietnam veteran and former small business man, spoke about uniting the New Mexican Republican party after a spirited primary, as well as key differences between he and his Senate opponent Rep. Tom Udall.

“We had a great election. Heather ran a strong race, I ran a strong race,” Pearce told Bob Clark of KKOB. “She has endorsed me and I talked to Senator Domenici yesterday, so the party is starting to pull back together. As President Bush said, fight hard in the primary and hug when it’s all over. That appears to be what we’re doing.”

“Tom and I vote very differently on taxes, on the tough votes to cut wasteful spending – people are very tired of [the wasteful spending in Washington]” he said. “We restrict 85% of our domestic energy and Tom Udall has voted for those restrictions. I have said we should produce it.”

Congressman Pearce has consistently voted to increase domestic production to bring down skyrocketing gas prices, while Tom Udall has opposed using our own domestic resources which results in increased dependence on foreign sources. In the coming days, Pearce will introduce legislation to remove restrictions on domestic production and use the royalty revenue to invest in renewable technologies.

“Right now we’re 20 years or more away from wind and solar making a significant impact on our energy use. We need to accelerate the research.”

funky chicken on June 11, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Doesn’t Socialism equate with higher gas prices?

OhEssYouCowboys on June 11, 2008 at 3:24 PM

DOH! He’s the gift that keeps on giving.

Can we stand a president like this?

originalpechanga on June 11, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Of course they want higher prices. They have been arguing for them for years.

bj1126 on June 11, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Orrin Hatch, call your friend Senator McCain:

HATCH ASKS ENERGY COMMITTEE TO LIFT MORATORIUM ON OIL SHALE DEVELOPMENT

Washington – Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) today called on the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources to lift a moratorium that essentially bars the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) from leasing land for commercial oil shale development.

During his testimony, Hatch also presented a letter from Utah Gov. Jon M. Huntsman Jr., who asked committee members in the letter to lift the oil shale-lease moratorium, calling it a “matter of great importance for Utah and the nation.”

Hatch also submitted a written statement to the committee in which he stated his stand on oil shale and asked committee members about their stand.

“The question . . . for the members of this committee, and I should add, for the Democratic leadership of Congress, is whether you will adopt the anti-oil agenda of the environmental movement as an element of your own energy policy.” Hatch said in the statement. “So far, I have heard of proposals to tax successful energy production, to investigate the oil futures markets, to ban Canadian oil imports in favor of oil from Venezuela, Russia, and the Middle East, and to call for delay after delay in the commercial production of oil shale. … These policies would not produce one drop of oil.”

The moratorium was imposed as part of the Consolidated Appropriation Act of 2008 and it inconsistent with the Energy Policy Act of 2005 (EPACT), which directed the BLM to lease several tracts of federal oil-shale land for research and to issue commercial-leasing regulations.

Hatch said oil shale and tar sand development are more economical, environmentally responsible and require less water than ethanol production. What’s more, he told committee members, Utah and Colorado have between 800 billion and two trillion barrels of recoverable oil.

Because the U.S. is so dependent on foreign oil, the senator added, the nation is sending “$600 billion overseas, often to countries that are our enemies. We need to use that money for development” of domestic oil to meet our energy needs.

“We need to wake up and stop sending money to our enemies throughout the world,” Hatch said.

http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=ee6b47f8-1b78-be3e-e028-f16f10d0e3a5&IsTextOnly=1

funky chicken on June 11, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Flip Flop

SoulGlo on June 11, 2008 at 3:27 PM

P.S. How much do you want to bet that neither Obama, nor his wife, could tell you the price of a gallon of gas? Just like how most politicians can’t tell you the price of a gallon of milk.

The political pigs in perpetuity live inside of the Beltway, and are utterly out-of-touch with the realities of life. They are no different than the pigs in the Soviet Union, who had their dachas on the Black Sea, while the peasants stood in queues for luxuries like bread and milk.

OhEssYouCowboys on June 11, 2008 at 3:27 PM

How do lower gas prices help Michelle Obama’s children?

lorien1973 on June 11, 2008 at 3:28 PM

What Osama Obama really means is that he wants higher fuel prices via higher taxes, either through government grabbing “windfall profits” or straight at-the-pump markups.

Exorbitant prices are “no problem” for elected officials living off the dole and being propped up by fatcats. They are only a problem for bitter gun-toters.

MrScribbler on June 11, 2008 at 3:28 PM

The boiled frog theory, so applicable to marxism, applied to fuel prices. What an arrogant sob.

Think_b4_speaking on June 11, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Of course they want higher prices. They have been arguing for them for years.
bj1126 on June 11, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Exactly.

There’s no shortage of grumpy faces at the gas pumps these days as prices top $4 a gallon. But amid those frowns are smiles from some people who couldn’t be happier about the rising price of gas.

“It’s been frustrating gas has been cheap for so long,” said Cutietta-Olson, who is 47. “I remember talking about this in sixth grade back in the ’70s. The first time I visited Europe was in ’74 and gas was already $5 a gallon there. This has always been in the cards. It’s not a gloating thing, but the longer we put it off, the worse it’s going to be.”

(F)ans of pricier petroleum believe there are good things to come as filling the tank becomes prohibitive and cars stay parked in the garage more often.

wise_man on June 11, 2008 at 3:29 PM

McCain needs to grow a pair and switch his ‘No Drilling’ stance.

It could be a real campaign maker.

cntrlfrk on June 11, 2008 at 3:29 PM

House Subcommittee Rejects Plan to Open U.S. Waters to More Oil Exploration

Obama is just another “It is America’s Fault” type persona as are the other who want to kill this Nation.

upinak on June 11, 2008 at 3:30 PM

I think we need some clarification from the Democrats McCain on this issue.

We don’t own this issue. Our Pres. candidate of the obscene profits tax lost that for us. Didn’t McConnell get the message?

JiangxiDad on June 11, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Does he have a bet with someone to see how many stupid things he can say and do before his adoring public will see the light? That’s gotta be it.

baldilocks on June 11, 2008 at 3:30 PM

All of those liberals want higher prices. Doesn’t matter to them personally. But, it means more tax revenue for their socialist programs. It means more people don’t have money of their own so they have to sign up for those programs. It means their special interests in the environmental and alt. energy industries make money. They refuse to be honest with the American people.

CP on June 11, 2008 at 3:31 PM

What tool!

xler8bmw on June 11, 2008 at 3:32 PM

The democrats, including the clueless Obama are loving the higher fuel prices. They want them higher. Today’s democrat party is run by various factions of the same beast and they all have one goal in mind … neutering the U.S. and making it’s people stagnant and impotent. They know control of energy, cloaked by environmental concern is a non-violent way to achieve their goal.

Sadly, it seems many republicans have been enlisted into their ranks as well.

darwin on June 11, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Congressman Pearce has consistently voted to increase domestic production

It doesn’t matter want Pearce wants… how useless. This is nothing more than your typical politician tossing out the standard line without actually proposing any real solution to the problem. However, he succeeds in pushing a policy that pleases big oil and should lead to more lobbyist contributions.

News alert- no one seriously thinks that a country like the US can do anything to address growing worldwide demand for oil. Shale might be cost effective at some point but you can’t ramp up production quickly or cost-effectively as you can with drilling crude. All these politicians are just playing games by claiming that our energy problems would go away through more drilling in the states.

If Obama or McCain says anything that deviates from the normal, useless talk coming out of Washington about evergy, I’ll listen.

bayam on June 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Did they want to make sure they rose even further?

Yes, through higher taxes, that’ll make people drive less, which will bring down the cost of gas, which will cause Big Oil to lose money, which will lead to the loss of jobs, which will lead to less Govt. income through taxes, which means … um … wait … uh … I’m sure they’ve got a good point in there somewhere!

Tony737 on June 11, 2008 at 3:36 PM

His timing on this might not have been the best. Sooner or later there is going to be a tremendous backlash over gasoline prices. They affect everyone equally, and the pain is immediate, not delayed like tax increases. McCain needs to get out in front of it pretty quickly.

a capella on June 11, 2008 at 3:36 PM

So the choice is this:

McCain, a man who might hurt this country with his views on immigration and global warming…

or

Obama, a man who wants the US to become a 3rd world country…

If Obama gets in, even a hybrid won’t be enough to handle the price of fuel.

SPCOlympics on June 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Sigh…and John McCain scolds the OIL COMPANIES! What a LOSER! Of a dollar produced from a gallon of oil, the oil companies make 4 cents. They pay 15 cents to the government! What exactly does the government do to put any oil into your gas tank? Nothing, zilch, nada, zero! The oil companies take all the risk, drill the holes hoping to find oil, fight with nature etc. And John F’n McCain wants to punish the OIL COMPANIES and he is the nominee of the Republican Party! I am now a proud Independent and shall remain so until the Republicans recover their soul!!!

sabbott on June 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM

If you can find last night’s O’Rly Factor, he had that Jane chick on, the real miserable brunette, and she actually started about having to “combat the consumer“.

Maybe she’s just a typical dimbulb lib.

Video HERE

benrand on June 11, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Mitch McConnell decided to attack this on the floor of the Senate today:

Good. Keep doing it. I want to hear about it every day. Keep forcing the Dumbocrats to take a position. They can either 1) vote for America….let us increase domestic production, or 2) keep voting for their own far left interests. What’s it going to be?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 11, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Great idea to take the money from REVENUE SHARING rather than taxation and plow that into R&D but YES the Socialists (Dems) clearly want us to pay more for gas. The GOP needs to hammer this every single day and not let up until the Dems cave or are thrown out of office. If we could tap the oil shales WE could become oil exporters and pay off our foreign debts, cut off the 3rd world nuty jobs we are being held hostage to, and put some money back in the Treasury.

The Democrats are Hell bent on telling us how to live. If anyone votes Dem in the fall but laments high gas prices they should be smacked hard in the face.

DerKrieger on June 11, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Obama’s handed McCain a gold-plated battle axe and McCain can’t use it because he’s on record opposing drilling in ANWR. He thinks it’s the Grand Canyon.

How did we get stuck with this guy??

Cicero43 on June 11, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Attention all you Bible totin’, gun slinging, bitter, clingy folks filled with antipathy for all things Barack — it’s not just your guns that he wants to take away from you, it’s your pick-up trucks, too. Can your Bibles be far behind?

My collie says:

Forget Barack, give me Baracay.

Now your talkin’, collie. Baracay would be a great place to be, especially if this clown gets elected.

CyberCipher on June 11, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Supporting drilling, energy production, oil shale development, etc, is the only way the GOP can survive this year. Take the energy issue over and it could be better than that.

indythinker on June 11, 2008 at 3:39 PM

neutering the U.S. and making it’s people stagnant and impotent

.

Well, if you look at who decided to start a war that greatly contributed to higher oil prices while promising sub $20 oil, it wasn’t the Democrats. Nor was it the Democrats who re-started massive federal deficit spending that’s helped drive down the dollar’s value. I don’t know what else Bush and co could do to stagnate the US economy. It’s not hard to come up with conspiracy theories that these policies were specifically intended to weaken the US while enriching the sheiks of the world and help our enemies.

bayam on June 11, 2008 at 3:39 PM

News alert- no one seriously thinks that a country like the US can do anything to address growing worldwide demand for oil. Shale might be cost effective at some point but you can’t ramp up production quickly or cost-effectively as you can with drilling crude. All these politicians are just playing games by claiming that our energy problems would go away through more drilling in the states.

If Obama or McCain says anything that deviates from the normal, useless talk coming out of Washington about evergy, I’ll listen.

bayam on June 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM

I’m not sure that a lag period between starting a process and end results justifies never starting. I could be wrong.

a capella on June 11, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Of a dollar produced from a gallon of oil, the oil companies make 4 cents. They pay 15 cents to the government! What exactly does the government do to put any oil into your gas tank? Nothing, zilch, nada, zero!

They do worse than nothing. The government imposes restrictions on exploration and drilling that don’t apply to foreign competitors.

SPCOlympics on June 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM

baldilocks on June 11, 2008 at 3:30 PM

When Democrats heard pundits say “Democrats can’t possibly lose this election”, they took it as a challenge.

amerpundit on June 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM

It’s pretty simple really. The Libs what to save the planet so that means using less energy and they believe the way to do that is the raise prices so people use less. If people use less there is less “Carbon” and the Polar Bears will be saved.

Obama statement makes sense in the like of that. Instead of coming up with alternatives so we can continue using energy and our current rate they would rather “people” use less.

All in all it is just another way to get the fed involved in your life and control another aspect of your life.

Of course this does not apply to them. They are not going to set there house to 78 or drive less or fly commercial.

They become the monster they decry and they don’t even see it.

jharada on June 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM

a capella

You’re absolutely correct. Had Clinton not vetoed drilling in ANWR 10 yrs ago we’d be getting that oil today.

DerKrieger on June 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Obama, a man who wants the US to become a 3rd world country… – Spc O

Right on target.

Oh, if only we had children with flies walking all over their little faces, oh then the rest of the world would love us!

Tony737 on June 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM

They ABSOLUTELY want higher gas prices.

If you have any liberal friends, just ask them. I know a couple. They aren’t shy about it.

They WANT the price of oil to go up so we stop using it and convert our economy over to “alternative energy sources.”

Which, presumably, means magic pixie dust, or hopes and dreams and happy thoughts, or whatever the hell it is that fuels the fevered dreams of liberals.

benjamin on June 11, 2008 at 3:43 PM

The bulk of the Democrats have become Socialists pure and simple. The GOP could exploit this if only they had the courage to go after them. We are in for a dark 4 yrs if the Dems get solid majorities and the WH.

DerKrieger on June 11, 2008 at 3:43 PM

bayam on June 11, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Help me out here. Where did the massive regulation blockade on exploitation of energy resources originate and who continues to support the blockade??

a capella on June 11, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Does he have a bet with someone to see how many stupid things he can say and do before his adoring public will see the light? That’s gotta be it.

baldilocks on June 11, 2008 at 3:30 PM

heh

funky chicken on June 11, 2008 at 3:44 PM

People need to stop mixing alternative energy sources like wind, solar, and nuclear inthe same sentence as gas for automobiles. Politicians keep running the two together like they are the same thing.

DerKrieger on June 11, 2008 at 3:44 PM

And as for Obama’s “gradual” comment, that should also come as no shock. Liberals never want you to NOTICE the damage they’re doing. If it weren’t for the subterfuge of the slow boil, they’d never get anything past us.

benjamin on June 11, 2008 at 3:45 PM

I’m not sure that a lag period between starting a process and end results justifies never starting. I could be wrong.

a capella on June 11, 2008 at 3:39 PM

heh again

funky chicken on June 11, 2008 at 3:45 PM

I don’t mind the higher gas prices – I don’t LIKE paying $4.00 a gallon for gas, but I do think that this could make other energy sources more affordable. The problem is: no one’s really taking advantage of that. Hybrids are TOO expensive for a middle class family – at least, they’re too expensive for mine.

Note: I don’t like the $4.00 a gallon for gas and I wish it were cheaper, but I also wish a cheaper form of energy would come along. Until it does or we start drilling our own oil, we’re stuck in the hands of others.

kippras on June 11, 2008 at 3:46 PM

Finally a republican that makes sense. Now if Mitch can sit down with McCain and explain it too him, BO will be defeated.

swami on June 11, 2008 at 3:46 PM

They WANT the price of oil to go up so we stop using it and convert our economy over to “alternative energy sources.”

Actually, what they really want is for most people to “stop living” — meaning, die. That would remove Gaia’s “infection” and leave the planet for the evolved among us to enjoy unmolested by knuckle-dragging rabble who cling to their Bibles and guns.

Cicero43 on June 11, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Someone should seriously brief McCain on what the real story is here and get him to admit that he’s been misinformed and get with the program.

CP on June 11, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Thank you Senator Mitch McConnell for telling the truth of the matter. A shortage of oil is not the problem, DEMOCRATS are the problem. The have supported and passed a thousand laws, regulations and restriction on domestic oil production and have gradually strangled off our supplies for many years. Four and five dollar per gallon gas prices are the result.

DEMOCRATS are causing this perceived shortage of oil just like they did in the late 1970′s and early 1980′s just before Ronald Reagan became president. This is all political, there is no shortage of oil, the Democrats are intentionally strangling our economy in pursuit of their socialist goals.

Maxx on June 11, 2008 at 3:49 PM

We can’t stop growing worldwide demand for oil….so what? People want to have a better standard of living, and using oil help them achieve that.

And if demand grows, shouldn’t we help to meet the demand, and make a profit, and employ American citizens in meeting that demand?

funky chicken on June 11, 2008 at 3:49 PM

From the Headline thread:

I wonder if Obama is in favor of this approach. Wish someone would ask him. – a cap

Yes, agreed. I’d also like to see somebody ask Bill Klinton if he regrets his ANWR veto.

Tony737 on June 11, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Klinton has never had to answer for this mess, nor has his wife. I’d live to see Bush use an Executive Order to get it done.

Tony737 on June 11, 2008 at 3:49 PM

It is a pathetic joke that the people who are getting killed by higher gas taxes and will be hurt the most by higher taxes on gas are the poor and disadvantaged who are the base of the democratic party. They vote blindly for those who are hurting them the most. The dims have dumbed America down with a labor union (NEA)to the point where the majority of minority students are dropping out of school without even a high school diploma. This plus the fact they are reproducing at a 2 1/2 times faster than caucasions with a high percentage of births being out of wedlock. The democrats have set up a plantation system and their victims don’t have a clue.

volsense on June 11, 2008 at 3:49 PM

And if demand grows, shouldn’t we help to meet the demand, and make a profit, and employ American citizens in meeting that demand? – Funky Chicken

Funky for president!

Tony737 on June 11, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Gas prices at this level were foreseeable long ago to anyone living in the realm of reality. If you thought oil was a limitless resource and prices would stay low forever, and bought an SUV and a house 30 miles away from where you work, then you are simply paying for your bad judgement. I knew gas would skyrocket, so I live 5 miles from where I work, and my car and motorcycle both get nearly 40 mpg. Normally, I take the bus or a bicycle to work. I hope gas goes to $10 a gallon.

dave742 on June 11, 2008 at 3:51 PM

I don’t mind the higher gas prices – I don’t LIKE paying $4.00 a gallon for gas, but I do think that this could make other energy sources more affordable.

Couple of things here. First the high gas prices don’t just mean gas is more expensive. So will everything else that is dependent on petroleum. That means such things as food (shipping costs, fertilizer, farm equipment fuel, etc.) and plastics.

Second, high fuel prices don’t necessarily mean alternative fuel prices will become cheaper, especially when environmentalist are blocking the best solution, nuclear. The alternatives will just not seem as expensive.

SPCOlympics on June 11, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Actually, what they really want is for most people to “stop living” — meaning, die. –Cicero43 on June 11, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Also true, but teasing that admission out of my liberal friends requires a little more verbal jiu-jitsu.

benjamin on June 11, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Do the rest of the Democrats feel the same way?

Well, they certainly want them to stay high until election time. They recognize that our country is full of idiots who think Bush can flip a switch and lower prices, so the Dems get no backlash for the cost of oil/gas. They desperately want these high prices to remain at least through the election. And by the way, it wasn’t just Barbara Boxer claiming last week that they want to address the problem… Pelosi said they’d fix it when the Dems took power in 2006 (something that most of the country clearly doesn’t understand). Since they took office, the prices have skyrocketed and they’ve done nothing.

RightWinged on June 11, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Someone should seriously brief McCain on what the real story is here and get him to admit that he’s been misinformed and get with the program.

CP on June 11, 2008 at 3:49 PM

That isn’t going to happen. It didn’t happen on immigration reform, climate change, McCain-Feingold, windfall profits on big bad oil, or on McCain’s attack during the debates on the big bad US pharmaceutical industry, etc.

Get used to it.

JiangxiDad on June 11, 2008 at 3:54 PM

I knew gas would skyrocket, so I live 5 miles from where I work, and my car and motorcycle both get nearly 40 mpg. Normally, I take the bus or a bicycle to work. I hope gas goes to $10 a gallon.

Good for you Dave. I’m sure you’ll have no objection then when that $10 gas causes your groceries to double in price, prevents you from affording an airplane ticket, and causes your employer to go under.

Cicero43 on June 11, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Great TV ad. Oh wait, John’s just about the same on this one.

stenwin77 on June 11, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Second, high fuel prices don’t necessarily mean alternative fuel prices will become cheaper, especially when environmentalist are blocking the best solution, nuclear. The alternatives will just not seem as expensive.

SPCOlympics on June 11, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Again – stop confusing two separate energy issues. Gas for cars has nothing to do with nuclear power. We could have 100% nuclear and it wouldn’t affect the price of gasoline.

DerKrieger on June 11, 2008 at 3:58 PM

The Dems are going to change our habits whether we like it or not!!

Just like good parents.

DerKrieger on June 11, 2008 at 3:59 PM

They need to combat the consumer, force everyone to drive little crappy cars and bow down as the anointed liberals drive by in their gigantic SUVs.

benrand on June 11, 2008 at 4:00 PM

“Yah see, the higher the price of gas…..the more we can tax it!!!!”

Hening on June 11, 2008 at 4:01 PM

You’re absolutely correct. Had Clinton not vetoed drilling in ANWR 10 yrs ago we’d be getting that oil today.

DerKrieger on June 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Jay Leno

SlimyBill on June 11, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Again – stop confusing two separate energy issues. Gas for cars has nothing to do with nuclear power. We could have 100% nuclear and it wouldn’t affect the price of gasoline.

Yes, it won’t. But the transportation alternatives, electric or hydrogen fuel cars need electricity from the grid. If we had pervasive nuclear to supply cheap electricity, that would go along way to lowering everyone’s transportation costs even if oil stayed expensive.

SPCOlympics on June 11, 2008 at 4:02 PM

There are lots of clueless people when it comes to oil prices–they think we’re still living in the days of the Robber Barons. Even the Bill O’Bloviator Factor’s Talking Points called for a windfall profits tax from Congress. Let’s send him a few “pithy comments” about that!

Steve Z on June 11, 2008 at 4:04 PM

They do worse than nothing. The government imposes restrictions on exploration and drilling that don’t apply to foreign competitors.

SPCOlympics on June 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM

And it doesn’t look like it’s going to get any better, given the outcome of today’s senate debate.

I knew gas would skyrocket, so I live 5 miles from where I work, and my car and motorcycle both get nearly 40 mpg. Normally, I take the bus or a bicycle to work. I hope gas goes to $10 a gallon.

dave742 on June 11, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Good for you. sarc off/ Some of us don’t have a choice. BTW, Do you grow your own organic garden, too?

pullingmyhairout on June 11, 2008 at 4:04 PM

I’m sure environuts would just love to see high gas prices go even higher.

TheUnrepentantGeek on June 11, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Cicero43:
“causes your groceries to double in price”
I eat locally grown organic vegetables. The price is high, but they were just as high 5 years ago. I have seen no price increase for food. I guess if you’re eating food from another country, or from the other side of our own country, or food that is covered with petroleum-based pesticides, or meat, the story may be different.

“prevents you from affording an airplane ticket”
Less demand for flying is another benefit of higher prices. Thanks for reminding me. People should be able to entertain themselves without having to fly somewhere 4 times a year to do so.

“causes your employer to go under.”
My employment is not dependent on cheap gasoline. If it was, I would have looked for another job long ago.

dave742 on June 11, 2008 at 4:08 PM

I take the bus or a bicycle to work. I hope gas goes to $10 a gallon.

dave742 on June 11, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Uhhmm, Dave, did you know farmers use lots of fossil fuel to grow the food you eat? So, if you want to continue having food you can afford, should farmers/agribusiness receive a tax funded subsidy to help them stay in business by offsetting the cost of $10.00/gal gasoline and diesel? Gets kind of sticky, doesn’t it? Probably more to it than riding a bicycle.

a capella on June 11, 2008 at 4:14 PM

I thought the Dems promised everyone LOWER gas prices back in the 06 election if they won Congress. Well, they won Congress and gas prices are up from about $2.50 per gallon! Good Job Ms. Pelosi. Well Done. I am SO GLAD you were right on with this issue. /sarc off

Drill Here and Drill Now. Everyone needs to go sign the Newt petition he has started.

karenhasfreedom on June 11, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Help me out here. Where did the massive regulation blockade on exploitation of energy resources

It doesn’t matter, it’s a red herring. The US doesn’t have enough oil resources that can be quickly exploited to lower energy and gas prices. You can’t just drill shale out of the ground like crude.

All these politicians are just playing games and broadcasting cute sound bites. But generally they don’t seem to have a clue about how to actually lower energy prices over the long term.

Invading Russia and taking over their oil fields is a more realistic solution than what most of the buffoons in DC are proposing.

bayam on June 11, 2008 at 4:16 PM

dave742,

Are you a local community organizer? How’s the price of arugula?

Just curious because your situation is atypical. Our society can’t sustain feeding everyone with locally grown organic vegetables. Very few people can live close to work. Mass transit can only serve a subset of our population.

SPCOlympics on June 11, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Uh Oh…Furious backpedaling in 3…2…1

ronsfi on June 11, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Mayor Bloomberg in NYC is on the record as calling for higher energy taxes too.

lawhawk on June 11, 2008 at 4:18 PM

I really can’t wait for a McCain vs Obama debate. I just hope McCain has the stones to go after him and look so confused, treating him with cake gloves.
I can’t imagine how Obama has made it this far but I’m positive that the American public is dumb anough to think they’re making the right decision.

Geronimo on June 11, 2008 at 4:19 PM

dave742 on June 11, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Wow, Dave – where to start?

First, I can find locally grown vegetables here, but I have to DRIVE 25 miles to the nearest farmers market find them. And, it’s mostly grapefruit and oranges, with an occasional watermelon and some tomatoes thrown in for good measure. The only organic grocery store here is crappy and very expensive. Some of us on a budget or with a large family CAN’T AFFORD organic meat. Flip side, I can eat fresh local seafood and don’t have to feed my family shrimp imported from China.

Less demand for flying has the potential to put airlines out of business and therefore causing massive layoffs. This is a good thing??

I’m glad your employment is not dependent on cheap gas, but MANY people’s jobs ARE and they don’t have the good fortune (education, perhaps?) to find a better one.

Down here, oil and gas industry is our lifeblood. To see it crash would send horrible reverberations throughout our local and state economies.

The bottom line is, not many people are as lucky as you.

pullingmyhairout on June 11, 2008 at 4:21 PM

How are we slated to lose to this guy?? My God…

javamartini on June 11, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Taking a lesson from Hugo Chavez, Dear Leader moves too fast installing Marxism, the poeple will notice.

How can we lose, McANMESTY will find a way.

tarpon on June 11, 2008 at 4:27 PM

pullingmyhairout on June 11, 2008 at 4:21 PM

he just means that if you were a superior person like he, you wouldn’t be falling into all of the quaint messes that the common people do.

Imagine, buying an affordable house in the safe suburbs with good schools for the children. How quaint.

Clever Dave is probably single with no kids. Less messy and inconvenient that way. Knows how to recognize what’s in his self-interest.

Dave is enlightened. Show some respect.

JiangxiDad on June 11, 2008 at 4:28 PM

pullingmyhairout on June 11, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Why not grow your own veggies?

I do even here in Alaska. They start out slow, but by August I usually have enough for a while. And you on the other hand can buy a green house and grow them year roung, depending on where…

and don’t worry about what other people say. Just because some can do what other can’t they will be in the same boat if Obama gets elected. Or if we all let the Democrats run like they have been.

upinak on June 11, 2008 at 4:29 PM

I have a friend who is a complete atheist, and HE swears Fauxbama is the anti-Christ. Doesn’t get weirder than that. Anti-Christ I don’t know, but a fraud trained by Marxist extremists, yeah, he’s at least the reincarnation of Vlad Lenin….

adamsmith on June 11, 2008 at 4:32 PM

dave742 on June 11, 2008 at 4:08 PM

I know you are answering to another person but here is the reality. Most people live outside a city… 10 miles or more.

Some people depend on items that are cheaper. I got to the point 4 yrs ago I started growing my own veggies… it is a tedious job, but it helps in the long run.

Gas is a requirement for 85% of the people in the Nation. No matter what you do or how you do it, eventually you will need to use it. Either by means of personal vehicles, mass transit, flying, rail or boat. Foot work isn’t going to work for everyone and I don’t see Horses coming back into style quite yet.

As for some… employment is not always in your house. Some are lucky as other need a Hub for multiple workers. That is how it works in this Nation… and I don’t see it changing anytime soon.

upinak on June 11, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Less energy usage means less freedom, less mobility and easier control of the population. Of course the dems want higher prices.

unseen on June 11, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Well, if you look at who decided to start a war that greatly contributed to higher oil prices while promising sub $20 oil, it wasn’t the Democrats.

Oh bullcrap. What kind of revisionist history are you peddling? Take a look at how many of your precious “democrats” voted for the war, then try to continue lying through your teeth that it “wasn’t the Democrats” that voted for the war. Hell, that was the Obamessiah’s big selling point over Hillary – a (gasp) DEMOCRAT!

Oh, and can you point out a quote where the Republicans promised that the war would result in $20 oil, or is that just another fantasy?

Gads, the “war for oil” is immortal, a total fabrication, but apparently immortal (for some people)!

Fatal on June 11, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Dave must be one of those “Lightworker” types – probably an “artist” or else sells tie-dyed T-shirts to Deadheads from his bio-diesel powered volkswagon van and wonders why the rest of the world can’t do the same.

If everyone just ate organic veggies and sold home-made crafts we’d all live in a utopia third-world sh*t-hole.

Fatal on June 11, 2008 at 4:43 PM

SPCOlympic:
“Our society can’t sustain feeding everyone with locally grown organic vegetables.”
I don’t know why not. And if our society can’t sustain itself in that way, we better switch to a society that can, because it is going to happen anyway sooner or later.

“Very few people can live close to work”
Maybe not with each of them having a 2,500 square foot house and a backyard, but it is certainly possible.

Pullingmyhairout:
“Some of us on a budget or with a large family CAN’T AFFORD organic meat.”
Then don’t eat it. It is not necessary. I haven’t eaten any meat for 6 years, even thogh I love the taste of it. That’s the point. Sooner or later life is going to change for all of us. My point is why not face the fact instead of yelling “drill more” every time there is a threat to the unsustainable American way of life.

“I’m glad your employment is not dependent on cheap gas, but MANY people’s jobs ARE”
Yes, things are going to change, and it will be very hard on some. I may keep my job while others will lose theirs. I would prefer that our society were socialist, so my taxes would then go to retrain those who lose their jobs. As it is, those who lose their jobs may be homeless. Sorry, but that is not the society I want.

The point is that things are going to change no matter how much you decide to drill. Do you really thing that in 100 years life in the US will be anything close to what it is now? If so, you are in for some big surprises. With good leadership, the transition could be controllable and manageable. With the Republicrat leadership we have now, the transition promises to be similar to falling off a cliff, at least for those who cannot see it coming.

dave742 on June 11, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Yes, if we could all live the life of dave. How lovely. First off, I don’t know anyone that flies “four times a year.” Most families take a one week vacation every Summer and that’s about it. And so what if people do want to fly multiple times per year? Let me guess…global warming. The price of airline fuel is so ridiculous right now that many of us can’t afford to fly. I checked on a round trip ticket to visit friends in London. $1,900. I have been over there six times and never paid above $685. Most of the people I know that drive SUVs do so because they have children. I’m 6’5″–I’m not going to drive a compact car. I can barely fit into my wife’s Scion.

$10 gallon gas would literally kill people. The price of food is ridiculous right now because of transportation costs. My BIL had a great business as a local courier–now that’s all over, he can’t afford the gas for his van. I know of numerous landscaping companies that have went out of business this season because of the cost of fuel.

So you sit there in your little self-righteous world and brag about your organically grown food covered in feces and bacteria. If you want to live like a European, move to Europe.

The price of fuel affects EVERYTHING. This isn’t about SUV’s or living close to where you work–it’s about staying alive.

robblefarian on June 11, 2008 at 4:46 PM

I’ve said it before; I’ll say it again, and I’ll probably adjust the target upward. As long as government is the one that gets the money, the ‘Rats (and McCain) would be quite happy with $6/gallon gas.

steveegg on June 11, 2008 at 4:47 PM

This is such a winning issue for Republicans this year, if only McCain didn’t stand with the Dems on this issue.

jp on June 11, 2008 at 4:50 PM

robblefarian:
“The price of fuel affects EVERYTHING.”
So your answer is to simply drill more and we and our descendents can all just keep buying gas at $2.00 a gallon until the end of time. And people make “utopia” comments to me. Funny.
Things have to change. There is no way around it. How do you want that change to occur?

dave742 on June 11, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Hate to say it, but I think Obama’s right on this issue. I hope he flip-flops back due to pressure from Dumbacrats. But higher prices are simply the invisible hand in action, and it’s what we apparently need to drive us to make the tough decisions that we have put off for 30+ years.

I frankly don’t give a rats ass if the prices continue to rise. It’s going to be uncomfortable for a while. But we’ll be better off once we get it figured out. I’m also not convinced that drilling is a solution. It is only short-term, and leaves us with the illusion of solving the energy problem.

We need a solution that will free us from dependence on foreign oil. The only solution that I am aware of that we have current technology to produce is nuclear. I would pay an extra $1.00 per gallon now to fund a nuclear plant effort. That implies government intervention for that $1.00, so it’s not the best answer. I just want to get it started.

connertown on June 11, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Dave, are you a complete moron? In 100 years we’ll all be dead. People are hurting NOW. If you want to live in a socialist country, Cuba isn’t that far off. Those socialist countries have done so well. You better get back to the dailykos–they might miss you there.

You want to government to train people for new jobs when they lose the ones they have now? Are you serious? The government can’t pave roads, Dave. Haven’t you figured that out yet? Why would I trust the government to train me and put me in a job? What type of job would it be, Dave? I’m an artist, what can the government do for me? You gotta be kidding me. I would like to be a doctor! Maybe the government will train me to be one! And pay my mortgage while I do that! And pay my bills and feed my wife!

Unbelievable.

Haven’t you read ANYTHING about what’s going on in Europe right now? The tax rate is so high to support the older class and pensions, that younger workers are opting NOT to work. They screwed the pooch. Why work if 60% of your money is going to grandpa? Socialism doesn’t work. It never has.

robblefarian on June 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM

upinak on June 11, 2008 at 4:29 PM

I live in south Texas. I’ve tried my hand at tomatoes, but I just don’t have a green thumb. The possums manage to eat them before they turn ripe enough to pick. My yard isn’t big enough for a greenhouse, unfortunately.

Down here, vegetable gardens = rodents and rodents = rattlesnakes and I try to avoid rattlers at all costs, especially with a two kids and a really stupid lab who thinks all wind critters are her friends.

pullingmyhairout on June 11, 2008 at 4:56 PM

So your answer is to simply drill more and we and our descendents can all just keep buying gas at $2.00 a gallon until the end of time. And people make “utopia” comments to me. Funny.
Things have to change. There is no way around it. How do you want that change to occur?

Yup.

No one is claiming that oil will be around forever. But high gas prices do nothing for discovering new alternatives. If that were the case, Europeans would have discovered them 35 years ago. I’m finished feeding the troll.

robblefarian on June 11, 2008 at 4:58 PM

So there’s our presidential choices:

Mr. “I want higher gas prices.”

and…

Mr. “I’m not drilling for oil.”

You wanted them America. You got them!

Nice going…

Et tu Brute on June 11, 2008 at 4:58 PM

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