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Obama’s Panama?

posted at 9:15 am on June 10, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Was Barack Obama born in Hawaii or somewhere else, or did he just change a name? Jim Geraghty looks at rumors running around about Obama’s supposed secrecy on his birth, and runs down three scenarios of what the campaign may want to hide. Their refusal to produce a birth certificate has stoked some of the speculation:

Having done some Obama-rumor debunking that got praise from Daily Kos (a sign of the apocalypse, no doubt), perhaps the Obama campaign could return the favor and help debunk a bunch of others with a simple step: Could they release a copy of his birth certificate?

Reporters have asked for it and been denied, and the state of Hawaii does not make such records public.

The campaign cited the birth certificate in their “Fact Check” on William Ayers, so presumably, someone in the campaign has access to it.

Jim runs down three possible issues, finding them “unlikely” but still compelling:

  1. Obama was not born in the US, but in Kenya.
  2. Obama’s middle name was Mohammed, not Hussein (but then why change it to another Arabic name?)
  3. His real first name is “Barry”.

I guess having seen McCain run through the MSM wringer over his birth at a naval base in Panama, these questions should be more compelling to me than they are. Having debated the nature of McCain’s citizenship, Obama should produce his birth certificate to make it all even, redacting any information that could be useful for identity theft (although it won’t have a Social Security number on it as those were not automatically assigned in 1961). The campaign references his birth certificate as a strange defense of his association with William Ayers, so it should make the record public.

However, does anyone really believe any of these potential scenarios? As Jim points out himself, the first two almost instantly get tossed out due to statements by friends and family going back years. Presumably, the schools that Obama attended in Hawaii and later in the US would have seen his birth certificate during the enrollment process, and no one has ever implied that Obama was anything less than a natural-born citizen. If someone wanted to change their middle name from Mohammed to keep political options open, Hussein would not be the name that replaces it.

That applies to the third scenario as well, and changing a first name from Barry to Barack in order to match one’s father would mean nothing in terms of the political standing of the candidate. I’m reminded that Gary Hart changed his last name from Hartpence to Hart, and that turned into nothing more than a nine-day wonder when it came out in the 1984 campaign. Barry to Barack seems even less noteworthy.

I’d say this sounds like a distraction, but then again, I thought the entire McCain-Panama was a distraction as well, and the Senate wound up having to vote on his status as a citizen to quiet the media. Only the first scenario has any relation to Obama’s status as a candidate, and the release of his birth certificate will put an end to the distractions.


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I wnatwant you to know that.

Must be the MB4 synDROMe…

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Obama is not a muslim? How do you know that?

On March 14th, 2007, the Obama Campaign told the LA Times that Obama was not a “practicing Muslim.”

But Muslims do not see practice as key. For them, that Obama was born to a line of Muslim males makes him born a Muslim. Further, all children born with an Arabic name based on the H-S-N trilateral root can be assumed to be Muslim, so they will understand Obama’s full name, Barack Hussein Obama, to proclaim him a born Muslim.

There is no dispute among either ancient or modern Muslim scholars that under Islamic law, a murtadd, “one who turns his back on Islam,” an apostate, must be put to death. Irtidad, apostasy, is committing treason against God, and traitors deserve to be killed. At a minimum, other Muslims would shun him if not kill him and his mother. The fact they are eagerly welcomed by the Muslim community begs the question, is he their ‘Manchurian’ candidate?

Obama’s father was a Muslim. Obama’s grandfather was a Muslim. Obama’s stepfather was a Muslim. Sarah, who Obama calls grandmother is a Muslim. Obama’s stepbrothers and stepsisters are Muslims.

Obama’s sister Maya was quoted by the New York Times as saying, “My whole family was Muslim.”

For a time, he was educated and lived as a Muslim. Only Obama knows what he is today.

All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school and a young Barry Soetoro, being registered as a Muslim, was required to study Islam daily in school.

He was taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.

In his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” Obama mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as “a Muslim school.”

According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama’s teachers and the principal from 1971 through 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. His teacher was named Maimunah and she lived in the Puncak area, the Cianjur Regency.

“I remembered that he had studied “mengaji” (recitation of the Quran)” Tine said.

Obama himself recalls, “In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies.”

Our guy in Jakarta writes: “The actual usage of the word ‘mengaji’ in Indonesian and Malaysian societies means the study of learning to recite the Quran in the Arabic language rather than the native tongue. “Mengagi” is a word and a term that is accorded the highest value and status in the mindset of fundamentalist societies here in Southeast Asia. To put it quite simply, ‘mengaji classes’ are not something that a non practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to. To put this in a Christian context, this is something above and beyond simply enrolling your child in Sunday school classes.”

“The fact that Obama had attended mengaji classes is well known in Indonesia and has left many there wondering just when Obama is going to come out of the closet.”

“As I’ve stated before, the evidence seems to quite clearly show that both Ann Dunham and her husband Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo were in fact devout Muslims themselves and they raised their son as such.”

In 2007, Obama’s classmate Rony Amiris describes young Barry as enjoying playing football and marbles and of being a very devout Muslim. Amir said, “Barry was previously quite religious in Islam.

“We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong he looked funny,” said Rony.

Amiris now the manager of the Bank Mandiri, Jakarta, recently said, “Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya. Before marrying Ann Dunham, Hussein Obama was married to a woman from Kenya who had seven children. All the relatives of Barry’s father were very devout Muslims”

Rony extrapolates further, that Obama at one point had to change his religion if he ever intended later to run for the office of President of the United States because America would never elect a Muslim to the be President of the United States.

In 2007, Emirsyah Satar, CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, “He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a ’sarong’, at that time.”

“He was quite religious in Islam but only after marrying Michelle, he changed his religion.”

On February 27th, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth.”

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, “with a first-class [Arabic] accent.

The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

“Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet… ”

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim’s complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.

Obama knows this from his Quranic studies — and he knows the New York Times will publish this fact and it will be seen throughout the world.

Yet Barack Hussein Obama refuses the national anthem.

SaintOlaf on June 10, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Obama is not a muslim? How do you know that?

SaintOlaf on June 10, 2008 at 7:18 PM

If he says he’s not a Muslim he’s not a Muslim. We don’t live under religious law and respect the choices people make for themselves. Sharia interpretation of what Obama is is not relevant to us nor should it be. He is a Black Liberation Theologist though and there is enough material in the fact to rub his nose in it continuously.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Hey RB, I find it curious that BHO used , what could be argued , similar tactics to get elected to the Ill. State senate , that Cair uses. Taking EVERYTHING to it’s finite point to achieve it’s goals. I’m sure you read that thread about CNN’s expose’. Do you understand where we all are coming from? From where I stand, there’re just too many questions.

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 7:29 PM

upinak on June 10, 2008 at 7:25 PM

There’s a gap between simply being a citizen and being a natural-born citzen.

SaintOlaf on June 10, 2008 at 7:18 PM

That made me lol, thanks.

12thman on June 10, 2008 at 7:30 PM

If he says he’s not a Muslim he’s not a Muslim. We don’t live under religious law and respect the choices people make for themselves. Sharia interpretation of what Obama is is not relevant to us nor should it be. He is a Black Liberation Theologist though and there is enough material in the fact to rub his nose in it continuously.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Aren’t they allowed to “LIE”????

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Aren’t they allowed to “LIE”????

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Anyone is allowed to lie, but harping on this issue is not a winner for us. There is no evidence that he has been a practicing Muslim during his adult life. Harp on his Black Liberation Theology instead.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Karl Rove:

“It is a bad idea to try to defeat Obama by saying he is muslim….wait a second…according to internal polling,it is the only way we will defeat him…nevermind, fire away!”

SaintOlaf on June 10, 2008 at 7:40 PM

12thman on June 10, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Yeah I think HA may have ate a statement.

But either way… if you are a child born out of country to a American Parent… to get a passport youhave to show the BC of the country you were born in, if they are up to par. And you have to show a marriage cert.

Marriage Certs can be looked at and are under the FOIA. As are Death Certs. And archivals of births and deaths are usually Public Info anywhere in this Nation, even if it is a out of country adoption. It doesn’t have to say much…. but it does have to state Name, Country of Original Orgin (if out of Nation birth) if trying to obtain State Citizenship. All you have to do is go down to the Court House and look in their files, and some are online.

upinak on June 10, 2008 at 7:41 PM

All you have to do is go down to the Court House and look in their files, and some are online.

upinak on June 10, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Each state is different. Only I or someone I designate can access my BC here in Michigan. Now if I were dead the law may change and my BC may become publicly accessible. But while alive you can not access without my permission.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 7:44 PM

SaintOlaf on June 10, 2008 at 7:18 PM

you’re barking up the wrong tree here… Christians wet themselves in the presence of people they “think” saw the light and left another religion in favor of theirs… it helps them to rationalize/justify their own beliefs, that’s why they see the need to travel to other countries and evangelize them. in hopes that they will be confirmed in the eventual conversion… much like my ancestor have had happen to them.
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I think that these are very serious points… he is obviously a converted Muslim and should embrace and explain his past no matter his conversion… the fact he hides and dilutes the story is proof of how dangerous his advisers see this issue.
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but remember Christians love a convert… so perhaps we should save this for further down the line so he can’t flip flop on the issue and explain it away.

Kaptain Amerika on June 10, 2008 at 7:46 PM

I have confidence that Obama is native born. If anyone could detect a disqualifier it would be the folks in Hillary’s oppo research group. I am sure they have been all over it. But wait a minute. Maybe they will have an “August Surprise.”

Stand by.

Corky Boyd on June 10, 2008 at 7:46 PM

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 7:37 PM

OK…. So if we follow your logic …ummm… are you an Obama operative?
Hey… There is the Christian Right….so a Christian Left , however extreme it is ….is somehow easy to get by us ….ummm food for thought….

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 7:50 PM

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 7:44 PM

True in some states.. but property laws are odd too.

State and County Databases are not totally in the know. What the States deem “confidential” the counties have them out in clear veiw.

upinak on June 10, 2008 at 7:52 PM

OK…. So if we follow your logic …ummm… are you an Obama operative?
Hey… There is the Christian Right….so a Christian Left , however extreme it is ….is somehow easy to get by us ….ummm food for thought….

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 7:50 PM

You lost me.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 7:54 PM

So, his real name is a homophone for Bury Mohammed?

Now, there’s change, and action, I can believe in.

franksalterego on June 10, 2008 at 7:54 PM

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Answer the question.

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 7:55 PM

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 7:55 PM

Was, “You lost me.” not clear enough? I need clarification boss. I am not sure what your question is.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Are you an Obama op.?

2nd question: did you read the thread about Cnn’s expose’ about BHO’s tactics?

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 7:59 PM

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM

He is asking if you are a obamanite!

upinak on June 10, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Kaptain Amerika on June 10, 2008 at 7:46 PM

So what you’re saying is that Obama is really a Muslim but we Christians just don’t want to admit it so that we can validate a belief in something greater than ourselves.

That’s frighteningly stuporous analysis.

12thman on June 10, 2008 at 8:02 PM

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Are you an Obama op.?

2nd question: did you read the thread about Cnn’s expose’ about BHO’s tactics?

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 7:59 PM

I guess you have never read any of my other posts around here. No, I can not stand the man. And no, I did not CNN’s expose on his tactics.

Please tell me how me saying we should instead focus on the cesspool that is Black Liberation Theology instead of his supposed Muslimness somehow paints me as an Obama dupe.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 8:03 PM

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 8:03 PM

You still didn’t ans the question. Be that as it may , you should find that thread and… well…
I just find it curious that we are faced with these two extremes in religion concerning a potential POTUS.

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 8:08 PM

I think it’s called “bait and switch”

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 8:09 PM

You still didn’t ans the question. Be that as it may , you should find that thread and… well…
I just find it curious that we are faced with these two extremes in religion concerning a potential POTUS.

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Are you farking kidding me? I said no to both questions. I am done with this quite irrational conversation with you.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 8:11 PM

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 8:11 PM

You never ans the question, DIRECTLY,…Nuance.

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 8:14 PM

James, dude, I think that communication is not happening between you and me. What I meant by “debating the distinction” was debating mentioning the distinction. I decided not to in order to avoid mentioning what kind of SC I had–most certainly unmentionable. But since you keep mentioning that the distinction exists, I have to explain why I avoided mentioning that existence for credibility’s sake…my own.

As far as I’m concerned, it is…I don’t work for the VA or the DMV, so I have no need to see it.

James on June 10, 2008 at 2:23 PM
That’s not the impression that your words gave

I’ve got it figured out already
however, that may still be part of the miscommunication. It seemed as though you were questioning whether I was really telling the truth. If you were not, then, no harm, no foul.

baldilocks on June 10, 2008 at 2:42 PM

OK, because there are a lot of military people who don’t know everything about everything in the security classification world, me certainly being one of them, I never intended to call your integrity into question…but you posted one thing that I know for a fact to be incorrect. I corrected that, and that only, because your career field was miles away from my own and I have to trust you on your job requirements and duties. However, I have known legal immigrant noncitizens who have been awarded one of the lesser-known (read: almost useless) security clearances…I have known people from the same category who have had to wait until their citizenships have become final before they get upgraded to a ‘typical’ clearance. And, as I posted earlier, I have known people who never intended to become US citizens who have received security clearances due to the work that they do for us. Now obviously, some of these clearances are at different levels than others, and none of these people would qualify for the highest levels. And I shouldn’t go into any more detail than that.

The ‘I’ve got it figured out already’ spoke to my experience with noncitizens and their security clearances, not yours. I didn’t suspect you were lying, just that you didn’t know the truth. Don’t worry, there’s plenty of that on my side, too.

James on June 10, 2008 at 8:16 PM

I guess you have never read any of my other posts around here. No, I can not stand the man. And no, I did not CNN’s expose on his tactics.

Please tell me how me saying we should instead focus on the cesspool that is Black Liberation Theology instead of his supposed Muslimness somehow paints me as an Obama dupe.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 8:03 PM

FTR
I’m here almost every day….and yes I know how to read….
I just don’t post everyday.

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Maybe he really comes from heaven? Ask any Dhimmicrat.

Mojave Mark on June 10, 2008 at 8:31 PM

All this distraction! You do realize that Obama is hoping for a change to the US Constitution?

OldEnglish on June 10, 2008 at 8:49 PM

THERE IS NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

WHICH IS EITHER PROOF HE IS A FOREIGNER

OR PROOF HE IS THE MESSIAH…

reliapundit on June 10, 2008 at 8:57 PM

SECOND LOOK AT FOREIGN-BORN POTUSES!!!

wccawa on June 10, 2008 at 9:04 PM

SECOND LOOK AT FOREIGN-BORN POTUSES!!!
PROSTITUTES….just works don’t cha know!

wccawa on June 10, 2008 at 9:04 PM

dmann on June 10, 2008 at 9:13 PM

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 8:28 PM

He answered your questions. No nuance.

Connie on June 10, 2008 at 10:01 PM

According to them they were married, in Secret, on Maui… not Mexico as someone said earlier in this thread…

Romeo13 on June 10, 2008 at 3:52 PM

McCain’s parents were married in Mexico. Maybe that is what you read since I mentioned that in this thread.

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 10:21 PM

As outlined by the United States State Department:
Only ONE parent need be a U.S. Citizen. Below is the requirement based on a U.S. citizen mother and non-citizen father (in or out of wedlock)….

1) Born to a U.S. citizen mother
The U.S. citizen mother must have been physically present in the United States for a continuous period of at least one year before the child’s birth. This period of presence may have been at any time before the child’s birth. If this requirement is met, the child acquires U.S. citizenship under the provisions of Section 309(c) of the United States Immigration and Nationality Act.

Argument over. Doesn’t matter if he was born on Krypton. The mother had been a resident of the United States and resided there for a period of at least one year ANY TIME BEFORE the birth.

Thread closed.

Limerick on June 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM

Other questions linger on Obama as well. Enough already. Read the seriously deep “America Is A Racist Nation” at http://www.countryaboveself.com it goes online 6/11/2008 and if you pay close enough attention.. you’ll learn something you never thought you would.

ilitigant on June 10, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Limerick on June 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM

Uh, thread open… thats the CURRENT law, not the law at the time.

Romeo13 on June 10, 2008 at 11:27 PM

Thread closed.

Limerick on June 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM

I question the timing.

wccawa on June 10, 2008 at 11:32 PM

Umm,I’m under the impression,that from the word
go,whatever your applying for,you better dam(n)
well have a birth certificate!

And running for any office,don’t you have to
have all your id ducks in line!

canopfor on June 10, 2008 at 11:32 PM

Who gave Lim the keys to any thread? They must have had too much beer :)

Entelechy on June 10, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Romeo13 on June 10, 2008 at 11:27 PM

1952

OldEnglish on June 10, 2008 at 11:37 PM

Let’s see… in the last six months, I had to renew my Merchant Marine license (birth certificate) and apply for my TWIC card (birth certificate).

Does this somehow make me ineligible to run for POTUS?

wccawa on June 10, 2008 at 11:37 PM

I vote we duke it out until 4am.

RushBaby on June 10, 2008 at 11:38 PM

thread closed.
Limerick on June 10,2008 at 10:32PM.

Limerick: Damm!t Limerick,your right,I’ve just
read the fine print,I quote.

Section 1,paragraph 9,line 17.

“He who haveth the best argument,and the righteous
and un-arguable comment,hasith the power and right
to close said thread,at his or her liesure or
discretion”! ha ha :)

canopfor on June 10, 2008 at 11:39 PM

Sorry Romeo….the INA was established in 1952. The law has not be changed, only amended…..1957, 1986, 1990 and every year since. The current law IS the law as applies to children born to American parents regardless of year of birth between 1952 and 2008.

Miss Entelechy…..no beer, no vodka, chewing on an old brandy bottle until tomorrow.

Limerick on June 10, 2008 at 11:41 PM

Who gave Lim the keys to any thread?
Entelechy on June 10,2008 at 11:36PM.

Entelechy: I thought you were the Key Keeper! ha ha :)

canopfor on June 10, 2008 at 11:42 PM

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 8:28 PM
He answered your questions. No nuance.

Connie on June 10, 2008 at 10:01 PM

I asked if he worked for obama…not if he liked him.
If there was a “.” after “No”, I’d have to agree but there was a “,“…
Nuance…

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 11:45 PM

I vote we duke it out until 4am.

RushBaby on June 10, 2008 at 11:38 PM

No one would notice the “party” here, but I have no idea where you get all that energy from RushBaby. You must be a night owl.

canopfor, I’ll just aim to keep some spirits up, not the alcoholic kinds, though some mine are down too, like now.

Entelechy on June 10, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Come on guys…I only wanted to hold the keys….honest.

Limerick on June 10, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Well Lim, is it good Brandy?

Entelechy on June 10, 2008 at 11:46 PM

If you’d be the key-keeper, Lim, we’d have it made.

Entelechy on June 10, 2008 at 11:46 PM

If I remember right…

Limerick on June 10, 2008 at 11:47 PM

If you’d be the key-keeper, Lim, we’d have it made.

Entelechy on June 10, 2008 at 11:46 PM

If (Allah forbid) that ever did happen I’d ban the following words: RINO, DINO, and WINO.

Limerick on June 10, 2008 at 11:49 PM

Since we are piling on Obama, here is an interesting CNN clip about his 1996 Illionois Senate run. This “new” politician sure plays old style hard ball.

Obama kicks opponents off the ballot in 1996

This reminds me of the disenfranchisement of the FL and MI voters. I am in Michigan and I am still amazed at how they assigned him delegates out of thin air when “uncommitted” was a legal vote preference on the ballot. Wow.

karenhasfreedom on June 10, 2008 at 11:50 PM

Lim, I could live without those – so long as there are ribs and there’s beer (for those who care to have any).

Entelechy on June 10, 2008 at 11:52 PM

If (Allah forbid) that ever did happen I’d ban the following words: RINO, DINO, and WINO.

Limerick on June 10, 2008 at 11:49 PM

Hey! I resemble at least two of those remarks.

RushBaby on June 10, 2008 at 11:54 PM

karenhasfreedom on June 10, 2008 at 11:50 PM

Thank you for bringing my second question to “notcoach”, to the thread.

jerrytbg on June 10, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Entelechy on June 10, 2008 at 11:52 PM

Tomorrow is stuffed pork tenderloin and beer. Good enuf?

Limerick on June 10, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Limerick on June 10, 2008 at 11:54 PM

You simply MUST post your recipe. I made the souffle (sp?) you posted, it was quite good. Have you considered adding some cream of mushroom soup to it as an alternative?

RushBaby on June 10, 2008 at 11:58 PM

RushBaby on June 10, 2008 at 11:58 PM

No…but sounds good. Thanks for the tip-o-the-hat.

I’ll do a photobucket link to the tenderloin recipe. It’ll give me something to do other then mow the yard and kick the dogs.

Limerick on June 11, 2008 at 12:00 AM

Lim, anything you’ll cook, from what you’ve posed, should be great. RushBaby and I will pay you a visit one of these days/years. Texas bbq will be perfect :)

Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 12:00 AM

Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 12:00 AM

Whatever you do don’t bring Barry.

Limerick on June 11, 2008 at 12:02 AM

You’d never kick the dogs. We know better. They are one of the miracles of life.

Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 12:03 AM

I see, you’re bringing us back on topic Lim :) Not to worry, I’m not aflicted with whatever ails Chris Mattews and the other emptyheads.

Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 12:04 AM

Matthews that is, the guy covered in a viscous substance, lately.

Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 12:04 AM

And Lim, that should have been “from what you’ve posted”, not posed. It’s RB who’s the WINO, but I show the symptoms :)

Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 12:06 AM

Here’s something to cheer everyone up,and
it”s exactly how I feel about America,don’t
know if you guy’s have seen it before!

The American’s: A Canadian Opinion by
Gordon Sinclair!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ_okAgAUGE&feature=related

canopfor on June 11, 2008 at 12:08 AM

Me Wino. E polyglot.

RushBaby on June 11, 2008 at 12:09 AM

RushBaby, you’re a man who can say so much, in so few words. It’s a real talent.

Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 12:10 AM

canopfor on June 11, 2008 at 12:08 AM

LOL..good stuff! Just put it in my favorites folder.

Eh, thanks!

Limerick on June 11, 2008 at 12:15 AM

A little decorum, please?

Everytime someone says “Chris Matthews,” I get a little tingle up my leg.

Think of the children, dammit!!!

wccawa on June 11, 2008 at 12:17 AM

canopfor, I just watched that, thanks. Of course we know it’s just “propaganda”. It’s always amazing to see the list, and how ‘hated’ she is, while she tolerates all the envy and all the things thrown at her, patiently, knowing her might.

Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 12:17 AM

At this hour the children should be in bed, wccawa.

Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 12:18 AM

Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 12:18 AM

An excellent point. And I am doing just that, just now…

wccawa on June 11, 2008 at 12:22 AM

LOL.
Limerick on June 11,2008 at 12:15PM.

Limerick: I’ve got Red Skelton’s “Pledge of Allegiance”
in my vast favorites archives as well!

That video by Gordon Sinclair is the garlic
and stake to use against Liberals,its so
painfully true!

And I love how you guys turned this into
the H/A cooking channel! Ha ha :) :) :).

canopfor on June 11, 2008 at 12:23 AM

We need an HA convention. Coat and gun check table at the door of course.

Limerick on June 11, 2008 at 12:27 AM

The American’s: A Canadian Opinion by
Gordon Sinclair!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ_okAgAUGE&feature=related

canopfor on June 11, 2008 at 12:08 AM

Bless you, canopfor. It’s just Tuesday and you Made My Week.

My Dad’s up in Canada this week visiting family. We Heart Canada!

RushBaby on June 11, 2008 at 12:27 AM

I just watched that.
Entelechy on June 11,2008 at 12:17AM.

Entelechy: That was deeply imprinted into my memory
banks about 30 years ago,it was true then,
and it is even more truer now!

Thats why it makes me sick to hear idiots
talk about and besmirch America!

canopfor on June 11, 2008 at 12:30 AM

Food, wine and whackjobbery all on one great page. :-)

baldilocks on June 11, 2008 at 12:32 AM

We need an HA convention. Coat and gun check table at the door of course.

Limerick on June 11, 2008 at 12:27 AM

There’s one planned for later this year. Take this down as part 1 of my contact info: private

RushBaby on June 11, 2008 at 12:32 AM

We need an HA convention. Coat and gun check table at the door of course.

Limerick on June 11, 2008 at 12:27 AM

And masks on. If AP doesn’t show his face, I won’t show mine either.

baldi, nothing wrong with that :)

canopfor, they’ll know how good she was, when she’ll be no more. Then, it will be too late.

Entelechy on June 11, 2008 at 12:35 AM

We need a HA convention.
Limerick on June 11,2008 at 12:27AM.

Limerick: Will hold it right next door to the
DNConvention,and operate a Liberal
political detox centre,to bring
the lefty’s back to reality,the
rest of them will get an exorcism!

Oh,better let Entelechy hold on to
the keys to the convention centre! haha :)

canopfor on June 11, 2008 at 12:38 AM

Then it will be too late.
Entelechy on June 11,2008 at 12:35AM.

Entelechy: Amen on that,tru dat!
Oh,the H/A convention is a twofer,
doubleing as a masquerade ball! haha :)

canopfor on June 11, 2008 at 12:45 AM

canopfor, make travel plans. You’re invited too.

RushBaby on June 11, 2008 at 12:46 AM

You’re invited too.
RushBaby on June 11,2008 at 12:46AM.

RushBaby: Thank-you,so excellent!

canopfor on June 11, 2008 at 12:50 AM

Good night, all… tomorrow will be a better day. Although day was really not TOOOO bad.

wccawa on June 11, 2008 at 12:50 AM

Isn’t he the one that demanded that signatures of his “friends” be checked before they were on the ticket?
So what is wrong with just making sure he is a natural born citizen?

right2bright on June 11, 2008 at 12:51 AM

He was born of a virgin…blah, blah, blah.

SouthernGent on June 11, 2008 at 12:58 AM

Interesting, a bit anyway

MB4 on June 11, 2008 at 1:11 AM

MB4 on June 11, 2008 at 1:11 AM

That was interesting. My profile matched Anwar Sadat.

RushBaby on June 11, 2008 at 1:32 AM

That was interesting. My profile matched Anwar Sadat.

RushBaby on June 11, 2008 at 1:32 AM

So did mine!

MB4 on June 11, 2008 at 2:03 AM

Heh. I’m Andrew Jackson.

baldilocks on June 11, 2008 at 2:20 AM

Hey, it’s even more interesting to re-take the test and give the opposite answers to what you actually believe and answered on the first go-round.

That way I match John F. Kennedy.

MB4 on June 11, 2008 at 3:08 AM

Well, I’m not going to make any bets either way ;-) as intriguing as it may be, and as much as I’d like for the worst case scenario to be true.

But I’m not so sure about this:

….Presumably, the schools that Obama attended in Hawaii and later in the US would have seen his birth certificate during the enrollment process, and no one has ever implied that Obama was anything less than a natural-born citizen ….

I’m a good bit older than B.O. but I’m pretty sure I never had to show a birth certificate to get into school…. even the Military Academy. First time I ever had to actually present a birth certificate was to get a Passport when I became a regular ol’ civilian.

Do most or all schools, even now require birth certificates? I thought, that despite 9-11 and because of the pandering to illegals that you only needed a utility bill, rent receipt or something to prove that you reside in the district, not whether you are there legally or are a citizen.

The way most of our federal courts are, I’d be surprised if asking for a birth certificate was even legal.

Not having any kids though, my actual knowledge of such things is nonexistent.

LegendHasIt on June 11, 2008 at 3:24 AM

Crap, I’m Anwar Sadat too. I wanted to be Churchill, although Andy Jackson would have been fine too..

Lousy test though. Rarely are there only two answers in a complex situation like that. For instance:

A terrorist bomb has exploded in the downtown of your capital city — killing several civilians, including children. You suspect that the terrorist group that carried out the attack is hiding out in Romelia’s territory, just inside its border with your country. Because of the severity of the attack, Romelia has given you permission to enter its airspace to bomb the base camps of the terrorists.

You believe you have two choices: You can order your jets to bomb the terrorist base camps. You believe you have a moderate chance of destroying the base camps and impairing the ability of the terrorists to carry out this kind of attack again.

Alternatively, you can choose to not respond to the bombing. In so doing, you can gain regional sympathy. You can use this sympathy to force the terrorist organization into negotiations and force concessions through your diplomatic savvy.

Choice #1:
Bomb the base camps. You believe the only way to deal with this terrorist group is with military force, not negotiation.

Choice #2:
Resist the urge to bomb the base camps. Use the international goodwill you receive to force concessions from the terrorist group.

In that situation, I’d have sent in a SpecOps to do the job relatively quietly…. with or without the permission of the Romelia government.

LegendHasIt on June 11, 2008 at 3:36 AM

HEH.. TR on the leadership test that follows. Thank God; I’d have had to shoot myself if it had said I was Weasley Clark

LegendHasIt on June 11, 2008 at 3:45 AM

Hmm. How could one give bad enough answers to get to be Clark on that leadership test?. Picking the opposites of my actual answers only made me Westmoreland… Bad enough, sure, but still better than Clark.

LegendHasIt on June 11, 2008 at 3:55 AM

MB4 on June 11, 2008 at 1:11 AM

JFK here.

OldEnglish on June 11, 2008 at 5:02 AM

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