George Will: Obama will crush McCain
posted at 1:41 pm on June 9, 2008 by Allahpundit
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If, that is, he can mobilize turnout among blacks and young voters in the general election (and why wouldn’t/couldn’t he?). Two clips here, the first the bad news and the second the “good” news as Pat Buchanan fantasizes about the rise of a new conservative movement from the ashes of the Democrats’ victory and inevitable mismanagement. Let’s hope this new generation of paleocons remembers to put the blame for World War II on whom it belongs, i.e. Winston Churchill.
Read Will’s op-ed for Newsweek, too, about the two shoes yet to drop. I think he’s overstating the extent to which the Obama/Muslim smear has penetrated (especially post-Wright) and how much it’s influencing people’s votes, but his point about Hillary’s women supporters turning their backs on McCain when they find out he’s pro-life is well taken. Or is it? Geraldine Ferraro reminds our favorite liberal that pro-choice Democrats had no problem handing 49 states to her opponent in 1984. And this Pew poll on abortion from 2006 finds not only no gender gap on the issue, but 51% of self-described moderate/conservative Democrats agreeing that the practice should be illegal in most or all circumstances.
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Um, because the young never vote depsite all the hype that they will do so in droves for the liberal canidate in every election?
NotCoach on June 9, 2008 at 1:44 PM
I sincerely don’t see how Obama could even fathom winning in November. Based on what? I don’t think people will tolerate many more months of Hope and Change.
freevillage on June 9, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Women are generally more opposed to abortion than men surprisingly enough.
NotCoach on June 9, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Whatever.
WisCon on June 9, 2008 at 1:49 PM
You stole my thought, verbatim. Perfect.
Jaibones on June 9, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Not-President Kerry was supposed to mobilize the youth vote, too.
amerpundit on June 9, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Unfortunately, those who do vote feelings and fads and not knowledge.
Connie on June 9, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Ha, ha, very sly!
RushBaby on June 9, 2008 at 1:51 PM
People will suck it up and ask for more. With the MSM completely in the bag for the Obamassiah, lack of support de facto evidence of racism, and the Dem history of election fraud I suspect we will see Hussein as POTUS next fall.
iconoclast on June 9, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Hussein has zero chance of winning in November. All his past associations will stick to him like glue and all the gaffe’s he has committed will harden it. His own racist, anti american and marxist admonitions will put the finishing polish on him.
McNumbnuts will be our next president. Both Clintons have said as much and the dem leadership also know he has no chance. the MSM is in the tank for hussein, so this is their desperate mantra.
dogsoldier on June 9, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Not really so surprising at all. Many men base their view on whatever view the female they happen to be with holds. That has been the biggest reason for any growth of feminism. (If you disagree with me, no nookie for you). It worked.
Connie on June 9, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Will castigates our “historically illiterate public”, yet he’s making absolute predictions about what will happen in Nov., when historically most races changed dramatically in the several months leading up to the election.
jgapinoy on June 9, 2008 at 1:55 PM
I won’t argue with you. :P
NotCoach on June 9, 2008 at 1:55 PM
I agree. I think Obama is doing as well as he can right now. I think he would lose a good percentage of his supporters if they just knew his history and who he really was. (They still don’t.) He would lose even more if we could get them to think about what he really stands for and is saying instead of “following their hearts,” which I have seen on many a liberal website.
We have 5 months to educate people and shake them from their slumber.
kc8ukw on June 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM
This pessimism schtick is getting old.
Obama is a Northern liberal. The Democrats have had no success electing Northern liberals to the White House in more than thirty years. There is no reason to think this pattern is going to change, especially given that Obama is farther left than any Democratic nominee in history, is an inexperienced, gaffe-prone campaigner, and has close personal and business ties with radical and corrupt Chicago figures.
sauropod on June 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Because the youth vote hasn’t turned up in November doesn’t mean it won’t. Sorta like saying the White Sox might as well stay in the dugout.
1968 was about hope and change too. The youth vote kept Bobby Kennedy in the race. The BlueDogs couldn’t keep Bobby from slapping Humphrey up side of the head. After his murder they had no reason to turn up at the polls. Had he lived he would have beaten Nixon.
Limerick on June 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM
I think Barack Obama will be elected POTUS, but I don’t think he’ll crush McCain. If McCain hangs onto the 30-some states won by Bush, he’ll be the next President. Obama will probably pull enough of the purple states away from him to win. But the General hasn’t even heated up, and McCain always makes a good, eloquent case about his views. I think people are impressed with his character, his strength and his intelligence. I think many people are impressed with and attracted to Barack Obama’s message. Even I am, although I consider myself conservative, especially on the economy and business issues. However Barack has a lot to live up to and we’ll see if he really ushers in an era of “new” politics that’s more effective than the brawling like the Clintons perfected. But McCain is a great candidate, who probably could have won handily had he not been preceeded by George Bush. Not to beat up on Bush (cause it’s sooo trendy right now) but if a Democrat gets elected, we really only have George to thank.
mattyj86 on June 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM
That’s a pretty bold statement. I am far from convinced that is true because of the 1972 election.
NotCoach on June 9, 2008 at 1:59 PM
The charisma factor, plus McCain will lose major style points in the debates, townhall type or otherwise. His debate style is predictable, and his talking points can be easily countered if Obama is ready, which he will be, because his handlers know this will be crucial. Add in a complicit media and massive numbers of new donk registered voters,..it will not be a pretty sight. I also think that taking refuge in thinking all the new donk voters were crossover pubbies for primaries is whistling past the graveyard.
a capella on June 9, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Why isn’t he crushing him now?
drjohn on June 9, 2008 at 2:01 PM
George Will needs to go back to bed.
Barack Obama is probably the only Democrat who COULD lose this election to John McCain. Dems thought they would have an easy time with either Rudy or Mitt. Obama has no idea how to run a campaign against McCain.
rockmom on June 9, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Ben Affleck will report on election night that America needs a Mac Daddy figure.
GoodBoy on June 9, 2008 at 2:04 PM
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE YOUTH VOTE
January:
That Becky at the Obama 2008 booth is a real hottie. Think I’ll ask her to register me to vote. We might get lucky after the caucus.
November:
That Becky is such a whining, yawning chasm of need. I’m afraid of running into her again if I go vote. Besides, Professor Kuntakinte Mubutu (Aloysius Smith) says The Man will just steal my vote anyway.
Sekhmet on June 9, 2008 at 2:05 PM
“Crush” is such a strong word. How about annihilate, drub, overpower, smash, steamroller, thrash, trounce, or vanquish?
Valiant on June 9, 2008 at 2:05 PM
I don’t know. There are a whole bunch of Florida Dems who plan on voting for McAmnesty.
Beagle on June 9, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Barack Obama had two good ideas:
1. Oppose the war in Iraq
2. Pile up delegates in the blue state caucuses
That’s all he needed to beat Hillary and win the Democratic nomination. However, he lost the vast majority of primaries and kept losing even after the math showed Hillary could not win. This shows that his two ides were enough, but just barely.
He has NO ideas to win a general election, especially one in which Americans are nervous and not inclined to turn things over to an unknown novice. To beat McCain, he has to have an actual reason why independent voters should vote for him and not the safer and better known McCain. He doesn’t.
rockmom on June 9, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Will and Buchanan are drinking the koo-aid of “let’s lose everything now, because we can gain it all back again later when they fail”. Stupid. How did that work out for the Weimar Republic?
Think_b4_speaking on June 9, 2008 at 2:07 PM
I sincerely hope you are right. There is no legitimate reason to vote for him, but people will have been trained to blame every little thing wrong with their lives (likely self-induced) on any conservative they can name, and they will vote for Obama in hopes that even the little things will start turning better for them.
Then again, voter turnout will again be the issue for Obama. The young won’t step away from the xbox to vote, and many other Obama-supporting demographics will be too hungover to stagger into the voting booth.
Grafted on June 9, 2008 at 2:07 PM
I’m with sauropod!!! Eventually Obama is going to have to debate unaided by teleprompters and his ignorance will be as plain as the ears on his head.
Bfunky292 on June 9, 2008 at 2:07 PM
I don’t know. I know quite a few Florida Dems who’ve been consistent saying they’d vote for McAmnesty if Obama won, despite the corona around, and Maltese cross emanating from, his head.
Beagle on June 9, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Oops. I thought my post was eaten. I like version two better.
Beagle on June 9, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Yes, but Obama is “black” (Arab actually, but nevermind about that. vote against him and you are a racist) and not a Republican (who completely screwed the pooch when they were in control).
As for past ties to terrorists, race pimps, demagogues, crooks, etc….that is all behind him now. He threw them under the bus with the white grandmother. He will just change his tune for the immediate situation and the MSM will pontificate about Hussein’s “growing maturity”.
Obama can be beaten, of course. But it will require lots of money, lots of work, and a willingness to get as dirty as the Dem’s. I don’t know if the Republicans have it in them to do that–which is Will’s point really.
iconoclast on June 9, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Anyone familiar with Chicago elections will tell you that the most important “swing” voters are either the dead, or the homeless.
The latter easily state whichever bridge they live under to establish residency in that particular precinct without challenge.
That’s how so many machine aldermen retain their seats on Chicago’s City Council in close elections.
Don’t be alarmed when you see vans of unfortunate souls being carted around to the polls to vote early (and probably often) for Barack.
yo on June 9, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Black
racistHitler!!1freevillage on June 9, 2008 at 2:10 PM
How ready can Obama really be in an actual unscripted debate?
The more he talks w/o script or prompter, the more ridiculous he sounds.
Plus, the Beast only “suspended” her campaign, she still is in play, bank on it.
bbz123 on June 9, 2008 at 2:11 PM
OK, how did it work out for France in the 70’s, or many other Euro countries? We can find many examples…
Think_b4_speaking on June 9, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Obama will win, because America is now a Socialist state. The re-education of America’s youth [which has occurred because they are without parental guidance and, therefore, are blank slates in our public education system], over the last 4 decades, has now created a majority who seek to serve and be served by [they go hand-in-hand] the State.
The Statists have won – and the America which valued individualism, hard work, incentive and the desire and ability to get ahead – is lost.
I am sickened.
OhEssYouCowboys on June 9, 2008 at 2:12 PM
George Will is very much still stuck in the 1980’s.
Hilts on June 9, 2008 at 2:12 PM
It is important for Obama to bring sane relationships up that he has had during his life. So far the radicals that have surfaced have been the only ones. Who could turn the economy and national security to anyone who could possibly hate this country to this degree>
volsense on June 9, 2008 at 2:15 PM
but, but, but… he’s a lightworker
trubble on June 9, 2008 at 2:15 PM
I think Obama is doing as well as he can right now. I think he would lose a good percentage of his supporters if they just knew his history and who he really was. (They still don’t.) He would lose even more if we could get them to think about what he really stands for and is saying instead of “following their hearts,” which I have seen on many a liberal website.
We have 5 months to educate people and shake them from their slumber.
kc8ukw on June 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Roughly 50% of the Dem base is what needs to be persuaded. And when push comes to shove, does anyone here honestly believe a majority of Hilldog supporters won’t pull the lever for Obama when it comes right down to it?
Both candidates are trying to court the independent/moderate vote. McCain is going to have a hard time due to BDS and war fatigue if for no other reason.
And let’s be honest, moderates won’t make upo their damn minds until they get into the voting booth on election day anyway – they are frickin moderates!
NOTE: I never understood this notion of wanting to appeal to people who by their very nature are flighty and uncommitted? A lot of people IDENTIFY themselves as moderates/independents, but when it comes down to it they are more principled than they think. This is why solidifying the base is so important.
NOTE 2: And we are not going to change any minds on the left. That’s why they are the left. They will support their messiah, regardless of fact, regardless of mistake, or Obambi wouldn’t have been as successful as he’s benn so far. Stop wasting time trying to appeal to an unreasoned liberal for G-ds sake!
Obama is NOT having to work as hard solidifying his base as McCain, and the base is what wins a candidate an election since it’s the base which can be relied on to show up and vote. And in this Obambi beats McCain hands down so far.
McCain is not going to win counting on moderates/independents. And it’s going to take a lot more for the Republican base to support him wholeheartedly than he is doing now.
This ins’t pessimism. It’s reality.
catmman on June 9, 2008 at 2:15 PM
How is Obama going to win this election without the support of the “bitter gun-and-Bible clingers”?
newton on June 9, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Will getting that additional 3 percentage points of the black vote that the average white Dem would not get really turn it into a rout? After all, blacks do vote for the Dem by a 9-1 margin already.
A couple of others already beat me to my point regarding the youth vote (or lack thereof).
No, what would make it a Obama rout is if he and the LeftStreamMedia are able to get more than 40% of the “middle”, while McCain and the RNC continued to throw away the (former) conservative GOP base.
steveegg on June 9, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Spot on, Mr. Will. Spot on.
MadisonConservative on June 9, 2008 at 2:17 PM
ehhh… I’m not much for surrender, I’ll go down fighting.
Chakra Hammer on June 9, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Surrender?
Surrender in Iraq?
Surrender to the MOST Liberal Senator as President that will be a Rubber stamp for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid’s liberal/socialist garbage?
Chakra Hammer on June 9, 2008 at 2:21 PM
The audacity….of bullsh*t
rightallthetime on June 9, 2008 at 2:22 PM
As you point out this is a nonstarter. The black population is only 12.8% of the total and even if Obama gets a 5% shift in his favor from black voters that still translates into a less than 1% move overall. Just like every election this will be a fight for the middle and I suspect there won’t be many legs tingling in the middle.
NotCoach on June 9, 2008 at 2:23 PM
I’m not surrendering a damn thing. I’m voting for who I think was the best candidate for President. Either way, it won’t make a difference. Hillary may yet wean her congregation to the Obamessiah, and plenty of Repubs are disillusioned with McCain, particularly young conservatives.
Prepare for the New Right.
MadisonConservative on June 9, 2008 at 2:25 PM
Here’s some more data on the abortion debate.
My sense of abortion politics is that most voters do not rate it too highly on their list of issues, and I claim the May 8-11 2008 Gallup poll in the above link as recent evidence for that view. In addition, a majority of voters think that abortion should be legal in at least some cases. Overall, I think that to win a national election, a politician must be either moderate on abortion, or must successfully de-emphasize a more extreme position to the extent that it is not viewed as a policy priority. Nobody runs and wins on abortion, at least for national office; instead, they use more universal issues like “judicial activism” as proxies for the more divisive ones.
So far, McCain (and Obama, too) has managed to keep the talk of abortion to a minimum. This infuriates the vocal minority of Republicans who refuse to vote for anyone they deem an insufficiently activist pro-lifer, but it is comforting to the rest of the electorate. McCin can win over pro-choice voters as long as he doesn’t offend them or pick an uncompromisingly pro-life running-mate (e.g. Palin or Jindal).
Big S on June 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM
I have talked with plenty of young Obama supporters whose political persuasion is much more libertarian than liberal. They like Obama because he seems different than many candidates, he speaks well, and he isn’t a Republican, something they have been taught is a bad thing, whether they believe it consciously or not. Obama’s beliefs are really greatly counter to their own, something they just need to be made to see.
kc8ukw on June 9, 2008 at 2:28 PM
This is an election of contrasts not the least of which is a young charismatic politician going up against a cranky old bastard. Obama will need to find a seasoned politician to dampen comments about his inexperience. McCain is going have to find somebody much younger with a personality to offset McCain’s own personality which many find off-putting.
The key point, however, is that Obama and McCain hold virtually the same views on a variety of issues. Liberal Republicans will lose to liberal Democrats every time. To win McCain is going have to rally the conservative base he’s constantly telling to f**k off. He is also going have to figure out a way to differentiate himself from Obama without appearing to flip-flop (very hard task). I think George Will is more accurate than not when assessing the opening status of the election and it isn’t looking good for the cranky old bastard. I guess being a political Judas for the last eight years didn’t result in Democrats liking him any more than real Republicans do.
That being said, it is June 9th. There is a summerful of Obama gaffes, charges of racism, and other factors that could easily change the dynamics as to how voters are trending.
highhopes on June 9, 2008 at 2:28 PM
McCain isn’t going to rally disaffected so-called conservative Democrat voters because those people will say “Hillary who?” after The Messiah blesses us with some soaring rhetoric around July 4 and they will dutifully fall in line behind Obama before November.
Carter won by a little over 50 electoral votes in 1976 coming off two terms of Republicans presiding over an unpopular foreign war and mounting economic troubles. I expect a similar winning margin for The Messiah in November.
Face it, kids. The Obamanation is all but here.
ScottMcC on June 9, 2008 at 2:28 PM
I’m a pro-choice woman. I’ve always considered myself a moderate Republican. While I still feel strongly about the issue it’s not the most important priority to me. Compared to national defense, economic common sense, controlling the borders to prevent illegal immigration, and naming conservative jurists that don’t invent things like the Kelo eminent domain ruling, etc. retaining legal abortion is pretty far down the list. Considering how appalled I am that the Democratic party has nominated a total rookie with far left views, voting for John McCain is going to be a very easy thing to do.
Jill1066 on June 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM
George Will is suffering from over exposure to Snuffy, Cokie and Sam Donaldson. There must be something in the ABC studios that can turn a one-time true conservative into a look-at-me jellyfish who panders to the left. I used to like Will and respect his opinions, long ago. No Mas.
Let’s be honest with ourselves. Obama’s win or loss this fall depends on whether the dumbing down of America has finally reached critical mass.
It’s been bubbling for several decades.
fogw on June 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM
kc8ukw on June 9, 2008 at 2:28 PM
That they are Obama supporters already and voting for the guy in the primaries doesn’t do much to support your assertion.
I agree there are someout there who could be persuaded to see the light, er, lightworker, whatever, but not enough to warrant the effort to me. But that’s me.
ScottMcC on June 9, 2008 at 2:28 PM
Amen.
catmman on June 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM
I keep hoping to see some “normal” people as friends of obama. However, the more I think about it, the more I think there are no normal people who would hang around with him and his erstwhile friends. Would you? First time I heard wright and the rest, I would know what obama’s character was and take off.
Bambi on June 9, 2008 at 2:36 PM
A battle plan that depends on the enemy screwing up is madness.
“Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more.” -George S. Patton
Limerick on June 9, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Lemmings are getting more and more indignant.
This year, no one, but no one, not a single pollster will get it right, until the very end.
Entelechy on June 9, 2008 at 2:41 PM
Jay Severin, talk show host out of Boston, has said the only thing that’s going to stop Obama is if he is caught in bed with a dead body or an underage boy.
ToddonCapeCod on June 9, 2008 at 2:45 PM
I often think the same. But remember, the average Joe relies on the media, Hollywood, the church, and other institutions to help form opinions–always have, always will. The institutions are now compromised and part of the liberal power structure.
The media and liberal intelligentsia aren’t dumb. Those following the Saul Alisnky model aren’t dumb. The “people” want to be led, but will follow the strong horse. We have to have a stronger horse, or we are lost.
Is our mistake in thinking that people who don’t want to be reasoned with should be reasoned with?
JiangxiDad on June 9, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Actually, I think that’s a resume enhancer in the DNC. That said, I think Obama’s going to smoke McCain like a cheap pack of cigs this November.
Snake307 on June 9, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Repeal the 26th Amendment! Almost everyone under age 21 is too frivolous and ignorant to vote, and it certainly wouldn’t hurt the few prodigies under 21 to wait a few years to vote.
thuja on June 9, 2008 at 2:54 PM
How ’bout voting limited to those with children who are net payers of federal tax?
JiangxiDad on June 9, 2008 at 2:56 PM
George Will is hard to digest
About as indigestible as Buchanan.
Will didn’t think Bush had the grey matter necessary to make important judicial appointments. That could be true (although I would not want Will making those appointments), but Bush has had the ability to serve two terms, keep the war going, while holding the borders open against all laws on the books.
Bush ain’t that stupid and by his standards he is successful. His party controlled the primaries and his party managed to manipulate the McCain victory which is Bush’s best hope to continue his open borders, campaign finance reform legacy. McCain doesn’t have to like Bush, he just has to be like Bush.
Now Will starts doing the Buchanan dance before the convention. Will loves to build up baseball and build down the common American
Those who love to lose, will.
entagor on June 9, 2008 at 2:58 PM
the paleocons are hoping for a landslide for obama, so they can claim its the ‘neocons’ that are at fault, and appeal to paleoconservatism for the future. an idiotic idea and I’m convinced that many so called ‘neocons’ aren’t going to go for isolationism in the world we live, ever.
jp on June 9, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Oh, and two votes for military service.
JiangxiDad on June 9, 2008 at 3:02 PM
I suppose you are being sarcastic about my windmill tilting. My point is a point about how we acquire wisdom–a point that the Founding Fathers agreed with since they put various age restrictions in the Constitution. In case you aren’t being sarcastic, we already giving far too many benefits to breeders with large families. I’m sick of being nice about large families when they are the biggest environmental problem we face.
thuja on June 9, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Better I guess, since last week you were calling me a troll and all but claiming that I was a plant from one of the Liberal Blogs. Now because I’m anti-McCain I’m a Paleocon. Whatever. Put whatever label you want on me. I’m for less Government, and more efficient Government. I’m for lower taxes, and I’m for more individual freedom and liberty. Now that makes me a Paleocon.
I wonder what I’ll be next week? Anyone want to start a betting pool? The question, what will the McCainiacs call conservatives who detest John McCain next week?
Snake307 on June 9, 2008 at 3:05 PM
I stopped taking George Will seriously when he endorsed Bob Dole in 1996 on the grounds that Friends was vulgar television.
mymanpotsandpans on June 9, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Because I can’t fathom why anyone would support Obama, I must take myself out of the guessing game, and honestly look at what is really happening.
Obama may very well stomp, but I still can’t believe he was even considered for the Dem nomination, let alone win it.
It is beyond my understanding.
George Will is brilliant, I guess he could be correct…but my mind says it can’t happen, but then don’t rely on any logic. This will be the most emotional contest in the history of the United States.
right2bright on June 9, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Wasn’t being sarcastic. As for the “breeders,” I agree, who the hell needs them. Lets get poor uneducated Mexicans to mow the lawns and babysit. For the right amount of money, you can probably get one to sit on your lap and say goo-goo–in Spanish of course.
Silly homosexual. Without American breeders, where would the replacement gay people come from?
JiangxiDad on June 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Sounds Rovian to me … start planting the seeds of terror now about an Obama presidency.
darwin on June 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Sports Machine.
Big S on June 9, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Americans who say Spot on should be spotted on slabs
mymanpotsandpans on June 9, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Which will be banned under the Obama Socialist State.
Squid Shark on June 9, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Trust me, there will be no “unscripted” debate. Obama’s campaign responded to McCain’s town hall meeting proposal with a proposal of their own: Lincoln-Douglas style debates, with an hour (teleprompted) speech by each candidate, followed by a rebuttal by one. McCain is so inept at prepared speeches that he will be buried in such a debate format. The compromise will most likely be the same-old style Obama-friendly media-moderated debates — at which McCain also does poorly.
Obama is a media creation, and he plays them like a fiddle. McCain is sorely out-matched.
Nichevo on June 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Well, “assuming” that he hasn’t put some disclaimer in there somewhere, George Will isn’t as smart as I thought. While that is certainly a distinct possibility and one that I might even make a small wager on, it is by no means certain. McCain, if say for one example Michelle Obama can’t keep her big trap shut, could crush Obama. Or things could kind of even out and be pretty close to a tie.
Actually I think the best way to look at this election is as a referendum on Obama. By and large people are either going to vote for Obama or against Obama. Few will actually vote for McCain.
MB4 on June 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Obama can win because he has such a weak opponent. The GOP contunies to serve up guys who are “entitled” to their moment of glory and they continue to get their ass kicked. I mean if that’s the GOP can deliver, then they derserve the ass kicking. We had too many conservative candidates during the primary. That’s the biggest reason McAmnesty slipped in on an almost default basis.
Maybe next time we’ll get someone like Bobby Jindal. Someone who’s fresh and actually conservative. Until, then I honestly don’t care who’s elected president in ‘08. It doesn’t make any difference.
orlandocajun on June 9, 2008 at 3:14 PM
This is a very good question.
JustTruth101 on June 9, 2008 at 3:15 PM
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE YOUTH VOTE
January:
That Becky at the Obama 2008 booth is a real hottie. Think I’ll ask her to register me to vote. We might get lucky after the caucus.
November:
That Becky is such a whining, yawning chasm of need. I’m afraid of running into her again if I go vote. Besides, Professor Kuntakinte Mubutu (Aloysius Smith) says The Man will just steal my vote anyway.
Sekhmet on June 9, 2008 at 2:05 PM
HAHHHHHAAAAAAA>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAH…. GREAT POST!!!
max1 on June 9, 2008 at 3:15 PM
I’d like to believe that there are other forces at play as people decide on their candidate, but the hollow-minded people that are being led by Obama would just as soon follow a unicorn if the MSM told them unicorns rule.
We had a few strong horses in the race but they were euthanized by the MSM before they left the paddock.
They gave us the lame horse. Two, actually.
fogw on June 9, 2008 at 3:15 PM
George Will and Pat Buchanan are just about wetting themselves with glee over the prospect of a McCain loss.
Pathetic. The only way McCain loses is if sane citizens sit home and wail and gnash their teeth over the inevitability of an Obama victory. Sorry, I don’t think enough Americans are weak enough to do that.
funky chicken on June 9, 2008 at 3:15 PM
Will’s a very bright guy, but here’s proof that bright guys can get it wrong.
The question unanswered here is if Obama can ride the wave of freshly minted youthful and black voters into the White House why couldn’t he ride it to the nomination of his own party?
The guys wheezed and clanked and crawled across the finish line in the party where those two groups should have overwhelmingly carried him to victory.
It’s not happening. Who else saw the tiny little beta male on his bicycle on the front page of Drudge? This guy’s a wimp; he can’t close the sale, and he’s not going to be President.
Typhoon on June 9, 2008 at 3:17 PM
And if I had wings I could fly. Or as my mom used to say, if – the biggest little word in the English language.
MB4 on June 9, 2008 at 3:17 PM
It’s precisely your attitude that will lead a lightweight media creation like Obama to win. The pro-McCain camp has been clear that they have no use for the “paleocon” meaning conservative voters who don’t get into bed with Teddy Kennedy and Russ Feingold, don’t hold a grudge against evangelical conservatives for a failed 2000 campaign, or otherwise hold traditional conservative/Republican values instead of the warmed over socialism of McCainistic Liberalism.
You McCain Moonbats are going to find you NEED conservatives to have any chance to win in November but, in true McCain Moonbat fashion you will discover this far too late to mend all the fences you are destroying these days. Lotsa luck in getting those Hillary voters.
highhopes on June 9, 2008 at 3:19 PM
I agree. McCain has no chance against Obama; no chance to the point that this coming election is likely to be a landslide. It’s just a gut feeling but, if forced to, I’d bet we’re in for 8 years of Obama, and thus a Supreme Court that will gut America for the next two generations.
AntonK on June 9, 2008 at 3:19 PM
yes, yes and yes. But my main point is you can’t change the people, so focus on changing the leadership. There is NO HOPE of changing the character of the citizenry, other than through seizing (reclaiming) the institutions of power.
I’m afraid Saul Alisnky is right. And now we have to begin to do it in reverse.
ATTN: RUSH LIMBAUGH. WANT TO LEAVE AN ENDURING LEGACY FOR CENTURIES AFTER YOU’RE GONE??
ENDOW A NEW, MAJOR UNIVERSITY, TO COMPETE WITH HARVARD AND THE OTHER IVY LEAGUE SCHOOLS. A NEW CONSERVATIVE INSTITUTION OF HIGHER LEARNING. THE E.I.B. INSTITUTE COME TO LIFE, SO TO SPEAK. I’LL CONTRIBUTE AS WELL. GOOD LUCK RUSH.
JiangxiDad on June 9, 2008 at 3:20 PM
yep, pretty much. That’s the kind of common sense American thinking that will keep the majority of folks from voting for Obama.
funky chicken on June 9, 2008 at 3:21 PM
True, and we lose that way. The RNC ads talk about how terrible Obama is, and I agree. But they don’t run very many ads supporting McCain. I am a Republican and am having a hard time finding reasons to vote for him.
bigbeas on June 9, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Because he’s been busy crushing Hillary. Now you will begin to see a machine from the south side of Chicago work that will make the Clinton machine seem like a toy. The post from the other day paints but a small picture of what this guy is capable of. It’s going to be a long, painful year, and one way or another, Obama will reveal himself as a true dictator.
MadisonConservative on June 9, 2008 at 3:24 PM
I’ll second that.
It will be a long struggle, but one worth fighting for.
fogw on June 9, 2008 at 3:25 PM
you typed the reason to vote for mccain, I bolded it for you.
jp on June 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Indeed. This time no polls will be able to predict the outcome, until one night early in Nov.
fogw and JiangxiDad, the people select/elect the leaders. We’re scrooomed.
Entelechy on June 9, 2008 at 3:27 PM
America may be center-right or even center-left, but far-left it isn’t. BHO’s diehard supporters are blacks, the left-wing fringe and the media. Hillary was beaten when she lost all three, and even then it was a close thing. Simple math shows that blacks and the fringe can’t elect anyone, so how much can the media alter the election? If they were to play it straight down the middle, BHO wins Massachusetts and the District Columbia. But they will tilt heavily towards BHO, so how many votes can they deliver? That’s the only question in this election cycle.
jl on June 9, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Wes hould reinstate some kind of test or criteria for voting. I get really angry when I hear about the “youth” vote. I have a 15 yr old son who would vote for Obama if he could but when I ask him why he hasn’t a clue and I would suspect that the same could be said about a large percentage pf “youth” right up to their early 20’s.
These kids grew up in an era where “feeling” has replaced reason and they are seeking a presidential candidate that makes them feel good about themselves rather than one who will make the necessary hard choices required for good governance.
I saw a bumper sticker last week that said simply “Liberals Care”. Well that pretty much sums up the War on Poverty, the Great Society, universal health care, and all the other wasted trillions of dollars poured down the drain.
The statement “if you’re not a Liberal while young you have no heart and if you’re not a Conservatice when an adult you have no brains” is true and unfortunately too many brainless ‘feelers’ are out voting.
They have little to no stake in the economy and are more than happy to vote to increase taxes on others. So, voting should be restricted to taxpayers and denied to anyone who either doesn’t pay taxes or who are on the government dole.
DerKrieger on June 9, 2008 at 3:28 PM
I wish George and Pat would make up their damn minds.
For all of Buchanan’s talk of the messy Repubs versus the messianic Rats, he’s also said that, all things considered,
Obama has Serious problems, in that he should be 20 (plus) points up on McCain in the polls at this point in the season, but he Isn’t. Not. Even. Close.
And this Arizonan is only gonna vote for him cus’, WTH is the alternative?!
I’m not the Mac-man’s biggest fan.
I’d like to see him appoint Sheriff as Joe Director of ICE, but he won’t.
He’s better than the Rats on the WOT, spending and taxes though.
So give him his four years, then, See Ya’!
Teddy on June 9, 2008 at 3:29 PM
What we’re seeing is the end result of 50 years of planning on the left’s part to take over the institutions. We get an extreme radical on one side, and something a little better on the other that we’re stuck with. I think we should stop focusing on this particular battle and think of the bigger picture. It starts with the media and schools. Go back to square one so to speak.
Sometime in the future, the people will choose something else, because the society they were raised in led them to that choice.
Right now, as you say, we are scrooomed, but temporarily, I hope.
JiangxiDad on June 9, 2008 at 3:30 PM
We can dream – it will never happen. I’d allow for those who temporarily, for valid reasons, could not pay taxes. But how to identify and measure…forget about it. It’s a Utopic idea.
I’m not as optimistic as are you, my friend. I’d add “irreversible”.
Entelechy on June 9, 2008 at 3:37 PM
Will also said, along with Delay and Limbaugh, that Hillary would be the next prez…Guess not.
bard on June 9, 2008 at 3:37 PM
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