Rasmussen: No one trusts the media’s election coverage anymore

posted at 3:42 pm on June 8, 2008 by Allahpundit

Do note: The question wasn’t whether the end product is biased (say, unconsciously), it was whether the media’s even trying to be objective. Answering no: 68% overall, including 56% of Democrats and 50% of liberals. Our nutroots betters assure us that the press is thoroughly right-wing, so it must be McCain whom people believe is getting a free ride, yes? Not so much:

Voters have little doubt as to who is benefitting from the media coverage this year—Barack Obama. Fifty-four percent (54%) say Obama has gotten the best coverage so far. Twenty-two percent (22%) say McCain has received the most favorable coverage while 14% say that Hillary got the best treatment…

Looking ahead to the fall campaign, 44% believe most reporters will try to help Obama while only 13% believe that most will try to help McCain. Twenty-four percent (24%) are optimistic enough to believe that most reporters will try to offer unbiased coverage.

Even Democrats tend to believe their candidate will receive better treatment—27% of those in Obama’s party believe most reporters will try to help him win while only 16% believe they will help McCain. A plurality of Democrats—34%–believe most reporters will be unbiased.

Among unaffiliated voters, 44% believe reporters will try to help Obama and 14% believe they will try to help McCain.

Doubtless most of the lefties claiming the media’s in the tank for Obama are Hillary diehards (43% overall say she’s gotten the rawest deal among the three, compared to 27% saying McCain and 15% saying Obama). Exit question: It’s too much to expect most of her supporters to either stay home or vote McCain in the fall, but is it too much to expect them to be more sensitive to the media’s Obama shilling going forward? Not that they’re going to pound the table about it on McCain’s behalf, but I keep thinking back to Jeralyn Merritt of TalkLeft calling Olbermann “the most shameless ridiculous hack on TV.” Quite so, and once that lesson’s been learned, it can’t really be unlearned. Or can it?

Update: My mistake. It was Big Tent Democrat, not Jeralyn, who so aptly dubbed Olby the shameless hack.


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Obviously it’s because of a secret cabal of conservative bloggers that are employed by The White House to secretly discredit the MSM. Story at 11.

NotCoach on June 8, 2008 at 3:48 PM

No one trusts the media’s election coverage anymore

Heh! Ain’t dat duh truth! How long did it take fo dees geniuses to figger that out.

Just watch pMSNBC and see the goo that is bias

Kini on June 8, 2008 at 3:48 PM

You’re forgetting the power of doublethink that the Left has; and has doubleplusgood, at that.
Oceana has always been at war with EastAsia.

TABoLK on June 8, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Interesting, but I’d like to see a breakdown of what voters watch. If you watch Fox or MSNCB, you’ll probably have a different take on which way the media leans.

VolMagic on June 8, 2008 at 3:49 PM

If the mistrust of the MSM is this deep and on all sides, that clearly means the debates – the live performances of the candidates – will be that much more important.

Even more than historically they’ve been (however one quantifies that).

I guess we knew all that; but this drives it home.

SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 3:52 PM

it can’t really be unlearned. Or can it?

It can. It will.

Saltysam on June 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Objective has long been gone from the realm of the media.

What are their values exactly? We know what their mission is.

The fools r us, in the ‘brilliant’ Rosie style.

Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Hold the Press’s!!!

This is NEWS!!!!

NOT….

Gee, ya think the MSM will cover this?

Romeo13 on June 8, 2008 at 3:57 PM

SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 3:52 PM

I’d disagree. The debates will be watched by those who already know how they are gonna vote. The rest of America will view the debates in soundbites on the following day, complete with hacky spin and ignorant analysis from the diverse talking heads. Sad, really.

VolMagic on June 8, 2008 at 3:58 PM

Ent,

When was the media objective? When Walter declared defeat in Vietnam?

VolMagic on June 8, 2008 at 3:58 PM

When Olby is treated as a respectable journalist by a major news outlet, is there any doubt as to why that news outlet isn’t trusted?

jgapinoy on June 8, 2008 at 4:00 PM

I’d disagree

Yes, for those who’ve settled on their candidates the debates will be meaningless (or will re-enforce their existing views).

But the election will be decided by that ~10% or so of the electorate that right now doesn’t know anything about the candidates. Or very little.

If they are increasingly distrustful of the press – the day after analysis is disregarded or viewed sceptically – that means the live, unfiltered presentations will have that much more importance.

SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Just watch pMSNBC and see the goo that is bias

Kini on June 8, 2008 at 3:48 PM

Did anyone see the biography on B. Hussein Obama that was aired during this past week on MSNBC? That was really slick. They’ve been practicing a long time for this.

DfDeportation on June 8, 2008 at 4:06 PM

once that lesson’s been learned, it can’t really be unlearned. Or can it?

Proverbs 26:11
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
Liberals are old dogs. Hard to go the new trick route for them it is.
It usually takes a life changing event to clear their minds and see things differently. For my liberal buddy it was government red tape that is sinking his profit margin and a daily dose of Glenn Beck.

Beto Ochoa on June 8, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Obama is getting the “don’t embarrass the boy” coverage from the MSM.

Which is racist to the core, since it assumes Barry cannot handle real scrutinty or serious criticism, because he’s from dat po’ underprivileged bunch o’ folk who need to be given a hand up after centuries of evil whitey oppression.

Obama will skate toward the finish line with all in the general media performing miracles as his personal Gaffe cloaking device.

profitsbeard on June 8, 2008 at 4:08 PM

I’m not a big Rush fan, but he was right when he said that “the media is desirous of seeing a Black quarterback do well”. BO is the Democrat party’s QB.

jgapinoy on June 8, 2008 at 4:11 PM

A slight glimmer of hope creeps into my outlook on the average American who is not a voracious reader of blogs like so many of the folks who post here. Americans do realize they are being poorly served by the media, but what are they doing to correct the situation? The bigger point is so many politicians put their trust in these media whiz kids, as evidenced by what issues come up on the national stage always seem to be the very same issue brought up in the headlines of newspapers, rather then the issues raised by the average person on the street. The media can continue to ignore all the readers and their target audience as long as the politicians give all of their concerns attention.
Most Americans believe man made global warming is a scam but since the media reports it as “fact” the politicians feel it necessary to assuage those in the media rather then responding to their constituents. Energy policy? Same thing. Lets attack oil execs, force auto makers to build nonsensical vehicles and threaten to punish any who don’t play by their rules, instead of doing the common sense things like drilling our own resources, providing incentives instead of punishments for companies to pursue alternative sources and stop passing mandatory laws like those for the CFL bulbs which do nothing.
So anyway my point is the folks in the media could give a crap less what their readers or viewers, other then those within the Beltway, care about their reporting, they have an agenda to pass and so far they have a better track record then either of the major political parties.

Just A Grunt on June 8, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Wil the MSM’s reaction to this – that 68% of the public sees them as biased – be one of self-examination? And a renewed attention to objectivity?

Or will it be one of throwing whatever little standards they have left out the window and becoming open advocates?

Yeah, who am I kidding?

They’ll ignore the poll or claim the public is a bunch of idiots and continue to offer us their jaundiced products.

The largest echo chamber in the world – you can hear a “Bush is a fascist” whisper from the other side of the room – is the modern news room.

SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 4:14 PM

If they are increasingly distrustful of the press – the day after analysis is disregarded or viewed sceptically – that means the live, unfiltered presentations will have that much more importance.

SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Living in Austin, a liberal Mecca, I am of late astounded to hear dyed in the wool lib’s say “Well you can’t believe this or that you read or hear on the air because they’ve been caught lying so many times.” I didn’t think they were paying attention. Amazing how many didn’t want anything Bush or Clinton ever again and very skeptical of Obama.

Beto Ochoa on June 8, 2008 at 4:15 PM

This news sends a tingling feeling up my leg. Or, is it down my leg?

chewydog on June 8, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Interesting, but I’d like to see a breakdown of what voters watch. If you watch Fox or MSNCB, you’ll probably have a different take on which way the media leans.

That’s right. Everyone has their own version of trustworthy media.

Keep in mind that the MSM was much kinder to Bush than Gore (based on every Pew study published), so the argument that Obama will have a free ride until election day isn’t very convincing.

bayam on June 8, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Heck, as far as I’m concerned you can’t trust the media on anything except maybe yesterday’s sports scores.

You can’t even trust them to report yesterday’s weather accurately, since they are almost all pushing the ‘global warming’ meme.

LegendHasIt on June 8, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Shocking. Absolutely shocking.

Hog Wild on June 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM

When was the media objective? When Walter declared defeat in Vietnam?

VolMagic on June 8, 2008 at 3:58 PM

Maybe never totally, but weren’t they a bit better in WWII?

Obama will skate toward the finish line with all in the general media performing miracles as his personal Gaffe cloaking device.

profitsbeard on June 8, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Are your “political nostrils” telling you that he will make it over the line, though?

Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM

But the election will be decided by that ~10% or so of the electorate that right now doesn’t know anything about the candidates. Or very little.

If they are increasingly distrustful of the press – the day after analysis is disregarded or viewed sceptically – that means the live, unfiltered presentations will have that much more importance.

SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 4:04 PM

I don’t agree. If this were the 2000 or 2004 elections then yes, but there are a lot of variables. Will social cons bite the bullet and vote for McCain, I won’t, and will Hillary supporters vote Obama? I think the undecided, and by that I mean the usual undecided, will be less powerful than in the previously mentioned elections. The social cons and the Hillary supporters are going to be the wild cards this time.

Hillary supporter protect votes will be McCain, and social con protest votes will be Barr, which makes the hillbillies the truly powerful wild cards in the bunch. I have no clue who will come out on top this time, but it will be interesting in a passive sort of way, since I strongly, dislike all of them.

DFCtomm on June 8, 2008 at 4:35 PM

If this were the 2000 or 2004 elections then yes, but there are a lot of variables. Will social cons bite the bullet and vote for McCain, I won’t, and will Hillary supporters vote Obama? I think the undecided, and by that I mean the usual undecided, will be less powerful than in the previously mentioned elections. The social cons and the Hillary supporters are going to be the wild cards this time.

Good post. You shot me down pretty easily.

There are a lot more questions about the electorate this time than in previous years. The old 40/40 left/right split with the 10% undecided no longer applies. Within those 40/40 groups are a lot of disgruntled voters who may just stay home or vote for the other side (or a third party).

Although I don’t see many social cons voting for Barr the libertarian. Perhaps the Paul voters – however small or large they are will.

SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Maybe never totally, but weren’t they a bit better in WWII?

Heh, yeah, when FDR was pulling the strings.

The “news” then was pretty much propaganda.

Remeber, it not only how the news is reported, but what news is reported. Objectivity in media is pretty much a myth. You just have to find which bias most closely resembles the truth and stick with that.

VolMagic on June 8, 2008 at 4:41 PM

DFCtomm on June 8, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Do you mind if I ask: Why as social con wouldn’t you vote for McCain? He seems to be aligned with social cons on societal issues. He’s pro-life. I just don’t get it.

terryannonline on June 8, 2008 at 4:42 PM

True, but the definition is far too narrow. It should read simply “No one trusts the media anymore”.

rplat on June 8, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Although I don’t see many social cons voting for Barr the libertarian. Perhaps the Paul voters – however small or large they are will.

SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Yeah I agree with you. Barr was on Colbert talking about legalizing marijuana. I might be wrong but I don’t think social conservatives will flock to guy who wants to do that.

terryannonline on June 8, 2008 at 4:45 PM

terryannonline on June 8, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Mind if I take a stab at that. Too rapid an influx of unassimilated people can’t be considered conservative. That they vote Democrat only compounds the problem

Neither can the transformation of our economy from capitalism to socialism via his climate initiative be considered conservative. Conservatism can’t thrive in a socialist system.

I don’t think McCain wants those things. I don’t think he gets it.

JiangxiDad on June 8, 2008 at 4:48 PM

JiangxiDad on June 8, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Usually when I hear “social conservative” I think of abortion, gay rights, etc. Those were the issues I was thinking about and McCain seems solid on those issues. Granted he’s not the most vocal person on social issues but nonetheless that’s how he votes.

terryannonline on June 8, 2008 at 4:55 PM

How amazing the Hitlary suffered from the “vast right wing conspiracy” only to be truly torpedoed by the vast left wing conspiracy. Schadenfreudelicious.

Mojave Mark on June 8, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Let me repeat my thesis: The debates will have greater influence on this election than ever because:

(1) The public increasingly distrusts the MSM and wants to see the candidates “live” and not filtered when they make their decisions;

(2) Both candidates have major problems with large segments of their party’s constituencies. Those constituencies will be watching the debates with a more “open” mind than in previous years looking to be re-assured that the candidate is on their side.

(3) A third party candidate, if he or she can get on the stage (doubtful) may have as much influence as a Perot did in 1992

(4) I forgot.

Three out of four. Top that.

SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Cable television and Fox News gave them the excuse to drop their pretense of objectivity- they have always had an agenda ( it’s one of the first things taught in a journalism class- Agenda setting).
Now they don’t feel the need to couch it.

jjshaka on June 8, 2008 at 5:03 PM

terryannonline on June 8, 2008 at 4:55 PM

What I meant was you can’t be basically in favor of socially conservative positions on the issues you mentioned, if you are in favor of a massive increase in the number of Democrat voters, and if you are in favor of a massive increase in the power of the state over the economy.

Those are inconsistent. You can’t have one without the other. They’re not precisely the same, but they go hand in hand.

JiangxiDad on June 8, 2008 at 5:03 PM

In the Dallas/FtWorth market FOX News Sunday is preceded by a local FOX show called InSights. A community discussion of the weeks events and local politics. Today was thirty solid minutes of McCain is a moron and Barak is the Lightworker.

The two guest ‘analysists’ we bad enough, but when the moderator asked:

-”What is wrong with the Republican machine? We all know how famous they are for their dirty tricks….”

I almost lost a new HDTV over that one.

Limerick on June 8, 2008 at 5:09 PM

JiangxiDad on June 8, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Well aren’t you assuming this massive influx of “unassimilated people” actually support liberal positions on gay marriage and abortion.

terryannonline on June 8, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Great Scott,Unfreagginbelieveable,the Liberal
media are on to themselves,they must be in
shock!

Veddy,veddy interesting,I zthinks zthere onz
to zthemselves,I zthinks,howz zhall i zay,
zee chickens havez come homez to zee roost! ha ha. :)

canopfor on June 8, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Well aren’t you assuming this massive influx of “unassimilated people” actually support liberal positions on gay marriage and abortion.

terryannonline on June 8, 2008 at 5:13 PM

LOL. NO Terry. That’s the rub. They don’t. But they vote Dem. anyhow. Almost as nutty as Jews!

JiangxiDad on June 8, 2008 at 5:19 PM

I almost lost a new HDTV over that one.

Limerick on June 8, 2008 at 5:09 PM

that’s why I don’t have one! (Now, can you tell me why I don’t have a new car, tks.)

JiangxiDad on June 8, 2008 at 5:20 PM

No trust in the media? Is it any wonder?

I would randomly switch to CNN, and who would be on screen? Obama… constantly. Constantly. Constantly.

I blame the Jew Joe Leiberman (as would the Obama camp, obviously).

madmonkphotog on June 8, 2008 at 5:22 PM

(3) A third party candidate, if he or she can get on the stage (doubtful) may have as much influence as a Perot did in 1992
SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Unless a third party candidate has as much money and as many years of positive media name recognition as Perot did there isn’t a chance. If the media pushes Barr it damages Obama worse than McCain.

Beto Ochoa on June 8, 2008 at 5:30 PM

Wouldn’t it be ironic that the liberal press – having angered the Clinton supporters so much by their fawning over Obama – gets McCain elected because Hillary’s supporters either stay home or switch parties?

OTOH, McCain – having won by the strenght of those votes – may have to reward them with something. Hillary to SCOTUS?

Bill?

Pyrrhic victory for us indeed.

SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM

I’m not a big Rush fan, but he was right when he said that “the media is desirous of seeing a Black quarterback do well”. BO is the Democrat party’s QB.

jgapinoy on June 8, 2008 at 4:11 PM

+1
I was thinking the exact same thing a couple of days ago.

Missy on June 8, 2008 at 5:34 PM

I blame the Jew Joe Leiberman (as would the Obama camp, obviously).

madmonkphotog on June 8, 2008 at 5:22 PM

as compared to the Catholic Joe Leiberman?

Wade on June 8, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Unless a third party candidate has as much money and as many years of positive media name recognition as Perot did there isn’t a chance.

Well, if the third party candidate can break through the media monopoly and with the discontent among both party’s constituencies (the Hillary voters and the anti-McCain voters) I can squint real hard and see a third party candidate getting 8% or so of the vote.

Only, real real hard squinting.

In any event, I don’t think we can just assume that the party faithful will blindly go to the polls for their party’s candidate this election.

SteveMG on June 8, 2008 at 5:41 PM

What media bias? After all, we have NBC (National Barack Channel), ABC (All Barack Channel), and CBS (Coveted Barack Station). Other than PMSNBC, CNN and Fox have been trying to balance, though Fox is still leading the fair and balanced angle while CNN is leaning more toward B.O. than anything else.

But media bias?

Only when Darth Soros tells them to be bias.

pilamaye on June 8, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Entelechy at 4:30 PM-

Obama’s skating career will rival Tanya Harding’s.

He kneecapped Hillary, but will only win tin.

profitsbeard on June 8, 2008 at 5:43 PM

Propaganda advertising only works to a point, it goes a very long way, but a point is reached when finally the eyes are opened.

There is no reason to allow the DNC/MSM to dictate the phraseology that conservatives must combat.

The MSM has defined the Iraq War as “unpopular”.
The GOP defines the Iraq War as “SUCCESSFUL”.

The DNC claimed the GOP was the “party of corruption”.
The MSM claims that the GOP label is ruined.
It is the DNC label that smears everyone it touches.

The GOP defines itself as the party of integrity and low taxes, bursting the false label bubbles blown up by the DNC. Democrats play the most obnoxiously corrupt party tricks. It is time to repeatedly Name names, deeds, and cover-ups beginning with Teddy Kennedy, passing through the list through the New Orleans icebox money bribed politicians, Whitewater Clinton DEALS, whores on governors, Obama DEALS, etc.

CLEAR Tom DeLay once and for all from the false “money laundering” charges that Travis County Democrat DA Ronnie Earle (retired without taking to court, UNABLE to make charges stick to non-existing law) forced through malfeasance down the throats of multiple Grand Juries before FINALLY by tampering with the case and the judicial process, finally getting the decision that he demanded from them. CLEAR THE RECORD! Whomever makes false or enhanced charges against a decent GOP politician, turn the tables against the false accuser and expose every nasty detail of the accuser’s life. No need to cover for a criminal, just as there is no need to roll over and throw a good politician under the bus on the DNC cue.

CLEAR the Haditha military members with FORMAL APOLOGY from their President and Commander in Chief.

Make our own news and quit waiting for the MSM to sing GOP praises.

maverick muse on June 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Interesting, but I’d like to see a breakdown of what voters watch. If you watch Fox or MSNCB, you’ll probably have a different take on which way the media leans.

VolMagic on June 8, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Rasumssen’s story does mention at the end that most CNN voters went for Kerry in 2004, most Fox News viewers for Bush.

Hey bayam, can you link to those Pew Polls that claim Bush got better treatment than Gore?

Del Dolemonte on June 8, 2008 at 5:49 PM

maverick muse at 5:47 PM-

+1.

profitsbeard on June 8, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Exit question: It’s too much to expect most of her supporters to either stay home or vote McCain in the fall, but is it too much to expect them to be more sensitive to the media’s Obama shilling going forward?

Well, they’re hopping mad right now, and from what I’ve seen, many swear to either vote for McCain or Nader, or even Barr. Quite a few say they’ve re-registered as Indies, and most are encouraged by Hillary’s having “suspended” her campaign (hoping the Messiah will implode by August and she can step in).

And yes, I’ve been lurking at the least offensive Hillary blogs, including the PUMA Pac, which wants her to run as an Independent, but I don’t think that will take off.

It’s hard to gauge the numbers, but it looks like there’s a quite a few Hillary supporters disillusioned and angry with both the DNC and the media.

That could change in five months to be sure, but to say this a bizarre election cycle is an understatement.

Nichevo on June 8, 2008 at 5:55 PM

With this must distrust, why should we believe in the Obama hype? It is obviously all media hype. Yellow journalism at its best. Hurst should have lived in today’s world. He’d have a real, authentic castle from the billions of dollars he would be worth today.

Weebork on June 8, 2008 at 5:56 PM

argh

must = much

Weebork on June 8, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Weebork on June 8, 2008 at 5:56 PM

The reason I don’t believe it is hype is because of the rallies he had in Texas (homestate). Texans generally consider three people a crowd. Barry was packing stadiums here (and not just one or two).

Limerick on June 8, 2008 at 6:03 PM

pravda

TheSitRep on June 8, 2008 at 6:03 PM

The MSM has defined the Iraq War as “unpopular”.
The GOP defines the Iraq War as “SUCCESSFUL”….
maverick muse on June 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Our military and their republican supporters have made this the most amazingly successful war since WWII. What the MSM and their democratic supporters have done in setting about to destroy this effort and the economy is the most successful propaganda campaign since WWII.

Beto Ochoa on June 8, 2008 at 6:05 PM

profitsbeard, may your political nostrils keep sniffing, the right stuff.

Entelechy on June 8, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Obviously, you right wing nut jobs are still in disbelief. Obama is the Messiah! There will be no second coming. I left the church I’ve been worshiping with for the past 20 years and am now worshiping Obama, The Messiah! Allah and Jesus is out. There is but one Obama, The Messiah! I have faith he will restore my hair so I may be able to wash his feet with my new hair.

PrettyD_Vicious on June 8, 2008 at 6:06 PM

The left is holding a “Media” get together right now. They hate the MSM because it is a corporation and they want Government funded Media because the “Free Market” wont support the looney left so they want their baised media payed for by tax payers.

William Amos on June 8, 2008 at 6:12 PM

I kind of liked it when the media was in the tank for America.

Connie on June 8, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Did anyone see the biography on B. Hussein Obama that was aired during this past week on MSNBC? That was really slick. They’ve been practicing a long time for this.

DfDeportation on June 8, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Yep. For about 40 years now. Comrade Obambi is the culmination of more than 40 years of socialist infestation of every level of American society and culture. He is the fruit of those efforts. We’ll see in November if America rejects or embraces him. It could very well set the future direction of America, either way it goes.

I’m pulling for rejection myself.

techno_barbarian on June 8, 2008 at 6:16 PM

Obama has the Propaganda that we can believe in!

Or

Obama the spin that we can believe in.

Chakra Hammer on June 8, 2008 at 6:17 PM

they want their baised media payed for by tax payers.

William Amos on June 8, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Heard of NPR? Socialist propaganda paid for with yuor tax dollars.

VolMagic on June 8, 2008 at 6:17 PM

American is a down right mean country, we are a country of cynics and sloths.. we are teh sucks, we cling to guns, religion and have antipathy for people who aren’t just like us..

Chakra Hammer on June 8, 2008 at 6:19 PM

>:D

Chakra Hammer on June 8, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Heard of NPR? Socialist propaganda paid for with yuor tax dollars.

VolMagic on June 8, 2008 at 6:17 PM

That is the point they want to “Super size” the NPR to turn it into the American version of the BBC.

Because the “American People” need a journalistic watchdog to keep track of those issues they care about.

They want socalized Media as well as everything else.

William Amos on June 8, 2008 at 6:25 PM

As per Hillary supporters swearing they’ll never vote for Obama, take it all with a grain of salt.

Specifically because of the federal Clinton murdering the Branch Davidians rather than peacably bringing them to court through a patient siege (the same folks who won’t allow murderers to suffer the death penalty don’t blink an eye when a religious zealot gets burnt at the stake before trial), I swore I’d NEVER vote for Hillary. But I did participate in Operation Chaos when my man Fred Thompson dropped from the race. I’m still undecided exactly how to handle the manipulation that exists for the general election.

Some kids bitch and moan that the GOP isn’t pure enough, as though starting from scratch at this point in time is the only solution. I’m not sure I’ve ever been quite there doing that. But I have lived long enough to have experienced disillusionment. Yet in the process do not lose sight of the important goal in life. Be decent. When all hell breaks loose, protect what is decent and be both strong and wise.

1. Right now the Constitution needs to be reaffirmed “as is” and fortified against revisionists in order to protect me and my children and those in the future. The Constitution should not be altered.

2. Secure Borders and refuse amnesty to illegal aliens. Require legal entry and legal processing through legal channels for all residents. Deny illegal aliens employment, housing, and all benefits including citizenship to illegal parents’ babies born in USA territory.

3. Drill, pump and refine oil in the USA and in our coastal waters, particularly off Florida where China is absconding with our reserves. Create jobs and our own energy constructing nuclear power plants as well.

4. Refuse to bail-out any business. Eliminate all subsidies to agriculture. Eliminate the welfare system, transformed into a work program training teacher aids and social worker aids and retirement community worker aids. Require government employee responsibilities to fulfill job description with all due process. Fall behind work load or commit errors and payscale is deducted by aligned percentage. Utilize computers and online government sights to thoroughly answer any question, particularly of the IRS or Immigration, and efficiently process forms and applications.

maverick muse on June 8, 2008 at 6:31 PM

I almost lost a new HDTV over that one.

Limerick on June 8, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Dallas media (all forms, save AM talk radio) are completely in the tank for the dems. To an activist level.

I still cannot believe the results of the last elections. Every. Single. Seat. Went to the dems. Dallas has become North Austin these days.

Didn’t used to be so. Thank God I live in Fort Worth! ;o)

techno_barbarian on June 8, 2008 at 6:32 PM

this WORD site sucks comments into oblivion before they hit the screen–another one went the way of invisibility just then from my keyboard into nowhere–I’ve noted others also experience that “lost” bit on occasion.

Tough toenails.

maverick muse on June 8, 2008 at 6:36 PM

The reason I don’t believe it is hype is because of the rallies he had in Texas (homestate). Texans generally consider three people a crowd. Barry was packing stadiums here (and not just one or two).

Limerick on June 8, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Yep. People were taking off work in huge masses just to be ‘part of history’.

That was when Obambi was the new Robert Kennedy. The luster has come off a bit since then, though.

techno_barbarian on June 8, 2008 at 6:40 PM

There is but one Obama, The Messiah! I have faith he will restore my hair so I may be able to wash his feet with my new hair.

PrettyD_Vicious on June 8, 2008 at 6:06 PM

There is but one Obamessaiah, and the msm is his messenger.

Porkrinds Be Upon Them

techno_barbarian on June 8, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Our military and their republican supporters have made this the most amazingly successful war since WWII. What the MSM and their democratic supporters have done in setting about to destroy this effort and the economy is the most successful propaganda campaign since WWII.

Beto Ochoa on June 8, 2008 at 6:05 PM

THAT is both thorough and succinct. Bravo.
The GOP label is built proudly and successfully in the USA.

The DNC label is fabricated of poison with slave labor: Werk macht frei! translated into Chinese so the weak minded ugly Americans pretend not to see the score of bribes and espionage. That the DNC political ties are so heavily anchored in FARC, al-Quaeda and the Taliban must be shown again and again every day, reiterating substantiated facts that the MSM ignore or deny in hopes that the truth will die, disappear or simply go away.

maverick muse on June 8, 2008 at 6:46 PM

The left is holding a “Media” get together right now. They hate the MSM because it is a corporation and they want Government funded Media because the “Free Market” wont support the looney left so they want their baised media payed for by tax payers.

William Amos on June 8, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Have you see what passes for channel choices on Dish Network? The goracle owns a couple of pure leftist propaganda channels. Most of the Discovery and HD channels, including the Weather Channel are selling ‘green’ like 1999 internet IPOs. It’s disgusting.

I still think most people have abandoned the msm in favor of video games and the internet. And when broadband finally becomes ubiquitous, the old msm is going to die off and things will be a lot closer to that old show Max Headroom.

techno_barbarian on June 8, 2008 at 6:46 PM

We’ve an “Independent” talk show host here in Boston, Jay Severin, that has said that people gravitate to the media that matches their beliefs more than the media influences their beliefs.

I think he’s right. And if so, the poll could just mean, “I believe the media is biased except for the media I read/listen/watch.”

As a conservative, I say Thank God for mass media that leans right. It didn’t exist too long ago. When Cronkite said the war was lost, there was no none there to say otherwise.

Rod on June 8, 2008 at 6:51 PM

as compared to the Catholic Joe Leiberman?

Wade on June 8, 2008 at 5:36 PM

You should the the story about the Obama blog to understand my statement.

madmonkphotog on June 8, 2008 at 7:06 PM

techno_barbarian on June 8, 2008 at 6:32 PM

CowTown? Mid-cities here (HEB).

Limerick on June 8, 2008 at 7:12 PM

Some typologic references for some characteristic traits of Sen Obama. The first one is called the “Teacher” by the author Keirsey. The other one uses the field’s terminology, ENFJ, which you don’t need to figure out. Both sites exemplify this personality type is very charismatic, especially one-on-one. Both explanations tell me why he is so good at rallies, and why he is not so good during debates or interviews. This personality type is not good with specifics.

Anyway, read if you are interested. I link them because they help explain why Obama’s popularity seems to be such a phenomenon. An additional note, the typelogic website has a list of people they believe fit the personality type. I don’t necessarily agree with them.

Weebork on June 8, 2008 at 7:13 PM

I would look for Fox’s ratings to spike even more. They treated Hillary with at least some appearance of objectivity among the Democrat candidates.

Besides, Murdoch was a Hillary campaign donor.

crosspatch on June 8, 2008 at 7:17 PM

“….but I keep thinking back to Jeralyn Merritt of TalkLeft calling Olbermann “the most shameless ridiculous hack on TV.”

That’s the nicest thing I ever heard anyone say about Olby.

fogw on June 8, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Limerick on June 8, 2008 at 6:03 PM

You make a good point about his popularity at rallies. I don’t know how far those supporters will go when it comes time to election day, especially the youth. They are traditionally very fickle. As long as Obama stays in these generalized speeches, where he is a blank slate and says nothing, while the audience projects their own hopes and ideals, he will do very well. But if he has to get into situations where he must be specific and answer direct questions, he will do poorly. When he’s away from scripted speeches and telepromters, he flounders.

Still, despite his popularity at rallies, the media still do whatever they can to ensure an Obama victory. That’s what I was saying, the media hype him up a great deal. So much have they done this that many americans are aware of it, which is reflected in the Rassmussen poll.

Anyway, now that the nominees have been picked, let the great general election cycle media orgy-fest begin!

Weebork on June 8, 2008 at 7:22 PM

BTW o/t but would like some input on a couple of Online polls I have up

Which of these ideas would best advance an online conservative agenda ?

and

What is the best hope for the GOP in 2008 ?

William Amos on June 8, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Done and done, Bill.

Limerick on June 8, 2008 at 7:59 PM

You all need to link the Rasmussen poll into an email to your favorite biased/leftist political coverage MSM reporter.

I shoved it up Michael Tackett’s a$$ from the Chicago Tribune this morning. I happen to know ;) that he reads his email, as most of these prima donas do.

Jaibones on June 8, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Jaibones on June 8, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Isn’t being biased for the left considered a badge of honor by the MSM?

fogw on June 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM

MSM?

Try this little experiment………….

First. Set your wake up radio to one AM or FM station, and pay close attention to the “news” talking of the day….

Second. During your drive to work, listen to another AM or FM station and see if not only the same talking points or even the exact words are repeated in their “news” beginning the day….

Third. If you can, listen to another AM or FM station “on-line” during your work day and also check out Drudge to see what is being pushed as “news” of the day……..

Finally, if you can stomach it, when you get home in the evening, see how the “news” or talking points of the morning have been digested into the American psyche of the day as “fact” and see if you can uncover the real story doing your own research on-line…..

Now, multiply this by the number of teachers, union leaders, politicians, magazines, news papers, Hollywood writers and producers, late night comics, and the George Soros’ of the world, that push this tripe on us on a daily basis……..

Then maybe you will see the extent of the problem.

Gog Bless the Internet, why we still have it………

Seven Percent Solution on June 8, 2008 at 9:05 PM

No one trusts the media’s election coverage anymore

You mean people are losing faith in the bought-and-paid for corporate media?

Shocking.

RMC1618 on June 8, 2008 at 10:12 PM

CowTown? Mid-cities here (HEB).

Limerick on June 8, 2008 at 7:12 PM

Probably 10 minutes or so from you. North Cowtown, Keller-ish. ;o)

Like to shake your hand and buy you a beer sometime.

techno_barbarian on June 8, 2008 at 11:05 PM

While I was reading this story, I got a tingle running up my leg.

Mallard T. Drake on June 8, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Isn’t being biased for the left considered a badge of honor by the MSM?

fogw on June 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Maybe in some quarters, but I think that there is still a strong contingent in the newspapers who seriously think that they play it straight, as unbelieveable as that may sound.

Tackett does. He’s a full-blown lib-douche DNC payroller, but he seriously thinks that his reporting is unbiased.

Jaibones on June 9, 2008 at 12:13 AM

maverick muse on June 8, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Wouldn’t that be great!? Pity it will never happen without another Tea Party.

OldEnglish on June 9, 2008 at 8:04 AM

We should be paying attention to another Rasmussen poll, that shows Obama leading McCain 48-40 nationally, now that Obama has won the Dem nomination. Prior to that, McCain was slightly ahead.

This might be a post-nomination bounce, but something has to be done to take down Obama. He can’t be allowed to skate into the White House unscathed, and force socialism down our throats.

Steve Z on June 9, 2008 at 2:25 PM