True, but with Sunni tribes, NOT a.q.

When it comes to a.q.: Kill ‘em all.

stillaneocon on June 11, 2008 at 12:33 PM

Updated: This means the result of the war in Iraq is the following:

(in no particular order)

1. Deposed dictator who was a threat to the region and his people and a supporter of terrorists;
2. Drew al Qaeda in a big way into Iraq where we could kill them far away from our own civilian populations;
3. The discredit of al Qaeda and their ideology by defeating them and exposing their tactics as the wrong way for the entire Islamic world;
4. Allowing the development of a 3rd way of political organization in the Islamic world that shows signs of promise (the 3rd way is representative government vs. secular or religious dictatorships—the 1st and 2nd ways).
5. Allowing Sunnis (and Shias) the opportunity to kill al Qaeda members with joy further discrediting them and their ideology and providing the opportunity for grassroots level Iraqis to take control over their own lives and decide for themselves to invest in a new Iraq.
6. Allowing a model of actual cooperation and peace to develop between Shia and Sunni {although it came after a local war and thousands of dead Iraqis to get there, but that’s better than another regional war between Iraq and Iran that would kill millions).
7. Islamic scholars and leaders around the world finally now have the courage of their convictions to speak openly against al Qaeda’s ideology (after they saw what side was winning in Iraq and Afghanistan);
8. Further evidence that kicking al Qaeda’s butt is better than kissing it.

Bush will look like a genius looking back in 20 years!

Still-A-Neocon

“We’ve known where he was for awhile now. I just thought we ought to exit the world stage at the same time- but in different ways.”

The Guardian admitting al Qaeda in Iraq defeated? File under: pigs fly. We’ve been noting for months the incredible decline in the number of al Qaeda propaganda videos coming out of Iraq over the past six months. In fact, many……

The future “Community Organizer and Chief” will likely have an outreach program on the table for the tierd and disaffected terrorist in your neighborhood.

rockmom on June 11, 2008 at 12:48 PM

Tony737 on June 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM

Developing a model of cooperation is now added to the list of Iraq War results (as is further evidence that kicking al Qaeda’s butt is better than kissing it).

Still-A-Neocon

The use of close air support to chase down Taliban ambush teams has decimated their forces …

What? Ya mean there’s MORE proof that KICKIN’ their azz works better than kissin’ it???

stillaneocon on June 11, 2008 at 12:33 PM

You can add to that a developing model of actual cooperation and peace between Shia and Sunni. It is horrible that it took a local war and thousands of dead Iraqis to get there, but that’s better than another regional war between Iraq and Iran that would have killed millions.

Worst possible thing right now would be to kill Osama bin Laden and make him a martyr. Bush has taken a brutal beating over his “failure” to capture or kill bin Laden, but I think he knew what he was doing all along – isolating bin Laden while killing all of his lieutenants and forcing him to watch the dismemberment of his movement. Death is what he wanted. Defeat and irrelevancy is what he is getting.

The simple truth is this. When you kill enough of the people who were trying to kill you and yours then they stop trying to kill you and try to preserve what they have left. That’s the way all successful wars end.

Keep killing them, boys! You’re making this old E-9 proud!!!

They’ve been doing that since the day they got there. Let this be a lesson to all jihadis, this is what happens when try to fight the Western Powers.

1. Deposed dictator who was a threat to the region and his people and a supporter of terrorists;
2. Drew al Qaeda in a big way into Iraq where we could kill them far away from our own civilian populations;
3. The discredit of al Qaeda and their ideology by defeating them and exposing their tactics as the wrong way for the entire Islamic world;
4. Allowing Sunnis (and Shias) the opportunity to kill al Qaeda members with joy further discrediting them and their ideology and providing the opportunity for grassroots level Iraqis to take control over their own lives and decide for themselves to invest in a new Iraq.
5. Islamic scholars and leaders around the world finally now have the courage of their convictions to speak openly against al Qaeda’s ideology (after they saw what side was winning in Iraq and Afghanistan);

Does this make Bush a genius looking back in 20 years?

Still-A-Neocon

At the end, the Guardian quotes an expert claiming that AQ will rebuild if the next American administration follows the Bush policies in the Middle East

Amazing. They finally come around to acknowledging the positive results, but they can’t resist throwing out this nonsense. I guess the world is at peace again, and we can all go back to ignoring the threat.

Thank God for Bush taking the war to them! Better to fight & beat them there than here.

jgapinoy on June 11, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Amen

The world will probably never have the ability to see what was accomplished by President Bush in terms of world peace. I also don’t expect many thank yous to the men and women that actually “took it” to them either.

At the end, the Guardian quotes an expert claiming that AQ will rebuild if the next American administration follows the Bush policies in the Middle East.

If the Guardian was a bank, it would be Porky Mutual.

“Yeah, but….”

Chuck Schick

…and Sec of State Murtha to redeploy the troops to Okinawa.

I know this because I saw it on Baracky’s website. Wait…they just scrubbed that part and replaced it with a short piece extolling Obama’s solid support of the surge.

As state actors, I think they represent a different and more traditional type of threat.

JiangxiDad on June 11, 2008 at 11:53 AM

I agree with you. They should be easier to take out…under normal circumstances. I wouldn’t be so afraid if the leading Presidential candidate wasn’t such a softie on Iran. Hopefully Bush will be able to make some progress in this department before Barry O takes office.

Sure, AQ has been mostly defeated, but the Iranian backed Mahdi Army and similar shia extremists are still strong.

malan89 on June 11, 2008 at 11:43 AM

As state actors, I think they represent a different and more traditional type of threat.