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posted at 9:15 am on June 10, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Was Barack Obama born in Hawaii or somewhere else, or did he just change a name? Jim Geraghty looks at rumors running around about Obama’s supposed secrecy on his birth, and runs down three scenarios of what the campaign may want to hide. Their refusal to produce a birth certificate has stoked some of the speculation:

Having done some Obama-rumor debunking that got praise from Daily Kos (a sign of the apocalypse, no doubt), perhaps the Obama campaign could return the favor and help debunk a bunch of others with a simple step: Could they release a copy of his birth certificate?

Reporters have asked for it and been denied, and the state of Hawaii does not make such records public.

The campaign cited the birth certificate in their “Fact Check” on William Ayers, so presumably, someone in the campaign has access to it.

Jim runs down three possible issues, finding them “unlikely” but still compelling:

  1. Obama was not born in the US, but in Kenya.
  2. Obama’s middle name was Mohammed, not Hussein (but then why change it to another Arabic name?)
  3. His real first name is “Barry”.

I guess having seen McCain run through the MSM wringer over his birth at a naval base in Panama, these questions should be more compelling to me than they are. Having debated the nature of McCain’s citizenship, Obama should produce his birth certificate to make it all even, redacting any information that could be useful for identity theft (although it won’t have a Social Security number on it as those were not automatically assigned in 1961). The campaign references his birth certificate as a strange defense of his association with William Ayers, so it should make the record public.

However, does anyone really believe any of these potential scenarios? As Jim points out himself, the first two almost instantly get tossed out due to statements by friends and family going back years. Presumably, the schools that Obama attended in Hawaii and later in the US would have seen his birth certificate during the enrollment process, and no one has ever implied that Obama was anything less than a natural-born citizen. If someone wanted to change their middle name from Mohammed to keep political options open, Hussein would not be the name that replaces it.

That applies to the third scenario as well, and changing a first name from Barry to Barack in order to match one’s father would mean nothing in terms of the political standing of the candidate. I’m reminded that Gary Hart changed his last name from Hartpence to Hart, and that turned into nothing more than a nine-day wonder when it came out in the 1984 campaign. Barry to Barack seems even less noteworthy.

I’d say this sounds like a distraction, but then again, I thought the entire McCain-Panama was a distraction as well, and the Senate wound up having to vote on his status as a citizen to quiet the media. Only the first scenario has any relation to Obama’s status as a candidate, and the release of his birth certificate will put an end to the distractions.


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It’s in the stack of papers that contains John Kerry’s DD-214 and medical records.

James on June 10, 2008 at 9:20 AM

His name is irrelevent. His concept of Leadership and Policies, Foreign and Domestic should be the issue, as well as the finances and criminal records from his very shady associates.

Getting a birth certificate from this phony will be as easy as getting the Donor List from Slick Willie for his Library in Arkansas.

His associations as well as his lack of experience should disqualify him from office, not his name or religion.

old trooper on June 10, 2008 at 9:27 AM

An interesting thing happened the other week at a family reunion. The self appointed family historian produced some documents including a very interesting birth certificate. My 70 year mother in law learned for the first time that her father’s name was not what everyone had assumed it to be, was not born where everyone assumed he was (about 2 states off) and he was born a “bastard” child. Quite a weekend. Family history can be cruel….

jimwesty on June 10, 2008 at 9:28 AM

Y’know, this discussion doesn’t do anything to help Mrs. Barack Obama, Sr’s child…

Captain Scarlet on June 10, 2008 at 9:29 AM

It’s in the stack of papers that contains John Kerry’s DD-214 and medical records.

And Bill Clinton’s medical records.

Bigfoot on June 10, 2008 at 9:29 AM

Transparency and ethics? Maybe Madame Blinky needs to tell him of that pledge.
It is the refusal to comply that gives legs to this rumor, only way to stop it is to give up the dox.

bbz123 on June 10, 2008 at 9:29 AM

My birth certificate states religion. Does Obama’s?

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 9:30 AM

I agree with old trooper for the big picture, his Marxist history should be more of a factor in DQing his propects for POTUS more than this.

bbz123 on June 10, 2008 at 9:32 AM

My birth certificate states religion. Does Obama’s?

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 9:30 AM

Excellent point!

txsurveyor on June 10, 2008 at 9:33 AM

My birth certificate states religion. Does Obama’s?

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 9:30 AM

That’s odd. Where and when were you born, if you don’t mind me asking?

12thman on June 10, 2008 at 9:33 AM

My birth certificate states religion. Does Obama’s?

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 9:30 AM

BINGO!!!

So does mine and I would be willing to bet O’s does too.

No way he’ll release it. Waiting for the Senate vote on this.

Talon on June 10, 2008 at 9:35 AM

the Senate wound up having to vote on his status as a citizen to quiet the media.

Thus ending, for all time, any legitimate debate over where the media sits on the political spectrum (off the left edge), and how crazy the moonbat left is (really, really crazy).

Jaibones on June 10, 2008 at 9:36 AM

I’m not buying into this story; however, I do think it’s very important to learn “everything” about this man simply due to his personal relationships with known anti-American people of interest, as well as his associations with known haters of America including terrorists. How is this man raising 50 plus million a month with the rising cost of living having a huge effect on citizens around the country. Where is this money coming from?

Keemo on June 10, 2008 at 9:37 AM

The Messiah wasn’t born, he was created by God’s divine hands to save all mankind liberal flunkies.

fogw on June 10, 2008 at 9:38 AM

What is more disturbing about Senator Obama is his denunciation of Israel’s Likud Party that Senator Obama made in Cleveland. This was supposed to be a private event and it perhaps reflected his real views more than the recent Washington, D.C. speech. You have to wonder about a candidate for president taking sides in an internal election in another country. Clinton for all practical purposes called for the defeat of the Likud and Netanyahu in 1999 and then Clinton crowed about it afterward. There is certainly sanctimony here with Obama. For a candidate who says the US should not interfere or intervene in another country’s internal events or politics, his Cleveland remarks were just what he preaches about. And then when you consider that Zbig Bzrezinski is on his foreign policy board and that Rob Malley was there also, there is alot to be concerned with here.

Larraby on June 10, 2008 at 9:39 AM

Keemo has a good point, who is shoving this amateur down the throats of America?

bbz123 on June 10, 2008 at 9:40 AM

Obama was not born in the US, but in Kenya.

That’d be sweet, but his legions of zombies would demand the law be changed to allow him to run for president.

Tony737 on June 10, 2008 at 9:40 AM

The Arabic translation of “Hussein” means Lion.

At the time that Obama could have changed his name from Muhammed to Hussein, Saddam Hussein didn’t have the huge negative connotations that it does now. Remember, back in the 1980s, Hussein was almost an ally of the US, particularly right after the Iranian Hostage Crisis.

(I served in Reagan’s Navy back then, including two tours in the Persian Gulf at the time, right at the height of the Iraq/Iran War.)

It’s quite reasonable to assume that Barack Muhammed Obama changed his name during this period to the more favorable Hussein, during this period. Not at all a stretch as Jim Geraghty of NR, or the article here at HotAir.com makes it out to be.

ericdondero on June 10, 2008 at 9:42 AM

I’m sure his birth certificate lists place of birth: manger.

Sugar Land on June 10, 2008 at 9:42 AM

I wonder if Hawaii birth certificates in 1961 contained any information about the marital status of the parents? We know that Obama, Sr., was already married with children (back in Kenya) when he impregnated Jr.’s teenage mother. Could the birth certificate identify Jr. as “illegitimate,” or something similar?

AZCoyote on June 10, 2008 at 9:43 AM

A fourth possibility: His birth certificate would show that Michelle is actually his sister.

petefrt on June 10, 2008 at 9:43 AM

Mine states my parent’s religion and I’m several years older than Obama. Then again, my dog tags in the military listed me as a Methodist and I have no idea to this day how that got there.

Jazz Shaw on June 10, 2008 at 9:43 AM

Most of you will probably be glad to know that I had to produce a birth certificate, my drivers license from the state I moved from, and proof of residency (lease/deed)to get a drivers license in PA.

It doesn’t sound like too much to ask of a Presidential candidate. It’s not really a big deal, so what’s the problem?

forest on June 10, 2008 at 9:44 AM

Mine state religion as well…1957 in Texas….

jimwesty on June 10, 2008 at 9:45 AM

12thman on June 10, 2008 at 9:33 AM

‘56. New York

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 9:46 AM

If Obama was born in Kenya, wouldn’t he still be considered a natural born US citizen by those who consider the natural born Panamanian a natural born US citizen?

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 9:47 AM

When I saw the headline, I thought it was referring to Jimmy Carter and the Panama Canal. My first thought was ‘What does Barry wanna give away?’

Tony737 on June 10, 2008 at 9:49 AM

If Obama was born in Kenya, wouldn’t he still be considered a natural born US citizen by those who consider the natural born Panamanian a natural born US citizen?

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 9:47 AM

No, because McCain’s dad was in the military at the time. Barry’s was not.

txsurveyor on June 10, 2008 at 9:49 AM

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 9:46 AM

That should be my parent’s religion. In my case, both were the same. Obama’s might say two diff. religions, but perhaps nothing about the child.

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 9:49 AM

My birth certificate states religion. Does Obama’s?

You may have hit on it there.

Spirit of 1776 on June 10, 2008 at 9:52 AM

In order to get a security clearance, for example, one must physically show a copy of their birth certificate or naturalization papers. How is it possible for someone to withhold a document such as this when its disclosure is required, by law, for the office to which he wishes to take? If he continues to withhold his birth records, then the Department of Justice really does need to look into this, as the law enforcing branch of the executive branch.
What does he have to risk here? Sure, if he’s not a citizen, then a lot. If he is a natural-born citizen, then what? Maybe a little embarrassment? Sorry for ya, but this is America: we have laws that must be enforced.

Send_Me on June 10, 2008 at 9:53 AM

Didn’t Barry release a signed letter from his doctor instead of his full medical records?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 10, 2008 at 9:54 AM

If Obama was born in Kenya, wouldn’t he still be considered a natural born US citizen by those who consider the natural born Panamanian a natural born US citizen?

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 9:47 AM

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1. Panama was US territory at the time, unlike Kenya
2. Obama’s father was Kenyan, not American, I don’t think he naturalized
So, the answer is no

Think_b4_speaking on June 10, 2008 at 9:55 AM

No, because McCain’s dad was in the military at the time. Barry’s was not.

txsurveyor on June 10, 2008 at 9:49 AM

Wasn’t his mom a US citizen though? If the courts haven’t defined the term or made a distinction between military and civilian citizens giving birth in foreign lands, how could a strong argument be made to exclude a Kenyan born BHO from natural born status?

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 10:00 AM

Hey, Barry LIKES bare knuckle Chicago style politics, so producing a birth certificate should be no big deal…that’s more like high tea at Noon, for goodness sake. The fact that he WON’T produce it is newsworthy.

If Cindy McCain can release her tax records when she and John don’t even file joint tax returns, Obama should release his birth certificate.

JustTruth101 on June 10, 2008 at 10:01 AM

I wonder if Hawaii birth certificates in 1961 contained any information about the marital status of the parents? We know that Obama, Sr., was already married with children (back in Kenya) when he impregnated Jr.’s teenage mother. Could the birth certificate identify Jr. as “illegitimate,” or something similar?

AZCoyote on June 10, 2008 at 9:43 AM

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I think you are on to something there – from what I have gleaned, his parents may not have been legally/legitimately married at the time of his birth.

Think_b4_speaking on June 10, 2008 at 10:01 AM

That’d be sweet, but his legions of zombies would demand the law be changed to allow him to run for president.

Tony737 on June 10, 2008 at 9:40 AM

It would be a political and legal mess with an outcome that would probably piss more than half the people off either way. He would not relinquish his aspirations even if he was born in Kenya because he will claim a right of natural born citizenship based upon the fact that his mother is a citizen. I would prefer that he really was born in Hawaii just so we don’t have to have 50 million court rulings on the issue that no one is happy with.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 10:03 AM

His mother is a US citizen, that makes Barry/Barrak a natural born citizen.

I guess the only relevance would be that if he was born outside the US it would demonstrate once again his hypocrisy.

Sackett on June 10, 2008 at 10:04 AM

His mother was from Kansas. Does it really matter where he was born? Doesn’t his mother being a citizen automatically confer citizenship on him, even if his father wasn’t? Also, Obama eliminated the competition in his run for the state senate seat in Illinois by pointing out that they had not met the rules for being a candidate so I think asking about his nationality is fair game. Who knows? Maybe he’s only 32 years old. If so, the Selma story would make sense.

Kafir on June 10, 2008 at 10:05 AM

1. Panama was US territory at the time, unlike Kenya

No it wasn’t. It was leased. No US territory has ever ceased being US territory. But if McCain’s mother would have went into labor while on vacation with her husband in Mexico ( where they were married ), I don’t think you’d exclude McCain from the natural born status.

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 10:06 AM

Papers, please!

OldEnglish on June 10, 2008 at 10:07 AM

how could a strong argument be made to exclude a Kenyan born BHO from natural born status?

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 10:00 AM

U.S. Citizenship

If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it.

If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.

Barry’s mom was 18 at the time of his birth which does not meet the 5 year residence requirement.

txsurveyor on June 10, 2008 at 10:07 AM

If Obama was born in Kenya, wouldn’t he still be considered a natural born US citizen by those who consider the natural born Panamanian a natural born US citizen?

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 9:47 AM

McCain was born of two US citizens on a US military base. Would you deny citizenship to those born of our fine men and women stationed over seas?

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 10:07 AM

What is his birth name? Barry or Barack?

What religion is listed for parents? Muslim, Atheist

Who is listed as the father? They may not have been married when he was born – if at all. Polygomous marriages were probably not legal in Hawaii in 1961.

faraway on June 10, 2008 at 10:08 AM

How is it possible for someone to withhold a document such as this when its disclosure is required, by law, for the office to which he wishes to take?

He could provide it to the DOJ/FBI for such purposes, and not release it to the public. Information disclosed for a security clearance is kept confidential and is to be used only for the purpose of vetting a person’s background for the clearance.

IOW, he could show it to them and not to you/me/us/media, etc…

Pablo on June 10, 2008 at 10:10 AM

Wouldnt it be great if it were discovered that he is not a natural born citizen, I think that would be quite entertaining…

Viper1 on June 10, 2008 at 10:10 AM

I have posted an article on this at Libertarian Republican blog in response to Ed’s Editorial here.

I respect Ed greatly. But he makes a big error here in assuming that a young aspiring Chicago Muslim politician in the 1980s would not switch his name from “Muhammed” to “Hussein.”

In brief, Hussein has a very positive, strong leadership-oriented implication in Arabic.

I explain why fully over at LR Blog.

ericdondero on June 10, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Obama Birth Certificate:
Mom: Virgin
Dad: God
Name: Messiah

faraway on June 10, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Barry’s mom was 18 at the time of his birth which does not meet the 5 year residence requirement.

txsurveyor on June 10, 2008 at 10:07 AM

Okay. Good point.

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 10:12 AM

No way he’ll release it. Waiting for the Senate vote on this.

Talon on June 10, 2008 at 9:35 AM

After they subpoena the Little Drummer Boy.

SlimyBill on June 10, 2008 at 10:12 AM

If Obama was born in Kenya, wouldn’t he still be considered a natural born US citizen by those who consider the natural born Panamanian a natural born US citizen?

The Panama Canal Zone was an American territory until Carter gave it away. McCain was born on American soil. And even if he weren’t, his being born to a military family on a military base would make him a natural born citizen.

Pablo on June 10, 2008 at 10:12 AM

Presumably, the schools that Obama attended in Hawaii and later in the US would have seen his birth certificate during the enrollment process,

Really? So progressive schools would hold up the enrollment of a black student with an african name over a little thing like a birth certificate? Or turn him down for enrollment if he wasn’t a citizen? Or would willingly release this private information to conservative media?

Huh.

peacenprosperity on June 10, 2008 at 10:12 AM

No it wasn’t. It was leased. No US territory has ever ceased being US territory. But if McCain’s mother would have went into labor while on vacation with her husband in Mexico ( where they were married ), I don’t think you’d exclude McCain from the natural born status.

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 10:06 AM

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I misspoke – military and diplomatic installations, while usually leased or donated, are considered US territory, but they are not ‘territories’ of the US. My point is still valid, though – officially , McCain qualifies as natural born.

Think_b4_speaking on June 10, 2008 at 10:13 AM

How delicious it would be for him to get elected only to find out he was never eligible to be elected.

NO PARTY could justify that.

madmonkphotog on June 10, 2008 at 10:13 AM

His name is irrelevent. His concept of Leadership and Policies, Foreign and Domestic should be the issue, as well as the finances and criminal records from his very shady associates.

Getting a birth certificate from this phony will be as easy as getting the Donor List from Slick Willie for his Library in Arkansas.

His associations as well as his lack of experience should disqualify him from office, not his name or religion.

old trooper on June 10, 2008 at 9:27 AM

Occam’s razor folks. People didn’t just jet back and forth between Hawaii and Kenya back in 1961. Obama was born in HI, but his loony mom may have put something embarrassing on his birth certificate or something. Maybe she thought it would be funny to say his name was Fidel Che or something. Focusing on this too much makes us look pretty crazy, IMHO.

What is more disturbing about Senator Obama is his denunciation of Israel’s Likud Party that Senator Obama made in Cleveland. This was supposed to be a private event and it perhaps reflected his real views more than the recent Washington, D.C. speech.

What?

funky chicken on June 10, 2008 at 10:14 AM

Obama’s press conference today is to relinquish his quest for the presidency, and to endorse Hillary. She will then be free to select a different VP choice, and not infuriate the huge proportion of the democratic party when she does. (just thinking out loud)

Think_b4_speaking on June 10, 2008 at 10:16 AM

I misspoke – military and diplomatic installations, while usually leased or donated, are considered US territory, but they are not ‘territories’ of the US.

Nope. Leased land is just that, and it belongs to the host country. Our bases in Europe and elsewhere are not “US territory”. That’s why Gitmo is being used as it is, specifically because it isn’t US soil. The Canal Zone was a territory, like Guam or Puerto Rico. See the Hay-Bunau Varilla Treaty.

Pablo on June 10, 2008 at 10:16 AM

It’s quite reasonable to assume that Barack Muhammed Obama changed his name during this period to the more favorable Hussein

Which would mean islam is a greater influence on him then he admits.

peacenprosperity on June 10, 2008 at 10:18 AM

If Obama was born in Kenya, wouldn’t he still be considered a natural born US citizen by those who consider the natural born Panamanian a natural born US citizen?

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 9:47 AM

idiot

max1 on June 10, 2008 at 10:18 AM

His associations as well as his lack of experience should disqualify him from office, not his name or religion.

In what country do you live?

peacenprosperity on June 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Regarding Carter and the Panama Canal, the worst thing that Carter did was apologizing to the Panamanian thug Omar Torrijos and begging forgiveness from Torrijos for the sins of the US. And come to think about, this is precisely the Obama foreign policy.

Larraby on June 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

maybe he was born in Mecca and a direct decendent of Muhammed himself, much like Saddam claimed to be.

/sarc

jp on June 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Could this be Hillary’s big bonbshell?

Ann on June 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Pablo on June 10, 2008 at 10:16 AM

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US law applies to embassies, and MCJ applies to military bases, no matter where they are located – not the local laws, though it looks like the Canal zone was indeed US territory at the time.

Think_b4_speaking on June 10, 2008 at 10:22 AM

txsurveyor on June 10, 2008 at 10:07 AM

So this makes the location significant.

Kafir on June 10, 2008 at 10:22 AM

This is from a comment at MM’s site…if correct, this is about to get very interesting:

On June 10th, 2008 at 8:37 am, legendx3 said:

Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.

*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama’s aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Gov. Of California would be very insterested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it would set precedence. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days…

JustTruth101 on June 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM

JustTruth101 on June 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM

maybe that was the purpose of the McCain/panama diversion by the left? to head this off and make it a political issue to trump the law.

jp on June 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM

Keemo,

Obama is raising funds in the 57 Islamic states. Which, by the way, is illegal.

As to Obama’s true nationality…

As Deep Throat would say “follow the money”.

Remember a couple months ago when some contractors employed by the state dept. were caught playing “go fish” in Obama, Clinton and McCain’s passport records? You remember that these contractors are in the employ of one of Obama’s biggest supporters.

Now ask yourself why would someone want to go digging around in them? In the case of Clinton and McCain they have both held the maroon government official passports and their travels overseas have been public record over the decades. There is no “there” there with those records.

There is with Obama’s.

Under Kenyan law Obama is automatically considered a Kenyan citizen because of his father. He would have had to officially renounce that citizenship to the Kenyan government in order for him not to be a citizen anymore.

What does this have to do with employees of one of Obama’s supporters spelunking his passport records you ask?

Obama has made trips to Kenya. How much you want to bet those records show that there is no record of Obama leaving the country using his US passport but only records of him coming back. Meaning he used a Kenyan passport to leave the US.

I am well familiar with this kind of thing. My ex holds dual citizenship. He has both British and Canadian citizenship. When we would make our annual trips to the UK he would use his British passport to leave the US and enter the UK and his Canadian one to leave Britain and enter the US to avoid hassles with immigration. On the UK side he would zip through immigration while I would have to wait in line for 30-45 minutes, this gave him time to get the rental car and such so we could leave soon as I got out. On the way back he would need no visa because he was using his Canadian passport to enter the US.

Nahanni on June 10, 2008 at 10:26 AM

You know, I’m starting to wonder, is this why perhaps, Obama went out of his way to support that resolution granting McCain an exemption on the birth in the Panama Canal issue three months ago?

Clever move on Obama’s part. Perhaps he saw all this coming. Perhaps he knew all this would surface soon after he secured the nomination, the fact that his Father is a Kenyan, and he might not be eligible by Law to run for President.

And now he can claim that since he’s no different from McCain on the matter. And the real beauty of it, is that McCain himself will probably come to his defense.

ericdondero on June 10, 2008 at 10:26 AM

“Txsurveyor” brings up an interesting point–Obama may not have been “automatically” a citizen by birth, if his mother did not live five years in the United States after age 16 before Barack Jr’s birth. Still, Obama could have gone through a naturalization process himself after age 18.

But did he? Wouldn’t these questions on citizenship have been asked when Obama ran for the Illinois State Senate, and then for the United States Senate?

Steve Z on June 10, 2008 at 10:28 AM

JustTruth101 on June 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Just amazing, freaking AMAZING!

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM

McCain was born of two US citizens on a US military base. Would you deny citizenship to those born of our fine men and women stationed over seas?

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 10:07 AM

I haven’t seen anyone suggesting McCain isn’t a citizen. As far as “natural born” status, you create a slippery slope when you determine these things on feelings rather than enacting them into law or settle differing interpretations in the Supreme Court.

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM

When you apply to run for President, do they not make sure you are eligible and a US Citizen first though???

jp on June 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM

But did he? Wouldn’t these questions on citizenship have been asked when Obama ran for the Illinois State Senate, and then for the United States Senate?

Steve Z on June 10, 2008 at 10:28 AM

This scenario hinges on Barry being born somewhere other than the U.S. If he had been born, say, in Kenya, he may have still become a naturalized citizen, but a naturalized citizen is ineligible to hold the office of POTUS.

txsurveyor on June 10, 2008 at 10:34 AM

“Txsurveyor” brings up an interesting point–Obama may not have been “automatically” a citizen by birth, if his mother did not live five years in the United States after age 16 before Barack Jr’s birth. Still, Obama could have gone through a naturalization process himself after age 18.

But did he? Wouldn’t these questions on citizenship have been asked when Obama ran for the Illinois State Senate, and then for the United States Senate?

Steve Z on June 10, 2008 at 10:28 AM

Any of the laws concerning who is or is not a natural born citizen only apply to those born outside of the US. If he was born in Hawaii it wouldn’t matter if both his parents were 12 year old cannibals from South America spending a day trip in Hawaii at the time of his birth, he is a natural born citizen.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 10:34 AM

Father listed as “unknown” so she could get the welfare, food stamps, WIC, free medical care, etc.

Mother’s citizenship listed as “free spirit of the universe”

Alden Pyle on June 10, 2008 at 10:35 AM

If you follow this thread, you all will see that we are all starting to come to the same conclusions.

If this thing explodes in the MSM in the next few days, we can honestly say that it started here through simple deduction among a few hardcore HotAir.com junkies.

Most of us, have our own blogs, and will no doubt be posting on this today.

Watch for the MSM to pick up on this story. My bet, it will start with Fox News tonight, either O’Reilly or Hannity & Colmes. Then it will explode from there.

Stay tuned guys… This is gonna be fun.

ericdondero on June 10, 2008 at 10:36 AM

I haven’t seen anyone suggesting McCain isn’t a citizen. As far as “natural born” status, you create a slippery slope when you determine these things on feelings rather than enacting them into law or settle differing interpretations in the Supreme Court.

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM

The very first congress realized this might be a problem and passed a law stating under what conditions a foreign born US citizen might be considered a natural born citizen. Tradition and law are behind McCain as well, not only sentiment.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 10:37 AM

Could this be Hillary’s big bonbshell?

Ann on June 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

She gave her big concession speech and all, so if true, it would make sense to sit on it and look like a team player instead of a back-stabber if he gets disqualified.

But it can’t be true – surely the DNC properly vetted their candidate – cough, cough.

forest on June 10, 2008 at 10:37 AM

The anti-Christ has no birth certificate.

Griz on June 10, 2008 at 10:37 AM

But it can’t be true – surely the DNC properly vetted their candidate – cough, cough.

forest on June 10, 2008 at 10:37 AM

it would be major incompetence or major Chutzpah if this is true, on the DNC’s part.

being as in love with obambi as they are, the first is possible. being who they are, the later is also quite possible……..odds are we are getting our hopes up.

jp on June 10, 2008 at 10:39 AM

JustTruth101 on June 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM

I told my brilliant, charming, beautiful, talented, wonderful, terrific 11 year old daughter, that due to her being born and adopted overseas as a newborn, she could not be President, even though she is now a citizen.

As a result of your comment, I did a two minute google and found that I was wrong. For all intents and purposes, including elected office, she is a natural-born citizen. That’s the law! Thank you very very much!

Too bad Bambi. Too bad Arnold. Watch out Chelsea.

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 10:40 AM

ericdondero on June 10, 2008 at 10:36 AM

RUSH ARE YOU LISTENING TO ERIC??

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 10:40 AM

Your daughter is probably more competent than Barry is.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Your daughter is probably more competent than Barry is.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Thank you. She takes after her father. Wonder if it’s genetic or environment?

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 10:45 AM

What will be very interesting if this is true will be the dnc initial response. Will they immediately boot him and declare hillary the candidate or will they try to change the rules in the middle of the game as they always do?

peacenprosperity on June 10, 2008 at 10:49 AM

I love cheap, tawdry entertainment. Oh, God, how I love it!

wccawa on June 10, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Democrats will be hamstrung if this is true. They do not want to change the rules because they fear President Ahnold more than anything. If they “fix” this for Obama there will be a groundswell to eliminate the restrictions entirely.

Maybe that explains why Maria endorsed Obama so enthusiastically!

rockmom on June 10, 2008 at 10:51 AM

If he was born in Hawaii it wouldn’t matter if both his parents were 12 year old cannibals from South America spending a day trip in Hawaii at the time of his birth, he is a natural born citizen.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 10:34 AM

Would this not cause a problem as regards the status of “anchor babies”? Assuming that you are correct, we would not be able to deport them, would we?

OldEnglish on June 10, 2008 at 10:52 AM

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 10:40 AM

Yep, for everything but President.

Obama was never vetted on this as a Senator because its not a requirment for Senator.

so, Barry’s mom could not be legaly married at the time, as Barry’s Pop already had a wife.

We don’t know what the religion feild on it would have said.

Heck, we don’t even know what NAMES may be on it… my Dad didn’t know his legal name was John, and not Jack, until at 18 he tried to join the Navy for WWII!!!

/dam, too early for popcorn…

Romeo13 on June 10, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Are you kidding me? What the hell is so hard about producing a birth certificate? I know where mine is, and I know if I lose it how I can get a new one rather quickly.

Why is it that politicians can continually play stupid, then expect people to vote for them to run the damn country.

I’m starting to to think that Team Obama purposely creates issues like this, just so they can pretend like they are being unfairly attacked. Obama has nothing, nothing to run on, so it’s all about distractions and BS, all the way to the election. It all looks very orchestrated to me, play the victim card to full effect. Obama will be able to attack McCain by making it look like he is actually counter-attacking or defending himself.

reaganaut on June 10, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Climb out of the fever swamps, folks. Stanley Ann Dunham wasn’t Angelina Jolie. Obama was born in Hawaii. Don’t become the Kos of the right.

Occam’s razor folks. People didn’t just jet back and forth between Hawaii and Kenya back in 1961. Obama was born in HI, but his loony mom may have put something embarrassing on his birth certificate or something. Maybe she thought it would be funny to say his name was Fidel Che or something. Focusing on this too much makes us look pretty crazy, IMHO.

funky chicken on June 10, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Would this not cause a problem as regards the status of “anchor babies”? Assuming that you are correct, we would not be able to deport them, would we?

OldEnglish on June 10, 2008 at 10:52 AM

We can deport parents and parents may or may not take their babies with them. And when the babies become adults they would have a right of return since they were born US citizens. However, the law should be changed in my view. It is no longer good enough to just be born here as the law currently states.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM

The very first congress realized this might be a problem and passed a law stating under what conditions a foreign born US citizen might be considered a natural born citizen. Tradition and law are behind McCain as well, not only sentiment.

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 10:37 AM

The first Congress overstepped their bounds making this constitutional interpretation and then saw the error of their ways and repealed it soon after. You’d have a stronger case for McCain’s natural born status had they never made the interpretation in the first place.

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Just to stir the pot a bit more…

I was born in the U.S.
My first wife was born in Costa Rica, came to U.S. in 1955. Her father was born in Alabama, her mom in Nicaragua.
Our daughter was born in Bad Kreuznach, West Germany.

Both my first wife and my daughter have a form called (which is the same form McCain has)….

Report of Child Born Abroad to American Parents. This is issued by the U.S. Embassy located in the country of birth.

So does this mean the government screwed up my first wife’s citizenship and therefore my daughter is also not an American citizen? Both had only only one born in the U.S.A. parent.

So can my daughter run for POTUS or not? Should I call ICE?

Limerick on June 10, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Funky Chicken, I complete disagree with you on your call for us to “crawl out of the fever swamps.”

If anything we all need to be crawling into the fever swamp right now at this moment before it really explodes on the MSM. Everyone of us who has a blog ought to be posting on this today. Let’s create a virtualy Rightwing (libertarian & conservative) frenzy over this issue that CNN, Fox, ABC, and even the WashPo and NY Times will not be able to ignore.

Far, far, far too much of Obama’s past has been covered up by the MSM, starting with his 4 years at the Muslim Madrassa in Indonesia. The media wrote that off as “Right-wing conspiracy rants.” Bullsh*t! If you look at the facts about it, you will simply learn that it was indeed a Madrassa and not simply a “School” with a few Muslim students.

Then there’s Obama’s ties to Radical Muslims in Kenya, most especially his distant cousin Raila Odinga, a murderous thug ethnic cleanser of non-Muslims. A few stories on that in the beginning of Obama’s campaign, and since it’s dropped off the radar screens.

If anything we all need to be screaming at the top of our lungs about all this media cover-up, and MOST ESPECIALLY ABOUT OBAMA’S NOT RELEASING HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Everyone PLEASE blog about this today, and send an email out to all your personal email lists, and post about it on every single political board you are a member of.

This thing is huge! And we absolutely need to be beating the drums on this.

Eric Dondero, Publisher
Libertarian Republican blog

ericdondero on June 10, 2008 at 11:05 AM

JustTruth101 on June 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM

That’s the law Geraghty cites, but keep in mind that it applied only to a child born outside the US, to an American mother and non-American-citizen father. It doesn’t apply if BO was born in Hawaii or any other US state or territory.

Nichevo on June 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM

NotCoach on June 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Thank you.

It has long been my view regarding (natural born) citizenship, also. For high office, I’ve long believed that two generations should be a minimum requirement.

OldEnglish on June 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM

I’m starting to to think that Team Obama purposely creates issues like this, just so they can pretend like they are being unfairly attacked. Obama has nothing, nothing to run on, so it’s all about distractions and BS, all the way to the election. It all looks very orchestrated to me, play the victim card to full effect. Obama will be able to attack McCain by making it look like he is actually counter-attacking or defending himself.

reaganaut on June 10, 2008 at 10:52 AM

had that thought, if enough of these issues that turn out to be nothing come up then the joe blow voter toons out the real scandals. worked like a charm for clinton

jp on June 10, 2008 at 11:09 AM

This thing is huge! And we absolutely need to be beating the drums on this.

Eric Dondero, Publisher
Libertarian Republican blog

ericdondero on June 10, 2008 at 11:05 AM

If he’s born in HI as he states, he’s natural born, regardless of the status of his father and mother, correct?

JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 11:10 AM

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