I was asking your opinion of the best weapon non Muslims can use against Islam and it’s followers to destabilize Islam to destruction.

BL@KBIRD on June 9, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Support a missionary.

*Seinfeld………4?

While I am aware of the Islamic supremacist threat to the U.S. and the free world in general, please remember: we don’t have thoughtcrime in the United States.

Robert Spencer on June 9, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Maybe you are looking at it the wrong way Mr. Spencer. It is against the law to advocate the overthrow of the US Government. You know better than most that at it’s core it is a supremacist belief system that cannot rest until it has indeed overthrown the United States.

Indonesia moves to ban moderate Muslim group

There’s no such thing as a moderate Muslim. It’s all written in the Koran, plus perpetual war was declared against nonbelievers years ago.

Because, when push comes to shove, the so-called moderate must team up with the radical, or else, they’ll lose their heads. Anything else is just wishful, and foolish thinking. Albeit, the West has it’s share of fools that believe ALL can be accomplished with lace, and nice talk!

My experience of Ahmadiyya Muslims has matched yours.

I have met several members of the denomination, and they are among the most anti-Christian, and anti-Western Muslims I have encountered. Many are active in Islamic apologetics. They sprang out of Pakistan in the 19th century, as an anti-British movement. Unfortunately, their inflammatory ideology makes an easy stepping stone for radical Islam.

Of course their persecution is appalling, but I’ll not be crying too hard about this measure.

Nice! I may have to steal that.

trubble on June 9, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Full disclosure–I lifted it from Mark Steyn. One of his many great turns of phrase.

Actually, Indonesia’s Islam was pretty mellow and folk-ish until the Wahhabi oil money started advancing the Burka King franchise. Indonesia is one of the places where Islam spread more or less peacefully, from Islamic trading outposts. Though they developed a homegrown jihadi brand or two in the interim which the Dutch crushed.

Another (tragic) reason Ahmadis are reviled: their pacifism.

DRPrice on June 9, 2008

Yep. It’s still very folkish in the villages. It’s really not wrong to say that most Indonesians are moderate in practice. What is true, however, is that they are easily swayed (or indimidated) into a more fanatical position.

Extremist fringe gets its way, in the usual manner.

As the noted Islamophobe Mark Steyn puts it, the majority cannot, by definition, be extremist.

Moops?

Robert Spencer on June 9, 2008 at 3:34 PM

A reference to a Seinfeld episode I believe, meaning the Moors.

If Islam cannot legislated against then what is your thought on metaphorically slaying the Moops and rendering Islam to room temp?

I thought you had been banned.

Can we ban Islam now?

While I am aware of the Islamic supremacist threat to the U.S. and the free world in general, please remember: we don’t have thoughtcrime in the United States.

Can we ban Islam now?

How about banning YOU. From this site. Bigot.

Ponder that. Ponder the implications.

Muhammed was child-molesting nut possessed by the demon named Allah. Is this statement “offensive” enough to Indonesia’s Muslims?

jgapinoy on June 9, 2008 at 2:04 PM

I would take severe offense at your gross misunderstainding of the peaceful prophet – if your words weren’t so true.

But we still have folks convinced….CONVINCED that somehow we are going to bring sweetness and light to them by merely giving them the vote. Islam is moderate…yea whatever.

advancing the Burka King franchise.
DRPrice on June 9, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Nice! I may have to steal that.

Both of these are essentially pacifist faiths.

many in the nation of 235 million consider it offensive that the sect does not recognize Muhammad as the last prophet.

Sounds very familiar… are the Mormons behind this? It could be that the LDS church has decided to expand into Islam.