George Will: Obama will crush McCain
posted at 1:41 pm on June 9, 2008 by Allahpundit
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If, that is, he can mobilize turnout among blacks and young voters in the general election (and why wouldn’t/couldn’t he?). Two clips here, the first the bad news and the second the “good” news as Pat Buchanan fantasizes about the rise of a new conservative movement from the ashes of the Democrats’ victory and inevitable mismanagement. Let’s hope this new generation of paleocons remembers to put the blame for World War II on whom it belongs, i.e. Winston Churchill.
Read Will’s op-ed for Newsweek, too, about the two shoes yet to drop. I think he’s overstating the extent to which the Obama/Muslim smear has penetrated (especially post-Wright) and how much it’s influencing people’s votes, but his point about Hillary’s women supporters turning their backs on McCain when they find out he’s pro-life is well taken. Or is it? Geraldine Ferraro reminds our favorite liberal that pro-choice Democrats had no problem handing 49 states to her opponent in 1984. And this Pew poll on abortion from 2006 finds not only no gender gap on the issue, but 51% of self-described moderate/conservative Democrats agreeing that the practice should be illegal in most or all circumstances.
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“What’s your battle plan general?”, asked the major.
“Wait for the enemy to screw up then nail him”, the general said.
“Good idea!”
Limerick on June 9, 2008 at 11:42 PM
In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable.
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
MB4 on June 9, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Exactly!
Those that think the voting ranks of the GOP will swell beyond the ranks of those that are getting the free stuff from those of us who actually pay for it .. are delusional.
Even 4 years of Obama will turn the tide but 8 years will seal the deal.
Texas Gal on June 9, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Wanna put your money where your
mouthkeyboard is?I’ll wager $500 with you right now, that if Obama is elected President, the Democrats will lose their majority in Congress in the 2010 mid term elections… if he is not impeached or otherwise removed from office.
And I’ll further wager another $500 with you that if McCain wins, the Democrats will hold a clear majority in Congress until at least 2014… assuming the nation survives that long.
Whaddya say? I’m willing to put $1000 in escrow right now if you will also do it under the same terms.
LegendHasIt on June 9, 2008 at 11:57 PM
More than enough for a permanent majority.
And as weak and uneducated as our populace is, the ‘cleansing crash’ could as likely lead to a true dictatorship as it is to lead to a Conservative resurgence.
techno_barbarian on June 10, 2008 at 12:40 AM
Heh. I should’ve read the next couple of comments.
techno_barbarian on June 10, 2008 at 12:42 AM
A lot of folks are underestimating, in my opinion, just how much damage could be wrought to our economy and our society under four years of Democratic hegemony.
Underestimating, too, just how much inertia these immense Democrat-instituted entitlement ‘changes’ will have once set in motion.
hillbillyjim on June 10, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Funny how quiet it gets when you offer people the chance to put something substantial where their opinions are.
Anyone else want to take me up on my offer to Texas Gal?
I’ll put up $500 against your $500 that if Obama is elected President in 2008 that the Democrats will lose their majority in Congress in the 2010 mid-term elections, provided Obama isn’t impeached or otherwise replaced in office prior to … say July 15, 2010.
And I’ll put up another $500 against your $500 that if McCain wins the Presidency in this 2008 election, and also is not replaced in office before July 15, 2010, that the Democrats will retain a significant Congressional majority until at least 2014.
You can pick the escrow agent, as long as it is an established corporate entity , licensed and bonded, which is not one of your personal friends or family members. We split the escrow fee if the interest from our stakes isn’t enough for them to accept the escrow account.
I’m sure that Michelle, Allahpundit and Ed don’t want me to turn this place into a bookie parlor, So, I’ll post an entry over at my blog (click my user name) if anyone wants to put their political prognostication skills up against mine.
LegendHasIt on June 10, 2008 at 2:34 AM
Watson just informed me that he heard a pin drop. As for me, this reminds me of my case where the dog didn’t bark.
Holmes on June 10, 2008 at 3:09 AM
Is a clear majority a veto-proof majority?
Do Obama’s supreme ct. justices get impeached when he does?
JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 6:56 AM
My NY birth certificate lists my parents’ religion. I’ve tried to google Obama’s but can’t find it. I wonder if his does.
Fwiw, I believe the mixed race, mixed religion Obama has tried out all the parts of his personality at one time or another, essentially settling for a black man…. for now.
JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 7:09 AM
We said that about clinton, too.
A demofascist president and congress will implement the fairness doctrine and more “campaign reform” and may never lose power again. Let me change that, they will never lose power . For some reason almost all conservatives and republicans seem to think the demofascists are still Americans. They are not Americans in any philisophical or ideological sense of the word. Just living on this continent doesn’t make someone an American. It’s our history, traditions, mores and individualistic attitudes. They do not love America or her history. They think our history sucks, our form of government sucks and our economic system sucks. We are coming up on the cliff and we have been asleep at the wheel. Too many have thought that history was over and nothing could ever radically change. We are about to put a authoritarian marxist government in place at the worst possible time in the history of our country and the world. Dark days are ahead.
peacenprosperity on June 10, 2008 at 7:13 AM
Somebody got him the nomination. Does that happen in your great nation? And if not your fellow citizens, then there are some powerful special interests that run things (hint: the media, Soros, academia, etc.)
JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 7:14 AM
A lot more folks are understanding just how much terrible damage eight years of the George W. Bush Administration has already done to our economy, our prestige world wide and the veritable destruction, by overextension and over deployment of our once proud and powerful military.
J_Gocht on June 10, 2008 at 8:31 AM
George Will probably has it correct. After 4 years of the Bush administration I think the country will put a Democrat in office. We went to war with Iraq for what exactly? We haven’t stabilized a damn thing in the middle east and our gas costs have hardly gone down. Americans will not tolerate 6 years of Nation Building by any Administration…it is NOT what our military is for! We have NOT secured our borders and Bush hasn’t delivered on a conservative agenda! Now the Republicans put forth John McCain as the answer! C’mon! Are they serious? It is looking like a replay of the last Bush when Clinton was swept into office and Bush and McCain have zero idea of how to help the congress so get ready for a huge defeat there as well! Good job President Bush!
sabbott on June 10, 2008 at 8:53 AM
Sorry, 8 years of Bush…my bad!
sabbott on June 10, 2008 at 8:53 AM
To try and stop global Islamic terrorism. To try to prevent another World trade Center and pentagon attack. To try to destroy Al-Qaeda. To try and prevent the proliferation of wmd. To try and offer the Arabs/Muslims an alternative to what they’ve known.
7 years later, rather successful.
JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 9:08 AM
Hey JxD, you must be Vice President Cheney’s speech writer…?
If not; you’re a “dead ringer” for one of his delusional staff members…!
J_Gocht on June 10, 2008 at 9:19 AM
With the MSM totally in the tank for BHO, he barely won the democratic primary.
While the MSM may pretend they can ignore the Chicago corruption machine that runs BHO through the entire election, I doubt if they can.
The Kerry balloon popped with just one little poke on one issue.
Gore shot himself with his creepiness and pride.
Obama offers a target rich environment on policy, antisemitism, taxes, defense, his televangelist rhetoric, his empty promises, his inability to speak spontaneously, etc.
This is so far from over it is not funny.
hunter on June 10, 2008 at 9:28 AM
Iraq wasn’t involved with the Trade Center attack… [Saudis; were]
Al Qaeda was not in Iraq until we attacked and became easy and vulnerable targets…[Afghanistan; based]
Iraq had no WWD…[Iran was trying and North Korea; did]
Christians will never convert Muslims… you JxD just don’t “get it”…?
Zero out of four…back to training camp for you!
Or perhaps; writing speeches for “Big Dick”…!
J_Gocht on June 10, 2008 at 9:34 AM
absolutely true the USA becomes the USSA.
right4life on June 10, 2008 at 9:35 AM
oops sorry, even the senate dumbocrats admit:
Statements that Iraq provided safe haven for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other al Qaeda-related terrorist members were substantiated by the intelligence assessments.
Intelligence assessments noted Zarqawi’s presence in Iraq and his ability to travel and operate within the country. The intelligence community generally believed that Iraqi intelligence must have known about, and therefore at least tolerated, Zarqawi’s presence in the country.
Regarding postwar information collected by the U.S. intelligence community, the report reads:
Postwar information supports prewar assessments and statements that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was in Baghdad and that al Qaeda was present in northern Iraq.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/206xwlcs.asp
right4life on June 10, 2008 at 9:37 AM
You aren’t one of those nutballs who actually thinks Cheney is the devil, and that Bush and Cheney have no followers, and that EVERYONE is against the Iraq war, are you?
btw, my brother was outside of the WTC when it was hit (he worked in the World Financial Center in the next building and is fine), and I passed through that building everyday for years. Watching the people JUMP from the top is, to use a hackneyed phrase, seared into my memory. It is something I will never, ever, forget, my Pearl Harbor.
That we have been safe from that kind of terrorism this long is nothing short of amazing.
I AM ETERNALLY GRATEFUL TO BUSH AND CHENEY AND OUR MILITARY FOR THAT!
Call me any kind of loon you wish. Nothing will change my opinion.
JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 9:37 AM
so how come a sarin shell exploded by our troops?
we do all the time, why do you think they have to ruthlessly suppress christianity? they cannot win the argument.
right4life on June 10, 2008 at 9:38 AM
And never will. Remember, you libs will ALWAYS have opposition. We will NEVER give up. You can lock us away in labor camps, mental institutions, take away our right to work, our guns etc. But we will always be your opposition. You may be having your day in the sun now, but it won’t always be so.
JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 9:40 AM
Enough said.
wdlp1965 on June 10, 2008 at 9:42 AM
http://www.careerbuilder.com/monk-e-mail/?mid=25870071
Sorry.. now enough said, lol.
wdlp1965 on June 10, 2008 at 9:43 AM
Thanks for the info. It’s an argument that’s been battled back and forth for awhile now. Not interested in debating him. Just wanted him to know that the people that stand in the way of his socialist heaven will NEVER be out of his way :)
JiangxiDad on June 10, 2008 at 9:43 AM
I’m afraid they have a few plans to accomplish just that…its what socialists do.
ps: I wish they would fix the javascript errors that keep popping up after I post….
right4life on June 10, 2008 at 9:46 AM
This geezer has to go to work folks. More drivel and naive notions to be posted by me later today, good Lord willing and the creek don’t rise here in SW Wisconsin?
H&K’s J_Gocht sends… :)
J_Gocht on June 10, 2008 at 9:47 AM
What is important in the coming election is the majority the Dhimmis receive in the house and senate. Right now they seem to be heading for veto proof majorities in each; they may have to count on the remaining Rinos for a little help but it will be there when needed. This means that even if McCain wins he’ll be a lame duck from the outset. The only issue where he would have somewhat of an advantage would be judges. But even then Ds would refuse and refuse until he named someone friendly to a womans’s right to murder and wants to breath life into the constitution.
If Imam Obama wins expect rapid fire immigration reform and fast tracking to citizenship for the lost tribe of 12 million already here. These new voters will guarantee a one party system for the next thirty years.
Annar on June 10, 2008 at 12:15 PM
LOL.. you sound like one of those email scammers that my spam catcher grabs and toss in the trash bin. This election is not a joke, but you seem to think it is. You sound rather immature to me.
Texas Gal on June 10, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Well said. Being soft with these guys has never worked, they always want more. Someone has to oppose them until their hubris turns the cycle back our way.
kongzilla on June 10, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Well I would, but I agree with you. So it would be rather silly to bet against myself.
;)
wearyman on June 10, 2008 at 12:37 PM
You sound like a blowhard to me.
It is easy to be certain that one’s opinions are correct and everyone with with a differing one is an idiot. But when it is time tp put up something besides Hot Air, you chicken out.
No scam; YOU get to pick the escrow agent. I don’t even get to see your money until I win it. Or maybe you don’t even know what an escrow agent is??
I’m deadly serious about this election. I don’t see the destruction of America by either idiot the least bit funny. You people who think you are better at political analysis than I, but refuse to back up your claims in any substantive way, are the joke.
Simple majority. A veto-proof Majority is too rare historically to factor in…. OK, you want something to sweeten the pot? I’ll give you a simple majority plus five.
There may be no new Justices to impeach by 2010. not part of the wager.
LegendHasIt on June 10, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Although I might be willing to work up a small side bet on the situation with future justices too, for either McCain or Obama if you are really that interested.
I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. Anyone else have enough faith in their opinions to do the same?
LegendHasIt on June 10, 2008 at 3:19 PM
I call you an AMERICAN. Thanks.
leftnomore on June 10, 2008 at 4:31 PM
I’m back, time to rock and roll…!
So Holmes, my dear fellow… what often is most important is what is not said?
Interesting concept and rather intriguing.
Come, come now folks. There’s a golden sun arisin’..! See look there just between the mountains to the east. It’s gonna be a beautiful day… Mark my words!
Question is; what did President Bush know and when did he know it?
“Always expect the unexpected and nevertheless you’ll still be surprised”…!
J_Gocht on June 10, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Damn! You sound just like George W. Bush!
Well, you sound just like George W. Bush used to sound.
Maybe I’m missing something here. I mean, we’re going to have kind of a nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not. Our militarys meant to fight and win war. That’s what it’s meant to do. And when it gets overextended, morale drops. But I’m going to be judicious as to how to use the military. It needs to be in our vital interest, the mission needs to be clear, and the exit strategy obvious.
- George W. Bush on October 11 2000
MB4 on June 10, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Question is; what did President Bush know and when did he know it?
J_Gocht on June 10, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Ha ha ha hahahaaaa
Gochty is a Troofer!
Sekhmet on June 10, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Interesting … you accuse me of calling you an idiot when I didn’t. I just disagreed with your opinion. I said it was wishful thinking and commented why. Your preferred strategy for discussing differences in points of view is to place a wager and wait 2 ½ years. And because I’m not interested in your proposal, you accuse me of chickening out of something I never entered into.
Unique debating strategy you have there. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen it before.
At least I’m not an immature blowhard.
Texas Gal on June 10, 2008 at 5:43 PM
No, just a gutless one who has no real faith in her own bloviations.
Who has proved herself not worth any more time or consideration from me.
Have a good life.
LegendHasIt on June 10, 2008 at 6:53 PM
LHI, I don’t have $1,000 just lying around. And if Obama wins, I’m going to need every cent I can scrape up to move out of the socialist hell of California to a “shall-issue” state and buy ammo. So, sorry, no bet. :-(
Mary in LA on June 10, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Heck, if McCain wins, I’ll still need every cent I can scrape up to move out of the socialist hell of California to a “shall-issue” state and buy ammo.
I used to love Arnie. Sigh…
Mary in LA on June 10, 2008 at 8:52 PM
One more thing, LHI, I wouldn’t make the mistake of equating lack of funds with lack of guts… ;-)
Mary in LA on June 10, 2008 at 8:56 PM
HA, Mary… I like that 8:52 post the best. :-)
I’ve just been trying to prove a point: It is easy to post your opinion and think others with a differing opinion have not given the matter cogent analysis.
It is a whole different thing to actually back up your opinion with something that matters.
Maybe we could make a wager on it… Not for money… Loser comes and does ’spring cleaning’ on the winner’s house or something ;-)
LegendHasIt on June 10, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Gutless?
ROFLMAO
Truth is LHI, my expendable income goes to Soldiers’ Angels, Adopt-a-Platoon, VFW International, USO, RNC, TexasGOP, and Senator John Cornyn’s re-election, as well as, several local charities who provide programs to the youth in my community.
NOT to someone like you.
Texas Gal on June 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Far be it from me to want take money from a great philanthropist for my own dirty, greedy purposes…..
(Although I do take note that when you sneer that your money won’t go
means that you are afraid that I’m correct and that you would lose the wager.. If you were as sure of your opinion as you pretend to be, it would have been more like “I’m not going to be tainted by taking dirty money from someone like you”.)
How’s this then: We make the wager. Loser’s money goes to the VFW in the winners name. Winner gets his stake back, or donate it too, as the mood strikes him at the moment of truth.
The reason I say VFW, rather than picking one of the other charities is because I refuse to support the RNC or the State Parties, due to what they have allowed to happen under their watches, and the others may not be functioning by the time the wagers come to fruition.
I’ll even sweeten the pot. 1.5 to 1 odds on either one, but not both, of the wagers, your choice. You kick in $500, I’ll put in $750. You win, the VFW gets at least $750. I win, the VFW gets at least $500… that you would have given them anyway, right?
Plus, I’ll go one further: I’ll donate $25.00 directly to Cornyn’s campaign within 24 hours of you accepting the wager. He gets that, guaranteed, even if you renege on the deal. I don’t mind contributing directly to the campaigns of the candidates who haven’t betrayed my conservative values.
Whaddya say, sport?
LegendHasIt on June 10, 2008 at 11:37 PM
I have never regarded George Will as a conservative.
Maxx on June 10, 2008 at 11:46 PM
I say this is all about YOU and not our country or our military AND I don’t need YOU to support my Senator or our military.
Texas Gal on June 10, 2008 at 11:51 PM
BTW..
Hahahaha!
Texas Gal on June 10, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Guess I have proven my point to the peanut gallery.
Money talks, BS walks.
LegendHasIt on June 10, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Yes .. I agree.. in YOUR WORLD money talks .. I feel sad for you.
Texas Gal on June 11, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Oh and btw…. who exactly is the peanut gallery here at HA? Those that don’t agree with your immature “political analysis”?
Texas Gal on June 11, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Just made a donation to Cornyn’s campaign, in Texas Gal’s name.
AND donation to Soldiers Angels…. No place to put comments, so she gets no ‘brownie points’ for that donation.
Proof is on my blog, for any “Doubting Thomases”
Hope that really makes her mad.
After all, it is all about ME.
LegendHasIt on June 11, 2008 at 12:38 AM
GREAT!
But no, it doesn’t make me mad that I don’t get any “brownie points”.
That’s the difference between me and you.
I don’t need credit.
The joy is in the giving .. not in the recognition.
Texas Gal on June 11, 2008 at 12:52 AM
Guess I could have stated that more precisely…
I didn’t mean lack of credit for the brownie points would make you mad: I meant donating to them them after you implied that your charities would be better off without my tainted contributions.
You still don’t have a clue as to what kind of person I am, what is in my past, present or might be in my future. Because I challenged you, you are ready to think the worst of me overall, rather than just keeping it to whatever differences we have on this specific subject and whatever our specific responses say about our personalities on this one specific thread.
LegendHasIt on June 11, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Still not saying it right.
I wanted Texas Gal to get ALL the ‘brownie points’… Because I thought that it would make her even more angry at me.
It was never about the money. It was about credibility. Opinions are worth nothing if you are unable to back them up with either verifiable facts or if you are willing to sacrifice something in the belief that you are correct.
I’m willing to stand behind my beliefs, even if it hurts. Occasionally I like to test to see other people are willing to do the same, or if mere lip service is as far as they are willing to go.
The last time I did anything just for the money was my summer job chopping weeds around the golf course with a hand scythe when I was 11 years old. I hated doing that so much, that after that, every job I took, every business I started was done for the excitement, the learning and/or the enjoyment… Money is about #45 on the list of things that motivate me.
LegendHasIt on June 11, 2008 at 2:45 AM
HEH.. TR on the leadership test that follows. Thank God; I’d have had to shoot myself if it had said I was Weasley Clark
LegendHasIt on June 11, 2008 at 3:43 AM
Crud, sorry, wrong thread. Ignore that last one.
LegendHasIt on June 11, 2008 at 3:44 AM
George Will hasn’t been right about anything since 1980. He’s a D.C. Fool.
Griz on June 11, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Final comment from me on this issue you placed between us. I made no such implication about your money being “tainted.” And I’d suggest to you that the reason you thought you “would make me mad” or “even more angry” by donating to my charities is your projection. I was not and am not mad or angry at you. And no, I wasn’t ready to think anything about you much less the worst. My comment “someone like you” refers to the type of personality you portrayed in your exchange with me. It wasn’t a judgment it was an observation. Perhaps you should go back and read over the comments that brought you to this point because you never offered the opportunity to me to have a discussion about our differences on this specific subject. Actually you shut down the opportunity to have a discussion by proposing that I place a wager with you and in 2 ½ years and 4 ½ years we’d see who was right. You then accused me of chickening out of a wager I never agreed to.
Texas Gal on June 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM
If the EU and US succeed in buying off private steamship carriers from sailing to Iran, we’ll have open war with Iran before the elections. Everything seems to be on a timeline to coincide with the end of our great visionary President’s term. He doesn’t give a good #@#$@ what the current view on his (and Israel, the EU, Turkey, SA,the UAE and anyone else who wants a shot at Iran) actions with respect to Iran. He’s looking out for the US longterm. Does anyone doubt a disruption in supply is becoming a bigger and bigger part of the premium built into the price of a bbl today? It’s going to happen before Bush’s term is up.
pc on June 11, 2008 at 4:03 PM
And when that dominoe falls, all this hoohay before, the Obama infatuation included, will evaporate into thin air. We’ll either unite or it’ll get ugly at the campuses. By the way, does anyone bother to tell the kids democrats plan on using the draft as the means for controlling our foreign policy moves.
pc on June 11, 2008 at 4:06 PM
The MSM’s meddling is far more adept and controlling than anyone realizes. May I suggest a book: The Control Room: How Television Calls the Shots in Presidential Elections. Plissner never really actually critiques his own profession (!) for their corrosive meddling, but if we weren’t living through it right now, it’d be shocking how the self-ordained “media elites” manipulate the primary process for their own end.
This book is almost 10 years old. Plissner rather coyly argues that the media just does what it does for the bottom line, and maybe 10 years ago people would’ve actually believed that. But we all know that today the media is nothing more than the propaganda arm of the Left. There’s no denying it. So the rather tee-hee “insider” aspect of Plissner’s writing now serves to underscore the farcical primary process in this 2008 election. It has become a farce and a calamity of gargantuan proportions for our country.
Redhead Infidel on June 11, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Yea, Pat Buchanan has got a bad case of the pip, so it’s cheerio to that moonbat.
As for George Will, well, he’s a pseudo-conservative nutbag too.
Christine on June 11, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Okay, LHI, now you’re talking! Can you prune fruit trees? :-)
Mary in LA on June 11, 2008 at 8:39 PM
That’s “prune”, the verb. The trees in question are plums (not of the prune variety, though we had those when I was growing up in northern CA and they were wonderful).
Mary in LA on June 11, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Never done any real, ’scientific’ pruning before, but I used to be pretty skilled at chopping things off and up.
LegendHasIt on June 12, 2008 at 2:42 AM
I’m about to delete this thread from my bookmarks, so anyone wanting to discuss any of this stuff further will need to be done on my blog or more recent HotAir threads.
LegendHasIt on June 12, 2008 at 2:45 AM
Did you get ice with that kool aid? Do facts mean a damn thing to you?
Monkei on June 14, 2008 at 3:54 PM
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