So when will Congress act on gas prices? Update: AOL Hot Seat Poll added
posted at 9:45 am on June 9, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Across the nation, gas prices have shot over $4 per gallon, and there appears to be no ceiling in sight. The economic shock continues to appear across the broad spectrum, raising retail prices on any goods coming to market, while wages cannot keep pace. As the buying power of Americans continues to erode, will Congress finally act to broaden supplies?
The average price of regular gas crept up to $4 a gallon for the first time over the weekend, passing the once-unthinkable milestone just in time for the peak summer travel season.
Prices at the pump are expected to keep climbing, especially after last week’s furious surge in oil prices, which neared $140 a barrel in a record-shattering rally Friday.
While Americans who have to drive will feel the biggest squeeze, the increased prices also translate into higher costs for consumers and businesses, who will be forced to shoulder increased costs for food and anything else that needs to be transported.
“I don’t think we’ve felt quite the full impact of $138 or $139 a barrel oil,” said Jason Toews, co-founder of fuel price research site GasBuddy.com.
Gas prices rolled past their latest threshold Sunday, increasing to $4.005 a gallon overnight from $3.988 the day before, according to AAA and the Oil Price Information Service.
Congress has put a tight hold on drilling and refining in the US for decades, and this is the inevitable result. The US sits on billions of barrels of oil within the continental shelves, billions more on the interior, and billions in ANWR. Yet we insist on going cap in hand to the Saudis for higher production rather than take some responsibility for our own energy needs, preferring to keep our landscapes while we demand that others exploit their own resources for our benefit.
We could shift some of our reliance on petroleum to nuclear power, on which Europe and Japan largely rely for their electricity. However, Congress under both parties has shown even less courage in standing up to the environmentalists on nuclear power than they have in domestic drilling. The coal industry could produce massive new sources for energy if they were less hamstrung. Yet Congress continues to look for unproven solutions while ignoring the workable solutions in front of them, and their dithering has produced an inflationary environment that resembles the 1970s.
Last week, Barbara Boxer tried to push through the Lieberman-Warner bill, claiming that it would address gas prices. It certainly would — by driving them much higher through over-regulation of the energy industry. The energy industry does not need further regulation. They need Congress to get the federal government out of its way so that it can add more supply to the market, which is the only way prices will fall.
We have asked for expanded nuclear power and domestic drilling for at least two decades. Every time the subject comes up, we get reminded that these solutions take seven years to have an effect. If we had acted seven years ago in the aftermath of 9/11, when it became clear that energy would involve national-security issues, the benefits would have started to arrive right about now — and oil speculation would have never climbed to its current state.
Drill here, drill now, and at least we can expect to pay less in a few years. In the meantime, let’s get started with nuclear and coal while researching as many possibilities for renewables as possible.
Update: NBC’s Today Show asks its two experts, Jim Cramer and Erin Burnett, about the solution, and both agree:
Cramer is exactly on point here. We need to be less selfish and start producing as much of our own oil as possible.
Update II: Jazz Shaw has a moderately dissenting opinion, and a must-read, at The Moderate Voice.
Update III: It was the Today show on NBC, not CNN. Must have had CNN on the brain today. I blame it on the Southern California air. Thanks to the readers who e-mailed me the correction.
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When will the Republican President and the Republican nominee for President start hammering this issue?
james23 on June 9, 2008 at 9:50 AM
This democrat run congress isn’t going to do anything until November except point fingers at Bush for anything & everything. Pelosi & her liberals are the reason we can’t friggin’ drill for oil in our own country anyway!
DCJeff on June 9, 2008 at 9:52 AM
Seconded. Why are Bush and McCain so silent on this issue? It’s a political winner, and they’re sitting on their hands.
Slublog on June 9, 2008 at 9:52 AM
Montana and N.D. will be helping us out soon.
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 9:53 AM
Why would congress act to lower prices? Every time gas goes up 10 cents it is generating more and more demand for change, and not the kind you put in your pocket.
Lowering prices would be the responsible thing to do. Giving the plebs only half their grain dole keeps em screaming.
Limerick on June 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM
Mac has been hammering the Nuclear and Clean Coal thing pretty hard on the trail.
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM
Brit Hume was all over this on Fox News Sunday yesterday. He said it is the sleeper issue of the campaign, but McCain has taken himself out of it with his high-profile opposition to drilling in ANWR and letting the coastal states prevent offshore drilling. But he said it could help GOP congressional candidates substantially. Gas was $2.11 a gallon when the Democrats took control of Congress.
rockmom on June 9, 2008 at 9:55 AM
McShamnesty won’t do a thing about this, because he’s a global warmingist.
So sad…
Darksean on June 9, 2008 at 9:55 AM
I’m not sure we want this Congress to act… We’d probably get more socialistic crap that just makes a bad situation much worse.
We need to mobilize and get more people advancing the message of, “Drill here. Drill now.” Anything else is pure insanity.
HotJavaJack on June 9, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Here’s a copy of my letter going to every senator and congressman I can send it to.
Wow, you must be proud to be a member of the lowest-rated Senate EVER!
Just keep oil companies from drilling for more oil, right here. Keep those gas prices going up
Bring our airlines and trucking to its knees.
Put millions of people in the unemployment lines.
You guys are doing great. (NOT)
Hey, protect those polar bears -(HINT: THEY DON’T VOTE !)
I know it’s beneath you to actually put gas in one of those senate limos but – we’re just about at our breaking point.
You all must be so proud.
DRILL FOR OIL N-O-W !
This is absolutely disgusting. They are OUR elected representatives and DC is killing us. The corruption is rampant to the point of possibly no return.
stenwin77 on June 9, 2008 at 9:56 AM
We’re rural and buy gasoline in bulk. Filled up my 300 gallon tank with unleaded on Saturday. Over 1200 bucks, and the delivery guy said diesel had gone to $4.12/gallon. My farmer neighbor stopped in for some coffee and said he will lose money on $5.00/bushel corn because of fuel costs. Plus, with the wet spring, half the row crops are still unplanted, creating even higher cereal grain futures estimates. Very tough times ahead.
a capella on June 9, 2008 at 9:56 AM
Not to worry.
The eminent global economic collapse which will begin in October will shut down economic activity world wide, and drive down world demand for oil. We’ll have a surplus of crude beginning mid 2009, so we don’t need to increase exploration for crude oil for at least 10-15 years.
Have a nice day.
rockhauler on June 9, 2008 at 9:58 AM
That’s great, but doesn’t do a lot to increase domestic oil production. He’s against drilling in ANWR and off the coasts. On this particular issue, he really is no better than the Democrats.
Slublog on June 9, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Remember the days of co-ops? Seems like some brilliant people could pool resources to drill and refine their own oil. Is that even possible?
stenwin77 on June 9, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Seems the environmentalist lobby is running the show. I wonder what cars *they* drive?
spidgy on June 9, 2008 at 9:59 AM
Amen to that.
Not to mention that it could almost be a private sector “jobs program.” Perhaps the biggest lie on the left over the past several years is all those “green collar jobs” that are just waiting to be created if the government would just step in and take control of the energy industry.
But what sort of economic revitalization might we have as a nation if we really set to work rebuilding our crumbling conventional and nuclear energy infrastructure?
Yeah, I’ll vote for McCain and I support him and I get annoyed at all the knee-jerk name-calling “Juan” haters around here, but man…if ever there was an issue that could turn perceptions on a dime, this is it, and we’ve backed just exactly the wrong guy to take advantage.
Typhoon on June 9, 2008 at 9:59 AM
Criminal Negligence
ronsfi on June 9, 2008 at 10:00 AM
The entire economy is being damaged by this stranglehold on our own sources of energy which also allows the global panic mentality (on the speculative “futures” front) to jack up prices for oil by having NO counteroffer (we will drill more within our own borders, exploit our own oil shale, etc.) to restrain it.
The U.S. government’s idiotic plan to prevent us from using our own energy sources must end.
profitsbeard on June 9, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Congress already HAS acted. They called in US oil executives twice, and had a public relations show, they implied that they have tentative plans to nationalize the US oil industry (if they can get a supermajority), and they passed a bill (the energy act of 2007) which contains a provision that government (Post Office, Military, and government vehicles of all stripes) will not be allowed to purchase fuel obtained via oil sands in Canada. These steps alone have helped us get to $4 gasoline, what more could you ask?
Think_b4_speaking on June 9, 2008 at 10:03 AM
The liberals want higher prices. They really don’t care what happens to people. They want to demagogue oil companies and blame them. They want to dishonestly blame President Bush. They want control of the market for the sheer power of it. And they have some utopian idea it will force everyone to start driving wind-powered cars or whatever the hell. It’s completely disgusting and a threat to our country’s economic and national security.
CP on June 9, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Montana and N.D. will be helping us out soon.
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 9:53 AM
Don’t get too excited about that.
I’m leasing and top-leasing up in ND (Burke County and environs) right now, and know the Bakken and Madison formations quite well.
Good, but not nearly as important as ANWR and the coasts.
TexasJew on June 9, 2008 at 10:05 AM
When will the Republican President and the Republican nominee for President start hammering this issue?
When pigs fly out of my butt? That’s as near an estimation as I can give you.
RWLA on June 9, 2008 at 10:07 AM
Ah, yes. Restrict supply and the problem goes away. Why not also include price ceilings? It worked so well in Zimbabwe.
a capella on June 9, 2008 at 10:09 AM
As you know, I am a Florida guy who initially opposed drilling off our coasts because our beaches are about 1/5 of our economy. But after seeing the lack of damage from Katrina to Gulf derricks, I think I am a believer.
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Let’s not forget that John McCain is one of the most rabid anti-drillers in Congress. Perhaps it is time for cranky old bastard to tell us how to achieve energy independence without long-term investment in drilling, nuclear power etc. McCain’s endorsement of the related business-crushing Kyoto Protocol doesn’t help either but the real thing to demand from McCain and Obama is a real plan not just platitudes.
highhopes on June 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Bingo. They want gas prices to go higher. They want people to suffer so they can say “We told you so”. They want to be able to force car manufacturers to produce cars with higher fuel efficiencies and to destroy the SUV market through attrition. And that’s just for starters.
They don’t care who it hurts the most, they just want to hurt those they despise the most, consequences be damned.
As long as there’s a Democratic majority you can forget about domestic drilling and nuclear energy. It doesn’t fit their overall agenda.
SouthernDem on June 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM
It’s plain and pure subjugation, folks. They Democrat-run Congress does not care about the average American citizen. They entire goal is to make us more reliant on government. Fuel is central to the economy. They know they can bring the economy to its knees by not acting on energy. Then they can sweep in with populist rhetoric have they are “working for the common man”, but what does that mean? It means more regulation, higher taxes and control, which has been their interest all along.
A great American once said,
What does it really boil down to?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 9, 2008 at 10:16 AM
You are right about drilling, however he is a very active proponent of nuclear power and has been adamant about legislation for it.
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 10:16 AM
I am seeing an actual Atlas Shrugged scenario play out, except instead of the railroad industry, it’s the oil industry. This is truly scary, folks.
fossten on June 9, 2008 at 10:17 AM
And they would have to go hat in hand to the very people they hate to get it all fixed. Libs arent smart enough to run infrastructure.
gator70 on June 9, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Imagine Cramer’s classic Brenanke rant, but with Congress in the Fed role.
“THEY HAVE NO IDEA!!!!! NO IDEA!!!!! THEY”RE NUTS!!!!”
Kid from Brooklyn on June 9, 2008 at 10:19 AM
I know! Freaky isn’t it! Part I of the book follows exactly what is going on right now. Hmmmm. Kind of like syncing Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon with Wizard of Oz.
gator70 on June 9, 2008 at 10:21 AM
This is the problem with having a hyper-wealthy ruling class called the Senate.
High oil prices?
Let them eat cake.
drjohn on June 9, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Exactly.
In a perfect world, we would focus our attention on new nuclear power plant construction. Couple that with existing hydrogen fuel cell technology (with home base hydrogen generators for car fuel).
Remember “Too cheap to meter”? Our cars could power themselves with hydrogen generators during their downtime.
This is not a quick fix, but an excellent way to wean ourselves off of foriegn dependency. There will always be a demand for fossil fuels so our existing domestic exploration of oil and coal will not diminish in foriegn markets.
natesnake on June 9, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Nuclear powered electric grid.
Hydrogen powered cars.
Give a big middle finger to the Middle East.
Problem solved.
natesnake on June 9, 2008 at 10:23 AM
What I’m seeing on TV is that the ‘experts’ say that we should do what conservatives have been saying we should have done for 20 years. AMAZING!
Mojave Mark on June 9, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Hell, electric cars powered off a Nuke grid…
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 10:26 AM
(CNBC)
tree hugging sister on June 9, 2008 at 10:26 AM
The solution is simple. Alaska and the Rocky Mountain states (Montana, Wyoming, etc.) must
1) secede from the union,
2) declare Islam as the ONLY acceptable religion,
3) oppress women (force them to wear burqas, etc.),
4) issue fatwas, curse Israel, and kill any and all infidels who dare to step foot on their Holy ground,
5) instate wicked, corrupt “royal families” (supportive of terrorist organizations) to rule over their state governments,
6) behead a few unfortunate individuals who happen to be working for international relief organizations.
THEN, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and all the rest will fall all over themselves to pass legislation that will virtually guarantee that these states are the sole suppliers of Americas energy needs.
My collie says:
How is that different from what they’ve got now?
CyberCipher on June 9, 2008 at 10:26 AM
Not to dominate this thread, but this is a huge issue with me.
If the United States announced our intent to aggressively pursue Nuclear Grid with Hydrogen Fueled cars, you’ll see those crude oil prices start to drop like a stone. We are their biggest consumer and much like a drug dealer, its best to lower their price to continue our addiction.
natesnake on June 9, 2008 at 10:27 AM
You hit it. They are hoping that there is a price point where people will start to change their habits and “go green.” $4 gas is probably that point.
I’m one of those people who trades my car in every two years for a new one – I’m feeling antsy right now, so I looked at a new Chevy Tahoe hybrid. I couldn’t justify the cost of the car AND the amount it would cost to fill up the tank, even the hybrid model. I drive a Honda Odyssey right now (good kid mobile and good gas economy). I think I’ll keep it until it dies.
I’ve never really had to worry too much about the cost of gas (i’m a lucky one) – but now, we’ve decided against a big family vacation, against that new car, etc.
Congress better act fast before there is a serious revolt.
pullingmyhairout on June 9, 2008 at 10:27 AM
By artificially helping the price of gas and oil skyward, by limiting supply, nixing alternatives, and through taxation, our tranzi neocom overlords may inadvertently boost innovation. Or cause a global depression. Probably both, not in that order.
Beagle on June 9, 2008 at 10:28 AM
So when does he come out with his “energy plan” that is more than just the usual set of vague platitudes and non-specific commitments? I’m sure you realize how long it takes to get nuclear power on-line- What does McCain intend to do in the short-term?
Trucks, trains, and ships all take oil as do many electric power plants. None of that is going to change over the four years of the next president but that doesn’t mean that it is an issue that can be punted once again- Congressional and Presidential inaction for decades is what got us in this spot.
It is unacceptable for either candidate not to have a clear answer this issue.
highhopes on June 9, 2008 at 10:28 AM
For those smarter than I: Could the President, under national security, claim a state of emergency and bypass all rules and regulations to get the drilling and nuke plants going?
Tom
marinetbryant on June 9, 2008 at 10:28 AM
Well, my car won’t start, so I’m not suffering because of $3.97/gallon prices today, so there!
But seriously, I wouldn’t be suprised if many liberals start clamoring for something to change. So many times I’ve heard lectures about the “evil” of Walmart end with “but I shop there sometimes because it’s cheaper.” Let’s hear it for self-interest.
MamaAJ on June 9, 2008 at 10:29 AM
I just bought a Prius, one of the best decisions I ever made.
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Anyone else notice how many “Greenies” are starting to warm to the idea of nuclear power production? The writing is on the wall. It’s time to make it a reality.
natesnake on June 9, 2008 at 10:31 AM
And on that, we whole heartedly agree
*sky falls*
*pigs fly by*
*Devil comes up topside to buy salt for the sidewalks in hell*
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Congress won’t act at all. I predict that in the event of a total collapse, the last city with the lights on in this nation will be Washington, D.C., and the last houses with lights on will be those of Congresscritters.
What does that tell you?
fossten on June 9, 2008 at 10:32 AM
Romney was the ONLY presidential contender who advocated for drilling ANWR. He was summarily rejected by voters who thought that he was a flip flopper…well Reagan was a flip flopper just like Romney only worse – Reagan started out as a democrat then flipped to being a conservative…wait a minute, changing one’s mind, seeing the light, that’s not a flip flop, that’s just a flip. That’s called waking up…flip flop is changing your mind in front of whatever audience just to pander…NEITHER Reagan nor Romney did that. But Romney is just too clean cut for some people around here…I’m still hoping he’ll be VP.
JustTruth101 on June 9, 2008 at 10:33 AM
I’d love to buy one, except how will that work out with two kids and two labradors on a multiple hour road trip?
pullingmyhairout on June 9, 2008 at 10:36 AM
This is going to be the biggest issue of the campaign.
Woe unto him who is second in getting it.
drjohn on June 9, 2008 at 10:37 AM
P.S. They STARTED plans to expand oil refining here in the midwest in Roxana IL…guess who filed suit to stop it?
JustTruth101 on June 9, 2008 at 10:38 AM
More accurately, Congress and the Presidential wannabes will run around pointing fingers at one another and attempt to pin decades of inaction and ineffective energy policy on “the other guys.” After all, this is an election year.
highhopes on June 9, 2008 at 10:39 AM
I can hardly think of not voting for someone because he was too clean cut…
I just didnt like the guy, not my speed.
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 10:39 AM
What is with CNN lately, The sky is falling!
abinitioadinfinitum on June 9, 2008 at 10:41 AM
The way congress acts is a classic example of preferring the polar bears to people.
Save the Planet, Screw the People.
That’s my new bumper sticker slogan.
pullingmyhairout on June 9, 2008 at 10:41 AM
No doubt … I like this line by him however (paraphrased): “Look, I’m a conservationist … but enough is enough”.
Ditto!
darwin on June 9, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Funny I just had this discussion at work the other day. Gas was alot cheaper before Pelosi and friends took over. Dimmos still argue that the Iraq war was about oil and to profit Bush and Cheney. My greatest hope is that some scientist invents an Engine which runs on water and shuts all these people up. Of course some left wingers will still say “It’s taking water away from the Fish”.
I’m in Florida too, and live about a mile from the Atlantic. I grew up near the oil fields of Pennsylvania and had oil rigs all around. The Oil fields were a part of life and employed many people (myself included for some time) with good paying jobs. This could solve some unemployment issues and energy issues. From what I have read in the past, what they think is the largest Gas field on the planet is located right off the Florida coast in the area considered the Bermuda Triangle. Why not drill off Florida coasts… China and Venezuela are.
BTW, Just say no to Charlie Crist for VP.. Ammendment 1 is cutting alot of Fire and Police, so right there says he’s weak on Security when you cut your 1st Responders.
Fires1
Fires1 on June 9, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Unfortunately nuclear power won’t do much to reduce oil prices. Most electricity in this country is produced by coal. On the plus side increased nuclear would most likely reduce electricity costs and definitely reduce pollution.
Oldnuke on June 9, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Another cause of higher prices…………speculators!
Where’s the SEC on this one? I thought Chris Cox would be all over this.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 9, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Hmmm… McCain is for Nuclear power, BUT…
He has not put forth a bill in Congress, you know, his CURRENT JOB, to allow us to reprocess Nuc waste… something other countries CAN do…
And he is AGAINST Yuca Mountain, and says instead of opening it he wants a Treaty to EXPORT our nuc waste…
You can’t build a plant right now, theres no place to put the Nuc Waste.
McCain is NOT looking at the big picture. Exporting our waste would not only create a HUGE environmental risk (the transport itself), but also a security risk (dirty bombs anyone), and a larger public relations problem (American giving its waste to the Third World??? Wow…)…
Stuck on Stupid.
Romeo13 on June 9, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Electric cars are for the most part impractical, except in town.
Johan Klaus on June 9, 2008 at 10:48 AM
MORE regulation is NOT what is needed right now. If someone is smart enough to make a buck off this disaster, more power to them.
pullingmyhairout on June 9, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Indeed, but wee need to mine the hell out of coal, something that McCain has also talked about.
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 10:48 AM
I should have clarified, plug-in hybrids. More dependence on battery, less on fuel than current hybrids.
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Innovation will get us out of this mess. It won’t happen anytime soon, but it will happen. Just look at GM – they are going to drop the Hummer line – not because of some stupid government mandate, but because no one is buying them.
Congress needs to back off the mandates and let the market work its magic to sort this all out.
pullingmyhairout on June 9, 2008 at 10:51 AM
GM will likely put that money and capacity into pushing out better hybrids.
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Hmmm.
That screwball had a moment of lucidity.
madmonkphotog on June 9, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Squid we agree on many thing BUT this I do not agree with you on.
Natural Gas (which is being harder then ever to get due to EPA and Conservational issues) is what drives many of the Electrical areas of this Nation.
What is the point of using Natural Gas to make electric IF it is going to just power your car. Also check how much it woiuld be to plug a car into your electric to your house. The stats say one thing BUT it actually isn’t true.
Also, those prius are actually WORSE for the envirnoment then a regular gas or dieself vehicle…. because of the special copper topped batteries. Lets say you have to change out either or any of those batteries in that little car. Did you know you will have to file it as a Hazmat issue because they are not able to recycle them. And the mine where they get this copper has devistated the region… nothing grows near it in a 1 mile radius.
There is more to the Energy “issues” then most realize.
upinak on June 9, 2008 at 10:56 AM
excuse my typos.. caffine isn’t working yet…
upinak on June 9, 2008 at 10:57 AM
There’s lots of buzz on the Net about the Bakken shale oil field, under North Dakota, Montana, and southern Manitoba and Saskatchewan. It’s in a thin layer about 10,000 feet down, and geologists estimate it contains about 200 Billion barrels of oil (about 40 years’ worth of current imports). It’s somewhat hard to get, and requires horizontal drilling, that costs about $20-$40 per barrel, but those with the technology could make money at current oil prices. There’s lots of debate over how much is “easily” recoverable, with estimates as low as 2.7 billion and as high as 50 billion barrels. But with better technology, maybe they can get more–but we need to go after this oil!
There’s another shale oil big deposit in the Rockies, under parts of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming, most of it under Federal lands, and therein lies the rub. Shale oil was tried in the 1970’s, then abandoned, when the price of oil declined below recovery costs, but THAT probably won’t happen again! Time to open up that land–enforce existing environmental regulations, but let’s pay American workers to get American oil, and stop funding madrassas in Saudi Arabia!
Earth to McCain: if you want to decrease prices, either decrease demand (not gonna happen) or increase supply!
LET’S DRILL!!!
Steve Z on June 9, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Well hell, this is something I could have known before I bought the thing…
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Nope! Nuclear utilities have given up on a government solution and are moving ahead with above ground storage. Almost no maintenance, very small footprint, unlike Yucca and proven reliable technology right now. Long term storage isn’t the problem it was in the past. You just never hear about it since it’s not sensational. Several utilities are moving forward and making preparations to build new nuclear plants as we speak.
McCain is a typical entrenced, entitled, denizen of Washington with no real grasp on reality or any vision of the future. You’re absolutely right about being stuck on stupid. In that regard he’s right in there with the rest of congress.
Oldnuke on June 9, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Well, they also need to come down on the price – $50K for a Tahoe Hybrid is a rip off.
pullingmyhairout on June 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Yeah… sell it now and get a gas economy friedly car. You can sell those prius for more then you paid now.
Also if you EVER have a battery changed out.. make sure that you read the fine print on it. You may have to pay up to 1000 dollars to change it out (this does not include a new one and this is the bigger of the batteries), PLUS outragous hazmat fees.
upinak on June 9, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Not to mention the nickel in those same batteries! That’s an issue in itself.
Oldnuke on June 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Ask GM or anyone who supposedly has a Hybred and have a mechanic show you exactly what is different from a Hybred or a Regualr old truck or car.
Bet you they won’t be able to show you.
So you are right it is a rip off.
upinak on June 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM
“Drill Here, Drill Now.” I like it! Good slogan.
You would think Saudi Arabia would see the result of its greed: Obama will be elected, and terrorists within the Kingdom and without will be emboldened.
End of Kingdom.
PattyJ on June 9, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Let’s see, we need more opened areas, more drilling, more refineries and throw in a couple of new nuclear power plants while you are at it. May as well start some pilot production for oil to shale, follow the lead of the Chinese, and take the money from the nonsensical ethanol boondoogle and put it to good use,
If you think people are stupid enough to pay more in taxes so government can pretend to control the weather, you elected types are even dumber than I thought.
Anyone want to bet the election will be all about the economy? Tax and spend and spend some more is going to look pretty decrepit compared to the unemployed people around the country.
I wonder what Comrade Obama will say? Or what’s his plan to fix the problem? Oh yeah, didn’t he say tough, it’s going to be hard to not drive when you want. That sure is the American spirit, with alarge dose of communism thrown in it’s face.
And while you are fixing things, lets get some reasearch into cold resistant plants, food plants, pronto. Going to be a bad few decades for food coming up — If the sun predictions are anywhere near true.
tarpon on June 9, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Oldnuke I just want to HUG you. It also isn’t just the nickel. There is a special alloy that they also put in it that is corrosive as hell! Let us try and pour a coke on the battery to clean it off. And watch what happens….. kinda scarey!
upinak on June 9, 2008 at 11:07 AM
I go even further in that it is their wet dream to drive this country to a second world status with a communistic ruling class. It is and has always been their goal and this environmental scam is working far better and quicker than even they thought. As long as the USA is the most powerful first world nation on the planet the liberals will not get the status and position they all know they deserve. I despise the world I have left to my children but my fondest wish is to be alive when the great revolution takes place. I just want to see the faces of the useful idiots when they are lined up against the wall. That said I still say that as conservatives we have nobody to blame but ourselves. Why did we allow the liberals to gain so much power? Why did we allow ourselves to be swayed by fear of being hateful or racist. How many of you will secretly pull the lever for Obama because you fear being perceived as a racist? I suspect far more of you than are willing to admit. Most conservatives are posers. They talk the talk on these basically anonymous forums but can’t ever bring themselves to walk the walk. This country is the way it is because of the conservatives fear of being disliked and we deserve to be around during it’s collapse.
jmarcure on June 9, 2008 at 11:07 AM
I dod some quick research, appparently that mine in Ontario (I am assuming that that is the one you are referring too) was polluted over 30 years ago and has since stopped to procedures that caused the damage…
My Prius has a nickel-hydride battery, I am assuming that is what you are referring too. Unless we are talking about two different things (copper and nickel). I am no engineer, so all my knowledge is basic.
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Hold that thought.. let me get my potatoes in storage right now for the decades to come!
upinak on June 9, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I feel sorry for Jim Cramer because he is now fired. You do not talk about getting more EVIL OIL if you work for a Liberal Kook news like NBC. Al Snore will make sure he is fired. Hope Cramer has his stuff packed and saved a lot of his money.
BroncosRock on June 9, 2008 at 11:09 AM
The mine is in South America. It is a copper/nickel/aluminum alloy mix (better conductivity), NEVER pour coke on it.
Ontario shut it down but the one in South America is twice as big and not the same regualtions that canada or the US have.
They will also be opening another in Africa soon.
upinak on June 9, 2008 at 11:10 AM
1.5-2 TRILLION barrels in shale oil in the midwest.
If we can defeat freaking Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, in one of the largest forms of human exertion in history, we can freaking go get that 1.5-2 trillion barrels of oil like a drunk guy after a girl at a frat house.
blatantblue on June 9, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Prius Versus Hummer: A Nickel for Your Thoughts: http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/200711/...
“I read an article stating the Prius has a worse impact on the environment than a Hummer because of the enormous pollution created in making the car’s batteries. True?” : http://www.straightdope.com/columns/0804...
Hummer versus Prius: “Dust to Dust” Report Misleads the Media and Public with Bad Science: http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integrity_...
Prius Versus HUMMER: Exploding the Myth: http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto_New...
Giving Directions: No, the Hummer Actually Isn’t More Energy Efficient Than A Prius, Let’s Put This “Debate” To Rest: http://www.betterworldclub.com/articles/...
Dust in the Wind: Hybrids’ Total Energy Cost: http://www.hybridcars.com/environment-st...
Hybrid Battery Toxicity: http://www.hybridcars.com/battery-toxici...
Heard the One About the Hummer?: http://www.toyota.com/html/dyncon/2007/s...
Usually the mythic “article” from The Mail on the nickel in the hybrid cars’ NiMH batteries is quoted from a now retracted article. The retraction that clears up this bit of misinformation is at: http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live...
(They were using data from the early 1970’s about the INCO-Sudbury nickel mine, which was more than 20 years before the first hybrids needed NiMH batteries, and the plant has greatly cleaned themselves up and reforested the area since then. If you were to add up the amount of nickel in the million+ hybrids sold since 1997, the total is less than 1% of the world’s annual nickel production (far more nickel is used for stainless steel, for example).)
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Actually, I was thinking that the President could do something…
“In the 28 years since ANWR was appropriated through legislature for use by the Federal Government, it has never fulfilled the Constitutional requirements for such use. Therefore, I am issuing an Executive Order returning ANWR to the State of Alaska. I pray that they will listen to their constituents and seek to use the resources that God has given their great state.”
dominigan on June 9, 2008 at 11:14 AM
I have said it for weeks now, if congress stated we will begin drilling for oil and fast trac three new refineries in the U.S., just that threat alone would 1/2 the oil prices overnight…and the bonus would be, a few speculators jumping out of buildings…
right2bright on June 9, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Ed this is a great thread BTW. Well done!
upinak on June 9, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Once again, the whining Democrats promised and did not deliver.
How high will consumer goods climb and home heating soar before someone actually does something? I’m guessing never.
Obamas answer is to appease the countries that provide us with oil, and maybe the oil prices will drop, and raise taxes.
Hening on June 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM
right, I wish they would take Oil, Natural Gas… ok more or less all fossil fuels off the commodities and then see what happens.
Bet you it would go down so fast that it woould look like we were going into a depression.
upinak on June 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Yup! Unfortunately that would take a commodity that’s become almost non-existent in our government. Cojones!
Oldnuke on June 9, 2008 at 11:20 AM
When will the Republican President and the Republican nominee for President start hammering this issue?
When pigs fly.
Christine on June 9, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Ed, your “Drill here, drill now” link is to Newt Gingrich’s American Solutions website. The AS platform maintains that “Global warming/climate change is real” and caused by man-made C02. I would buy a “Drill here, drill now” bumper sticker, but not so long as Newt buys into and supports the anthropogenic global warming hoax.
He—and John McCain—are working at cross purposes with the needs and desires of the American people, and with the facts. CO2 is NOT a ‘pollutant’, and does not cause ‘climate change’.
****AMERICAN ENERGY FOR AMERICAN GROWTH!*****
MrLynn on June 9, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Sorry, I meant to post that last one for you, sister.
I could not find anything about the S.A. mine, hopefully the recycling situation will be better when the time comes to change out.
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 11:22 AM
To each his own. I, ironically, have one on the Prius :)
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 11:23 AM
I’m not really sure why AOL polls are used. They are notoriously abused.
Connie on June 9, 2008 at 11:23 AM
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